A stellar integral solved using some wonderful complex analysis

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  • @manstuckinabox3679
    @manstuckinabox3679 Год назад +12

    If it was (1+x)^2 instead of (1-x)^2 we could then use gamelin's VII.4.6 which is the integral of x^alog(x)/(1+x)^2 from zero to infinity which is = picsc(pia) - api^2*tan(pi*a)*csc(pia).

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +9

      Ma boi here has spent some real - no wait, complex - time in the temple of Gamelin😎😎😎
      Time well spent I must say

    • @manstuckinabox3679
      @manstuckinabox3679 Год назад +3

      @@maths_505 oh yeah and I think it can be done in the similar method, the only difference being that there are no residues inside the keyhole contour (and for the result just differentiate by a then replace with a = -1/2 (within the domain of convergence).

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +6

      @@manstuckinabox3679 an anime crossover between feynman and complex analysis 🔥🔥🔥

  • @HVH_49
    @HVH_49 Год назад +6

    This feels like a complete review on my complex analysis class that I took years ago lmao

  • @GearsScrewlose
    @GearsScrewlose Год назад +5

    Feynman’s Technique works here with odds of zeta(3) canceling out. Kind of cool way of solving it.

  • @enderwarrior6185
    @enderwarrior6185 Год назад +3

    So glad i took a course of complex analysis, this is so much fun, great video man !

  • @daddy_myers
    @daddy_myers Год назад +3

    Beautiful! I've seriously missed these contour integrals!

  • @zunaidparker
    @zunaidparker Год назад +3

    At 11:30 it's not incorrect but it is bad technique to simply assume that the imaginary part cancels out to zero instead of proving it. It doesn't allow you to catch any mistakes. It's worth confirming by checking the symmetry of the relevant functions or by some other independent means.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +2

      Yeah you have a point but the video is already 20 minutes long.....but yes that would make another cool bonus integral.

  • @silvanadamini9122
    @silvanadamini9122 Месяц назад

    4:57 It is unrigoros to pull the -1 out the sqrt. Because let
    u=-x: sqrt(u)=sqrt(-x)=i*sqrt(x)
    =i*sqrt(-u)=i*i*sqrt(u)=-sqrt(u).
    So if sqrt(-u)=i*sqrt(u), then sqrt(u)=-sqrt(u).

  • @cpcto945
    @cpcto945 Год назад +2

    Very cool as always

  • @SuperSilver316
    @SuperSilver316 Год назад +4

    I wanna say a contour integral with a branch cut along the positive real access could work to, if you use ln^3(z) instead of ln^2(z).

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +3

      Noted

    • @SuperSilver316
      @SuperSilver316 Год назад +1

      Upon some playing around with the problem, you don’t have to use the cubed logarithm, you can just leave it squared. There’s a double pole at z = 1 underneath the branch cut, but above it it’s fine. The square root gives you this flexibility, but you have to be very careful about how you let the certain radii in the semi-circles go to zero.

  • @user-le1oc9js4h
    @user-le1oc9js4h Год назад +1

    I think, in the part where you prove that Г equals 0, you should specify, that not only the integrand goes to zero, it goes to zero faster than the length of circumference grows, that’s why the integral goes to zero

    • @zunaidparker
      @zunaidparker Год назад

      The integrand incorporates dependence on R when substituting z=R*e^(i*theta). The limit as R goes to infinity is taken AFTER this substitution and shows the whole thing goes to zero as R tends to infinity.

  • @timemasterdm2462
    @timemasterdm2462 Год назад +2

    Super cool integral. And amazing video as always. May I ask what application you use as a blackboard?

  • @cpotisch
    @cpotisch Год назад

    I did it by breaking it up into an integral from 0 to 1 and from to infinity, and then using geometric series!

  • @renesperb
    @renesperb Год назад +1

    A different approach is as follows : make the substitution x= exp t .Then one gets the integral of t^2*exp (t/2)/(exp t -1 )^2 with limits - inf to + inf .If one splits up into -inf to 0 ,and 0 to inf and uses the fact that 1/(1-q)^2 is just the derivative of the geometric series , one arrives
    (one can also invoke Laplace transforms ), by integrating termwise, at the series 2*k*( 1/ (k+1/2)^3+ 1/(k - 1/2)^3) ,k =1 to inf.What I was
    not able to verify yet , that this series gives 2*π^2 , as MATHEMATICA tells me. Maybe someone finds the clue to this.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +1

      Well.....you could site "by kamaal's video on contour integration......
      The series equals 2pi^2"
      QED😂

    • @renesperb
      @renesperb Год назад

      One finds the following relations: Sum (k/(k+1/2)^3 (1 to inf.) =π^2/2 - 7*Zeta 3 ,Sum (k/(k - 1/2)^3 = π^2/2+7*Zeta 3 ,

  • @anilrao599
    @anilrao599 Год назад

    For anyone looking for the solution to proof that gamma approaches zero here's a brief outline:
    Call the integral I and then construct the inequality
    |I|

    • @two697
      @two697 Год назад

      That's what he said in the video

  • @nicolascurry9520
    @nicolascurry9520 Год назад +1

    Ok. So this isn't an integral but is there some way to evaluate ln(x/ln(x/ln(x/ln(...)))). Its a bit like ur infinite tower of x^x but with ln(x/...)
    I think it's somewhat related to the Lambert W function as the inverse is xe^x I think?
    Any help?
    Love ur videos btw

  • @niom-nx7kb
    @niom-nx7kb 22 дня назад

    6:48 shouldn’t this second term be a plus sign? The 1/i becomes -i and there’s originally a negative in front of the pi^2

  • @user-dm1tm8uw2o
    @user-dm1tm8uw2o Год назад +2

    Nice work man rekt it.

  • @amidhmi5243
    @amidhmi5243 Год назад

    If the imaginary part is 0, we can use it to calculate the integral. The first term is exactly the integral we need to calculate. And the second term doesn't have a log in it which makes is simpler to calculate.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад

      Not exactly....that log integral has 1+x in the denominator. We needed 1-x.
      But yes we can count that as another bonus integral. Nd a really nice one too.

  • @montreearmy
    @montreearmy 7 месяцев назад

    Hey guys, I have a question. Can complex's world(Contours Integrals. Sorry if I spell wrong) solve every Integrations?

    • @SuperSilver316
      @SuperSilver316 5 месяцев назад

      They can solve a wide variety of problems, but are usually only reserved for when the integrand has very nice behavior for large and small x. You wouldn’t want to use it all the time, but it does have a lot of nice utility.

  • @hsfjw
    @hsfjw Месяц назад

    Each time reducing log z introduces another Cauchy residue, seems like can generalize as a recursion on log ^N z? 🤔

  • @clayton97330
    @clayton97330 Год назад

    Does this integral have a physical interpretation... would it ever be derived from a real system?

  • @allmight801
    @allmight801 Год назад +2

    Why is 0 singularity again and not 1?

    • @anilrao599
      @anilrao599 Год назад +1

      Because if you take the lim of ln^2(z) /(1-z) ^2 as z approaches one it is defined

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +1

      I literally explained that in the beginning of the video

    • @anilrao599
      @anilrao599 Год назад

      😂

    • @anilrao599
      @anilrao599 Год назад

      @maths_505 can this be solved using Feynman technique?

    • @allmight801
      @allmight801 Год назад

      @@maths_505 i know just didn't get it at the beginning i suppose

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Год назад

    This integral can be calculated without complex numbers
    Int(ln^2(x)/(sqrt(x)(1-x)^2),x=0..infinity)
    Let y = sqrt(x)
    y^2=x
    2ydy=dx
    Int(ln^2(u^2)/(u*(1-u^2)^2)*2u,u=0..infinity)
    =8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)
    8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)=8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..1)+8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=1..infinity)
    8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)=8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..1)+8Int(ln^2(1/v)/(1-1/v^2)^2*(-1/v^2),v=1..0)
    8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)=8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..1)+Int(ln^2(1/v)v^4/(v^2-1)^2*1/v^2,v=0..1)
    8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)=8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..1)+8Int((-ln(v))^2v^2/(v^2-1)^2),v=0..1)
    8Int(ln^2(u)/(1-u^2)^2,u=0..infinity)=8Int(ln^2(v)(1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v=0..1)
    Int((1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v)=Int(1/(1-v^2),v)+Int(v*(2v/(1-v^2)^2),v)
    Int((1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v)=Int(1/(1-v^2),v)+v/(1-v^2)-Int(1/(1-v^2),v)
    Int((1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v)=v/(1-v^2)
    8Int(ln^2(v)(1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v=0..1)=limit(8v*ln^2(v)/(1-v^2),v=1)-limit(8v*ln^2(v)/(1-v^2),v=0)-8*Int(v/(1-v^2)*2*ln(v)/(1-v^2)*(1/v),v=0..1)
    8Int(ln^2(v)(1+v^2)/(1-v^2)^2,v=0..1)=-16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)
    -16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)=-16Int(ln(v)*sum(v^{2n},n=0..infinity),v=0..1)
    -16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)=-16Int(sum(v^{2n}ln(v),n=0..infinity),v=0..1)
    -16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)=-16sum(Int(v^{2n}ln(v),v=0..1),n=0..infinity)
    Int(v^{2n}ln(v),v=0..1)=1/(2n+1)v^{2n+1}ln(v)-1/(2n+1)Int(v^{2n+1}*1/v,v=0..1)
    Int(v^{2n}ln(v),v=0..1)=limit(1/(2n+1)v^{2n+1}ln(v),v=1)-limit(1/(2n+1)v^{2n+1}ln(v),v=0)-1/(2n+1)Int(v^{2n},v=0..1)
    Int(v^{2n}ln(v),v=0..1)=-1/(2n+1)^2
    -16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)=-16sum(-1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)
    -16Int(ln(v)/(1-v^2),v=0..1)=16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=16(sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity) - sum(1/(2n)^2,n=1..infinity))
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=16(sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity) - 1/4sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity))
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=16*3/4sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity))
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=12sum(1/n^2,n=1..infinity))
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=12*Pi^2/6
    16sum(1/(2n+1)^2,n=0..infinity)=2*Pi^2

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +3

      Okay bro that is just boring af

    • @two697
      @two697 Год назад

      There's no way you just typed all of this out

    • @JO06
      @JO06 Год назад

      Why would u write this out…

    • @holyshit922
      @holyshit922 Год назад

      @@JO06To show that complex analysis solution is not easier nor even faster than real analysis in this example

  • @niom-nx7kb
    @niom-nx7kb 22 дня назад

    Isn’t z=1 also a pole?

    • @niom-nx7kb
      @niom-nx7kb 22 дня назад

      For the first contour btw

    • @niom-nx7kb
      @niom-nx7kb 22 дня назад

      @maths_505 professor I have a question

    • @niom-nx7kb
      @niom-nx7kb 22 дня назад

      never mind!

  • @pratimguha5905
    @pratimguha5905 Год назад

    If you don't mind , can you please share me some of the names of books from where I can get these integrals ?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад

      Won't find most of these in books. Alot of the integrals I've solved are ones I've made up. This one I got from Michael Penn. He solved it using real methods.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад

      Though there are some great books
      Paul nahin's inside interesting integrals
      There's this book called almost impossible integrals sums and series and that has lots of cool integrals and tools.
      Then ofcourse there's a wealth of integral calculus knowledge on math stackexchange and RUclips

    • @pratimguha5905
      @pratimguha5905 Год назад

      @@maths_505 ok sir , thanks a lot

    • @NC-hu6xd
      @NC-hu6xd Год назад

      @@pratimguha5905 Pls sir do not redeem the integrals bloody basterd

  • @tueur2squall973
    @tueur2squall973 Год назад

    6:41 for the 2nd integral , this should be a + sign instead no ?

    • @tueur2squall973
      @tueur2squall973 Год назад

      Aight' you corrected yourself it's all fine

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад

      Ahhh yes....my favourite algorithm bumper 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @maddog5597
    @maddog5597 Год назад +1

    Why, in the name of all that’s holy, don’t you cross your zs???? They look like 2s!!!!

  • @tolberthobson2610
    @tolberthobson2610 Год назад

    Wouldn't the key-hole contour have made this so much easier??? Rather than an upper-semi-circular contour.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад

      Give it a try.....

    • @SuperSilver316
      @SuperSilver316 5 месяцев назад

      It’s actually a lot harder with a keyhole contour believe it or not!

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Год назад

    You really made it complex .
    Especially when original integral can be calculated with techniques accessible to beginners in integral calculus
    One more thing
    There are many integrals on your channel and no other math stuff

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +3

      Beginners??? Beginners only use antiderivative.....if you mean people with some knowledge of real integration methods then it's no harm to try new things......its often fun and opens up new insights....
      I get it that you can evaluate the integral using real methods but some solution developments are just more fun than others.....

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +2

      Nd my channel is mostly integrals and DEs cuz I like them the most.....
      Although I am preparing lecture notes for formal courses that I plan to upload in a couple months.

    • @two697
      @two697 Год назад +1

      ​@@maths_505 for what courses if you don't mind sharing?

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Год назад +1

      @@two697 complex analysis and ODEs

  • @Akenfelds1
    @Akenfelds1 Месяц назад

    Fascinating but I have a bit of constructive criticism: This video needs to be cleaned up/remade. To much backtracking on errors, etc..

  • @andrewneedham3281
    @andrewneedham3281 Год назад

    The lack of being able to differentiate z's from 2s led to 5 minutes of frustration trying to follow one of your steps when calculating the residue. Just ... no, thanks.

  • @cycklist
    @cycklist Год назад

    Zed

  • @thefirminator
    @thefirminator 9 месяцев назад

    just start the vid with i = whatever instead of doing it everytime

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  9 месяцев назад +1

      Already started doing that bro. Damn I miss bobby at anfield.....

    • @thefirminator
      @thefirminator 4 месяца назад

      ​@@maths_505me too man