How to EXPLOIT GTO Players❌ A F*** GTO Masterclass

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @CharlieCarrel
    @CharlieCarrel  Год назад +1

    📈 Master Exploitative Poker | ► www.epiphanypoker.com
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    • @wiseone1013
      @wiseone1013 Год назад

      Good day Charlie, thank you for uploading, namaste.

    • @Nikita-wt1bu
      @Nikita-wt1bu Год назад

      Hi charlie, I'm one of that true GTO nerds (not that sucks gto newbie who u mentioned in video). And the funniest thing is u kinda using "solver logic' in ur game and ur analyze of this hand. The only thing u do is u manually 'nodelock' in ur brain. And u exploiting wrong patterns of solvers in mind of gto-noobies, and also, emotional inability of thinking clear to big\small sizes of population. Which is also kinda node-locking in solver.

    • @checkthenutz
      @checkthenutz Год назад

      Never. Ever. Show your teeth. What are you, a cowering chimp? Close the food pipe.

    • @llionstephen8224
      @llionstephen8224 7 месяцев назад

      Hey man, I'm wondering if you could give me 30 minutes of your time via skype?

  • @GG22LL-f7m
    @GG22LL-f7m Год назад +22

    How do we play the nuts by Charlie Carrell. Insightful

  • @On3Thought
    @On3Thought Год назад +18

    Can you exploit Linus Loeliger? 😂

  • @Hildreth1101
    @Hildreth1101 Год назад +9

    I agree with the general principle of this hand, that is if you got a value hand try to make as much EV as possible and I learned some stuff for sure.
    My disagreement OTT is if you apply this strategy as an unknown, Regs (who actually understand theory and don't spend 90% of their time working out the highest EV blockers) are going to overfold the Turn massively Vs 150% turn bet on this board even with 2pair combos and you're mainly only going to get called by Combo draws and straights and sets/top2pair. 95s shouldn't really shove as you cannot improve to the Nuts and you're vs a line that represents the Nuts, Regs who are good would understand that in deep stacked pots that big XR, overbet OTT on a board like this, you're vs a line repping the Nuts or 2nd nuts at the worst for value, so if you shove Turn with 95s you got 0 equity vs large part of the value range and you chop with the other part of it, so you don't generate EV vs Value hands, only lose it, you only make EV vs Bluffs which you'd generate more by calling, so you're making a massive punt to shove the Turn. If GTO players actually play like this they're just not studying hard enough mate 😅
    I think Low stakes players will make this error, but if you grind 6max cash online for a living at a decent stake you're not going to punt your stack off with 95s. And also you're going to fold weaker 2pairs OTT that have 8% equity vs Value or are are vs combo draws (or you'll call them OTT with implied odds and fold to 25% OTR). So therefore the best line is to shove for value OTR as SB unless....
    You have Charlie's image and you're a known Redline warrior who runs insane bluffs. Then I think a GTO orientated player is going to over adjust to overcall bluff catchers and this is going to work insanely well and it is no wonder Charlie has made a career playing like this. Most Poker players have spots where they have 0 bluffs or far less bluffs than they need to make a bluff catcher not be a massive punt call and still get bluff catched anyway.
    Though I think it also exploits a weakness of a lot of GTO orientated players that Charlie isn't going to share but we both know, is they understudy complex and rare lines which is why Charlie plays so many complex and rare lines. A solid GTO orientated player is going to play the very common nodes very well and that is where they will generate EV, but 876fd SBvsBB, 200bb deep vs XR-B150, few players are really massively familar with that line, the only thing they can do is try to understand concepts from theory and try to apply them across the board, that is what I do which is you face a large XR and 150% on a Turn where you have a Zillion straights and can have the Nuts they are probably underbluffing and their value range is probably T9, since I don't really know the spot at all. But if you misapply the concept, it results in exploitable strategies like.... like making -180bb calls with a bluff catcher vs a line with 0% bluffs and then not recouping any EV Villain might lose by attacking lines/spots by bluffing more/calling more where he is never balancing the Nuts or using different sizings when he is bluffing because you don't know his strategy.
    GTO copy the Solver as an obsession is very 2016-2019 era Poker at least for winning players.

    • @Nikita-wt1bu
      @Nikita-wt1bu Год назад

      Good point bro, same ideas, luck of english skills :D. Basically humnas learning everything and GTO in this case by generalizations, and pattern recognition, and generalization and pattern recognition is pretty bad in rare or extrime spots. Which is exploiting Charlie, especially with his image.

  • @rasowykot8685
    @rasowykot8685 Год назад +3

    However, a GTO nerd doesn't have as many combos as you suggested, but rather significantly less, with fewer than 30 , That leads to the conclusion that the maximum expected value (EV) can be achieved by overbetting on the turn and pushing on the river , In this situation, pushing on the river would be the optimal play.

  • @superpasi7315
    @superpasi7315 Год назад +9

    If you can exploit GTO players why can’t you beat NL500 😂

  • @andrewbisanz4305
    @andrewbisanz4305 Год назад +13

    “We won’t be talking about range analysis. We will be talking about range analysis”. 😂😂

    • @wVLADw
      @wVLADw 7 месяцев назад

      Folgui vibes

  • @N0N5T0P
    @N0N5T0P Год назад +4

    He definitely has more than 7 combos of 5x. You're forgetting about 85, 75, 65. Sure, maybe some of these fold the offsuit version preflop (you didn't specify the raise size), and some of these check back flop. But if there's another 7 combos of these that you're forgetting, then the answer switches to a shove.

    • @CharlieCarrel
      @CharlieCarrel  Год назад

      The hands you mention rarely bet flop and won't call the x/r, so you're wrong on that.
      I did forget 45 though, so there probably will be more combos of 5x ♥️

    • @N0N5T0P
      @N0N5T0P Год назад

      ​@@CharlieCarrel My thinking is that 85 probably bet the flop nearly always, but it probably only exists as a suited variant. 75 probably bets less often, but perhaps still half the time or more, and there may be offsuit combos of this too (depending on the raise size). 65 probably mainly checks the flop, but occasionally bets, and this hand almost certainly has the offsuit version.
      I just don't see people folding these hands to the raise after having bet. Especially 85, but really it doesn't make that much of a difference if you hold 85 or 75 or 65. These hands are all stronger than for example J8, which people probably find folds with.
      And we both forgot 45 😅

    • @CharlieCarrel
      @CharlieCarrel  Год назад

      @nonstop The raise was huge. All the 85 75 etc hands will fold to that size :)

    • @N0N5T0P
      @N0N5T0P Год назад +1

      @@CharlieCarrel I disagree, but If you think so, wouldn't that be a good argument to going for a smaller flop raise size? It's pretty great to keep such hands in, as they can improve to hands that we get a lot of value from.

  • @Ben-ts7ut
    @Ben-ts7ut Год назад

    that river calculation was pretty mindblowing. I 100% would've shoved and never second guessed it

  • @behappyPortugal
    @behappyPortugal Год назад +2

    Will love see you batling the big mtts

  • @danielgoddard2246
    @danielgoddard2246 Год назад +28

    I hope people don't actually think game theory is exploitable.

    • @_MMWWMM_
      @_MMWWMM_ Год назад +11

      It all stems from a misunderstanding of what GTO actually is and how it works. All this 'GTO Vs exploit poker' is so silly, theyre 2 sides of the same coin.

    • @noThankyou-g5c
      @noThankyou-g5c Год назад +14

      I don’t think anybody expects to exploit a solver. Humans that study solvers on the other hand are definitely exploitable and u less you’re playing the top 50-100 players in the world they are constantly misapplying gto concepts.
      In general it’s true that the concept of gto vs exploitative is a false dichotomy

    • @AC-wl7ve
      @AC-wl7ve Год назад

      This seems pretty flawed. When I get check raised on the flop I’m thinking 9T right away. No way I’m continuing with a 5

    • @davidnoonan1292
      @davidnoonan1292 Год назад

      He's talking about the average gto player

    • @MCFoultier
      @MCFoultier Год назад

      ​@@davidnoonan1292 he's a idiot, as Kevin Durant would say

  • @TheNadohs
    @TheNadohs Год назад +1

    As we were going I would have gone for the check-raise flop and bet turn for roughly the sizes you did. However, I definitely would have shoved river before you started breaking down the 2 pair combos.
    Would a theory oriented played ever try and bluff jam over the small river bet? Maybe with some 9d7d or 9d8d type hand whose straight and backdoor draws busted but whose pair is obviously worthless.

    • @owaridagaming8295
      @owaridagaming8295 Год назад

      I'm using a lot of river blocking bets and I'm a regular player. My experience : yep, some theory oriented players will shove over the 45bb bet river with bluffs, as they do it with their nuts too (as long as Charlie is not doing smthng like using this sizing only with his nuts obv). Also they can do it to try to exploit you, as your perceived range might look weakish. Regs at my limit can do things like raising a fake blocking bet river with air/weak pair that got blockers on nuts. (Donking turns versus them on some board structures got the same effect or can bring a ton of fold equity as weird and unnatural it can feel doing it).
      Also I don't play as deep as 200bb but in villain' shoes I think I'd still have some 97o/98o calling turn and also 98cc or 98ss. If so I'd use these combos without a heart nor a diamond, to unblock Charlie's missed FD. So basically 9s7c or 9c8c.

  • @pokerstudy6862
    @pokerstudy6862 Год назад

    so you say their ranges are unelastic and then you proceed assuming they call different ranges vs different sizings? :) so which one is it?
    I like the video its well explained, I am pretty sure my assumptions about what hands people can have and what sizes they would call are often incorrect and its really hard to learn to guess better in a high variance environment.

  • @joas162
    @joas162 7 месяцев назад

    This video taught me how to get angry at my opponents, very helpful

  • @shuakhwe
    @shuakhwe Год назад

    OK but what's a backlog?

  • @nbkien94
    @nbkien94 Год назад

    this is happening in the microstakes, I've just catched some b33-b2x value bluffs

  • @euan-e4f
    @euan-e4f Год назад

    this seems like a great exercise going to make the combo counting you did at the end a habit 🎉

  • @_Chris_D_3004
    @_Chris_D_3004 Год назад +1

    Everytime I hear a gto player say "blocker" I swear I just start laughing. Easily the most idiotic aspect of today's poker. Especially a suit "blocker". "Ok I have the K of spades so I block a slade flush" WTF

  • @danbreilin9169
    @danbreilin9169 18 дней назад

    Bet more on the turn and you have an easy all in on the river. You're making a big assumption that 2 pair and sets always fold for a specific price... what does the solver do?

  • @safepoker-im2yw
    @safepoker-im2yw Год назад +1

    I like X/r flop then X/r turn 😅

  • @soren8994
    @soren8994 Год назад +11

    A Man who says he never looked at a Solver, suddenly knows how to exploit a GTO Player LMAO😂😂

    • @CharlieCarrel
      @CharlieCarrel  Год назад +6

      Made millions doing it, yeah. What are your achievements in poker? 😁

    • @soren8994
      @soren8994 Год назад +10

      @@CharlieCarrel my Argument has nothing to do with Money, but with your knowlege about Solvers and GTO! When you dont know GTO how do you exploit that? But no argument is also an argument🤣🤣🤣 i for me it's totally irrelevant how much Money you won, i don't care man!

    • @tjebbedonckers
      @tjebbedonckers Год назад +4

      @@soren8994 He's just exploiting people who're trying too hard to play a "GTO style".
      Nobody in these pools comes even close to actual GTO play.

    • @soren8994
      @soren8994 Год назад +1

      @@tjebbedonckers Yeah and that is excatly my point! But why than not say that? But instead he talks total Nonsens about GTO and Solvers! And saying he is exploiting GTO players so a logical fail as itself

    • @jimmyballs5662
      @jimmyballs5662 Год назад +2

      @@soren8994 you sound so silly when you’re saying you can’t exploit GTO players. As though they’re some sort of poker perfect robots lmao, if you deviate your range and never have bluffs in spots they’re always calling. Of course you’re exploiting them

  • @MrJam-jr9kv
    @MrJam-jr9kv Год назад

    love this content focusing on exploits and no solvers just shows you , you dont need them

  • @tiltud
    @tiltud Год назад +1

    Personally I play flop the same, pot+ on turn and shove river. In my experience at least at 50 & 100NL 2 pair will always call turn because of dreams of a boat so you get near same amount of value there even if they fold river. Sets & 5X are giving you their stack. An added benefit is that bigger sizing "looks like flush draw" on the double flush draw turn so some villains will spaz and shove out of fear.

  • @ltsjack
    @ltsjack Год назад

    You're counting 65, 54 as 2 combos at the end when he should have 12 combos of 54 since he's most likely got 54o full frequency pre. So it's more like 2414 from shove and 2250 from 45BB.
    I'm more curious however how you reason about the rest of his range that aren't "snap" calls. For example your GTO nerd is occasionally going to look down at K9dd, 99, 98, 97dd and say you only have T9 for value here so that's a pretty juicy call. Where as he might even fold those hands pure if you go 45BB because now he thinks you're repping a 5 and his blockers are shit. Think this kind of deviation can very easily backfire.

  • @mattiusblue
    @mattiusblue Год назад

    why did you shut this opportunity down?

  • @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1
    @GokuTheSuperSaiyan1 9 месяцев назад

    Whats the difference between GTO and many of the humans who try to play GTO?

  • @justinhart7172
    @justinhart7172 Год назад

    I feel asleep to the music but he kept waking me up

  • @adrianamatlack532
    @adrianamatlack532 Год назад

    At least 70 bb on turn, double flush draw board

  • @camboanbeats1946
    @camboanbeats1946 Год назад

    Great explanation!!

  • @billzepp69
    @billzepp69 Год назад

    Damn flushies had to fold my king high flush yesterday

  • @TheStein36
    @TheStein36 Год назад

    I gave you a thumbs up but wanted to give you a ❤️. Great video.

  • @ИаковПавленко
    @ИаковПавленко Год назад +1

    That preview is horrible IMO. It's not like you're playing poker, it's more like you're eating raw meat from a freshly skinned dear

  • @Rechnerstrom
    @Rechnerstrom Год назад

    The strategy you give for the opponent isn't gto but deeply flawed. A gto player would call only 2/3 of their bluffcatchers versus the small bet and 45% of their bluffcatchers versus the push. These frequencies are produced by the effort to make the player indifferent to bluffs. You give 17,5% call versus the push and 100% call against the small bet. This is deeply flawed on both ends. Against a true gto player a push with the nuts produces always the most EV if that hand is seen isolated. As soon as you consider that you don't play single hands but a range you get several sizes which have the the same EV because the opponent is gto.
    If the strategy of the opponent is as you tell you could simply push your whole range and make a huge profit because the opponent folds much too much. You might make even more profit if you bet your strongest hands smaller. That sounds paradox but is the best exploit against the opponents strategy because it is not gto.
    You can't exploit a gto player. Gto is the strategy that is designed to be unexploitable. You can however exploit a flawed strategy and this is what your calculations show.

  • @phillipdonnatien6481
    @phillipdonnatien6481 Год назад

    Glad I found your channel💪🏽✊🏽 you’re a maniac, I love it😂🤣🍀 good content and humor. Loved watching you destroy Tony I actually felt bad for him, almost😂🤣🤙🏽

  • @pieterkoen2232
    @pieterkoen2232 Год назад

    Charlie can we see a winning graph of 50/200nl 1m+ hands? Or anything that will prove that you can actually beat anything online in the longterm i know you shipped some mtts but your bankroll challenged you never finished also it feels like you are only looking for attention and act like a exploitive pro wich you might be but where is the prove?

  • @markmathes6142
    @markmathes6142 Год назад

    I have found my guru!!!

  • @frankfrank2637
    @frankfrank2637 Год назад

    This is such a dead argument that ended about a decade ago. If you're playing in a different player pool every session, sure play every hand in a vacuum, if you're trying to crush midstakes+ regulars online over 100s of thousands of hands you will get destroyed by having unbalanced sizes and ranges. The example you give isn't bad if talking about a random cash game or mtt where you will likely never play more than 100 hands with the guy, but in the context of 200zoom its horrendous advice.
    ."gto nerds" all exploit, online player pools are small when you get to medium stakes+ if theres a guy that never bluffs small in this spot I'll snap fold some 2 pairs.
    .If you're not balanced when you c/r from 4bb-21bb the "gto nerds" will realize this very quickly. If I see anyone with different c/r sizing's I'm instantly making notes.
    .The best exploitative online players still balance. They will be more bluffy or more value heavy in certain spots but they certainly don't do it to the extent that they are pure bluffing or value betting range in any spot, or that they would have sizing tells. And of course, these players all also have a great understanding of gto also.

  • @alexleach4002
    @alexleach4002 Год назад

    step 1 flop the nuts and a redraw. Step 2 put a lot of money in. Step 3 profit.

  • @yousaidwhaaaattt8631
    @yousaidwhaaaattt8631 Год назад

    Quality stuff :)

  • @SuperYtc1
    @SuperYtc1 Год назад

    Charlie is making some pretty basic mistakes in this video. Mostly in thinking about the hand he can see, rather than a range. Pretty amateur stuff. Many GTO nerds might lose to him, but a competent GTO nerd would absolutely crush this hobo. Koon vs Charlie would be like watching a lion and a rabbit fight.

  • @billzepp69
    @billzepp69 Год назад

    Oh no he must have the JT of diamonds he is going to catch you. Jam on that shiny four man jam!
    Changed my mind on this four of diamonds man I really think the opponent must have a 72diamonds… what is the river already
    Damn blank on the river have to min bet get some tiny value maybe they push it all in and try to bluff
    It funny because I am sitting here eating combos. Pretzels filled with shit is the best. How many combos if they have a broken flush draw one pair that’s to many combos to eat.

  • @msupokerface7
    @msupokerface7 3 месяца назад

    Someone link this man a tutorial on how to shower, speak intelligently, or spell poker. Great analysis, put a lot of money in with the nuts, I'm so much smarter now. Thanks for taking 3 min of my life Charles, you're a joke. Upswing for life.

  • @1mordi104
    @1mordi104 Год назад +3

    easy to be a smart a.. with a hand you flop nuts .wanna see hard spots not easy spots lol
    obv great player Charlie cant argue with that

  • @cantstoplarping8753
    @cantstoplarping8753 Год назад

    This kids high

  • @chrisnewtownnsw
    @chrisnewtownnsw Год назад

    tight range beats medium range beats wide range beats tight. Basic Rock Paper Scissors really. In other words full of shit beats honest beats keep you honest beats full of shit.

  • @robinjansen6145
    @robinjansen6145 Год назад

    Easy range check 678 for the SB according to our saviour pio😜

  • @AAY-7
    @AAY-7 Год назад

    I like your poker style, Charlie. Many people dont reach that mindset because since they child they are programmed like that. They dont know what the pure science. They only sure about structural things that teached like in the school. They dont know before GTO exist, people make money from exploit. And until now, cool poker player like you and other still success with exploit.
    Guys, if you sure GTO is the best strategie, that mean you think human mind have a limit. So sad for that, bad way to go.
    Human mind is no limit, and the pure thing is never have a structure

  • @MrPiffmunchies
    @MrPiffmunchies Год назад

    its sad but with AI now online poker has 1 year left max

  • @EpicNoobPwner
    @EpicNoobPwner Год назад +1

    This is great. Can't get enough fuck GTO content, keep it up Charlie

  • @tubewayarmy2
    @tubewayarmy2 Год назад

    It's not that Charlie isn't studying GTO at all, it's that people are studying GTO and not really understanding it. So Charlie is exploiting the fact that they will call in certain situations by making bets that will put them slightly overrisked, as people's minds try to make the bet size fit, rather than seeing the point at which a call becomes a fold. Aside from that Poker should be fun to play, and letting a randomizer decide when to call and when to fold in a 75/25 situation makes no sense, if it's a fold 75% of the time it's just a fold, you shouldn't call 25% of the time and think you will be winning because that makes you unexploitable.

  • @BrapNeeflap
    @BrapNeeflap Год назад

    Why does RUclips keep unsubbing me from poker players? 😢