Things I learned from this video: 1. I am related to all US Presidents 2. Everyone else is also related to all US Presidents 3. Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
I’m African American and found a pedigree collapse of the “Whitehead” surname of Southampton, Virginia 3x in my family tree. I’m still combing through the records, but I learn it is most likely because I descend from free black people and there weren’t a lot of us in the early 1800s
Wait so... all the way back? As in black people that came to the US and never had any involvement in the slave trade? Why are we not taught about this? I'm mostly Hispanic, but my paternal grandfather's paternal grandmother was a black Cuban woman in the 1800s so my connection to the triangle trade is different from people in the US, but still, I literally didn't even know until a few years ago until I sat down all my great aunts and grandparents to document as much of our history as possible, and since then I've been obsessed with our genealogy. It's very easy to find the documents that go back to Spain several hundred years ago before Cuba, but I'm still stuck with my great great grandmother and have no way to go much further back. Any advice?
Yes, there was a community of free African Americans who came over during the Jamestown and Williamsburg settled as indentured servants. After they had worked off their debt, they were freed and there's even documentation showing that there was relative equality between free black colonist and their socially equal counterparts as the society at that point was about class more than color. The population was not huge, but they had the same rights as free whites and socialized freely and mutually between groups until the latter part of the 17th century.
Answer to your question, yes. Puerto Rican here; I knew about my pedigree collapse, and endogamy being part of living on an island, still I was extremely shocked to see 100,000+ matches on Ancestry. This video was almost as hearing a description of my family tree.
Me too. 158,000 ancestry matches and almost all are Puerto Rican. My husband only has 34k and my mom (non Hispanic) only has 28k. My husband is actually descended from a pretty isolated New England town and has plenty of pedigree collapse, but not as much as on my side, lol.
I'm a full blooded French Canadian and I have found several pedigree collapses in both sides of my own family tree. By finding out that my parents are 9th cousins on several occasions on each side of my family tree. The families I found that both my parents have in common are the St. Pierre, Levesque, and Belanger family lines. Both of these families are on both sides of my family trees. And another connection I had found is that I am a descended through two men by the names of Jean Guyon and Zacherie Cloutier in several ways. Both men worked together in the building of the many colonial buildings in New France in the 17th century. But through Zacherie Cloutier I found that I am a descended through him through all five of his children spanning through both sides of my family tree from my dad and my mother.
Probably related to you, lol I have levesque and descend from Zachary and xainte cloutier. My grandparents descend from the same fille du roi or “a king’s daughter” Jeanne savonnet
I don’t recall those surnames in my tree (not all are finished) but my family comes from Acadia, Quebec and France.. Also German. But I’m just learning how the given name changes when they started making their way down to Louisiana and realized I’ve been butchering some names.
I noticed a lot of my common ancestors were inter marrying after a cousin gave me a book on the people of Åland (islands between Sweden and Finland) but I didn’t know it was called endogamy. I recently met up a 4th DNA cousin also from Åland but we haven’t found out how yet. Thanks to you, I now know why. My family goes back to 1633 in the Åland Islands.
Oh! I'm very excited to have a term for what occurs in my grandmother's grandmother's side of the tree. I can trace it back to colonial New England and I've got several double familial relations and multiple branches that criss-cross each other. I knew enough to know it wasn't all that weird given the low population of Europeans in 1600s and 1700s Mass/Connecticut but really have no clue how to explain it. Also glad my grandmother isn't alive and I don't have to explain this to her because when I think of having to tell her she wasn't as German as she thought she was is bad enough LoL
I don't descend from particularly endogamy-heavy communities, but my ancestors lived in small French villages so it did happened every now and then. So far I've found 2 pedigree collapse in my tree (within 7 generations), one from a 1st cousin marriage and the other one from a 2nd cousin marriage. Thank you from the great content as usual!
Actually I do remember my parents saying that they were very distant cousins. They’re from Somalia and are from the same tribe. Names are done by lineage (so child name, father name, grandfather name, so on and so forth), when I traced down with my grandmothers name (moms side) and my dads name there’s a common ancestor sometime down the line. But what would happen if I got with someone from a totally different place like Asia, Europe, etc? I assume we’d still be related but far more different compared to my parents.
It would be more distant/ancient and records may not even exist to prove it. But at some point in history y’all would still share an ancestor. Maybe it was an trader on the Silk Road 🤷🏽♂️
I've been working on our family's genealogy for the 30+ years, and discovered a few years ago that my parents are actually 7th cousins. Another cool thing - My paternal grandfather had 3 brothers that married 3 sisters in the early 1900s.
I noticed while I was researching on geni, I looked at someone I knew I was decended from on my dad's side and showed me how I was related to them on my mom's side (like 15th cousins). The thing is I think there might be a closer ancestor, but brick walls prevent me from finding out.
There is SO much endogamy going on in my family! We're from the Philippines and on a couple different branches of my tree my family's been in particular regions for at least 250 years. I have multiple double cousins and one who I'm related to in possibly 3 different ways... Luckily, if I manage to figure out who someone's ancestor is on one of those branches, it ends up being relatively easy to figure out how we're related.
Yes, I do come from an endogamous region: The Faroe Islands. My parents are 6th or 7th cousins but I think it's 2 or 3 times over. I haven't done DNA testing yet but I get more and more tempted every day, so one of these days, I will do one. Now, a question if I may: Based on 1) that my genealogy work's suggestion that all my ancestry will be Nordic/Scandinavian with a few lines going into Nothern Germany and maybe some Slavic areas (these are just hints, I have no proof yet) and 2) that studies suggest that the Faroese male DNA is around 87% Nordic and Faroese female DNA is around 84% Gaelic (so British Isles), is there any DNA test that is particularly advantageous for me to take or will taking more than one be a better solution? Thanks, and keep up the good work.
It depends on what you are looking for from the DNA test. My focus is always genealogy and finding genetic matches, so if this is also your focus then Ancestry would likely be a good place to start because it has the largest database but you would want to get into all of the databases for the best results (more databases equals more matches). In my experience, MyHeritage is a good place to start if you are looking to connect with relatives in Europe because they seem to have larger numbers of European based testers overall -especially in Eastern Europe and Slavic countries) - although MyHeritage also allows uploads from other websites. If your goal with DNA testing is just for the ethnicity admixture, that is a lot harder to answer because all the tests will give you slightly different results that basically say the same thing. Your only advantage is companies who offer some form of Genetic Communities, where they tell you more specific communities to which you have a likely familial connection. Ancestry, MyHeritage, and 23andMe all offer these - but MyHeritage is the only one of these three that allows uploads.
@@GeneaVlogger Yeah, I figured that my question was probably a bit vague. I have traced my family tree several centuries back and I can at least document about all my 2nd and fairly close to all my 3rd cousins as is even if I personally don't know them all so I think I'm more looking to confirm whether my 200-300 year old link to some areas outside the Nordic area actually exists or not. So, thanks for your answer, and I think I will be looking at either ancestry or 23andMe and then maybe also uploading those results to MyHeritage. Again, thanks.
I used to help go through old records, marriage ones as well as others, it was part of a process that help get records online to help people with their family history research, I was surprised to see how often widows/widowers would marry close relatives of their late spouses this would be another you would get descendants related in multiple ways.
I can’t wait to tell my partner about the possibilities of us being related :) but in all seriousness thank you for this information, it’s fascinating to learn about stuff like this, being able to understand that yea we have a relation, but at the same time to what extent are we related! Thanks for the information mate and or cuz
French Canadian here. I can find at least 56 different ways that I'm related to Zacharie Cloutier, an early settler in Canada. (I say at least because my 3rd great grandmother was adopted and given the statistics she must be descended from him in half a dozen ways...). Pretty much half the people in my tree had a marriage dispensation to marry their third or fourth cousins. It is said Cloutier is a common ancestor to over 95% of French Canadians alive today. (Statistically speaking)
My great grandmother was French Canadian and I’m one of the few French Canadians to cannot trace their ancestry to Louis Hebert or Zachary Cloutier. Almost all Montreal area
I am descended from Zacharie Cloutier also. My great grandmother Catherine Livernois Vasher (1860-1900) was descended from Zacharie by way of his daughter Anne Cloutier Drouin (spouse
Anne Cloutier (daughter of Zacharie Cloutier, and married to Robert Drouin), also one of her brothers is an ancestor of my great grandfather Michel Vasher (who married Catherine Livernois (1860-1900)) They we're 7th cousins once removed. There may be other instances where I am descended from the same ancestor more than once. (Google broke off previous reply.
@@michaelrochester48 that makes sense, the Cloutier and Hebert were in the Quebec city area, they did spread everywhere but the chances are lower in Montreal.
Considering the truly catastrophic amount of pedigree collapse among Jews, I'm still surprised you didn't find any cousin marriages within the last 200 years of my family tree.
I have double cousins. My aunt & uncle introduced my parents to each other. My aunt is sister to my mom, and my uncle is brother to my father. So their two daughters are double cousins to me and my brothers.
That's like when my brother's wife wanted me to hook up with her brother lol. I said that's kind of weird, she said nahh that's already happened in her family with her grandparents.
Found double cousins and double aunts/uncles in my tree. A cousin of my mom’s on her mom’s side married an uncle of my mom’s on her dad’s side. Then there’s the Irish confusing double cousins on my mom’s side from the early 1800s. A pair of brothers married a pair of sisters. When both had their first sons, both boys received their mother’s maiden name as their first name. On several trees, nobody keeps an eye on sorting this out.
Same here. My grandma and her sister married my grandfather and his brother. My maternal grandmothers cousin married my maternal grandfather’s brother.
Given that all four of my grandparents are from the same small island (~20 miles across) in the Atlantic, there might be a little bit of endogamy in my family. Just maybe.
This is crazy! It's amazing how many great grandparents we have! It makes me think that people in my area might be related to me only about 200 years ago
I'm from South Carolina originally and I would have never guessed that my genealogy would be so endogamous but it is. One of my first cousins is related to me at least 3's and another first cousins once removed is too! I've only gone back to around 1870-1805 on six of my 2 time great-grandparents line and one that just won't stop to Scotland but all of my ancestors are from South Carolina. I'm pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to endogamy in my family lines. Great video as always!
There is a common joke that every second person is called Bruce in Australia. This is because a free settler in the Sydney colony financed other people from fife Scotland to come to the colony as skilled free settlers. He turned the convict settlement into a city. He brought out wheelwrights, saddlers, potters, lace makers, etc all with the surname bruce. In Fife almost everyone is in the bruce family. [Its not a clan in the Scottish sense because it predates the clan system. ] So there was an area of Sydney, just north of central station and Hay market, that was populated with over a hundred people named bruce. I'm not sure what this selection process is called but it resulted in a lot of closely related people ending up in Sydney. To this day we do not know who was funding the operation back in fife but they had deep pockets.
Interesting. There were also a lot of people from Fife who emmigrated to Victoria during the Gold Rush. I’m decended from one who was also the ancestor of the wartime (and longest serving) Australian Prime Minister Robert Gordon “Bob” Menzies
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As I'm from a rather isolated region (Finland) that also kept good records for many hundreds of years many of my family trees can be traced back quite far. Already ~300-400 years back I start encountering some names that 2 of my grandparents have in common for example. The oldest recorded Finnish ancestry I can trace (about 600-700 years back) consists of individuals that ALL my grandparents have in common. In a couple traceable lines I also encounter nobility around year 1600, and being European nobility... well from there you trace right back to the royal lines and all the royal lines intermarried for so long that you can follow your ancestry in those lines for millennia. As you explain, that's not exactly unique. Practically everybody else is also related to these individuals nearly a thousand years back or more, but I still find it fascinating to be able to trace the unbroken line generation by generation from some nobody like myself to men like Harald Bluetooth or Yaroslav the Wise that lived a thousand years before I was even born.
I am a Cajun and have done a DNA test and a lot of the DNA matches I have no idea who they are but are supposedly very closely related! Thank you for this video explaining why :)
I too have found a lot of DNA matches in America which is surprising to me as I am first generation American on both sides. I would guess that some relatives of my family came over prior to the 20th Century. ?🧐?
If you’re matches are above 200 cM those are close relatives. Once you get to less than 40cM, they aren’t always related to you. If you don’t know how they are related, their might be a error (aka Non Parental Event) in your tree
My mother's line were the original families of Virginia. Thus, I am a 5th Great Granddaughter of PATRICK HENRY "Give me Liberty or Give me Death". Since the Colonies were a small population the families are all interconnected. Recently, I found also a connection to the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Doing genealogy for a long time and having researched over 70,000 links to my tree as of this date I am related to everyone!!!! My father's line were Prussian Jews that came to Baltimore, Maryland in 1850 and went West, they were the Pioneer Jews of Utah. I have my DNA on two sites and this gives me new Cousins daily. Genealogy is a review of history of your relatives. How and where we get to is simply amazing.
One endogamous population was the one of the island of Menorca, of which a part would immigrate to Algeria after it was colonised by the French and constitute a really big part of the European population in Algeria. If you have at least one ancester from Menorca, you should be linked to pretty much all of these people in Algeria, and their descendants who mostly immigrated to France after Algeria's independence in 1962.
I think the Pitcairn Islands has all descendants of the mutiny on the bounty survivors from Fletcher Christian on. One of the descendants of Fletcher Christian was Errol Flynn who obviously was also a descendent of natives there
I descend from surten families in 6 to 10 ways all from the province of Drenthe in the Netherlands, they were all wealthy farmers. Than my parents also have a common ancestor around 1600 in Utrecht. Than I also have a common ancestor with my aunt related through marriage with my fathers brother around 1650 in Amsterdam, this is through my mothers father grandmothers side. and have a few more connections like that. I did an ancestry dna test but about 4000 matches unfortunately not to many have tested in my (extended) family but I can connect to people who live in the US on my mothers side who I have a common ancestor with around 1750 and further away also a little closer in 1833.
Great video, I shared it with a group as well. For the endogamy mentioned at the end concerning Cuba. Although it's an island, I'm not sure to what degree it's endogamous. I'd imagine there'd be pockets of that but I could not be sure to what extent. But we're looking at people from different locations in Spain, including the Canary Islands, across centuries, plus other European countries in smaller numbers, and Africans in large numbers, to name the most prominent ones. But then there were levels of society with different classes, with those that kept within their groups and those that did not. There was also immigration from the US into the island and immigration from the Americas broadly, though at lower numbers in both accounts. Within those groups, there must have been endogamy prior to arrival, such as Canary Islanders but not limited to that. I'm not sure to what extent endogamy would be considered predominant enough to merit the classification, but I'm not discounting it either. The native aspect which some studies have been done on, mention migration from the Americas briefly, but they under value the importance. The Native Cuban population did not survive those early years of European expansion, and this was also mentioned in some studies. The average native markers found in lower amounts are likely from the Americas into Cuba and perhaps from the original islanders, maybe. At this point we are looking at over 500 years of peoples populating the island at different times and from various parts of the world. Currently the population on the island is about 11 million, so it's a fair amount of people but not the largest population on the planet. Just food for thought concerning Cuba, there are other considerations I left out. I'm neither for of against any of it either way, but I wrote this for clarity, Great video!
My mom was from Ireland and from a specific region in County Kerry where the same X number of families intermarried over and over again. And they all had the same names so tracing the exact "Mary O'Sullivan" is tricky, to say the least. And then my dad's maternal side had endogamy because they were Nova Scotians. Same thing with the same X number of families intermarrying depending on the county/town.
Great Video. I'm related to my 1/2 second cousin 2 different ways my grandmother married her step father's nephew. On a different paternal line, my 5x great grandfather is also my 7x great grandfather.
On my dad's side, my great-grandfather and his brother married a pair of sisters. The same thing happened on my mother's side: my great-grandfather married a woman whose brother married his sister. There would have been one more of these unions on my mother's side, but the groom-to-be was killed while serving in Italy during WWII.
When you mentioned endogamy and multi-way descent (I don't know what else to call it) I thought, "Early royal families, anyone?" And the study shown at 8:00 had me basically screaming at the screen, "CHARLEMAGNE!" In other words, it sounds like the Charlemagne theory holds!
My dad's oldest brother had a son with his first wife. Then remarried his second wife. She ended up being a descendant from the Smith family and thru genealogy I found out she was a distant cousin to my mother. I later found out that my uncle's first son had also married a woman who was also descended from that same Smith family line. So My dad, his brother and his brother's son all married women from the same Smith family lineage making their children double cousins to each other in both the Klein family and in the Smith family lines. Blew my mind away how random that was that these 3 men married women from the same line of descendancy who had no clue they were related to each other..
In doing my family tree, early San Diego history, I've noticed the same surnames marrying into the family in numerous generations. My first thought....oh no! Glad to hear this is a common occurrence! lol
To my knowledge all my grandparents descend from one guy born in the 1500s, one of them twice. So I'm at least a 5 times descendant from the same person.
At 8:38, the image has 8 of my ancestors: Sir William Gascoigne, Elizabeth Gascoigne, Anne Talboys, Frances Dymoke, Mildred Windebank, George Read, Mildred Read and Elizabeth Warner. (me and how many others?)
My grandfather had two brothers who ended up marrying two sisters and the children ended up becoming double cousins. The same thing happened with a recent generation.
This has happened twice (different branches of the family) in my family within the past fifty years. In both cases it was a brother/sister marrying a brother/sister. But this was definitely more common years ago.
I believe that most Americans only think of the emperor of Germany before the end of World War I. While the Holy Roman Emperor was generally from a German noble house although mixed the official language of the Holy Roman Empire was Latin. Even though the rulers of the Austria Empire which later became the Austro -Hungarian Empire could be called Kaiser - most Americans would not think of those rulers.
The Queen - Super Royal Prince Charles - Royaller every day Prince Andrew, Edward, Princess Anne - meh, not as Royal as they used to be. Prince William - Promisingly Royal. Prince Harry - married a commoner. Kids of Andrew, Edward, Anne - Technically not even princes or princesses. William's Kids - Royal and Cute Harry's Kids - Private, hands off! Grandkids of Andrew, Edward, Anne - hey, anyone want to get married? I'm the Queen's great-grandkid y'know! Basically, apart from first-borns, pretty much anyone can marry a King or Queen's descendant after a few generations. And this is just the current queen. There are millions of descendants of earlier kings and queens knocking about. Everyone in Europe, pretty much.
@@stephenderry9488 Not to mention many a king or nobleman has had affairs and mistresses in the past, too -- and thus illegitimate children. In England, last names starting with "Fitz-" (from an old Norman French word for "son of") were often given to illegitimate children instead of their father's family name, e.g. Fitzgerald. And Fitzroy meant "son of (a) king" -- from the same root as "royal".
Elvis Presley is one who has a double first cousin, as his Father and his brother both married a pair of sisters. Hope that makes sense lol Very interesting, I knew a bunch of Americans descend from King John.. I just didn't realize how prolific it was. It isn't rare at all, and anyone who you view as bragging on being royal descent is probably a cousin, and also a descendant of King John... they just don't know it. I also found alot of marriages based on class. I found alot of great grandfather county sheriffs in England as intermarrying within the families of other county sheriffs. Rich merchant families married other merchant's children. It went all up and down the class system, but their were always people who married a bit lower or higher in class up to Royals, Dukes, etc. Most of us(commoners) it seems come from sisters or younger brothers of the people who inherited. The ones who inherited titles or came from the elder male lines are still living in castles, and "in power" today. Thanks!!
Spot on. History only pays attention to first-borns and the male line, but younger sons and daughters, not to mention illegitimate children were often forced to cast a wider net in life. They were more likely to join the army or merchant navy, more likely to emigrate or step down a class. And of course their children then spread the same genes further and wider.
Back during the print everything out on charts days, I covered my entire 20x15 foot living room floor in overlapping pages of small print genealogy chart lines... Then I had colored string to tie together the endogamy I found in Norman England and pre France for a few hundred years in just two lines- so I didn't have to print duplicate pages backwards from that point for each and cover even MORE floorspace. I found of course that, other than a few dead end family or mother lines in research, they kept getting closer and closer to the key well documented family lines in Europe... Because THOSE LINES WERE THE ONES THAT SURVIVED WELL. 💁 And in looking sideways and down in many European lines over time I noted that VERY FEW other lines from siblings of my direct ancestors continued down past bottleneck points like plagues or mass warfare or severe food/weather crisis... and more than a few with status and means died out seemingly from no living children- and I do wonder if that was from further endogamy in Euro-stayed lines vs the lines that cross-pollinated with new lines in the US 🤔
Excellent video. If we watch it several times, shouldn't we be able to 'Like' it a few times? My Grandmother's sister married my Grandfather's brother at the same ceremony. They did that to save money they said, as if attraction didn't play a role. Their joke. A woman baptized in 1692 married her Father's son from a first marriage. He was much much older than her. He died soon. She even had 2 children with him, her half brother.. unless it was a mistake in the research of a genealogist. She married again. Her husband wasn't so old but after 5 more kids had been born, he also died. So she married a third time and low and behold, she had a 14th male son who launched our family into being. That Margarethe had to make the effort to give birth to an amazing 14 children to get us into the world. Her last husband married again after her death. So we are related to all of the children from all of their multiple marriages. That gets tricky and then you are related to everyone in town and everyone from sea to shining sea.
Area I lived where I had my earliest memories in SW MOntana (Madison County) basically covers two river valleys, the Madison and the Ruby. My dad's family was a pioneer family on the Ruby, and in fact m paternal grandma, as well as my dad's boots, chaps, and saddle are in the Virginia City historical museum LOL. My mother's mother's family was also a pioneer family, but in the Madison River Valley (on the Madison as we used to say). When my mom died in 94, I took her ashes back to be buried next to my dad, who's buried in a cemetery in the Ruby Valley (town of Sheridan). My cousin on my dad's side was with me the night I met with the mortician for him to fill out the info for mom's interment, and cousin Audrey talked about my dad's family's history (her mom was his younger sister), and I learned a lot that night abt my dad's family I hadn't known before. After the moritician filled out al lthe info from my mom's death certificate, he asked me where she was born, her maiden name, her father's name, and her mother's maiden name. Now my maternal grandpa was an only child, who'd moved to the area form Colorado, when he met and married my grandma (he was a cowboy riding trail herd, she was a schoolmarm--the classic western movie cliche). When the mortician heard my grandma's maiden name, he slapped his desk and said, "Damn! You DO have roots here! I told him, "I tell all my friends I'm related to half the county." (Our family moved to California in the mid 60s). His reply? "Half the county, hell! You're related to 90% of it!" So, yeah, I heard what you're saying about "pedigree collapse". LOL Oh, and this is all in 3 generations on my dad's side and 4 on my mom's.
Thank you for posting this video. I did my DNA test years ago. Im about to do it again. Because DNA testing has come so far since then. My daughter just had her DNA test done. She wanted to know her father's side. But i was trying to explain this same issue to her.
I only have 30 great-great-great-grandparents (at least as far as I know) since my grandparents were 2nd cousins. His mom & her dad were 1st cousins, and their dads were brothers. I have 2nd cousins on the other side of my family who are double cousins (or in their case 1 1/2-x cousins, since their mothers had different biological fathers). I also have great-great-grandparents on that side of the family who were, if I am reading correctly, 3rd cousins once removed. I am unaware of how closely my parents were related, but since they both had mostly English ancestry, they are not too far apart.
I'm from a part that was rumored to have lots of pedigree collapse. I've done some genealogy and om back at least 6 generations all ways up, and sure many live in the same neighborhood but the only collapse i've found is two brothers marring two sisters but since i'm only directly related to one of those brothers it doesn't give any collapse for me. But just because a mother if married to a man he doesn't have do be the father and going some generations up that may occure.
That's not what pedigree collapse is. Two brothers marrying two sisters is only a small part of what was described here in this video. And that's the double cousin phenomenon. If any people from a small place marry other people from the same place generations after generations, which is what we call endogamy, chances are some of these people end-up marrying cousins (even without knowing if they are distant cousins who are so distantly related they never heard of the possible connexion) and when these married cousins have kids, there you have your pedigree collapse! You may not spot such things easily in your family tree. It's easy to miss, especially if some first cousin of your great-grandfather or great-grandmother somehow vanished from the known accounts regarding family history (for various reasons like family disputes, went to war and never came back, leaving a wife and kids at home who had zero interactions with your own branch of the family...). There may be an entire line stemming from that individual who shares a direct ancestor with your grandma or grandpa and you can't see it. More difficult even when for some reason the usual way family names are passed down hasn't been applying.
If there are family rumors of pedigree collapse, you may want to take a DNA test and create a DNA verified tree. It sounds like maybe someone had a baby with someone they were “not supposed” to have a baby with... this wouldn’t necessarily show up in marriage and birth records. In genealogy this is called a NPE. I found that family rumors tend to be true but the secret details won’t be in the paperwork... For example, my great aunts son was her step son and that son married my great aunts nephews wife’s ... sometimes the “parents” are the real parents
My paternal line is an endogamous population of colonial Flushing, Queens. I am descended from the same families over and over, and I am descended from my furthest back paternal ancestor 2 times
i found out recently that my great great grandparents were first cousins once removed (however the one who was younger married her first cousins son who was older than her by 6 months). i also find it cool that my mom has a few double cousins because my grandma and her sister married my grandpa and his brother! im sure i have more pedigree collapse going up, especially since i have a slight amount of ashkenazi jewish heritage.
I’m from several endogenous and pedigree collapse population include Jewish, Amazonian and Chibcha. So far, I found that my grandpa’s first and second wife were his cousins. His daughter married his first cousins son. So my cousin is his own cousin!
Thanks for that. My family has many intermarriages. Just a small mention- my paternal grandparents- including my grandparents two females and two males from each family married each other, my grandparents and one other couple had 11 and 9 children, three sons of one side married three daughters of the other couple. John Hicks married Salley Seller, four children Mary Hannah, George, Richard and Sarah, Thomas Sleep married Elizabeth Nancarrow, their four John Henry, Edith, Beatrice and Alfred. In order is whom married whom. Then two first of each family are the two who married and three children married each other Hicks- Clarence, Les and Jack married Ivy, Eunice and Elsie. Cornish heritage with Aussie Methodist dripping (lots of)
Early Georgia family on my mother’s side. Don’t know if they are technically an endogamous group, but I’ve found cousins I’m related to in 6-7 different ways, without even tracing all their lines back.
My parents are multiple related as distant cousins and they did not know it at the time and it was too distant to be a particular genetic issue because of it
I’m curious what my Russian roots will look like. I’m adopted so I have no clue if I have a significant about of perigee collapse or not. Very interesting!
How do you get a profile on geni to be a master profile? I have some relatives that are notable and I believe they should be added as master profiles, and I am not sure if I need to message a curator or someone that could help?
Just contact a Curator and ask them to make it a master profile. You can also post on this discussion board to request a profile be made an MP - www.geni.com/discussions/217560
Just stop and consider for a moment: when your prospective mate for life (or just you steady date) takes you home to meet their family, you're meeting your family, too, cousin. Pretty much wherever you live, and no further than 13th degree in general.
I would assume people from Caribbean islands like Martinique, Guadeloupe and Saint Lucia are endogamous populations... The thing that makes matters more complicated is that the people living in these spaces have either been displaced or have migrated a lot across the entire region (the Americas) over the transatlantic slave trade era and the centuries that followed. So we find DNA matches (some of them close) with a lot of people from other islands, South America, the U.S. and Canada. It's almost as if there's a wider pocket for that endogamy within which each particular island from the region has developed another level of endogamy, if that makes sense. Endogamy at a regional level and at island level. There are several cases of double cousins in my paternal family. Several brothers/sisters of my paternal grandmother and grandfather got married and my own paternal aunt's ended-up in a situation that always turns my brain upsidedown. Aunt A married Dude A who had a sister I will call sister J. Aunt K married Dude K who has brothers. Dude K's brother married sister J. So my aunt's children are my first cousins (no confusion here) but they're also first cousins with sister J's kids (who aren't my cousins). The most confusing part is that Dude K's mom is the maternal aunt of... one of the rare first cousins of my dad and aunt's who isn't a double first cousin. So my aunt K's husband is first cousin with my aunt K's paternal first cousin JC and his siblings... 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ Moving on... My dad, myself and one of my children got our DNA tested and one of my dad's double cousin's kid (I wasn't in contact with until 2 years ago) did too. Unsurprisingly, the various platforms we uploaded to matched us as estimated first cousins in most cases. That's double cousins for you...
Lordy, talk about endogamy and pedigree collapse, I have a 2nd great grandmother who's mother was the product of 1st cousins, and each of their parents were 1st cousins. Also, her father's father was the product of 1st cousins. This mess started in the mid 1700's in Virginia.
Things I learned from this video:
1. I am related to all US Presidents
2. Everyone else is also related to all US Presidents
3. Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
Imma ruin that 69 likes
You didnt know that
You know um Paul Thomas my like 4×76th cousin 2 removed great uncles son well we are all related
(That was an estimate)
hello Paul Thomas my 25th cousin
I'm not related to them
they are more related to each other
4:47 is extremely powerful stuff. Great job with this, cousin!
You, along with Useful Charts and Genea Vlogger are awesome!
Hello Cousin Mr Beats!! 👋👋
Hi 20th cousin 10 times removed-james a Garfield
I’m African American and found a pedigree collapse of the “Whitehead” surname of Southampton, Virginia 3x in my family tree. I’m still combing through the records, but I learn it is most likely because I descend from free black people and there weren’t a lot of us in the early 1800s
I have a whitehead in my family tree from Southampton County Virginia. Who knows, we might be distant relatives.
THERE WERE VERY WEALTHY BLACK PEOPLE IN EUROPE. MAYBE ENGLAND OR LONDON.
Lol. Oh wow i know some Whitehead family members too
Wait so... all the way back? As in black people that came to the US and never had any involvement in the slave trade? Why are we not taught about this? I'm mostly Hispanic, but my paternal grandfather's paternal grandmother was a black Cuban woman in the 1800s so my connection to the triangle trade is different from people in the US, but still, I literally didn't even know until a few years ago until I sat down all my great aunts and grandparents to document as much of our history as possible, and since then I've been obsessed with our genealogy. It's very easy to find the documents that go back to Spain several hundred years ago before Cuba, but I'm still stuck with my great great grandmother and have no way to go much further back.
Any advice?
Yes, there was a community of free African Americans who came over during the Jamestown and Williamsburg settled as indentured servants. After they had worked off their debt, they were freed and there's even documentation showing that there was relative equality between free black colonist and their socially equal counterparts as the society at that point was about class more than color. The population was not huge, but they had the same rights as free whites and socialized freely and mutually between groups until the latter part of the 17th century.
Answer to your question, yes. Puerto Rican here; I knew about my pedigree collapse, and endogamy being part of living on an island, still I was extremely shocked to see 100,000+ matches on Ancestry. This video was almost as hearing a description of my family tree.
Me too. 158,000 ancestry matches and almost all are Puerto Rican. My husband only has 34k and my mom (non Hispanic) only has 28k. My husband is actually descended from a pretty isolated New England town and has plenty of pedigree collapse, but not as much as on my side, lol.
How can you tell how many matches you have on Ancestry? I only see 4th cousins and closer.
I'm a full blooded French Canadian and I have found several pedigree collapses in both sides of my own family tree. By finding out that my parents are 9th cousins on several occasions on each side of my family tree. The families I found that both my parents have in common are the St. Pierre, Levesque, and Belanger family lines. Both of these families are on both sides of my family trees. And another connection I had found is that I am a descended through two men by the names of Jean Guyon and Zacherie Cloutier in several ways. Both men worked together in the building of the many colonial buildings in New France in the 17th century. But through Zacherie Cloutier I found that I am a descended through him through all five of his children spanning through both sides of my family tree from my dad and my mother.
Probably related to you, lol I have levesque and descend from Zachary and xainte cloutier. My grandparents descend from the same fille du roi or “a king’s daughter” Jeanne savonnet
I don’t recall those surnames in my tree (not all are finished) but my family comes from Acadia, Quebec and France.. Also German. But I’m just learning how the given name changes when they started making their way down to Louisiana and realized I’ve been butchering some names.
Another excellent presentation that clearly explains what can be a confusing topic that has many misconceptions
I noticed a lot of my common ancestors were inter marrying after a cousin gave me a book on the people of Åland (islands between Sweden and Finland) but I didn’t know it was called endogamy. I recently met up a 4th DNA cousin also from Åland but we haven’t found out how yet. Thanks to you, I now know why. My family goes back to 1633 in the Åland Islands.
Mr. Beat sent me! Love the video! Thanks bro! ✌️
Oh! I'm very excited to have a term for what occurs in my grandmother's grandmother's side of the tree. I can trace it back to colonial New England and I've got several double familial relations and multiple branches that criss-cross each other. I knew enough to know it wasn't all that weird given the low population of Europeans in 1600s and 1700s Mass/Connecticut but really have no clue how to explain it. Also glad my grandmother isn't alive and I don't have to explain this to her because when I think of having to tell her she wasn't as German as she thought she was is bad enough LoL
I don't descend from particularly endogamy-heavy communities, but my ancestors lived in small French villages so it did happened every now and then. So far I've found 2 pedigree collapse in my tree (within 7 generations), one from a 1st cousin marriage and the other one from a 2nd cousin marriage. Thank you from the great content as usual!
Actually I do remember my parents saying that they were very distant cousins. They’re from Somalia and are from the same tribe. Names are done by lineage (so child name, father name, grandfather name, so on and so forth), when I traced down with my grandmothers name (moms side) and my dads name there’s a common ancestor sometime down the line. But what would happen if I got with someone from a totally different place like Asia, Europe, etc? I assume we’d still be related but far more different compared to my parents.
It would be more distant/ancient and records may not even exist to prove it. But at some point in history y’all would still share an ancestor. Maybe it was an trader on the Silk Road 🤷🏽♂️
@@craigistheman101 I am on MyTrue Ancestry and Match DNA from the Silk Road. Makes sense to me. I knew I wasn't totally from Europe.
I've been working on our family's genealogy for the 30+ years, and discovered a few years ago that my parents are actually 7th cousins.
Another cool thing - My paternal grandfather had 3 brothers that married 3 sisters in the early 1900s.
Called double cousins
I noticed while I was researching on geni, I looked at someone I knew I was decended from on my dad's side and showed me how I was related to them on my mom's side (like 15th cousins). The thing is I think there might be a closer ancestor, but brick walls prevent me from finding out.
My Paternal Grandparents are 9th cousins, and my parents are 12th cousins twice removed
There is SO much endogamy going on in my family! We're from the Philippines and on a couple different branches of my tree my family's been in particular regions for at least 250 years. I have multiple double cousins and one who I'm related to in possibly 3 different ways... Luckily, if I manage to figure out who someone's ancestor is on one of those branches, it ends up being relatively easy to figure out how we're related.
Wow. Amazing video! Glad to have been tipped off to the channel by Matt Beat!!
Yes, I do come from an endogamous region: The Faroe Islands. My parents are 6th or 7th cousins but I think it's 2 or 3 times over. I haven't done DNA testing yet but I get more and more tempted every day, so one of these days, I will do one.
Now, a question if I may: Based on 1) that my genealogy work's suggestion that all my ancestry will be Nordic/Scandinavian with a few lines going into Nothern Germany and maybe some Slavic areas (these are just hints, I have no proof yet) and 2) that studies suggest that the Faroese male DNA is around 87% Nordic and Faroese female DNA is around 84% Gaelic (so British Isles), is there any DNA test that is particularly advantageous for me to take or will taking more than one be a better solution?
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
It depends on what you are looking for from the DNA test. My focus is always genealogy and finding genetic matches, so if this is also your focus then Ancestry would likely be a good place to start because it has the largest database but you would want to get into all of the databases for the best results (more databases equals more matches). In my experience, MyHeritage is a good place to start if you are looking to connect with relatives in Europe because they seem to have larger numbers of European based testers overall -especially in Eastern Europe and Slavic countries) - although MyHeritage also allows uploads from other websites. If your goal with DNA testing is just for the ethnicity admixture, that is a lot harder to answer because all the tests will give you slightly different results that basically say the same thing. Your only advantage is companies who offer some form of Genetic Communities, where they tell you more specific communities to which you have a likely familial connection. Ancestry, MyHeritage, and 23andMe all offer these - but MyHeritage is the only one of these three that allows uploads.
@@GeneaVlogger Yeah, I figured that my question was probably a bit vague. I have traced my family tree several centuries back and I can at least document about all my 2nd and fairly close to all my 3rd cousins as is even if I personally don't know them all so I think I'm more looking to confirm whether my 200-300 year old link to some areas outside the Nordic area actually exists or not. So, thanks for your answer, and I think I will be looking at either ancestry or 23andMe and then maybe also uploading those results to MyHeritage. Again, thanks.
I used to help go through old records, marriage ones as well as others, it was part of a process that help get records online to help people with their family history research, I was surprised to see how often widows/widowers would marry close relatives of their late spouses this would be another you would get descendants related in multiple ways.
Mmmm....so. True
What a day, Geneavlogger, Mr Beat, and Useful Charts. thank you
I can’t wait to tell my partner about the possibilities of us being related :) but in all seriousness thank you for this information, it’s fascinating to learn about stuff like this, being able to understand that yea we have a relation, but at the same time to what extent are we related! Thanks for the information mate and or cuz
“How man people thought it was gonna be Kentucky and Virginia?” OMG 😳😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
French Canadian here. I can find at least 56 different ways that I'm related to Zacharie Cloutier, an early settler in Canada. (I say at least because my 3rd great grandmother was adopted and given the statistics she must be descended from him in half a dozen ways...). Pretty much half the people in my tree had a marriage dispensation to marry their third or fourth cousins. It is said Cloutier is a common ancestor to over 95% of French Canadians alive today. (Statistically speaking)
My great grandmother was French Canadian and I’m one of the few French Canadians to cannot trace their ancestry to Louis Hebert or Zachary Cloutier. Almost all Montreal area
I am descended from Zacharie Cloutier also. My great grandmother Catherine Livernois Vasher (1860-1900) was descended from Zacharie by way of his daughter Anne Cloutier Drouin (spouse
Anne Cloutier (daughter of Zacharie Cloutier, and married to Robert Drouin), also one of her brothers is an ancestor of my great grandfather Michel Vasher (who married Catherine Livernois (1860-1900)) They we're 7th cousins once removed. There may be other instances where I am descended from the same ancestor more than once. (Google broke off previous reply.
I’m descended from Etienne Truteau, I’ll need to look at other lines in my tree to see if I can trace it to Cloutier, would be very interesting to see
@@michaelrochester48 that makes sense, the Cloutier and Hebert were in the Quebec city area, they did spread everywhere but the chances are lower in Montreal.
Considering the truly catastrophic amount of pedigree collapse among Jews, I'm still surprised you didn't find any cousin marriages within the last 200 years of my family tree.
Wow that rarely happens! How you taken a DNA test? It would be interesting to see what your shared cMs would compare to endogenous Jews...
I have double cousins.
My aunt & uncle introduced my parents to each other.
My aunt is sister to my mom, and my uncle is brother to my father.
So their two daughters are double cousins to me and my brothers.
That's like when my brother's wife wanted me to hook up with her brother lol. I said that's kind of weird, she said nahh that's already happened in her family with her grandparents.
Perhaps the most brutal depiction of pedigree collapse was the aftermath of the Finger Snap in Avengers: Endogamy.
LOL
Found double cousins and double aunts/uncles in my tree. A cousin of my mom’s on her mom’s side married an uncle of my mom’s on her dad’s side. Then there’s the Irish confusing double cousins on my mom’s side from the early 1800s. A pair of brothers married a pair of sisters. When both had their first sons, both boys received their mother’s maiden name as their first name. On several trees, nobody keeps an eye on sorting this out.
Same here. My grandma and her sister married my grandfather and his brother.
My maternal grandmothers cousin married my maternal grandfather’s brother.
Given that all four of my grandparents are from the same small island (~20 miles across) in the Atlantic, there might be a little bit of endogamy in my family. Just maybe.
I believe that the correct term should be "ancestor fusion" (when many ancestors are fused into one and the same person).
This is crazy! It's amazing how many great grandparents we have! It makes me think that people in my area might be related to me only about 200 years ago
That is fascinating. My sincere thanks to you for enlightening me.
Thanks for making this, cousin!
My head just exploded with information. Thank you.
I'm from South Carolina originally and I would have never guessed that my genealogy would be so endogamous but it is. One of my first cousins is related to me at least 3's and another first cousins once removed is too! I've only gone back to around 1870-1805 on six of my 2 time great-grandparents line and one that just won't stop to Scotland but all of my ancestors are from South Carolina. I'm pretty sure this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to endogamy in my family lines. Great video as always!
Got here from Mr. Beat through usefulcharts
There is a common joke that every second person is called Bruce in Australia. This is because a free settler in the Sydney colony financed other people from fife Scotland to come to the colony as skilled free settlers. He turned the convict settlement into a city. He brought out wheelwrights, saddlers, potters, lace makers, etc all with the surname bruce. In Fife almost everyone is in the bruce family. [Its not a clan in the Scottish sense because it predates the clan system. ] So there was an area of Sydney, just north of central station and Hay market, that was populated with over a hundred people named bruce. I'm not sure what this selection process is called but it resulted in a lot of closely related people ending up in Sydney. To this day we do not know who was funding the operation back in fife but they had deep pockets.
Interesting. There were also a lot of people from Fife who emmigrated to Victoria during the Gold Rush. I’m decended from one who was also the ancestor of the wartime (and longest serving) Australian Prime Minister Robert Gordon “Bob” Menzies
Your knowledge is a treasure. You should write all your knowledge in VOLUMES of books.
You might think your information is basic for genealogists but YOU UNIQUELY present the information and draw in people because of your style and structure. Thank you for sharing your talent with us all.😊
As I'm from a rather isolated region (Finland) that also kept good records for many hundreds of years many of my family trees can be traced back quite far.
Already ~300-400 years back I start encountering some names that 2 of my grandparents have in common for example. The oldest recorded Finnish ancestry I can trace (about 600-700 years back) consists of individuals that ALL my grandparents have in common.
In a couple traceable lines I also encounter nobility around year 1600, and being European nobility... well from there you trace right back to the royal lines and all the royal lines intermarried for so long that you can follow your ancestry in those lines for millennia.
As you explain, that's not exactly unique. Practically everybody else is also related to these individuals nearly a thousand years back or more, but I still find it fascinating to be able to trace the unbroken line generation by generation from some nobody like myself to men like Harald Bluetooth or Yaroslav the Wise that lived a thousand years before I was even born.
Wow, really fascinating thanks!!
I am Brazilian and I am related to the American presidents too. I would never imagine that.
I am a Cajun and have done a DNA test and a lot of the DNA matches I have no idea who they are but are supposedly very closely related! Thank you for this video explaining why :)
I too have found a lot of DNA matches in America which is surprising to me as I am first generation American on both sides. I would guess that some relatives of my family came over prior to the 20th Century. ?🧐?
@@loislewis5229 exactly
If you’re matches are above 200 cM those are close relatives. Once you get to less than 40cM, they aren’t always related to you. If you don’t know how they are related, their might be a error (aka Non Parental Event) in your tree
My mother's line were the original families of Virginia. Thus, I am a 5th Great Granddaughter of PATRICK HENRY "Give me Liberty or Give me Death". Since the Colonies were a small population the families are all interconnected. Recently, I found also a connection to the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Doing genealogy for a long time and having researched over 70,000 links to my tree as of this date I am related to everyone!!!! My father's line were Prussian Jews that came to Baltimore, Maryland in 1850 and went West, they were the Pioneer Jews of Utah. I have my DNA on two sites and this gives me new Cousins daily. Genealogy is a review of history of your relatives. How and where we get to is simply amazing.
One endogamous population was the one of the island of Menorca, of which a part would immigrate to Algeria after it was colonised by the French and constitute a really big part of the European population in Algeria. If you have at least one ancester from Menorca, you should be linked to pretty much all of these people in Algeria, and their descendants who mostly immigrated to France after Algeria's independence in 1962.
I think the Pitcairn Islands has all descendants of the mutiny on the bounty survivors from Fletcher Christian on. One of the descendants of Fletcher Christian was Errol Flynn who obviously was also a descendent of natives there
5:48 blew my mind 😳
Here from Mr. beat’s channel. 👁👄👁 I’m shocked about all this! 💜👏 so I have the bloood of a leader lmao
We all have the bloooood
I descend from surten families in 6 to 10 ways all from the province of Drenthe in the Netherlands, they were all wealthy farmers. Than my parents also have a common ancestor around 1600 in Utrecht. Than I also have a common ancestor with my aunt related through marriage with my fathers brother around 1650 in Amsterdam, this is through my mothers father grandmothers side. and have a few more connections like that.
I did an ancestry dna test but about 4000 matches unfortunately not to many have tested in my (extended) family but I can connect to people who live in the US on my mothers side who I have a common ancestor with around 1750 and further away also a little closer in 1833.
Great video, I shared it with a group as well. For the endogamy mentioned at the end concerning Cuba. Although it's an island, I'm not sure to what degree it's endogamous. I'd imagine there'd be pockets of that but I could not be sure to what extent. But we're looking at people from different locations in Spain, including the Canary Islands, across centuries, plus other European countries in smaller numbers, and Africans in large numbers, to name the most prominent ones. But then there were levels of society with different classes, with those that kept within their groups and those that did not. There was also immigration from the US into the island and immigration from the Americas broadly, though at lower numbers in both accounts. Within those groups, there must have been endogamy prior to arrival, such as Canary Islanders but not limited to that. I'm not sure to what extent endogamy would be considered predominant enough to merit the classification, but I'm not discounting it either. The native aspect which some studies have been done on, mention migration from the Americas briefly, but they under value the importance. The Native Cuban population did not survive those early years of European expansion, and this was also mentioned in some studies. The average native markers found in lower amounts are likely from the Americas into Cuba and perhaps from the original islanders, maybe. At this point we are looking at over 500 years of peoples populating the island at different times and from various parts of the world. Currently the population on the island is about 11 million, so it's a fair amount of people but not the largest population on the planet. Just food for thought concerning Cuba, there are other considerations I left out. I'm neither for of against any of it either way, but I wrote this for clarity, Great video!
My mothers great grandfather had over 200 grandchildren and died when he was in his 90’s.
My mom was from Ireland and from a specific region in County Kerry where the same X number of families intermarried over and over again. And they all had the same names so tracing the exact "Mary O'Sullivan" is tricky, to say the least. And then my dad's maternal side had endogamy because they were Nova Scotians. Same thing with the same X number of families intermarrying depending on the county/town.
I am also related to a Sullivan from County Kerry, who married her first cousin.
Great Video. I'm related to my 1/2 second cousin 2 different ways my grandmother married her step father's nephew. On a different paternal line, my 5x great grandfather is also my 7x great grandfather.
Wait... he is his own grandpa? 😀
On my dad's side, my great-grandfather and his brother married a pair of sisters. The same thing happened on my mother's side: my great-grandfather married a woman whose brother married his sister. There would have been one more of these unions on my mother's side, but the groom-to-be was killed while serving in Italy during WWII.
When you mentioned endogamy and multi-way descent (I don't know what else to call it) I thought, "Early royal families, anyone?"
And the study shown at 8:00 had me basically screaming at the screen, "CHARLEMAGNE!" In other words, it sounds like the Charlemagne theory holds!
My dad's oldest brother had a son with his first wife. Then remarried his second wife. She ended up being a descendant from the Smith family and thru genealogy I found out she was a distant cousin to my mother. I later found out that my uncle's first son had also married a woman who was also descended from that same Smith family line. So My dad, his brother and his brother's son all married women from the same Smith family lineage making their children double cousins to each other in both the Klein family and in the Smith family lines. Blew my mind away how random that was that these 3 men married women from the same line of descendancy who had no clue they were related to each other..
Oh, I love this topic. :) Thank you.
I can't decide whether to have my mind blown or feel weirded out 🤣
In doing my family tree, early San Diego history, I've noticed the same surnames marrying into the family in numerous generations. My first thought....oh no! Glad to hear this is a common occurrence! lol
To my knowledge all my grandparents descend from one guy born in the 1500s, one of them twice. So I'm at least a 5 times descendant from the same person.
I WENT BACK TO DOUBLE DIGITS IN MY FAMILY TREE. WE ARE ALL FROM ROYALTY!
At 8:38, the image has 8 of my ancestors: Sir William Gascoigne, Elizabeth Gascoigne, Anne Talboys, Frances Dymoke, Mildred Windebank, George Read, Mildred Read and Elizabeth Warner. (me and how many others?)
This was a very interesting video keep it up
My grandfather had two brothers who ended up marrying two sisters and the children ended up becoming double cousins. The same thing happened with a recent generation.
This has happened twice (different branches of the family) in my family within the past fifty years. In both cases it was a brother/sister marrying a brother/sister. But this was definitely more common years ago.
I believe that most Americans only think of the emperor of Germany before the end of World War I. While the Holy Roman Emperor was generally from a German noble house although mixed the official language of the Holy Roman Empire was Latin. Even though the rulers of the Austria Empire which later became the Austro -Hungarian Empire could be called Kaiser - most Americans would not think of those rulers.
Fascinating!
so well explained
Fantastic video 👌🏼 really insightful
But since Royalty married within the same few royal European families- would that cause us peons not to be so commonly related to them?
The Queen - Super Royal
Prince Charles - Royaller every day
Prince Andrew, Edward, Princess Anne - meh, not as Royal as they used to be.
Prince William - Promisingly Royal.
Prince Harry - married a commoner.
Kids of Andrew, Edward, Anne - Technically not even princes or princesses.
William's Kids - Royal and Cute
Harry's Kids - Private, hands off!
Grandkids of Andrew, Edward, Anne - hey, anyone want to get married? I'm the Queen's great-grandkid y'know!
Basically, apart from first-borns, pretty much anyone can marry a King or Queen's descendant after a few generations. And this is just the current queen. There are millions of descendants of earlier kings and queens knocking about. Everyone in Europe, pretty much.
@@stephenderry9488 Not to mention many a king or nobleman has had affairs and mistresses in the past, too -- and thus illegitimate children.
In England, last names starting with "Fitz-" (from an old Norman French word for "son of") were often given to illegitimate children instead of their father's family name, e.g. Fitzgerald. And Fitzroy meant "son of (a) king" -- from the same root as "royal".
I descend ten times from a couple born about 1630 (8th great-grandparents), so no surprises.
Elvis Presley is one who has a double first cousin, as his Father and his brother both married a pair of sisters. Hope that makes sense lol
Very interesting, I knew a bunch of Americans descend from King John.. I just didn't realize how prolific it was. It isn't rare at all, and anyone who you view as bragging on being royal descent is probably a cousin, and also a descendant of King John... they just don't know it.
I also found alot of marriages based on class. I found alot of great grandfather county sheriffs in England as intermarrying within the families of other county sheriffs. Rich merchant families married other merchant's children. It went all up and down the class system, but their were always people who married a bit lower or higher in class up to Royals, Dukes, etc. Most of us(commoners) it seems come from sisters or younger brothers of the people who inherited. The ones who inherited titles or came from the elder male lines are still living in castles, and "in power" today.
Thanks!!
Spot on. History only pays attention to first-borns and the male line, but younger sons and daughters, not to mention illegitimate children were often forced to cast a wider net in life. They were more likely to join the army or merchant navy, more likely to emigrate or step down a class. And of course their children then spread the same genes further and wider.
Back during the print everything out on charts days, I covered my entire 20x15 foot living room floor in overlapping pages of small print genealogy chart lines...
Then I had colored string to tie together the endogamy I found in Norman England and pre France for a few hundred years in just two lines- so I didn't have to print duplicate pages backwards from that point for each and cover even MORE floorspace.
I found of course that, other than a few dead end family or mother lines in research, they kept getting closer and closer to the key well documented family lines in Europe... Because THOSE LINES WERE THE ONES THAT SURVIVED WELL. 💁
And in looking sideways and down in many European lines over time I noted that VERY FEW other lines from siblings of my direct ancestors continued down past bottleneck points like plagues or mass warfare or severe food/weather crisis... and more than a few with status and means died out seemingly from no living children- and I do wonder if that was from further endogamy in Euro-stayed lines vs the lines that cross-pollinated with new lines in the US 🤔
Excellent video. If we watch it several times, shouldn't we be able to 'Like' it a few times?
My Grandmother's sister married my Grandfather's brother at the same ceremony. They did that to save money they said, as if attraction didn't play a role. Their joke. A woman baptized in 1692 married her Father's son from a first marriage. He was much much older than her. He died soon. She even had 2 children with him, her half brother.. unless it was a mistake in the research of a genealogist. She married again. Her husband wasn't so old but after 5 more kids had been born, he also died. So she married a third time and low and behold, she had a 14th male son who launched our family into being. That Margarethe had to make the effort to give birth to an amazing 14 children to get us into the world. Her last husband married again after her death. So we are related to all of the children from all of their multiple marriages. That gets tricky and then you are related to everyone in town and everyone from sea to shining sea.
you would have to check the source documents, there can be errors in names and ages even in original documents.
Area I lived where I had my earliest memories in SW MOntana (Madison County) basically covers two river valleys, the Madison and the Ruby. My dad's family was a pioneer family on the Ruby, and in fact m paternal grandma, as well as my dad's boots, chaps, and saddle are in the Virginia City historical museum LOL. My mother's mother's family was also a pioneer family, but in the Madison River Valley (on the Madison as we used to say). When my mom died in 94, I took her ashes back to be buried next to my dad, who's buried in a cemetery in the Ruby Valley (town of Sheridan). My cousin on my dad's side was with me the night I met with the mortician for him to fill out the info for mom's interment, and cousin Audrey talked about my dad's family's history (her mom was his younger sister), and I learned a lot that night abt my dad's family I hadn't known before.
After the moritician filled out al lthe info from my mom's death certificate, he asked me where she was born, her maiden name, her father's name, and her mother's maiden name. Now my maternal grandpa was an only child, who'd moved to the area form Colorado, when he met and married my grandma (he was a cowboy riding trail herd, she was a schoolmarm--the classic western movie cliche). When the mortician heard my grandma's maiden name, he slapped his desk and said, "Damn! You DO have roots here! I told him, "I tell all my friends I'm related to half the county." (Our family moved to California in the mid 60s).
His reply? "Half the county, hell! You're related to 90% of it!"
So, yeah, I heard what you're saying about "pedigree collapse". LOL
Oh, and this is all in 3 generations on my dad's side and 4 on my mom's.
Thank you for posting this video. I did my DNA test years ago. Im about to do it again. Because DNA testing has come so far since then. My daughter just had her DNA test done. She wanted to know her father's side. But i was trying to explain this same issue to her.
Fascinating info!
Came here from Matt. Thanks for the dive.
I only have 30 great-great-great-grandparents (at least as far as I know) since my grandparents were 2nd cousins. His mom & her dad were 1st cousins, and their dads were brothers. I have 2nd cousins on the other side of my family who are double cousins (or in their case 1 1/2-x cousins, since their mothers had different biological fathers). I also have great-great-grandparents on that side of the family who were, if I am reading correctly, 3rd cousins once removed. I am unaware of how closely my parents were related, but since they both had mostly English ancestry, they are not too far apart.
I'm 0% white, so y'all gotta go 40 generations or something
Your closest white ancestor is probably your 17th great grandfather wife’s 2nd cousins grandson or something
I'm from a part that was rumored to have lots of pedigree collapse. I've done some genealogy and om back at least 6 generations all ways up, and sure many live in the same neighborhood but the only collapse i've found is two brothers marring two sisters but since i'm only directly related to one of those brothers it doesn't give any collapse for me. But just because a mother if married to a man he doesn't have do be the father and going some generations up that may occure.
That's not what pedigree collapse is. Two brothers marrying two sisters is only a small part of what was described here in this video. And that's the double cousin phenomenon. If any people from a small place marry other people from the same place generations after generations, which is what we call endogamy, chances are some of these people end-up marrying cousins (even without knowing if they are distant cousins who are so distantly related they never heard of the possible connexion) and when these married cousins have kids, there you have your pedigree collapse!
You may not spot such things easily in your family tree. It's easy to miss, especially if some first cousin of your great-grandfather or great-grandmother somehow vanished from the known accounts regarding family history (for various reasons like family disputes, went to war and never came back, leaving a wife and kids at home who had zero interactions with your own branch of the family...). There may be an entire line stemming from that individual who shares a direct ancestor with your grandma or grandpa and you can't see it. More difficult even when for some reason the usual way family names are passed down hasn't been applying.
If there are family rumors of pedigree collapse, you may want to take a DNA test and create a DNA verified tree. It sounds like maybe someone had a baby with someone they were “not supposed” to have a baby with... this wouldn’t necessarily show up in marriage and birth records. In genealogy this is called a NPE. I found that family rumors tend to be true but the secret details won’t be in the paperwork...
For example, my great aunts son was her step son and that son married my great aunts nephews wife’s ... sometimes the “parents” are the real parents
@@AncestryNerd nope not familiar, it's more of a 'a living there is related' it seem not to be that true. I have checked my dna btw
A set of my 4th great-grandparents were first cousins. That was a fun discovery 15 years ago. That's the only set I've found so far.
My paternal line is an endogamous population of colonial Flushing, Queens. I am descended from the same families over and over, and I am descended from my furthest back paternal ancestor 2 times
i found out recently that my great great grandparents were first cousins once removed (however the one who was younger married her first cousins son who was older than her by 6 months). i also find it cool that my mom has a few double cousins because my grandma and her sister married my grandpa and his brother! im sure i have more pedigree collapse going up, especially since i have a slight amount of ashkenazi jewish heritage.
Interesting video
I am my own Grandpaw...🎶
I’m from several endogenous and pedigree collapse population include Jewish, Amazonian and Chibcha. So far, I found that my grandpa’s first and second wife were his cousins. His daughter married his first cousins son. So my cousin is his own cousin!
Thanks for that. My family has many intermarriages. Just a small mention- my paternal grandparents- including my grandparents two females and two males from each family married each other, my grandparents and one other couple had 11 and 9 children, three sons of one side married three daughters of the other couple. John Hicks married Salley Seller, four children Mary Hannah, George, Richard and Sarah, Thomas Sleep married Elizabeth Nancarrow, their four John Henry, Edith, Beatrice and Alfred. In order is whom married whom. Then two first of each family are the two who married and three children married each other Hicks- Clarence, Les and Jack married Ivy, Eunice and Elsie. Cornish heritage with Aussie Methodist dripping (lots of)
MY OLDEST SON SAID, HOW MANY GRANDPARENTS DO YOU HAVE? HE SEES HOW MANY I HAVE BEEN ADDING.
Early Georgia family on my mother’s side. Don’t know if they are technically an endogamous group, but I’ve found cousins I’m related to in 6-7 different ways, without even tracing all their lines back.
My parents are multiple related as distant cousins and they did not know it at the time and it was too distant to be a particular genetic issue because of it
I have the same haplogroup (T) as Thomas Jefferson so me and Jefferson descend from the same forefather
i appear to be related to 21 ex presidents........and alexander hamilton....
How do you do a pedigree? How can I find out about my ancestors? I’ve done a 23andme only
TL;DR: If you travel 1000 years to the past DO NOT KLL ANYONE. :P
So our family trees are "braided for strength"
Thanks for this awesome video.
And also… 🙋🏽Me. I thought it was gonna be Kentucky and West Virginia.
I’m curious what my Russian roots will look like. I’m adopted so I have no clue if I have a significant about of perigee collapse or not. Very interesting!
Does that include Southern Europe?
Are you kidding? Yes! It does!
@@DieezahArts Not recent within the last 8 generations.
@@DieezahArts There are people who have no Northern European ancestry.
Great!
I'm Roma Hungarian and Sami Finnish ,did they have any endogamy communities
Almost certainly yes!
How do you get a profile on geni to be a master profile? I have some relatives that are notable and I believe they should be added as master profiles, and I am not sure if I need to message a curator or someone that could help?
Just contact a Curator and ask them to make it a master profile. You can also post on this discussion board to request a profile be made an MP - www.geni.com/discussions/217560
@@GeneaVlogger Thank you so much! I enjoy the vids
im related to 3/4 of the presidents.. as i am related to the may flower and kings and queens.. ive been doing my tree for over 21 yrs...
Just stop and consider for a moment: when your prospective mate for life (or just you steady date) takes you home to meet their family, you're meeting your family, too, cousin. Pretty much wherever you live, and no further than 13th degree in general.
I would assume people from Caribbean islands like Martinique, Guadeloupe and Saint Lucia are endogamous populations... The thing that makes matters more complicated is that the people living in these spaces have either been displaced or have migrated a lot across the entire region (the Americas) over the transatlantic slave trade era and the centuries that followed. So we find DNA matches (some of them close) with a lot of people from other islands, South America, the U.S. and Canada. It's almost as if there's a wider pocket for that endogamy within which each particular island from the region has developed another level of endogamy, if that makes sense. Endogamy at a regional level and at island level.
There are several cases of double cousins in my paternal family. Several brothers/sisters of my paternal grandmother and grandfather got married and my own paternal aunt's ended-up in a situation that always turns my brain upsidedown. Aunt A married Dude A who had a sister I will call sister J. Aunt K married Dude K who has brothers. Dude K's brother married sister J. So my aunt's children are my first cousins (no confusion here) but they're also first cousins with sister J's kids (who aren't my cousins). The most confusing part is that Dude K's mom is the maternal aunt of... one of the rare first cousins of my dad and aunt's who isn't a double first cousin. So my aunt K's husband is first cousin with my aunt K's paternal first cousin JC and his siblings... 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Moving on... My dad, myself and one of my children got our DNA tested and one of my dad's double cousin's kid (I wasn't in contact with until 2 years ago) did too. Unsurprisingly, the various platforms we uploaded to matched us as estimated first cousins in most cases. That's double cousins for you...
Lordy, talk about endogamy and pedigree collapse, I have a 2nd great grandmother who's mother was the product of 1st cousins, and each of their parents were 1st cousins. Also, her father's father was the product of 1st cousins. This mess started in the mid 1700's in Virginia.