Can’t wait to move mine & test it , I didn’t find it made much if any difference fitted behind the headlight my bike splutters & jerks horribly but I have to ride a lot slower in heavy traffic, it does make sense really as connected to the ambient air sensor shouldn’t affect running of the bike , the air intake sensor is a much better position, I’d love to get an expert opinion, BHPUK are the experts 🤔
@@hypermotardking i wonder if there's an ambient temperature difference between people thats causing different results... ie. it's doing something for you in cooler weather.. but may not for someone living in a hotter area cause it doesnt get the temp below a certain point or something like that i've been watching the discussions on the forum... some very interesting comments... lol
Interesting, I fitted mine the same as "Hypermotardking" behind head light, in fact mine came without fitting instructions so I copied location via this video thread, so far only comment is, at times mine has indicated -18 on cluster the bike did not start very well at all?....I have used similar products on lots of KTM, Huskies etc and they did improve slow speed work on and off road with out a doubt the bike rides better in slow situations. My question is has "Shift-Tech" commented on fitting location either behind headlight or under seat [as I had no fitting instructions] I'm sure this dongle can help like the ones for KTM etc but I think it needs to be clarified as to location of fitting etc. Great content keep it up and we will all keep contributing with our own feelings/findings.
@@hypermotardking Ah, no email for me???....or I missed it🤷♂....ok so I will swap location, shit weather, salt on roads so I may find out if it works in June😁
Wtf, just opened email got one from shift tech arrived last night telling me to move the sensor, now i'm paranoid looking over my shoulder for secret camera in my lounge
EVAC? Do you mean evap nonsense or more probably the secondary air system (SAS)? I’ve been thinking to start messing with the SAS. Was gonna start by simply clamping off the supply hose and see if it codes out and drops into limp mode, or if the header glow is reduced and fueling is improved. I do worry that they seem to have two pressure sensors in the SAS circuit, perhaps as an Euro 5 anti-defeat countermeasure, so the ECU might get pissy if it sees a differential pressure that it doesn't like.
Also, your bike still seems to exhibit a lot of decel popping, which could suggest the SAS is pushing air into the exhaust manifold. If we can get the ridiculously lean AFR under control at idle, then I think the problem is done.
I've just come across this video and admit that i haven't watched part 1. But from what i can gather, you've purchased a dongle, which helps improve the fuelling of your bike and you don't understand why it does. Here's my theory, for what it's worth. It seems that the dongle is fooling the sensor, into believing that the air temp is cooler, than what it actually is. Colder air is denser than warmer air, which means that the AFR would be weaker, if that was the case. Therefore, to compensate for the seemingly leaner mixture, then ECU will add fuel, to richen the mixture up. The added fuel will make your bike more responsive and run better, as a consequence.
@@teej710 Thanks for watching and the explanation. In part 1 was the confusion on “how” it’s doing it when the sensor was plugged somewhere else - and not the air intake sensor
Do i need this if i just run an open air box with stock filter>?? Or will i be ok if I ONLY run open air box with stock filter. I’m worried its too lean then
@@GlassfilmWeddings anyone can run this regardless of their airbox setup. Remember it’s only in the closed loop, low rpm, slow speed. After 5/6k it’s open loop full throttle which is fueling good
I suspect the open airbox lid & Sprint filter makes the bike run even leaner. Uncorking a KTM 500 air intake and/or exhaust canister, for example, requires ECU replacement or reprogramming.
Weird that there's still no proof of what this dongle does. Not saying it's a scam as mine is currently in the mail. But someone should do some dyno runs with and without the dongle and show the AFR changes.
@@elgrunto1428 Dyno runs are usually open loop full throttle. I guess someone could in theory do 20% throttle and 30% throttle pulls but that’s another video
Every time I watch one of your videos, it makes me want to buy a 698...
@@MotoPapa88 add one to the collection / they great fun little bikes
@@hypermotardking I'm in the middle of converting my R1300GS into a supermoto lol
@ look at the remap/flash BHPUK have done on the R1300
@@hypermotardking The Bren Tuning Stage 1 is arriving on Friday. Can't wait to upload it.
Can’t wait to move mine & test it , I didn’t find it made much if any difference fitted behind the headlight my bike splutters & jerks horribly but I have to ride a lot slower in heavy traffic, it does make sense really as connected to the ambient air sensor shouldn’t affect running of the bike , the air intake sensor is a much better position, I’d love to get an expert opinion, BHPUK are the experts 🤔
@@vrooster69 The front did make a difference for me.. not massive just a small change in low rpm. This new position is much better 👍🏻
@@hypermotardking i wonder if there's an ambient temperature difference between people thats causing different results...
ie. it's doing something for you in cooler weather.. but may not for someone living in a hotter area cause it doesnt get the temp below a certain point or something like that
i've been watching the discussions on the forum... some very interesting comments... lol
@@maddan_78 there is bound to be some of that effect.. hence the testing and posting results is helping everyone 👍🏻
Interesting, I fitted mine the same as "Hypermotardking" behind head light, in fact mine came without fitting instructions so I copied location via this video thread, so far only comment is, at times mine has indicated -18 on cluster the bike did not start very well at all?....I have used similar products on lots of KTM, Huskies etc and they did improve slow speed work on and off road with out a doubt the bike rides better in slow situations. My question is has "Shift-Tech" commented on fitting location either behind headlight or under seat [as I had no fitting instructions] I'm sure this dongle can help like the ones for KTM etc but I think it needs to be clarified as to location of fitting etc. Great content keep it up and we will all keep contributing with our own feelings/findings.
@@rtbmartin8380 Shift-tech has reached out to customers via email (check junk) to switch to this new position 👍🏻👍🏻
@@hypermotardking Ah, no email for me???....or I missed it🤷♂....ok so I will swap location, shit weather, salt on roads so I may find out if it works in June😁
@ I’m still getting out / just have to wash it more often 😭
Wtf, just opened email got one from shift tech arrived last night telling me to move the sensor, now i'm paranoid looking over my shoulder for secret camera in my lounge
@ 😂😂😂
EVAC? Do you mean evap nonsense or more probably the secondary air system (SAS)? I’ve been thinking to start messing with the SAS. Was gonna start by simply clamping off the supply hose and see if it codes out and drops into limp mode, or if the header glow is reduced and fueling is improved.
I do worry that they seem to have two pressure sensors in the SAS circuit, perhaps as an Euro 5 anti-defeat countermeasure, so the ECU might get pissy if it sees a differential pressure that it doesn't like.
Also, your bike still seems to exhibit a lot of decel popping, which could suggest the SAS is pushing air into the exhaust manifold.
If we can get the ridiculously lean AFR under control at idle, then I think the problem is done.
@@xeeded evap yes not SAS.. I know the SAS still sends air post ignition into the exhaust which I don’t mind the pops n bangs
I've just come across this video and admit that i haven't watched part 1. But from what i can gather, you've purchased a dongle, which helps improve the fuelling of your bike and you don't understand why it does. Here's my theory, for what it's worth. It seems that the dongle is fooling the sensor, into believing that the air temp is cooler, than what it actually is. Colder air is denser than warmer air, which means that the AFR would be weaker, if that was the case. Therefore, to compensate for the seemingly leaner mixture, then ECU will add fuel, to richen the mixture up. The added fuel will make your bike more responsive and run better, as a consequence.
@@teej710 Thanks for watching and the explanation. In part 1 was the confusion on “how” it’s doing it when the sensor was plugged somewhere else - and not the air intake sensor
Do i need this if i just run an open air box with stock filter>?? Or will i be ok if I ONLY run open air box with stock filter. I’m worried its too lean then
@@GlassfilmWeddings anyone can run this regardless of their airbox setup.
Remember it’s only in the closed loop, low rpm, slow speed. After 5/6k it’s open loop full throttle which is fueling good
I suspect the open airbox lid & Sprint filter makes the bike run even leaner. Uncorking a KTM 500 air intake and/or exhaust canister, for example, requires ECU replacement or reprogramming.
@ only low down rpm < 5K it’s lean
Weird that there's still no proof of what this dongle does. Not saying it's a scam as mine is currently in the mail. But someone should do some dyno runs with and without the dongle and show the AFR changes.
@@elgrunto1428 Dyno runs are usually open loop full throttle.
I guess someone could in theory do 20% throttle and 30% throttle pulls but that’s another video