Is This 4% African Actually Native American? - Reviewing YOUR DNA - Professional Genealogist Reacts
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Northern Indian could be from a Romani (Gypsy) ancestor.
Exactly!
Possibile
BTW, I like your new hairstyle.
No - it’s unlikely a British Raj descent. The Central Asian, south Asian and Indian seems to point at some Romany descent. I I have Romany ancestry and am part of genealogy groups. Those mixes look like English Romany descent. Having a look at the surnames in her family tree would help resolve this riddle. If she has names like Stanley, Loveridge, Boswell, Price, Cooper, Kemp, Lee (many others) would indicate some English Romanichal descent.
14:05 - As a Native American genealogist, I often get asked about ancestors that are supposedly Native. The majority of the time, we find African DNA and no DNA from South or North America. Although, in this case, it is quite clear that they were African. Since this person has found freed men in her tree, we can deduce that that person was not Native. HOWEVER THIS IS WERE IT GETS TRICKY. As with all genealogy, historical context is the critical in undestanding our ancestors.
Firstly, the ties between Black and Native American populationsin the Americas is inextricable. There were many Black slaves that ran away in North America and were taken in by Native American tribes. Many tribes consider these "adoptions" to be perminant. Therefore, there will not be Black DNA but there will be Native roots. However this is not usually the case - but it is a possibility that occurs often enough that it is worth noting when doing Native American research. Natives and Blacks were put into the same class of "other" (aka not white). Saying Native American's must be a certain % of Native DNA creates a false narrative that Native Americans are few and far between. Some tribes are considered extinct even though their descendants are still alive today but they have been tobeen label has "Hispanic" or "Black" or "White".
Secondly, BLOOD QUANTUM IS NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN CONCEPT. Indian blood laws were introduced by colonizers. When the colonizers labeled people as Black, White, Mulatto, Indian, etc., they were actively creating today's system of racial oppression. These records need to read these documents using anti-racist historical lenses in order to understand the nuisnace and intricasies of Black and Indigenous cultures and family systems. Blood quantum in modern day is saying I'm "1/16th Native American" but not having any ties to the community or culture.
Thirdly, it was often safer for mixed people to claim their were Native American instead of Black. If they were Black, they could be arrested and taken back to the slave farm. Many people said they were Native American for safety. So their oral histories will say Native American when they have ties to kidnapped Black Africans.
Fourthly, the word Cherokee was used as a slurr against all People of Color AND (white) Appalachians. Sometimes White ancestors were called Cherokees as an insult. It is closer to the modern-day terms "hill-billy" or "rednbeck". So their descendants think they are Cherokee but they were actually white (or Irish/Black Irish/Appelachian).
If you really want to be Native American, -- what matters is -- Do you know the culture? Do you speak the langugage? Do you eat the foods of the ancestors? Do you honor the ancestors of your land? Do you try to carry on their teachings and live your life in relationship to your human family and Mother Earth?
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Then can you explain why so many tribes require DNA proof of X percentage in order to be recognized even... let alone receive any benefits. I have a friend whose mother grew up visiting her First Nations grandmother on tribal land... grew up learning the customs... still keeps many of them alive now even though she was born an American as her mother had immigrated. My friend receives no recognition and no benefits despite direct matrilineal and traceable connection. She's deemed too far removed even though she keeps more traditions and knowledge alive than many much more "fully blooded" individuals that she's met.
On the flip side, another friend's kids receive 0 benefits and 0 recognition from a US based tribe because their father is tribal, not their mother. DNA testing even proved they're his. Funnily enough, the tribe was pissed about the DNA testing because it also showed neither the kids nor their father had any traceable tribal heritage. (This is particularly upsetting because plenty of other kids of their generation will receive college funds, business loans, guaranteed employment... the list goes on and the most they will get was reduced cost daycare and after school program at the tribal school)
I don't give two flips about how genetically tribal someone is but its awful that some people get recognized while others don't regardless of who is more culturally tribal or has better, more tangible connections. It seems to me greed dictates a lot more about who is considered "tribal" than who actually practices their cultural traditions and honors their heritage. (Things are pretty tempestuous with the east coast tribes... US and Canadian from what I can tell)
I agree with you. I am 50% Native American per Ancestry DNA, but I mostly have tribes from Mexico. Unfortunately I don't know which tribes and I am guessing 3-4 because both of my parents come from different parts of Mexico. I respect the Native American cultures, but I consider myself assimilated at this point.
The Native American is Cherokee in the 1700s and does not show up because it is so far back. My 5th great-grandfather George Washington Turner fought for the Confederates and was from Virginia and owned slaves, so there is African American relativesf my DNA has traces from all over the world when I uploaded to Genome Link because I have Viking ancestors.
@@Chaotic_Pixie excellent counter btw .
bs, the native americans and the "blacks were the same people. look at the dam picture all over the dam internet.
I always enjoy how these DNA tests can throw a wrench in peoples’ stories of “Uncle Bob says…” or grandma says “My mother and grandmother told me…”. 😂
Family history is a lot more complicated than we realize as I, someone of mixed ancestry, can confirm.
Right! And they will still insist 😂😅
For the first one, I see "Germanic Europe" and "Magyar" on his mother's results and Northern India on his. This says to me that the mother's family has people from Hungary, and there's possibly some ancestor who is Roma. In the 1700s, the Hungarian government forced the Hungarian Roma to settle and would not let them move as they were wont. Roma children were often taken from their parents to be raised in Hungarian homes so that they could be assimilated into "proper" Hungarians. I think it's worth investigating based on those results.
True, Julilia1, since the international Roma people we know as 'Gypsies' originate in India, any European (or other) admixture with them may show up as continental Indian in DNA assessments.
I didn't even consider the Roma possibility, but that could very well be the case. My first thought was some Native American DNA. That sometimes presents as North India/Pakistan.
Super cool way to incorporate Reddit questions to videos!
Excellent video. Keep up the good work!
I always learn so much from you! Love your videos.
Ps, your haircut looks good on you!
It does look really good on him!
A recent Finding Your Roots talked about African vs Native American. It could help make sense why some family members feel strongly about the wrong information.
It was practically the same story. It could have been written by that person on Finding your Roots as it was so similar. Maybe was very common.
Because of Rascism right? And they want the "points" that associated with being part native
Like "oh I am a true american because I have native blood" or "I have native so all the wrongs my ancestors did to those natives are not relavent".
Its like those people in the 70s and 80s adopting African children
True, I had molotto in my cousins ancestry results and it did actually end up being Native American.
Thank you, your insight on the India result gives a reason to look further into it.
People need to read about the Dawe's Roll and it's forming of the "5 Dollar Tribe".
Hi..ty for featuring my DNA analysis. I do live in Canada. I have traced my tree back quite far (1500s) on my dad' s maternal line. His paternal line is more difficult. I have traced my mom's back a couple generations on both her sides but a lot of her ancestors were Hungarian and she identifies as Hungarian. That is the Eastern Europe which is approx 49%. She also has 56% Germanic Europe and 3% Northern Italian. That's it. So hers will be interesting if I can trace further back.
Y-700 customers are already getting the T2T update now. Was quietly updating since December 21st. Got a new branch and another Y-12 match. Update will take some time. First updating R,G and another group.
I ran across this post last night and read all the comments. I couldn't believe how many of us have a "know it all cousin Chuck" 😆 Everyone who posted, commented, etc.. (and of course GeneaVlogger too).. _you ALL rock_ !! I wonder if Cousin Chuck has read this yet? 🤣
This was a very interesting episode, as I have 2% Congo, Western Bantu People. My father was adopted so knew nothing of his birth family until a dna test. My full sibling also has the same percentage of Congo WBP, though our other ethnic percentages are different. I’ve read that some smaller percentages can be considered ‘noise’ but how can that be?? Then I get the comments that ‘we all came from Africa originally’, which I get, but then wouldn’t we all have it in our ethnic makeup? I’m thinking it has to be because I have a relative from a closer generation. I also have lots of new cousins that are African American and I would love to know who/how we are related through.
My great-great-grandmother is labeled "Cherokee Indian" on her death certificate and is labeled "white" in census records. However, according to our DNA test results, my half-brother and I are 1% Nigerian, with no Native American DNA detected. Are many "Native Americans" actually of African rather than indigenous descent?
OMG having this same issue my family lived on the reservation and still do to this day in Oklahoma but my dna test came back Nigerian as well and I’ve been so confused ever since.
The last story could have been mine, exactly. I’m currently communicating with a cousin on my mother’s side whose father insists that the family myth is true, and we have NA roots. However, neither these cousins nor any that share the same line have any NA DNA at all, but they all have some African percentage in their admixture results. I have both African and NA in my admixture, but I know the NA is from my dad’s side. The father of the disputed ancestor shows up as either Black or Mulatto in the census records, and I’ve traced his line back to slaves that were freed in the 1830s. But no, the cousin insists that we are descended from the Blackfoot tribe, and all the records were lost because they were burned on the Trail of Tears, 🤦🏻♀️. I’d really like to get them to read some history, or even geography, to see why that’s just wrong, but some people like to cling to their delusions.
Incredible story.
I understand why this myth of NA “blood” is born on US family during Jim Crow years, in order to hide that people were closest that we thought and also hide slavery consequences, sex abuse …
But now, with DNA… I mean as explained very often in this channel, DNA is not ultimate to separate Irish to English to German, to French, to Italian…. And this is a continuum.
But between NA dna and African dna it can’t be any mistake or misreading.
As you said, these people need to open there eyes and/or open some books… but I guess they will said that it is “liberal” science both DNA and history:)
The Blackfoot tribe was not on the “trail of tears” that the “So called” 5civilized tribes that came from the Mississippi region to Oklahoma
FYI - he Blackfeet tribe (Blackfoot is only used in Canada First Nations on that side of the border) is located in northern Montana. The Trail of Tears was the process in which the tribes belonging to the Five Civilized Tribes (Civilized simply meant that they were Christians) were originally in their ancestral homelands in the southeastern United States. They were removed to Oklahoma in the 1830s. Some tribes walked westward and other tribes went by boat along the gulf coast. The tribes were Cree( (Muskogee) Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw and one other tribe. None were Blackfeet. Most if the upper Northern Plains were not yet part of the United States and were technically only territories. There would have been no interaction between tribes. I have Blackfeet friends in Montana and Blackfoot friends in Alberta Canada. My in-laws are members of the Creek tribe who are now in Oklahoma. I'm Lakota. There is a lot of intertribal mixing today but not historically.
Put your records into historical context. During the 1830's some slaves that were 'owned' by Native Americans chose to follow their masters on the trail of tears to Oklahoma because they knew they would be treated better by the NA community than if they they stayed in the south and were resold or even freed. Many of their descendants have claimed NA ancestry (and may have even been culturally NA) ever since as the slavery aspect was swept under the rug and has only recently been brought back out to light.
True. But in his case the African DNA shows and not NA.
There's that, and the fact that nearly all info on N.Am markers is based on populations in the Southwestern US, Central & South America - Mid & Eastern tribes are grossly underrepresented.
Another issue is that people have found the need to "pass" or misrepresent their ancestry, over generations. They often claimed the safest or most-believable, given the times, current laws & restrictions, etc. It is true that some who were "mulatto" claimed Italian, "Indian", Black Dutch, or other ancestry, but it may have been safer in certain scenarios, for the family to claim "mulatto" rather than "Indian" in person, or in documents. The false identity often is passed on in family lore, like so much info that is meant to hide embarrassing or dangerous information.
People could lose their rights, land, children, marriage (think miscegenation laws) if the truth were known - the stakes were high.
That is may be the story of few individuals.
That can’t represent the story of the big majority of the people in us. Descendant from south states very often are mixed European and African and Native have nothing to do on it.
No slave has a "choice " they had to go because they were SLAVES
@@vada7259 the reason why I think Eastern tribes are not really used as references is that they don't look the part.
If I had a nickel for every person who thought that they had Native American ancestry......
I know a lot with native ancestry.
The NA DNA myth lives on LoL... "white families" saying their African heritage is NA because it was ( and sadly sometimes still is for some people) more palatable and "black families" saying their European heritage is NA because... same exactly reason. It happens over and over and over. The host of Finding Your Roots has said numerous times that its a myth that shows up in both cultural dynamics. Personally, I think we all just need to work harder at accepting who we are and that DNA doesn't define us as individuals, our identity does... and all the factors that go into forming it. I have significant concerns if finding out you're 4% or 8% West African by DNA causes a massive identity crisis... just as I have significant concerns if your relative's gender identity or sexual orientation impacts how much you love them.
The problem is that it appears, to outsiders, that the USA is still mainly tribal (and not in a NA sense). Look at how many claim to be Irish American - including your president - but have little to no Irish blood - again including your president, who has MORE English heritage (provable) than Irish but Irish appeals to the voters so ............ - or Italian Americans etc. It seems everyone needs to belong to a ?? American group, whether the first word is African, native, Irish, Italian, Polish etc etc etc. You are all USAmericans but for so many it seems that this just isn't enough.
Greetings from Ireland.
Excellent reply, I doubt Uncle Chuck will want to have an honest conversation about their African roots during Thanksgiving dinner, but there may be ways to reach out to other relatives who may be more open to the information. Assuming this is a family with Southern roots, they may have made a decision during the Jim Crow/ One Drop of Black Blood period to hide their origins, but many "White" families have this same origin story, and America would be a better place if they accepted it.
yes, but though Gates says this...there are people like me, whose people came from areas that used to be Native lands in the south that do have NA heritage. I have had stories passed down from my grandparents and great-grandparents of NA ancestors, and the facts bear out in our DNA tests. So yes, there is the narrative among AA families of having NA ancestry thats not true, but mines is real....and there are others like me out there, contrary to many who don't.
Not true im "white" and am actually 21% native american so my family lore was true. then I also have 10% asian, 9% papuan and 8% african. I'm not ashamed of any of my ancestry.
@@ABC1701A you can be raised with strong cultural ties, even if you lack the DNA to prove it. That’s exactly my point. Your identity is defined by so much more than your DNA. I’m likely way more British/Dutch than I am Franco-German but my identity is deeply German-American. It’s the oral tradition I grew up with, the FOOD I grew up with, even some aspects of language too. My German roots arrived to the US in the 1840s and 1880s. My grandmother was the granddaughter of a German immigrant. My grandfather signed up for WWII BEFORE we even entered the war because of anti-German sentiment & his desire to prove his American loyalties… he too was the grandson of an immigrant.
The US is a giant salad, not a melting pot. We have a long tradition of preserving heritage as much as we do destroying it… especially when it’s a group of people who’ve experienced marginalization.
And if you don’t realize that a lot of Irish have a fair amount of English blood, you don’t know much about history. Plenty of families in Ireland date back hundreds of years, identify as Irish, but are original English.
And we look at Europe as also see vehemence about cultural distinctions. It happens a lot in the Scandinavian countries and especially in Eastern Europe where identity was stripped and people marginalized thanks to Russia.
Do you do personal family tree
My mom's side has German ancestry. I think her great-grandfather was born there. I found his obit on Ancestry saying as much. The results on my mom's side only came up as mostly Irish and like 12% welsh. It detected the German (Austrian) on my dad's side. Any thoughts why this could be? Also, my paternal grandfather was born in Austria but the results just came up "Germanic Europe" meanwhile it specifically was able to track the exact town in Ireland my mom's side came from. Why can't the test differentiate Austrian from general Germanic Europe but it can pinpoint the exact town in Ireland my mom's ancestors were from?
Edit: when i said i "think" her great grandfather was from germany, i meant i think it was "great" and not her 1st generation grandfather.
They need more Austrians with trees testing.
Ive only the x chromosomes test several years ago. Im thinking about doing it again. Through a different DNA site. Just to see if it will give me the same results or something different.
So my husband had the same problem as the last guy asking about African american possibly being NA instead. His great grandmother on his paternal side was able to get native american benefits and money she also passed down how her mother also couldve gotten money but her husband (a white man) was to proud so wouldnt allow her to accept but his kids were able to after he passed. So i had him tested and there was no native american but he did have like 4% african. So i went to his dads side and on his dads paternal line it listed a fee members as mulatto further back it was listed as black but it was not listed on the side we had heard the native american was on so i dug further on that side and much to my surprise there was also some people listed as mulatto i spoke to other family members who had tested everyone got the african American but not many inherited the NA
I'd be curious to know more about the man trying to trace his father's father's father's side. He said he's Irish. I'm curious to what date he can trace his great-grandfather back to and under what circumstances he finds him. Estimating the gentleman in the picture is somewhere around my age... so we'll say born around 1985... and assuming a parental average age of 30... his dad would have been born around 1955 (around when my parents were)... his grandfather would have been born around 1925... again, sort of around when my grandparents were (mine were all born between 1912 and 1922) making his great-grandfather having been born sometime in the 1880s/1890s? If he was born in the US.. I can't help but wonder if his great-great grandfather came over on a famine ship.... especially if there are older fathers in the timeline... it seems feasible and could be why tracing gets difficult. There were lots of orphans... lots of families nearly decimated. (I've been reading some accounts from the early 1900s... of the children and grandchildren of people who came to the US on famine ships trying to find family... or just basic information as many of their parents/grandparents didn't even want to talk about where they came from in Ireland if they even knew... and if they did, by then, it was likely not many would remember families that had left/nearly died out. And records from that time period are spotty at best with the exception of some church/clergy records.
It's just an idea. It may also have absolutely nothing to do with that. Hard to tell without dates and a family tree.
I would suggest for the person wondering about the Germanic and had communities in Upstate New York area and Southern Ontario rings a familiar bell....whomever you are you should investigate if your ancestor was a United Empire Loyalist and with the Germanic, possibly Hessian soldiers may be involved...just one proud loyalist descendant to a possible other.
I’m descended from UEL people who migrated from NY to Ontario.
My ancestors were Dutch. A lot of Dutch fought for the British and moved on into Ontario after the War.
Hi there! So, I emphasized in history of the American South in undergrad and I definitely agree with your thoughts on OP’s African ancestry, but I’d like to note that it wasn’t uncommon for Indigenous people to have relationships with Africans, especially in places with high concentrations of both groups in enslaved communities. So I guess my point is that while you certainly could have an Indigenous ancestor SOMEWHERE in your family, Cousin Chuck is probably wrong and even if you did have an Indigenous person somewhere, the genetics and paper trail clearly show that it is negligible compared to the African ancestry
My MyHeritage DNA is also weird and has randoms compared to my others. Seeing MyHeritage have random readings doesn’t surprise me.
Sorry, for Y-DNA testing, there is only one FTDNA Big Y-700 DNA.
I have found several 2nd cousins and some of them show more NA DNA than I do. We were all told we came from the North and Greenland showed up. I guess the story about ancestors knowing blue-eyed Vikings may have a very tiny bit of truth.
Whilst on the last question I totally agree with you that it's very likely that they don't have Native American ancestry wouldn't it be better to get your mum and dad to take a test rather than a cousin as might it not be the case that they didn't get the DNA from the one parent that was passed down from this ancestor that one of their parents have? Obviously that assumes them being willing and able to take the test, but that would give a definitive answer. Maybe the cousin has tested and has this in his results, but that could come from his ancestors that aren't theirs (if that makes sense).
The reason I suggest cousins is because I view the main goal as proving descent from the specific ancestors who were African, not necessarily just proving that they were African or Native America, which would require matching the other cousins who also descend from that ancestor. Testing the parents would certainly be a step towards proving it, especially which parent that line is through and a more nuanced admixture, but that wouldn't definitively confirm the paper-trail tracing back to the African ancestor who was enslaved and then freed. I should also clarify that this suggestion is focused on some of the more distant cousins on this line, such as 3rd or 4th cousins. So if op's 2nd-great grandparent is the one listed as Mulatto, then finding DNA matches to descendants of that 2nd-great grandparent's siblings would confirm the 3rd-great grandparents. Now if the parents were to test, that would certainly make my suggestion easier to accomplish because the parents would be expected to share higher amounts of DNA with all these distant cousins. As well, if parents are able and willing to test, it will be extremely helpful in any further genetic genealogy research being conducted.
@@GeneaVlogger Thanks for the clarification. This makes a lot of sense. I tested my 101 year old grandfather last year with the hope of finding matches in exactly this way, not for African ancestors though, but Irish ones where we'd hit a brick wall in our research. It has allowed us to get further back on certain branches and find some 3rd-4th cousins on certain branches.
this happened to me as well. four different jewish in the 1% each. I have no jewish. I am french acadian, irish etc. I finally went to GED match, it turned out, my native past had some diversity called meso to mix in with the north. the meso argues wtih astro (polynesian). the north argues with african and scandinavian. anyway.. it added to 6.3%. all native america. I then realized that is a perfect number in genetics. 12.5% parent, 25% grandparent, 50% great grandparent, 100% 2nd great. I found my full native at 3rd great.. 100%. I simply hung on to a higher number..its the way dna rolls. chromosome painting is awesome for me.
If identical twins have babies with identical twins, would they be able to test for who the parents are?
No
People need to be willing to figure out their trees, look at the towns where they were born, and then look at the borders at that time. Then research the history of that area. Sometimes that history is very telling.
My maternal grandfather had a German surname. Spoke German growing up. His father was American born to German immigrants, his mother was a German immigrant. However my DNA doesn’t really say that. In fact each time 23 and Me or AncestryDNA updates, my German DNA goes down and Eastern European goes up. The towns where these people were born are well inside the borders of modern Poland. Germany wasn’t the country we know now. My people were Prussian. The DNA shows they were culturally German but ethnically/genetically Eastern European/Polish.
Why do so many people try and claim they are native American? My friend was convinced of this but when she received her 23 results, opps 0% native. I remember watching Tyra Banks ancestry results and she had a percentage of native American and the guy going over her rersults commented how rare that actually is.
I think My Heritage, and therefore FTDNA, I guess, are the least reliable for ethnic admixture. My Heritage has an Iberian component that comes up a lot. It is a full 18% of my admixture with them, which might indicate an Hispanic grandparent, but I have no Hispanic ancestry in 400 years. I think they need to look at that and explain it. I just can't understand it. I have no Iberian at any other company. FTDNA shows just 7%, though. My Heritage also seems to report Finnish all the time.
I agree FTNA and Myheritage are the least accurate of the big companies on ethnicity especially FTNA.
it is not just hispanic, it is also Portugal, Andorra, Gibraltar. If you really do have your entire tree back 400 years, there could have been a first or second marriage that you missed. There could have been a non-parental event 200 years ago or so. 400 years of ancestor confirmed with records or record plus DNA matches is pretty impressive, like "I am an astronaut" levels of impressive. It takes decades most times to even attempt such a tree. I think you may want to look over your tree, generation by generation (or if you have family tree software or a subscription to myheritage you can run a test for it) to see if you have any glaring mistakes in your tree, like people dying years before their children were born or having kids at age 9 or having one kid in France and the next 6 months later in Denmark. Just things like that. I had to redo a large portion of my tree over a decade ago when I started because of such things. There were seriously so many that it was easier to just delete entire lines and start over.
And with me I have a paper trail & DNA cousin matches to those that are English. Most all of my maternal side came from England, yet MyHeritage has me at 0% English. I even have cousin matches that are 100% English that match me, yet I'm listed as not being any English on MH? On the other DNA platforms my English DNA is listed. I think it's time for MH to update their Ethnicity results & not focus so much on their Photo enhancing abilities (as much as I like that too).
Are you sure they are your biological grandparents 🤷🏽♀️
The mullatto is probably someone mixed who passed as a Native American for civil rights.
1. Please ask the person, with DNA from Mali, if they are a musician or not. I am so curious.🎶🎶🎶(If you are not, then please listen to some. See what you think.)
2. On 'Finding Your Roots' a Black American had had an ancestor, who had lived with Indigenous People. He had believed, that he would find something in his DNA to prove this. They more or less said that the ancestor had been 'enslaved' by this group and that this guest had no trace of Indigenous DNA. This guest to the show felt rejection, for his ancestor, at knowing this, but no mention was made of the ancestor's age, sex, situation of the Indigenous People, if they had brought their own partner along, or if they had knowledge of the Indigenous language used. I would love to see those documents. Languages take time for both sides. I tend to think that it was a good survival decision by the ancestor, to work and live with them, as opposed to the location from which they came, whatever...wherever.. that was. Due to trading or need, the 'slave' might have been sold... back into or.... into slavery... at any time. Think about the lawlessness of it..... all. The ancestor might have always been free but was able to stay with the Indigenous People. Hard workers, men or women are always needed and appreciated. Perhaps it was not slavery at all. What word did they call Europeans, Black Africans or hostages from other Tribes? The ancestor might have been a child and left later. Europeans also were integrated into the Indigenous groups. My intuition tells me that it was a good move, that they were thereby treated with respect and that they became part of the Tribe. You don't need similar DNA to be part of a Tribe. The Tribe does make a wise decision about it, however. That is what I was told 10 years ago.
Wish it was like that Cef Cat, (yes, in some situations a few free or escaping Blacks were taken in as part of the tribe... and love finds a way); unfortunately, the Black people we're discussing, were absolutely *slaves* of these particular Native Americans, same as if they were slaves of the Euro-Americans. Nothing benign about this historical situation. Some slaves were released years after American Emancipation proclamation, because the Indigenous People were deemed 'independent' Nations with rules of their own. Sorry.
The second one looks like my cousin. The Puerto Rican.
Wait I can send you my 23 and me results?
Hi, have you come across eastern Polynesian results that include small percentages of Native American? This may also include native Hawaiian and New Zealand Maori, but pre-European contact.
Paper trail + DNA - Cousin chuck= Dey black
Would the India DNA be from European settlement or is it from the real India people?
I have a friend who married a man of African descent. This was in Georgia, where it was illegal, so they listed him as Native American. Could explain why the last person's family think they have NA. On another note, my brother just had sepia prints redone of my great grandparents over in Galway, Ireland! He texted me photos of the prints.
Why would they think an African was native American 🧐
I honestly wish YT would allow people to share pictures because I would love to share my results and family tree ( I'm not into video production or speaking on camera to post) My ancestry summary (High west African with European and North Americans indigenous mix) does not match my actual be genealogy/ancestry backed by documented research ( birth, marriage, death, census ECT).
My phenotype would be considered mixed (light skin, long soft hair, freckles) but I identify as Black. My mother and father bother identified as "Black Indian" meaning are not affiliated with any tribes but have NA lineages. They come from Native Americans who stayed in the south and were not pushed westward. These groups were reclassified as Negro. They were the. Absorbed into the Free Black populations eventually because of racial laws it was essentially "absorbed" Eastern tribes aren't studied and are not included in DNA populations of North Americans tribes, in fact No tribes from the United States are included because so many are mixed and many tribes no longer exists. What they test for are markers matching tribes in Central America. Which is why Mexicans and other south and Central Americans tend to have the highest north American Indigenous markers. Those on reservations have higher percentages due to endogamy or the blood lines being close.
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Thank you! I only recently came across the info on Indian/Native American/Indigenous testing being based, almost completely, on Southwestern U.S., Central American & South American Indigenous populations/markers.
Some of us do show "anomalous mtDna haplogroup" markers, as mtDna "J" in Cherokee/part Cherokee persons tested, including Cherokee in the old lands, who have remained there over generations.
Eastern indigenous populations have a history quite different from that of our western & southern cousins, though indigenous ancestry is hidden, sometimes over generations, throughout the hemisphere.
So many are accused of being wannabees with Indian Princess Cherokee Grandmothers. I only want to find the truth about my family, & had never heard even a whisper about "Indian blood", though decades of genealogical research shows very strong indications on both sides - I was middle aged before I knew of so much as a possibility of such.
@@vada7259 There are plenty of individual Native Americans from the US testing and they will still get high amounts of Native American and East Asian on these tests so anyone with any Native American will get some percentage of Native American and East Asian. There are results on youtube if people want to research this.
Are you doing this again?
Yep, I plan on doing a bunch of these! Be sure to get your question up on the subreddit soon if it's not up yet, it's a pretty big list!
I have a cousin chuck type experience in my family tree too my 4great grandma all her siblings and parents were all listed as "Mulatto" when she was a kid, then in later census was changed to "Black" but in later census I found her sister and brother living in Indian Country Cherokee Nation before Oklahoma became Oklahoma. The family migrated from Mississippi, to Arkansas, to Cherokee Nation, during the time I see them changed in the census. My grandma still living said she remembers her granddad and that he was "Indian". They werent Freedmen either. So who knows Im still searching
Some ethnically African people could be culturally Native American. Firstly, some Native tribes owned slaves, especially in Southeastern US, and secondly, across much of the Americas, escaped slaves would sometimes get assistance from local Native people and end up living among them.
Truth be told, many White Americans have mixed-race (Black) ancestors who "passed" for White and they just never found out
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I love how people look so closely into tiny percentages like 4%. I did a DNA test with 23andMe which came up as 51% Filipino and 48.4% white and 0.6% in trace results.
The 51% Filipino made sense since my mother is from the Philippines. I just find it funny how something like with 4% African a person is considered African suddenly. Yet i’m 51% Filipino but people still classify me as “white”
No one considers someone 4% African to be African.
You're bi-racial i.e. half European and half Asian.
Would I be too forward to suggest you take a different approach with these things? Specifically, try to challenge people on whether they are understanding what they are doing with these so-called "ethnicity" results. The basic phrase "where I am from" (which is sometimes used by companies in advertising these tests) itself is misleading. What are customers really trying to accomplish by taking these tests? If they are looking to _buy an identity_ (which I suspect) then they will utlimately be dissappointed.
I'm not so sure that the people asking him questions about their ethnicity results are people who not interested in genealogy. His channel is geared towards genealogy so I doubt that it is the people just wanting ethnicities only.
indian and native americans are two different groups indian is a misnomer his uncle may be correct i have similar genealogy ...the indians....are a misnomer for "blacks" that were already here.....and it can also be true that the west africans and the "indians" have similar dna because they are of similar people......out of africa is a theory still.... remember that
I don't understand why everyone thinks that Native Americans are the only indigenous tribal I people on the planet.
They are indigenous to the Americas just like Aboriginals are indigenous to Australia or Europeans to Europe and Africans to Africa.
Cousin
Those African genes hurt his spirit so bad 🙄