I have to say, so far this season , I feel vindicated in my previous support for Yuki. I feel for Daniel, but I have to admit that I enjoy Yuki showing how good he is
@@TommoMcCluskey agreed. And that frustration also extends back to Mexico last year. I still think he needs to prove himself in adverse , high pressure situations where not everything is going his way
@nicholasahill Take this logic and apply it to Daniels time at McLaren too Was Lando great or did Daniel underperform? You'll see, quite obviously, that the dynamics are always a mix of the two. Daniel is performing below his peak and Yuki is performing with consistency (and even improving slowly)
I love Ric as much as the next guy but he is cut way too much slack. People are holding on to his red bull days so much, his last three seasons have been disappointing to say the least and any other driver would have been sacked a long time ago
yeah the Australia data is a joke, the guy was giving a free ride in the back with nobody to race or defend against. Ricc was just sailing in clean air and on his home track, but still slower.
Tommo: Checo slow must go. Also Tommo: let’s look into the data intricately to make a case about how Daniel is not terrible and examine each race and give the benefit of the doubt with each issue that arrises.
Tommo sippin copium juice. Love peak Ric, but something changed in him at McLaren mentally. Must have a huge weight on his shoulders with everyone wishing him the best.
Ya Checo is way better I'm biased because he's my favorite driver currently but Checko has proven himself as a very competent driver at racing point and does a great job as the 2 driver for Red Bull I think it's absolutely ridiculous there was ever any thought of replacing Checko for a way past his prime Ricardo they're not in the same league anymore not even close. The only driver I would be alright with Red Bull possibly replacing Checko with is Sainz because I truly think he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best driver at this point certainly better than an aging Lewis Hamilton and would make Red Bull even more dominant than it alrighty is which is a scary thought
It really shows how low some other people's opinion of Yuki is, that for him to beat a teammate by a couple tenths means that driver is washed and should be fired
@Duval-In-The-Wall he and pierre were much closer in the second year and maybe liam beat yuki when purely looking at results on Wikipedia, but his pace was (as should be expected) generally much weaker.
Hmmm, I'm not sure the numbers back that up fully. The 1 lap pace gap Albon to Sargeant seemed much bigger, although tbf Logan did outqualify Alex in Saudi. Just got that dumb track limit.
Its funy when you hear all of people saying if daniel beat yuki he was automaticly get contract by redbull when tsunoda does the opposite his seat was not even safe.😅
You rate Peak Daniel higher than Peak Yuki. But the things is, Daniel has peaked and is now on a slow decline. Yuki meanwhile hasn't even reach the threshold of his peak and is showing signs of improving over the years. Yes, what happened in Bahrain was a bit immature, but you can say that to Seb as well in Baku after deliberately side ramming Lewis, and Seb was a multiple world champion. I just find that people is overly underrating Yuki as an F1 driver because he has less social media presence than his teammates.
Theres no way in hell it's a "slow" decline whatsoever. But yea his peak was maybe 10 years ago and just like that it's gone. It happens all the time in all pro sports, the "failed wonderkid" archetype: early peak at very high level, then it just goes away for no reason. In f1 you can mask it behind "Bad car" excuses in order to milk the cash cow a little bit more but thats only works for a limited time.
@@alvmusic4402 So true. There will be guys like Alonso who don't seem to age, whilst there are others who plateau off a cliff after just a few years of peak performance. You can also the same about drivers progressing, you have somebody like Yuki who had one of the worst starts to their F1 career and he was super lucky to be able to keep his seat, but he was able to use his time to quickly develop and now all of a sudden is being rate as a solid driver, and given his young age, reasonable to expect he can improve even a bit further.
I love Yuki. Him and Hulk are the most underrated drivers and I feel like they're finally getting more respect and recognition. If I was Sauber, I would try and get both of them
For me, the biggest problem is that when you compare the races that both Yuki and DR raced in (since 2023), Yuki has had 5 point finishes (Belgium, US, Brazil, Abu Dhabi, Australia), vs. Daniel's one (Mexico). Yes Daniel has had his fair share of bad luck, but you could say the same for Yuki (starting back of the grid due to PU change, terrible strategy in Bahrain and illegal overtake by Magnussen in Saudi). Yuki has been much more consistent in making himself relevant in the races.
you mention daniels bad luck in sort of a passing way, but he's been absolutely crippled by it in his races so far, its almost ridiculous how little has been said of it. He's had 2-3 races that have been uncompromised in his last season...and in one of those, he went nuts. 1. In hungary he was absolutely punted from behind by zhou, went to last and came back to finish in p13 after an amazing long stint on softs. 2. Spa, daniel and yuki had identical results that were mirrored in the sprint and the races, daniel had another unlucky track limits for race quali. I mean it was so identical they even benefitted from the same amount of dnf's in their races. 3. Zandvoort - obviously he broke his hand 4. Austin, running yuki's setup and had a MASSIVE piece of debris in his front left corner which killed his race, before that debris he actually caught up to yuki in the first stint. Yuki's points finish here was really a result of DSQ's farther up and not on track stuff. 5. Mexico, finally, an uncompromised weekend, and he did bit's qualifying p4 without a tow, p7 in the race and was fighting a merc on the last lap 6. Brazil - hit by a flying tyre lap one, placed a lap down by the stewards and was lapping third fastest overall behind the lead pack on race pace, would've beat yuki if not classified a lap down 7. Vegas - uncompromised weekend, car was slow here because of the same reasons it was fast in mexico he drove an okay race, yuki dnf'd 8. Abu Dhabi - tear off in brake duct, had to pit on lap 6? or something absurd like that, put him out of sync but he did well to recover to the edges of the points so sure, you can say daniel had his 'fair share of bad luck' but to think you could say the absolute same for yuki is a bit absurd. Yuki has had two significant point finishes that have become huge talking points that are more a result of dnf's and dsq's than they are a result of on track moves and positions...so for people to be able to make a comprehensive decision on daniel this early into the season, given his absolutely horrendous luck so far i think is a little absurd. Theres no denying yuki has been just that little faster this year so far, but to brush daniels 'bad luck' as something that isnt a significant dampener on some performances that he had that would have changed the perception of his head to head is a little unfair in my opinion.
@@SXNDITKEV Sorry but you are wrong. So, if you want to go race by race, and focus on whether Daniel had a chance to score points or not: Hungary - Stroll (who finished P10) had MUCH better pace than Danny so it was unlikely he would have scored points. Spa - Track limits = drivers fault. It has nothing to do with "luck". Zandvoort - I did not count that race, I only compared races where both Yuki and Daniel raced in. Austin - Given where Yuki finished, he could have scored points if not for the debris. Brazil - Yes he could have scored if it weren't for the tyre. Vegas - Car had absolutely no pace. Abu Dhabi - Daniel started P15, was unlikely he would have scored in the points. So essentially there were two potential race, Austin and Brazil, where Daniel could have realistically scored points. But then if you do the same exercise for Yuki, you can argue that he could have definitely scored points in Mexico if it weren't for the PU penalty, really bad strategy in Bahrain, and Magnussen's illegal overtake in Saudi so maybe he could have scored a point in either of the races. So that's potentially 2-3 race. This is why I say, when you just focus on whether the two drivers could have scored points, Yuki and Daniel are actual on par when it comes to "unluckiness". Either way, its a lot of ifs and buts, and reality is Yuki has had a clearer upper hand when it come to having point finishes which is their ultimate goal.
@@TommoMcCluskey Exactly, and a good reminder of how important qualifying is, especially for those in the back marker teams. In the race, there is much less a driver can do as ultimately cars will regress to where the car's performance is, and whilst drivers may be able to defend against faster cars to a certain extent, overtaking a faster car is near impossible. For me it is no surprise that Alex and Yuki were the highest point finishers out of the bottom 4 teams, because of their ability to qualify high and use their position to defend their position to death.
Exactly. At the beginnging, I was ok wirh it when RBR took him back as test driver thinking they valued his commercial value. But when he’s given the chance to drive AT i was so comfused. Thennn considering him to replace Checo was completely insane. Whoever msde thst decision should not be allowred to seek new talents no more.
Well said, there’s this obsession with some fans about him thinking he’s gonna become this amazing driver maybe they are holding on to the past for me he’s done he’s not that young & he’s old but can’t lead as a team driver
"struggle to adapt" doesn't apply to multiple seasons, and it's absolutely not a valid bit of reasoning to back up the claim that Ricciardo isn't washed. Peak Ricciardo is never coming back, all evidence points to the same, and hopium that he'll come back is senseless.
Exactly. OK maybe the first 2 races you can use it as an excuse, but if you are meant to be this super experienced and seasoned driver, then you are expected to adjust quickly.
A deleted lap with ric using several meters outside the track limits is a big driver error and should definetly be accounted for more than this video says imo. He even missed q2 for it so should imo be accounted for and count more in yukis favor. Good video and interesting topic
How so? Going a dew metrrs outside the track limit is alrrady a sign that he pushed the car over his ability to control it thus making error. So the time he made with that error was not valid. If he drove within the limit, the time woyld be even slower.
@@nino88881 You are both saying the same thing. Tommo included it more for the purpose of having an additional data point to compare their raw pace, but it was clearly his mistake and a very costly one as all he had to do was keep it within track limits and he should have at least progressed to Q2. Again, I don't think Tommo is suggeting his mistake should be excused, he is just using it to compare raw pace.
I can't believe we are still talking about Ricciardo remaining in the sport after this season, to me its bizarre. Any other driver on the grid and we would be saying he doesn't deserve to be on the grid.
I've supported yuki since i started watching the sport, and seeing him actually popping off this season feels so damn good, his behaviour in bahrain was shitty but i kinda understand it, i mean he was right on his rear wing when the swap was called and yuki had the pace to overtake him, so being told to swap must just fucking suck
I feel like Tommo is allowing his affinity for Riccardo to cloud his judgement. The data was interesting, and consistently favours Yuki but it felt like he kept making excuses for why Yuki did better. Ignoring the farce of a team order in Bahrain. Yuki has beaten Riccardo consistently since joining the team. Riccardo needed this stint with RB to show off that he is still a great driver, and he just isnt doing that. In fact hes looking worse than ever. Just because he was one of the best on the grid doesn't mean he is anymore, and it doesnt mean he will be again. His stint at McLaren was dire and he failed to perform in 2 sets of regulations with that team. Now hes occupying a seat in a development team and being convincingly beaten by someone 10 years younger, its time for him to make way for the next generation.
I dunno, I think I've been fair on this. I literally say I felt Danny has only outperformed Yuki 2/10 weekends. I present the numbers that put Yuki consistently quicker. They do all the talking. In the first 6 of the 10 quali laps we have, there's literally less than a tenth between them. You've gotta acknowledge the good with the bad.
@@TommoMcCluskeycurious. Would it be an argument that to get the Red bull seat he should be slapping him up and getting 2+ tenths on him at least so he’s actually quite a few tenths off where he should be. Ofc that’s just quali tho
Not only that, but the Australia pace is only closer because Ricc was so far behind, he didnt have dirty air and nobody race. Defending does slow you down and also degrades your tires quicker, so Ricc was just given a free drive in most of Australia.
@@TommoMcCluskey I think thats why your conclusion confused me. You acknowledge that Danny has only outperformed in 2/10 races, and that hes on average about 2 tenths slower. But chalk it up to him being confused about the car. Okay fine, but how long can that be an excuse for him? If it was a different team with different drivers and 80% of the time driver A was ~2 tenths faster in quali AND in race pace. When it comes to getting into a better team its unlikely Driver B would be considered an option. But because its Danny Ric its different? It's a fair statement that peak Riccardo is better than peak Yuki. But it has been a LOOOONG time since we have seen peak Riccardo, and I fail to see evidence that we will see it again.
@@canton-7174 So the first fact is that Yuki has consistently outpaced Danny by 0.1 - 0.2 seconds give or take. Whether you think thats big or small is up to interpretation though as Tommo acknowledged, this 0.1 - 0.2 seconds gap could be difference between dropping out of Q1 or making it to Q3, so I personally think it is a big deal especially when this gap is so consistent. Then there is a different problem of expectations. The narrative was that Danny, an extremely experienced driver who apparently showed great pace in the Silverstone tyre test, was making a return as a potential raplcement for Checo. So, people naturally were expecting Danny to at the very minimum beat Yuki convincingly. Compared to that expectation, Daniel has MASSIVELY underperformed. Lastly, there always seems to be some kind of excuse for Daniel's performance, be it "oh he is coming from a break so he needs time" "he just broke his hand so he needs time to fully recover" "he needs time to adjust to the new car" "the car doesn't suit his driving style" "he got unlucky during the races" etc. The excuses go on and on. And whilst there could be some level of truth to some of the statements, at some point you can't continue to just keep on coming up with excuses for him.
@@walover165riccardo was only faster in clean air whilst yuki was in dirty air, as soon as riccardo got into dirty air he was never going to pass the next car
I like how everyone ignores that tsunoda and stroll have been hamiltons closest competitors in midpack since late last season and have been beating him regularly now. 😂
Yuki is by far one one the most underrated drivers on the grid. He must have a seat for 2025 regardless of being backed by Honda. He is somehow turning out to be a second coming of his former teammate Pierre Gasly who become one of the best midfield drivers out there. Outqualifying a multiple race winner is already a feat. Considering how Danny Ric has already been in the grid for quite sometime already. In China, I am already expecting Yuki to be outpaced by Danny due to lack of familiarity on the track. But if Yuki turned the way around, RB might just sacked Ricciardo for Lawson.
Yuki would have come 11th in Bahrain if his team got the strategy right. Yuki would have got 10th in Saudi if KMag didn't break the rules. He is consistently being the best driver outside the top 5 teams. I think Ric isn't doing that bad tbh, just Yuki is being consistently good
You rate Stroll higher than Yuki? Doubt. Yuki is probably one of the quickest and most consistent drivers in the grid this season. I'd even rate him in the Top 7 with Russell Hamilton and Stroll below him. George lacks race pace and consistency at the moment. Hamilton is already checked out of the season. Stroll is Stroll.
@@Gollum1905 Don’t be delusional, Yuki is not quite in their level but I think he’s sitting around the top 10. You can’t realistically rate Yuki against the likes of a top driver like Russell until Yuki hopefully moves to a better team in the future. Edit: In a current speed and consistency context Yuki is definitely up there but let’s wait until the end of the season to really get a gauge on this.
It is unfair to compare "peak Ricciardo" to "peak Tsunoda" bc 1) we dont know if Yuki has peaked and 2) "peak Ricciardo" drove a different regulation car that's smaller and more nimble than current regulation, so who is to say Yuki would not out perform Ricciardo in that car? It is an apples to oranges comparison, you can only compare right now. Right now Yuki is out performing Ricciardo.
This has to be a joke, right? There is no way Tsunoda would outperform prime Ricciardo at Red Bull, that is utterly laughable I might as well tip Zhou to have been better than Vettel at Ferrari lmao
@@Duval-In-The-Wallwe don’t know what peak Tsunoda is, and the regulations were completely different. The point of the comment is that it’s comparing apples to oranges.
@@HGRAP1 We did see Tsunoda drive the previous regulation of cars in 2021, and suffice to say he struggled “Peak Ricciardo” won races in 5 different seasons driving a non-dominant Red Bull He beat Vettel and Verstappen in the same car. Only a few on the current grid even come close to the driver he was
I hope Daniel can pull it together. Whilst I'm not the biggest Riccardo fan, the half year on the sideline was hard to watch especially since Redbull kind a prostituted him. I can't see him getting dropped mid season like De Vries however, I can see Redbull getting every Doller out of him before the end of the year.
I could see that happening mid season he’s just not good enough I’d prefer that seat goes to someone younger cause how many chances does he actually need he’s 34!🤷♂️
This is missing the point. Ric is an experienced driver who was brought in to prove he still has the skills to drive the Red Bull. He was supposed to decisively beat Tsunoda- it doesn’t matter if everyone thinks he’s getting destroyed but is actually only losing by a little. He needs to be winning by a lot. If he can’t beat Tsunoda, give him the boot. That team should be for young drivers to develop, not older drivers with good PR to make futile attempts at recapturing old glory.
I'm a Ric fan , but he might have to concede he's over the hill if he can't match or beat Yuki in the next few races. He's currently lost and confused like he was at McLaren.
Very good take. There were many drivers that were decent but they got rid off. Danny is done. He’s not a young prospect but treated like one for some reason
I was pleasantly surprised to see Marko speaking so high of Tsunoda. I still think there’s little desire at Redbull to promote him, so maybe they’re hoping some other team will swoop in for him so that they can bring in Lawson without having to ditch Ricciardo and his marketing pull
Marko always had a soft spot for young drivers with raw speed. For evidence, remember Max's "crashtappen" era in first half 2018. Max managed to mature up after summer break, being a consistent top 3 in form alongside Hamilton and Raikkonem during that time period, leading to a driver we know today. Ricciardo on the other hand is on Horner's side. There was a rumour last year that Horner wanted to get rid Marko, Yuki, and Honda, consolidating the power for himself in wake of Mateschitz's passing and Marko's de Vries failure. So, Horner's support for Ricciardo and Marko backing up Yuki in a way is an extension of Horner/Marko power struggle. With Horner still being in Red Bull, they are not looking Yuki in high regard no matter what.
Great analysis! I feel like when I look at the quali times, it seems Yuki gets faster every Qualifying, while Daniel stays at about the same lap times in Q1 and Q2. It seems like Yuki bags a tenth or two in Q1, which makes the average a bit slower. So I think the gap is probably a bit bigger in qualifying between Yuki and Daniel
Fully agree, I think one thing that great drivers do is build up throughout qualifying. Max is prime example, where he always seems to find a bit more pace everytime he needs it. Yuki seems to have a good feel for how far he needs to push to move on to the next stage.
Consider that ~a tenth is where Logan was compared to Albon in the first couple quali sessions, and people still call him a joke that should lose his seat/justify what Williams did... So yeah, maybe the gap isn't that big, but people are incredibly biased in when they think a tenth is a lot or a little... The arguments on this note, are also pretty bad in terms of any sort of way that could look "not that bad" on Daniel, but be a death notice on Logan. Logan has more potential, requires less pay, has many more years in him, is the younger, less experienced driver, and is brand new to F1 with no sign that he will get slower rather than improve. Ricciardo is proven, yes, but there's no reason to assume he will get faster over time, as he's already past his "prime" - and it's been like 5 years since he's had a "Good season" at this point. He's also shown how fast and how hard he can crumble to dust. Seriously, imagine being so bad at something that your employer PAYS YOU ~$14M TO LEAVE??? "He just needs 10 races/1 season/a couple seasons to get to grips with the car" - Did Gasly get that? Did Albon *really* get that? Did DeVries get that? Hell no. Let's be honest, Nyck was out the second that RB realized Daniel was available. Daniel is being treated like a rookie, that just needs to get up to speed and learn the ropes, or given excuses of cars/regs not fitting him... BUT HE ISN'T THE ONLY ONE. If half the grid could say similar things, but you are still dunking on them, Ricciardo should not be an exception. If he takes a couple seasons to get up to speed at RB, then moves to the main team, takes a couple years there... He'd be 38-40 by the time he was in the top seat and "fitting with the team" or car. So I think that any good graces given to Danny Ric HAVE TO BE EXTENDED TO OTHER DRIVERS LIKE ZHOU, LOGAN, ETC. I get that we all want him to succeed, but other drivers are having similar, or even less struggle, and deemed worse and less worthy of a seat... for the sin of not being a known quantity and media darling.
Couldnt have said better than myself, the real victim of all of this is Liam which is in the sidelines while being the general best future driver in the Redbull group as a whole
I think Yuki has gone under the radar and people have underestimated how much he has improved each season. Hope he finds a seat outside the Red Bull stable soon.
He just needs to pull the plug, Daniel will be loved either way. Not many drivers get the privilege of having a million overtake compilations made about them. DC had a similar career path end to that of DR, and he took it as “wow i’m actually not good anymore i should probably quit”, Daniel just needs to accept his performance cliff like Coulthard did. DR can race damn near anywhere he pleases after this unless he takes the Pundit route which he’d be terrific at.
You were suggesting leaving some laps of Dan's out where he was 0.5 seconds slower towards the end of his stints because his tyres are done, and so the gap between him and Yuki is more like 0.1 per lap instead of 0.17. However hasn't he gained time in the first part of his stint by using more tyre life than he should? Therefore if you count the first part of the stint where Dan gained benefits, you have to count the later part too, even when his tyres are starting to drop off the cliff, as that is just poor stint management from Dan. All laps in clear air should count basically.
I believe Yuki is more than just a compliance driver to keep Honda happy. He does have the talent to be where he is, if he just grows up a little more.
It feels so odd how fast the narrative switches, especially with the focus of yt channels, podcasts, and F1 itself. Everyone looking to capitalize on the topic of the day so everyone talks about it, even if it's not that big of a story, everyone collectively makes it big. Thanks for doing a level headed analysis about it.
He struggled the first year, but Renault too. 2020 is one of the best season of his career (P5 championship, 2 podiums, pretty much always in the top 7)
Just a correction for Bahrain. RIC started on a used soft so that he had a new soft available for the last stint. Yuki obviously started on a new soft which was why, according to AlphaTauri, they weren't able to do the same strategy on Yuki's car.
I hope dat Ric will come closer. Not that i support Ric especially, but becasue i love both drivers so much. Would really dont like it if one of them had to leave
The facts: 1) Ric is only funny and charming if you’ve never met an Australian teenager or a golden retriever. 2) Sushi Tunoda is forging himself into a decimator.
Thanks for the great comparison. Did u forget to mention Daniel had a mechanical issue they identified after qualifying but could not rectify before the race. They never specified what that issue was. Does anyone know ?
For some perspective regarding the unchanged driver lineup for 2024 - De Vries, Lawson and Bearman were all super subs who all STILL have more points and higher best finish than Logan... and all don't have a drive nor have had a complete full season with even all of them combined... basically, time for some change in 2025, maybe even mid 2024
Man, stop this. Logan is a WILLIAMS ACADEMY DRIVER so yeah ofc his owm team gives him 2 seasons! They even said they brought him into F1 a year too early. Lawson has been to DTM and Super Formula to prepare for F1…and cos he is part of RED BULL JUNIORS ACADEMY he stays at one of the RB teams. Bearman is a crash wonder in F3 and F2. Last season he crashed way too much!! Do you even watch F3 and F2? Even this weekend he made a mess of his F2 Quali and the race…. He is fast or he is camikaze… there’s nothing in between with Bearman in F3 and F2…. Seriously. Bearman needs to grow, clean up his act first. De Vries was already 28….. had 3 years of tyre testing and sim work at Mercedes F1 team…and was arrogantly claiming he would be teamleader at AT…and said that he even wouldn’t listen to YUKI cos he was only funny…and he couldn’t learn anything from YUKI…. De Vries crashed way too much and was NOWHERE NEAR THE TEAMLEADER… Bearman had the 2nd fastest car to drive in Jeddah.. and you compare that to the Williams????? 😂 You serious? Stop comparing rookies from different academies…their OWN TEAMS should give them a seat, like Williams did to Logan. Williams has 2 F2 rookie drivers currently on the grid preparing them for F1. De Vries was NO SUER SUB at all, he failed as seasoned driver….
@@Redlingstein I take on board what you're saying, and rookies do need some time to show what they can do, but its the top 20 seats in motorsport, so to finish with just 1 (retrospective, following DQs) point at the end of a complete season when other drivers have jumped in equally backmarker cars (DV in williams, and Lawson in an AT) and scored in less time. Teams need to score, vowles made that clear when he put alex in the car. $12million extra for each constructors place is no joke I maintain that Nyck De Vries made a mistake going to redbull. If he'd have joined williams, as they offered him, to start in 2023, he'd already been a merc jnr under vowles, but he could sit in that car, with that team around him and albon to learn from, knowing he had legit scored points already in their car, for that team. I think that does a lot for confidence. And he would have been given the same patience likely that logan is being shown. sadly the allure of RB must have been too good.
That deleted lap in AUS... If you follow the line he takes out of T5/6 where DR cross track limits, its impossible to say if he went faster or slower vs staying in limits. Yes he carries more speed, but it ruins the line out of the corner, he goes over the curb which breaks traction and he taps off harder in an attempt to stay in. So he may have lost time on that lap
I've got to say I really enjoy the way you do your analysis videos in comparison to other F1 youtubers. Not at all saying that others are bad, just that your formatting and opinions are cool and intricate. Over the past few years of watching your vids and seeing you developed more and more your own style has truly been wonderful and I just love what you're doing :)
Sure, I have my bias, but it really isn't as bad as it looks. Sure, quali isn't his best asset atm, but if you can make it up in the race, and be running similar pace to your teammate, and be within 1-2 tenths, it isn't that bad. And yes I agree with you when you say "Peak Yuki isn't close to peak Ricciardo", which is more the reason I'm still hopeful, although don't get me wrong, as an Aussie DR fan, I'm massively disappointed. If he can't improve enough, and is consistently beaten by Yuki, yeah he hasn't done enough to earn his place in F1 anymore, and Lawson deserves the seat in 2025. But he's not 0.5+ seconds off consistently.
If you qualify bad AND you are slower than your teammate then the better conclusion should be: Ric never has a proper chance of overtaking Yuki bringing and points home.
Great Video @tommo. Its challenging to compare as they were on different tires at different phases. You could also try causal inference techniques to get more comparable laps( and other factors) so that you can get a good estimate of the true difference
Liam needs to get that seat as soon as possible, to see how his speed measures up compared to Yuki (considering of course Yuki's 4 full seasons of experience).
if this continues this will resemble albon vs logan, fernando vs lance. yuki is ahead in every single metric, the differences may be small sometimes but still beating your teammate all the time is not easy. after seeing this video I think the gap bigger than I thought, dani has no idea why he is slower and he is consistently slower.
Commenting here so I know you'll see it. I love you but Tommo you're soooo wrong about Sargent it's painful. He is no different to Latifi. Cannot fathom why a smart man like Vowles kept him on. There will be no improvement this season. Watch this space - he will have another terrible year. I respect you opinion and it hurt when you backed him to improve. Also Sainz to Red Bull is the obvious shout, and I thought so long before the Aus win. He will back himself against Max and he is the perfect no2 for Red Bull. Again, watch this space.
Great work, Tommo! Really expected they'd be close this season and that they'd be edging each other out from race to race, so fair play to Yuki. I'm still hopeful Daniel can turn it up 🤞
Based on checo being absolute shit last year and ricciardo showing some promise Different story now but checo falls apart during the European leg of the season
Marketability? If Ricciardo performed just as good as Perez, it would have been a no brainer, Ricciardo can be marketed in all English speaking countries and more, Checo only has traction with the medium and upper Mexican class, but now… after the facts, we all know Ricciardo is far from being back in his old form, so switching him doesn’t make any sense.
Checo should have been miles ahead of everyone else in Australia and bagged P1 without breaking a sweat. He didn't. In fact, he didn't even podium. Daniel's performance in the VCARB-01 is probably irrelevant if Red Bull know he's fast in the RB20, especially if he's faster than Checo (which is likely, especially given the inherent driving styles in question: Daniel's mirrors Max's, Checo's does not). Red Bull need a driver who, in the very least, can win when Max can't. They also need someone marketable, and who Max likes. I doubt they'll risk ruining Liam Lawson by promoting him too quickly (see: Gasly; Albon), and I doubt Yuki's really in contention for the Red Bull seat (he's talented, but he's Honda's pick). Carlos may not be willing to go back to Red Bull, and Alonso might be seen as too head-strong. It's not as simple as many people make out.
Fair analysis. Well done mate. Nice to see some genuine journalism in regards to the DR story. Yeah, things could be better but it's far from the dire straights many hacks would have you believe and I feel there were some real positives to come out of Australia for DR and RB. The team mentioned they're finally beginning to understand hos driving style and how they can tailor the car to him. I think you will see some improved performances in the next few races as DR and RB start to click together.
I'm sorry to say Tommo, I feel what you're saying at the end there, that it's a shame to lose Daniel Ricciardo, someone who showed so much promise, like he could have gone on to become a world champion. But on the other side of that coin, there are so many drivers in Formula 2 and reserve drivers sitting in garages who have showed a lot of promise in junior series, while Lawson and Bearman have also showed promise in F1 by subbing. Surely it's more of a shame if drivers like that are being kept out by someone like Daniel Ricciardo, since he doesn't have the speed anymore. Alonso, Verstappen, Hamilton, they were all promising juniors that someone took a chance on.
Ricciardo was only good in Mexico. In Hungary both set literally same time in qualifying and in the race Yuki got screwed in the strategy as usual. Ricciardo pace was good but far superior strategy and clear air.
Yuki had been very often stiffed by the AT/RB strategy. I remember Zandvoort last year. Ok Lawson beat him on the checkered flag, but the AT strategy of letting him out was catastrophic And at the end, all people remember is Lawson beat him on the first race …..
Great analysis! One of my pet theories about Daniel is that he relies on a build up over three practice sessions to show speed, more so than other drivers. If that build-up gets interrupted, it ends up in lack of pace in qualifying. And now, we are told he will miss FP1 at Suzuka, so RB can give Iwasa a spin. I can’t see him turning this deficit around at next GP
DR maybe slower than Yuki because reasons, but in the end the stopwatch doesn’t lie. If DR doesn’t step it up, he’ll be found wanting. And with Lawson waiting in the wings, RB could very well axe him mid season.
No hate to Danny bc I love his energy but he is treated as a rookie who needs to get used to F1 when in fact he has been there for YEARS. Saying Danny is ‘only’ 2 tenths behind Yuki is insane. If it’s only 2 tenths, why can he not close that gap? Only 2 tenths goes both ways, Yuki is only a little bit slower than Danny so he is not that much better, but Danny is also not better than Yuki bc he seems to not be able to catch up to him while the gap is only so small. It doesn’t make any sense as to why he’s coddled so much for simply not performing. I think Danny unfortunately made some silly career choices. He’s just not as adaptable as Alonso is. Danny should know that about himself, but he still jumped teams like he is a deer in a spring field. Even the comparison with Danny joining McLaren and Lando being there his whole F1 career is bullshit since Oscar came in and immediately delivered and seems so at home and in tune with his car. Ricciardo is such a highly valued driver but he shows none of his qualities. Especially considering Yuki is not valued much at all, so comparing Danny to him and saying he’s ‘only’ a little bit slower is putting Yuki on a pedestal that he does not have.
I don't know what prompted you to do such a deep dive into this unless you're playing his agent. The time gaps are super close up and down the grid outside of Max, so the gap doesn't matter - it's who is quicker. Period. I think Ric is done as an F1 racer, it's proven he cannot adapt to any type of car now since Red Bull was his last car of glory.
As a D. Ric fan, your analysis appears to be pretty spot-on. Right now, the idea of him being promoted to Red Bull is on hold, and Daniel is now fighting to stay in F1. But that could change either way over the next three or four races. People in F1 have relatively short memory, and "current form" only goes back two or three races. Well see what happens between here and the summer break...
Its probably fair to assume that the weight difference between the drivers is playing into some of that 1-2 tenth average gap also. Not sure where the RB is in relation to the weight limit, but every kilo of ballast that's better placed helps car balance and driveability.
Thanks for putting the facts out there. It really isn’t as bad as what some people are putting out there about Daniel. I don’t see Yuki in the RedBull, not when there are other options on the table for RedBull. Daniel does need to pick it up, I feel it is the setup in the car, but he needs to help the team in fixing that with his experience.
@@alphaschneider2468 I don’t idolize anybody!! I actually watch the racing, and I think there are drivers on the grid that are way worse than Daniel and yet no one says anything about getting rid of them!! Let’s look at some facts on Lawson, Yuki and Daniel according to the GP races 2023 Finishing Positions Daniel - Hungary P13, Belgium P16, Austin P15, Mexico P7, Brazil P13, Vegas P14, Abu P11 - Daniel has beat Yuki 3 Races out of 7 Yuki - Hungary 15, Belgium 10, USA Austin 8, Mexico 12, Brazil 9, Vegas 18, ABU 8 - Yuki beat Daniel 4 races out of 7 Lawson - Netherlands P13, Italy P11, Singapore P9, Japan P11, Qatar P17 - Lawson beat Yuki 4 races out of 5 Yuki - Netherlands P15, Italy DNF, Singapore DNF, Japan P12, Qatar P15 - Yuki beat Lawson 1 Race out of 5 2024 Races completed Daniel - Bahrain P13, Saudi Arabia P16, P12 Australia - Daniel beat Yuki 1 race this year so far Yuki - Bahrain P14, Saudi Arabia P15, P7 Australia- Yuki beat Daniel two races this year so far Lawson actually drove better than Yuki and beat him according to the finishing stats of the races in 2023. (Very Impressive since this was his first time competing in an F1 car) I do know there was some DNF’s but if we look at GP finishes, Lawson did finish ahead of did his teammate. Yuki has had 3 years in this car, Daniel only 7 races in 2023 and 3 in 2024, I would have put Lawson in with Daniel this year and had Daniel teach him how to feel the car out and build him into a better driver. I think Lawson has the best chance for the RedBull if he is developed, which is why I think Yuki should not have a seat and Lawson should. Yuki has the seat only due to Honda ties which will end at RB in 2026. Yuki has a short fuse and has been reckless in the car(look at race one of this year on the cool down lap) Daniel can help develop the car and move it forward, were as Yuki has no chance, last year proves that. When Daniel came into the team and help develop the car to which Yuki had half of the year to do. Daniel is a great driver and the season is still very young, however I think he should be helping Lawson develop his skills and the car instead of Yuki! Yuki is a good driver and has performed the best in qualifying this year, however you need to turn those good qualifying positions into points and he has only been able to do that one time in Australia this year. It’s not how you qualify it’s how you finish the race, and Yuki hasn’t proven he has the skills to do that every race with him finishing 2-5 places backwards from his Q3 start position with the exception of Australia. The Older drivers know how to help develop the car and that’s why I think they have a young driver with an older driver. Look at what happened when Haas put two rookie drivers in an F1 seat, doesn’t work. All the F2 and F3 cars are the same and F1 is completely different with each car being developed by the feedback from the drivers as well as engineers.
As Italian born near Faenza, since-Toro Rosso’s ultra, I’ve always loved Yuki since I’ve seen him for the first times getting stomped by Gasly (❤), even in alpha tauri groups he was pretty bullied but I’ve always defended him firmly, I’m very, very happy Yuki is showing what I was expecting from years, hope to see him in a RedBull even if it would be difficult for my team 💙
So .. If Danny Ric and Yuki cannot be separated based on performance, neither gets promoted to Red Bull? If Checo continues to show adequate performance he retains his seat for '25? What happens to Lawson?
I think your Maths are a bit off, or there were some additions because at the bottom of each race analysis you have one race (Bahrain )-0.450 and -0.160 equals 0.305 difference but it should be -0.610 difference for Yuki and the other races the same. So unless that "Average" includes the none related laps it doesn't add up. If its the overall difference then I'm not sure it should be included in the breakdown screen cause it alludes to there being a smaller gap. Just my thoughts.
The -0.610 gap is averaged over 2 stints so -0.610/2 = -0.305. It could be more accurate to take a weighted average where the gap would actually be slightly smaller
Yeah especially Australiam, where Ricc was just saving his tires because he didn't have anyone to race or defend against. It was just sailing in clean air, keeping tires as fresh as possible and still slower than Yuki.
I really really rate yuki. I think red bull should seriously consider giving him a chance next year. If he's not the driver you want to take into a new regulation so be it. But I would be so so interested in seeing Yuki in a top team. Just to see what he can really do.
Still early doors but honestly I can only see Yuki getting faster, he's a very talented driver. I like Daniel and I'm glad he got another bite of the cherry but I'm really not sure he is more than a good driver. His wins were perhaps more down to the car than the driver.
Daniel is trying to prove he still deserves a seat at a top team not just to be in the sport. Everyone has counted Yuki out and questioned whether he even belongs. If Daniel wants to prove anything he should be destroying Yuki on track, both qualifying and races. This battle that Daniel (while close) is losing shows either Yuki is way ahead than we think, or Daniel is way behind where he thinks he is.
The grid is really close this year. The next upgrade cycle might change that. Doesn't mean someone is washed up because they are a few tenths off. That time can be made back on good weekends. You just need more good weekends by the end of the year.
Since when average of 0.168 seconds 2 tenths? It’s literally 0.168 seconds. If you want to round someone would say one and a half tenths. And average being adjusted over .03 is a big deal.
Stats are great and all, but I judge off of pure personal bias. I like Yuki more than Daniel and I'm glad that he's showing the old timer what for right now.
Your summary at the end about not wanting to see Daniel’s career fade out like this is sad to watch happen. Hopefully it turns around or some sort last hurray
Small gap in a field with even smaller gaps. For me the most concerning part with Daniel is not knowing where to find that bit of pace to fill the gap, like he said in Australia. Add some mistakes (track limits, spin) and it's not looking good for him. At the same time Yuki should avoid those anger moments, knowing he has the upper hand on Daniel and he most likely will have to move to another team at some time, Red Bull's been really open with their intention to sign other drivers.
Now this is a bit of a long comment, but i think it concerns something that has absolutely not been talked about enough...and that's daniel appauling luck last year. he had maybe 2 uncompromised races in his 2023 stint, and in one of those he went absolutly bonkers. so let's paint a more accurate picture of daniels return than the pure finishing positions do: 1. In hungary he was absolutely punted from behind by zhou, went to last and came back to finish in p13 after an amazing long stint on softs 2. Spa, daniel and yuki had identical results that were mirrored in the sprint and the races, daniel had a a marginal track limits for race quali, but qualified well for the sprint. I mean it was so identical between these two that they even benefitted from the same amount of dnf's in the sprint/race they benefitted from. 3. Zandvoort - obviously he broke his hand 4. Austin, running yuki's setup and had a MASSIVE piece of debris in his front left corner which killed his race, before that debris he actually caught up to yuki in the first stint. Yuki's points finish here was really a result of DSQ's farther up and not on track stuff. 5. Mexico, finally, an uncompromised weekend, and he did bit's qualifying p4 without a tow, p7 in the race and was fighting a merc on the last lap 6. Brazil - hit by a flying tyre lap one, placed a lap down by the stewards and was lapping third fastest overall behind the lead pack on race pace, would've beat yuki if not classified a lap down 7. Vegas - uncompromised weekend, car was slow here because of the same reasons it was fast in mexico he drove an okay race, yuki dnf'd 8. Abu Dhabi - tear off in brake duct, had to pit on lap 6? or something absurd like that, put him out of sync but he did well to recover to the edges of the points So far Yuki has had two significant point finishes that have become huge talking points that are more a result of dnf's and dsq's than they are a result of on track moves and positions...so for people to be able to make a comprehensive decision on daniel this early into the season, given his absolutely horrendous luck so far i think is a little absurd. Theres no denying yuki has been just that little bit faster this year so far, but to brush daniels 'bad luck' as something that isnt a significant dampener on some performances that he had that would have changed the perception of his head to head is a little unfair in my opinion, and it hasnt been made enough of a big deal, because these things can really put a hamper on the momentum a driver really needs to build.
I have to say, so far this season , I feel vindicated in my previous support for Yuki. I feel for Daniel, but I have to admit that I enjoy Yuki showing how good he is
It's nice seeing Yuki flourish. But that made his behaviour in Bahrain even more frustrating.
@@TommoMcCluskey agreed. And that frustration also extends back to Mexico last year. I still think he needs to prove himself in adverse , high pressure situations where not everything is going his way
Is Yuki showing how good he is or is Dan showing how bad he is?
@@nicholashill8724 I think it is a bit of both
@nicholasahill Take this logic and apply it to Daniels time at McLaren too
Was Lando great or did Daniel underperform? You'll see, quite obviously, that the dynamics are always a mix of the two. Daniel is performing below his peak and Yuki is performing with consistency (and even improving slowly)
I love Ric as much as the next guy but he is cut way too much slack. People are holding on to his red bull days so much, his last three seasons have been disappointing to say the least and any other driver would have been sacked a long time ago
yeah the Australia data is a joke, the guy was giving a free ride in the back with nobody to race or defend against. Ricc was just sailing in clean air and on his home track, but still slower.
Except for Lance!
Tommo: Checo slow must go.
Also Tommo: let’s look into the data intricately to make a case about how Daniel is not terrible and examine each race and give the benefit of the doubt with each issue that arrises.
Couldn’t agree more, I hate how much people defend this guy when people like Lawson haven’t got a seat.
Tommo sippin copium juice. Love peak Ric, but something changed in him at McLaren mentally. Must have a huge weight on his shoulders with everyone wishing him the best.
Checo is quicker than Ricciardo.....
D(NF)aniel Ricciardo
Ya Checo is way better I'm biased because he's my favorite driver currently but Checko has proven himself as a very competent driver at racing point and does a great job as the 2 driver for Red Bull I think it's absolutely ridiculous there was ever any thought of replacing Checko for a way past his prime Ricardo they're not in the same league anymore not even close. The only driver I would be alright with Red Bull possibly replacing Checko with is Sainz because I truly think he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best driver at this point certainly better than an aging Lewis Hamilton and would make Red Bull even more dominant than it alrighty is which is a scary thought
It’s all about expectations. If you are looking at Ricciardo as a potential RedBull option, arguing that he’s not too far from Yuki is a joke.
It really shows how low some other people's opinion of Yuki is, that for him to beat a teammate by a couple tenths means that driver is washed and should be fired
He has to go it’s sad to say but my gosh Danny ric is ass now 😂
Its the expectation that daniel should be washing him and be well on his way to RBR by now thats making people say Daniel is done.
Well yeah Lawson was on his pace straight away and Gasly destroyed him
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Lawson was not on his pace
@Duval-In-The-Wall he and pierre were much closer in the second year and maybe liam beat yuki when purely looking at results on Wikipedia, but his pace was (as should be expected) generally much weaker.
Yuki seems to be doing what Albon did last year. And this is against a multiple race winner. So it’s even more impressive.
Yuki was trained by Albon when he was shit.
Albon did it in 2022 against a multiple world champ
3 races blud
Hmmm, I'm not sure the numbers back that up fully. The 1 lap pace gap Albon to Sargeant seemed much bigger, although tbf Logan did outqualify Alex in Saudi. Just got that dumb track limit.
@@TheNotoriousB.E.N.Latifi was his teammate in 2022.
Its funy when you hear all of people saying if daniel beat yuki he was automaticly get contract by redbull when tsunoda does the opposite his seat was not even safe.😅
so, true! especially right now.
You rate Peak Daniel higher than Peak Yuki. But the things is, Daniel has peaked and is now on a slow decline. Yuki meanwhile hasn't even reach the threshold of his peak and is showing signs of improving over the years. Yes, what happened in Bahrain was a bit immature, but you can say that to Seb as well in Baku after deliberately side ramming Lewis, and Seb was a multiple world champion. I just find that people is overly underrating Yuki as an F1 driver because he has less social media presence than his teammates.
Theres no way in hell it's a "slow" decline whatsoever. But yea his peak was maybe 10 years ago and just like that it's gone. It happens all the time in all pro sports, the "failed wonderkid" archetype: early peak at very high level, then it just goes away for no reason. In f1 you can mask it behind "Bad car" excuses in order to milk the cash cow a little bit more but thats only works for a limited time.
@@alvmusic4402Bro 2014 was his first year in RBR. Danny's peak was probably 16-17 and 17-18
@@alvmusic4402 So true. There will be guys like Alonso who don't seem to age, whilst there are others who plateau off a cliff after just a few years of peak performance. You can also the same about drivers progressing, you have somebody like Yuki who had one of the worst starts to their F1 career and he was super lucky to be able to keep his seat, but he was able to use his time to quickly develop and now all of a sudden is being rate as a solid driver, and given his young age, reasonable to expect he can improve even a bit further.
@@alvmusic4402lol what he was in his prime 4 years ago at Renault
@@tak8261worse starts? There’s been plenty of drivers with worse seasons, Logan, Latifi, Giovinazzi never mid much worse drivers before then
I love Yuki. Him and Hulk are the most underrated drivers and I feel like they're finally getting more respect and recognition. If I was Sauber, I would try and get both of them
Oof, that'd be a vibe for sure
Yuki is pretty much guaranteed a seat at AMR for 2026 due to the Honda engine deal
@@sarimsalman2698 No ones guaranteed anything in F1
Daniel beat Hulk though.
@@justice4g That was when Daniel wasn't washed though
For me, the biggest problem is that when you compare the races that both Yuki and DR raced in (since 2023), Yuki has had 5 point finishes (Belgium, US, Brazil, Abu Dhabi, Australia), vs. Daniel's one (Mexico). Yes Daniel has had his fair share of bad luck, but you could say the same for Yuki (starting back of the grid due to PU change, terrible strategy in Bahrain and illegal overtake by Magnussen in Saudi). Yuki has been much more consistent in making himself relevant in the races.
Even in Mexico last year Yuki was close to getting points before his mess up.
He has - and I believe a big part of that is his ability to outqualify Ricciardo so often.
you mention daniels bad luck in sort of a passing way, but he's been absolutely crippled by it in his races so far, its almost ridiculous how little has been said of it. He's had 2-3 races that have been uncompromised in his last season...and in one of those, he went nuts.
1. In hungary he was absolutely punted from behind by zhou, went to last and came back to finish in p13 after an amazing long stint on softs.
2. Spa, daniel and yuki had identical results that were mirrored in the sprint and the races, daniel had another unlucky track limits for race quali. I mean it was so identical they even benefitted from the same amount of dnf's in their races.
3. Zandvoort - obviously he broke his hand
4. Austin, running yuki's setup and had a MASSIVE piece of debris in his front left corner which killed his race, before that debris he actually caught up to yuki in the first stint. Yuki's points finish here was really a result of DSQ's farther up and not on track stuff.
5. Mexico, finally, an uncompromised weekend, and he did bit's qualifying p4 without a tow, p7 in the race and was fighting a merc on the last lap
6. Brazil - hit by a flying tyre lap one, placed a lap down by the stewards and was lapping third fastest overall behind the lead pack on race pace, would've beat yuki if not classified a lap down
7. Vegas - uncompromised weekend, car was slow here because of the same reasons it was fast in mexico he drove an okay race, yuki dnf'd
8. Abu Dhabi - tear off in brake duct, had to pit on lap 6? or something absurd like that, put him out of sync but he did well to recover to the edges of the points
so sure, you can say daniel had his 'fair share of bad luck' but to think you could say the absolute same for yuki is a bit absurd. Yuki has had two significant point finishes that have become huge talking points that are more a result of dnf's and dsq's than they are a result of on track moves and positions...so for people to be able to make a comprehensive decision on daniel this early into the season, given his absolutely horrendous luck so far i think is a little absurd. Theres no denying yuki has been just that little faster this year so far, but to brush daniels 'bad luck' as something that isnt a significant dampener on some performances that he had that would have changed the perception of his head to head is a little unfair in my opinion.
@@SXNDITKEV Sorry but you are wrong. So, if you want to go race by race, and focus on whether Daniel had a chance to score points or not:
Hungary - Stroll (who finished P10) had MUCH better pace than Danny so it was unlikely he would have scored points.
Spa - Track limits = drivers fault. It has nothing to do with "luck".
Zandvoort - I did not count that race, I only compared races where both Yuki and Daniel raced in.
Austin - Given where Yuki finished, he could have scored points if not for the debris.
Brazil - Yes he could have scored if it weren't for the tyre.
Vegas - Car had absolutely no pace.
Abu Dhabi - Daniel started P15, was unlikely he would have scored in the points.
So essentially there were two potential race, Austin and Brazil, where Daniel could have realistically scored points.
But then if you do the same exercise for Yuki, you can argue that he could have definitely scored points in Mexico if it weren't for the PU penalty, really bad strategy in Bahrain, and Magnussen's illegal overtake in Saudi so maybe he could have scored a point in either of the races. So that's potentially 2-3 race.
This is why I say, when you just focus on whether the two drivers could have scored points, Yuki and Daniel are actual on par when it comes to "unluckiness". Either way, its a lot of ifs and buts, and reality is Yuki has had a clearer upper hand when it come to having point finishes which is their ultimate goal.
@@TommoMcCluskey Exactly, and a good reminder of how important qualifying is, especially for those in the back marker teams. In the race, there is much less a driver can do as ultimately cars will regress to where the car's performance is, and whilst drivers may be able to defend against faster cars to a certain extent, overtaking a faster car is near impossible.
For me it is no surprise that Alex and Yuki were the highest point finishers out of the bottom 4 teams, because of their ability to qualify high and use their position to defend their position to death.
Ricciardo PR is insanely crazy, the guy has been washed since 2k22, and is still defended. Crazy considering, his prime was like 6-8years ago.
Exactly. At the beginnging, I was ok wirh it when RBR took him back as test driver thinking they valued his commercial value. But when he’s given the chance to drive AT i was so comfused. Thennn considering him to replace Checo was completely insane. Whoever msde thst decision should not be allowred to seek new talents no more.
Well said, there’s this obsession with some fans about him thinking he’s gonna become this amazing driver maybe they are holding on to the past for me he’s done he’s not that young & he’s old but can’t lead as a team driver
Ricciardo’s prime was amazing, it’s hard for some people to acknowledge that past performance means nothing if you’re not currently performing.
"struggle to adapt" doesn't apply to multiple seasons, and it's absolutely not a valid bit of reasoning to back up the claim that Ricciardo isn't washed.
Peak Ricciardo is never coming back, all evidence points to the same, and hopium that he'll come back is senseless.
Exactly. OK maybe the first 2 races you can use it as an excuse, but if you are meant to be this super experienced and seasoned driver, then you are expected to adjust quickly.
A deleted lap with ric using several meters outside the track limits is a big driver error and should definetly be accounted for more than this video says imo.
He even missed q2 for it so should imo be accounted for and count more in yukis favor.
Good video and interesting topic
How so? Going a dew metrrs outside the track limit is alrrady a sign that he pushed the car over his ability to control it thus making error. So the time he made with that error was not valid. If he drove within the limit, the time woyld be even slower.
@@nino88881 You are both saying the same thing. Tommo included it more for the purpose of having an additional data point to compare their raw pace, but it was clearly his mistake and a very costly one as all he had to do was keep it within track limits and he should have at least progressed to Q2. Again, I don't think Tommo is suggeting his mistake should be excused, he is just using it to compare raw pace.
@@nino88881 you just said the same thing as the op
I can't believe we are still talking about Ricciardo remaining in the sport after this season, to me its bizarre. Any other driver on the grid and we would be saying he doesn't deserve to be on the grid.
I've supported yuki since i started watching the sport, and seeing him actually popping off this season feels so damn good, his behaviour in bahrain was shitty but i kinda understand it, i mean he was right on his rear wing when the swap was called and yuki had the pace to overtake him, so being told to swap must just fucking suck
I feel like Tommo is allowing his affinity for Riccardo to cloud his judgement. The data was interesting, and consistently favours Yuki but it felt like he kept making excuses for why Yuki did better. Ignoring the farce of a team order in Bahrain. Yuki has beaten Riccardo consistently since joining the team.
Riccardo needed this stint with RB to show off that he is still a great driver, and he just isnt doing that. In fact hes looking worse than ever.
Just because he was one of the best on the grid doesn't mean he is anymore, and it doesnt mean he will be again. His stint at McLaren was dire and he failed to perform in 2 sets of regulations with that team. Now hes occupying a seat in a development team and being convincingly beaten by someone 10 years younger, its time for him to make way for the next generation.
I dunno, I think I've been fair on this. I literally say I felt Danny has only outperformed Yuki 2/10 weekends. I present the numbers that put Yuki consistently quicker. They do all the talking. In the first 6 of the 10 quali laps we have, there's literally less than a tenth between them. You've gotta acknowledge the good with the bad.
@@TommoMcCluskeycurious. Would it be an argument that to get the Red bull seat he should be slapping him up and getting 2+ tenths on him at least so he’s actually quite a few tenths off where he should be. Ofc that’s just quali tho
Not only that, but the Australia pace is only closer because Ricc was so far behind, he didnt have dirty air and nobody race. Defending does slow you down and also degrades your tires quicker, so Ricc was just given a free drive in most of Australia.
@@TommoMcCluskey I think thats why your conclusion confused me. You acknowledge that Danny has only outperformed in 2/10 races, and that hes on average about 2 tenths slower. But chalk it up to him being confused about the car. Okay fine, but how long can that be an excuse for him?
If it was a different team with different drivers and 80% of the time driver A was ~2 tenths faster in quali AND in race pace. When it comes to getting into a better team its unlikely Driver B would be considered an option. But because its Danny Ric its different?
It's a fair statement that peak Riccardo is better than peak Yuki. But it has been a LOOOONG time since we have seen peak Riccardo, and I fail to see evidence that we will see it again.
@@canton-7174 So the first fact is that Yuki has consistently outpaced Danny by 0.1 - 0.2 seconds give or take. Whether you think thats big or small is up to interpretation though as Tommo acknowledged, this 0.1 - 0.2 seconds gap could be difference between dropping out of Q1 or making it to Q3, so I personally think it is a big deal especially when this gap is so consistent.
Then there is a different problem of expectations. The narrative was that Danny, an extremely experienced driver who apparently showed great pace in the Silverstone tyre test, was making a return as a potential raplcement for Checo. So, people naturally were expecting Danny to at the very minimum beat Yuki convincingly. Compared to that expectation, Daniel has MASSIVELY underperformed.
Lastly, there always seems to be some kind of excuse for Daniel's performance, be it "oh he is coming from a break so he needs time" "he just broke his hand so he needs time to fully recover" "he needs time to adjust to the new car" "the car doesn't suit his driving style" "he got unlucky during the races" etc. The excuses go on and on. And whilst there could be some level of truth to some of the statements, at some point you can't continue to just keep on coming up with excuses for him.
Great video, but Yuki wasn’t passed in Bahrain, they told him to let him pass and Riccardo did nothing with it?
He couldn't do anything with it because Tsunoda's tantrum screwed it up.
He waited to long
@@walover165riccardo was only faster in clean air whilst yuki was in dirty air, as soon as riccardo got into dirty air he was never going to pass the next car
Yeah. Ricardo claim if let him. Off earlier he can. Some. How win the race.. What a bullshido driving.
I like how everyone ignores that tsunoda and stroll have been hamiltons closest competitors in midpack since late last season and have been beating him regularly now. 😂
Yuki is by far one one the most underrated drivers on the grid. He must have a seat for 2025 regardless of being backed by Honda. He is somehow turning out to be a second coming of his former teammate Pierre Gasly who become one of the best midfield drivers out there.
Outqualifying a multiple race winner is already a feat. Considering how Danny Ric has already been in the grid for quite sometime already. In China, I am already expecting Yuki to be outpaced by Danny due to lack of familiarity on the track. But if Yuki turned the way around, RB might just sacked Ricciardo for Lawson.
Yuki would have come 11th in Bahrain if his team got the strategy right. Yuki would have got 10th in Saudi if KMag didn't break the rules. He is consistently being the best driver outside the top 5 teams. I think Ric isn't doing that bad tbh, just Yuki is being consistently good
100% agree. He definitely has his moments! So many p11s last year and that always made me nearly tear my hair out 😂😭
You rate Stroll higher than Yuki? Doubt. Yuki is probably one of the quickest and most consistent drivers in the grid this season. I'd even rate him in the Top 7 with Russell Hamilton and Stroll below him.
George lacks race pace and consistency at the moment.
Hamilton is already checked out of the season.
Stroll is Stroll.
@@Gollum1905 Don’t be delusional, Yuki is not quite in their level but I think he’s sitting around the top 10. You can’t realistically rate Yuki against the likes of a top driver like Russell until Yuki hopefully moves to a better team in the future.
Edit: In a current speed and consistency context Yuki is definitely up there but let’s wait until the end of the season to really get a gauge on this.
@@jamesvoneschen6603 I don't understand, you're agreeing with me but also call me delusional. Did you forget to take your meds?
Yuki would have come 11th in Australia if not for retirements and the penalty.. he goes backwards most races.
The only person that loves Daniel more than Horner is Tommo.
You're forgetting the President of the Daniel Ricciardo Fan Club: Max Verstappen!
It doesn’t matter how close they are if riccardo wants to save his career he needs to beat tsunoda
It is unfair to compare "peak Ricciardo" to "peak Tsunoda" bc 1) we dont know if Yuki has peaked and 2) "peak Ricciardo" drove a different regulation car that's smaller and more nimble than current regulation, so who is to say Yuki would not out perform Ricciardo in that car? It is an apples to oranges comparison, you can only compare right now. Right now Yuki is out performing Ricciardo.
This has to be a joke, right?
There is no way Tsunoda would outperform prime Ricciardo at Red Bull, that is utterly laughable
I might as well tip Zhou to have been better than Vettel at Ferrari lmao
@@Duval-In-The-Wallhow can you say that when you haven’t seen it. Biased c**t. Yuki in the red bull could very well destroy Danny yet again.
@@Duval-In-The-Wallwe don’t know what peak Tsunoda is, and the regulations were completely different.
The point of the comment is that it’s comparing apples to oranges.
@@HGRAP1
We did see Tsunoda drive the previous regulation of cars in 2021, and suffice to say he struggled
“Peak Ricciardo” won races in 5 different seasons driving a non-dominant Red Bull He beat Vettel and Verstappen in the same car. Only a few on the current grid even come close to the driver he was
I hope Daniel can pull it together. Whilst I'm not the biggest Riccardo fan, the half year on the sideline was hard to watch especially since Redbull kind a prostituted him. I can't see him getting dropped mid season like De Vries however, I can see Redbull getting every Doller out of him before the end of the year.
I could see that happening mid season he’s just not good enough I’d prefer that seat goes to someone younger cause how many chances does he actually need he’s 34!🤷♂️
If things stay as they are - it'll be a sad end to a career with so much unfulfilled potential.
This is missing the point. Ric is an experienced driver who was brought in to prove he still has the skills to drive the Red Bull. He was supposed to decisively beat Tsunoda- it doesn’t matter if everyone thinks he’s getting destroyed but is actually only losing by a little. He needs to be winning by a lot. If he can’t beat Tsunoda, give him the boot. That team should be for young drivers to develop, not older drivers with good PR to make futile attempts at recapturing old glory.
Ricardo almost the age of my dad and is still treated like he's some rookie season prospect
I'm a Ric fan , but he might have to concede he's over the hill if he can't match or beat Yuki in the next few races. He's currently lost and confused like he was at McLaren.
You´ve got a very young dad then
Bro thanks for making me feel old 😭
Very good take. There were many drivers that were decent but they got rid off. Danny is done. He’s not a young prospect but treated like one for some reason
So are you like a toddler? :D
I was pleasantly surprised to see Marko speaking so high of Tsunoda. I still think there’s little desire at Redbull to promote him, so maybe they’re hoping some other team will swoop in for him so that they can bring in Lawson without having to ditch Ricciardo and his marketing pull
Marko always had a soft spot for young drivers with raw speed. For evidence, remember Max's "crashtappen" era in first half 2018. Max managed to mature up after summer break, being a consistent top 3 in form alongside Hamilton and Raikkonem during that time period, leading to a driver we know today.
Ricciardo on the other hand is on Horner's side. There was a rumour last year that Horner wanted to get rid Marko, Yuki, and Honda, consolidating the power for himself in wake of Mateschitz's passing and Marko's de Vries failure.
So, Horner's support for Ricciardo and Marko backing up Yuki in a way is an extension of Horner/Marko power struggle. With Horner still being in Red Bull, they are not looking Yuki in high regard no matter what.
Marko Translation: "My horse is beating yours, Horny. Get fooked. Also, Iwasa is getting an FP".
Marko only does that to please Honda
@@antoniusbaswara8477stop with these FACTLESS RUMOURS…. Stop believing FAKE SOCIAL MEDIA…..
@@antoniusbaswara8477That team is such a clusterfuck man
Great analysis! I feel like when I look at the quali times, it seems Yuki gets faster every Qualifying, while Daniel stays at about the same lap times in Q1 and Q2. It seems like Yuki bags a tenth or two in Q1, which makes the average a bit slower. So I think the gap is probably a bit bigger in qualifying between Yuki and Daniel
Fully agree, I think one thing that great drivers do is build up throughout qualifying. Max is prime example, where he always seems to find a bit more pace everytime he needs it. Yuki seems to have a good feel for how far he needs to push to move on to the next stage.
Love your analysis videos. I always see the amount of work you put in them.
Cheers Steve!
Consider that ~a tenth is where Logan was compared to Albon in the first couple quali sessions, and people still call him a joke that should lose his seat/justify what Williams did...
So yeah, maybe the gap isn't that big, but people are incredibly biased in when they think a tenth is a lot or a little...
The arguments on this note, are also pretty bad in terms of any sort of way that could look "not that bad" on Daniel, but be a death notice on Logan.
Logan has more potential, requires less pay, has many more years in him, is the younger, less experienced driver, and is brand new to F1 with no sign that he will get slower rather than improve.
Ricciardo is proven, yes, but there's no reason to assume he will get faster over time, as he's already past his "prime" - and it's been like 5 years since he's had a "Good season" at this point. He's also shown how fast and how hard he can crumble to dust. Seriously, imagine being so bad at something that your employer PAYS YOU ~$14M TO LEAVE???
"He just needs 10 races/1 season/a couple seasons to get to grips with the car" - Did Gasly get that? Did Albon *really* get that? Did DeVries get that? Hell no. Let's be honest, Nyck was out the second that RB realized Daniel was available. Daniel is being treated like a rookie, that just needs to get up to speed and learn the ropes, or given excuses of cars/regs not fitting him... BUT HE ISN'T THE ONLY ONE. If half the grid could say similar things, but you are still dunking on them, Ricciardo should not be an exception.
If he takes a couple seasons to get up to speed at RB, then moves to the main team, takes a couple years there... He'd be 38-40 by the time he was in the top seat and "fitting with the team" or car.
So I think that any good graces given to Danny Ric HAVE TO BE EXTENDED TO OTHER DRIVERS LIKE ZHOU, LOGAN, ETC.
I get that we all want him to succeed, but other drivers are having similar, or even less struggle, and deemed worse and less worthy of a seat... for the sin of not being a known quantity and media darling.
Couldnt have said better than myself, the real victim of all of this is Liam which is in the sidelines while being the general best future driver in the Redbull group as a whole
I think Yuki has gone under the radar and people have underestimated how much he has improved each season. Hope he finds a seat outside the Red Bull stable soon.
I’m extremely disappointed in Ricciardo this season so far
I've been disappointed for the last 3 years!
He just needs to pull the plug, Daniel will be loved either way. Not many drivers get the privilege of having a million overtake compilations made about them. DC had a similar career path end to that of DR, and he took it as “wow i’m actually not good anymore i should probably quit”, Daniel just needs to accept his performance cliff like Coulthard did. DR can race damn near anywhere he pleases after this unless he takes the Pundit route which he’d be terrific at.
I’m not I knew he was rubbish but y’all kept hyping him with no merit !! Now you can walk on that dog poop alongside Danny😒😏😏
As a mclaren fan besides monza 2021 I was dissapointed by his stint at the team!
Love this data break down! Thank you for making this more readily available, and I hope you do more of these
You were suggesting leaving some laps of Dan's out where he was 0.5 seconds slower towards the end of his stints because his tyres are done, and so the gap between him and Yuki is more like 0.1 per lap instead of 0.17. However hasn't he gained time in the first part of his stint by using more tyre life than he should? Therefore if you count the first part of the stint where Dan gained benefits, you have to count the later part too, even when his tyres are starting to drop off the cliff, as that is just poor stint management from Dan. All laps in clear air should count basically.
I believe Yuki is more than just a compliance driver to keep Honda happy. He does have the talent to be where he is, if he just grows up a little more.
It feels so odd how fast the narrative switches, especially with the focus of yt channels, podcasts, and F1 itself. Everyone looking to capitalize on the topic of the day so everyone talks about it, even if it's not that big of a story, everyone collectively makes it big. Thanks for doing a level headed analysis about it.
Was Danny that good at Renault? I remember him struggling too
He struggled the first year, but Renault too. 2020 is one of the best season of his career (P5 championship, 2 podiums, pretty much always in the top 7)
I don’t know why he get so much flak for his Renault stint since he comfortably beat his teammate both seasons and finished P5 in 2020
Stroll can replace his son with Yuki and AM will get consistent point scorer
More like stroll will sell the team and Yuki will go to AM for Honda endorsement lol. Yuki/sainz combo would be fun to watch
😮I've never considered this scenario. That would be fire tbh
Just a correction for Bahrain. RIC started on a used soft so that he had a new soft available for the last stint. Yuki obviously started on a new soft which was why, according to AlphaTauri, they weren't able to do the same strategy on Yuki's car.
I hope dat Ric will come closer. Not that i support Ric especially, but becasue i love both drivers so much. Would really dont like it if one of them had to leave
He doesnt belong in the sport anymore its just how it is. Give the youth a chance what does a finished ricciardo add to the racesv
Because he is still better then 1/3rd the grid at his "washed" state
The facts:
1) Ric is only funny and charming if you’ve never met an Australian teenager or a golden retriever.
2) Sushi Tunoda is forging himself into a decimator.
0.168 is huge in f1... if you average that over a 60 lap race thats 11 seconds gap...
In Bahrain, Daniel started on Scrubbed Softs, Yuki on NEW Softs…Daniel finished the Race on NEW Softs…
Great video and nice touch on the background music. Noticed what you did there. Nostalgia GT3
Thanks for the great comparison. Did u forget to mention Daniel had a mechanical issue they identified after qualifying but could not rectify before the race. They never specified what that issue was. Does anyone know ?
For some perspective regarding the unchanged driver lineup for 2024 - De Vries, Lawson and Bearman were all super subs who all STILL have more points and higher best finish than Logan... and all don't have a drive nor have had a complete full season with even all of them combined... basically, time for some change in 2025, maybe even mid 2024
Man, stop this. Logan is a WILLIAMS ACADEMY DRIVER so yeah ofc his owm team gives him 2 seasons! They even said they brought him into F1 a year too early.
Lawson has been to DTM and Super Formula to prepare for F1…and cos he is part of RED BULL JUNIORS ACADEMY he stays at one of the RB teams.
Bearman is a crash wonder in F3 and F2. Last season he crashed way too much!! Do you even watch F3 and F2? Even this weekend he made a mess of his F2 Quali and the race…. He is fast or he is camikaze… there’s nothing in between with Bearman in F3 and F2…. Seriously. Bearman needs to grow, clean up his act first.
De Vries was already 28….. had 3 years of tyre testing and sim work at Mercedes F1 team…and was arrogantly claiming he would be teamleader at AT…and said that he even wouldn’t listen to YUKI cos he was only funny…and he couldn’t learn anything from YUKI…. De Vries crashed way too much and was NOWHERE NEAR THE TEAMLEADER…
Bearman had the 2nd fastest car to drive in Jeddah.. and you compare that to the Williams????? 😂 You serious?
Stop comparing rookies from different academies…their OWN TEAMS should give them a seat, like Williams did to Logan. Williams has 2 F2 rookie drivers currently on the grid preparing them for F1.
De Vries was NO SUER SUB at all, he failed as seasoned driver….
@@Redlingstein I take on board what you're saying, and rookies do need some time to show what they can do, but its the top 20 seats in motorsport, so to finish with just 1 (retrospective, following DQs) point at the end of a complete season when other drivers have jumped in equally backmarker cars (DV in williams, and Lawson in an AT) and scored in less time. Teams need to score, vowles made that clear when he put alex in the car. $12million extra for each constructors place is no joke
I maintain that Nyck De Vries made a mistake going to redbull. If he'd have joined williams, as they offered him, to start in 2023, he'd already been a merc jnr under vowles, but he could sit in that car, with that team around him and albon to learn from, knowing he had legit scored points already in their car, for that team. I think that does a lot for confidence. And he would have been given the same patience likely that logan is being shown. sadly the allure of RB must have been too good.
That deleted lap in AUS... If you follow the line he takes out of T5/6 where DR cross track limits, its impossible to say if he went faster or slower vs staying in limits. Yes he carries more speed, but it ruins the line out of the corner, he goes over the curb which breaks traction and he taps off harder in an attempt to stay in. So he may have lost time on that lap
I've got to say I really enjoy the way you do your analysis videos in comparison to other F1 youtubers. Not at all saying that others are bad, just that your formatting and opinions are cool and intricate. Over the past few years of watching your vids and seeing you developed more and more your own style has truly been wonderful and I just love what you're doing :)
1:00 Thanks for naming your sources. I think they could be a nice sponsor for you as it suits very well to your videos.
Sure, I have my bias, but it really isn't as bad as it looks. Sure, quali isn't his best asset atm, but if you can make it up in the race, and be running similar pace to your teammate, and be within 1-2 tenths, it isn't that bad. And yes I agree with you when you say "Peak Yuki isn't close to peak Ricciardo", which is more the reason I'm still hopeful, although don't get me wrong, as an Aussie DR fan, I'm massively disappointed. If he can't improve enough, and is consistently beaten by Yuki, yeah he hasn't done enough to earn his place in F1 anymore, and Lawson deserves the seat in 2025. But he's not 0.5+ seconds off consistently.
Lmao I literally just searched Ricciardo vs tsunoda and this dropped minutes ago.
OMG! That's AMAZING.
You must be psycho
If you qualify bad AND you are slower than your teammate then the better conclusion should be: Ric never has a proper chance of overtaking Yuki bringing and points home.
Just a slight correction... I recall RIC started on used softs in Bahrain, in order to have new softs for the final stint.
Great Video @tommo.
Its challenging to compare as they were on different tires at different phases. You could also try causal inference techniques to get more comparable laps( and other factors) so that you can get a good estimate of the true difference
Liam needs to get that seat as soon as possible, to see how his speed measures up compared to Yuki (considering of course Yuki's 4 full seasons of experience).
if this continues this will resemble albon vs logan, fernando vs lance. yuki is ahead in every single metric, the differences may be small sometimes but still beating your teammate all the time is not easy. after seeing this video I think the gap bigger than I thought, dani has no idea why he is slower and he is consistently slower.
Commenting here so I know you'll see it. I love you but Tommo you're soooo wrong about Sargent it's painful. He is no different to Latifi. Cannot fathom why a smart man like Vowles kept him on. There will be no improvement this season. Watch this space - he will have another terrible year. I respect you opinion and it hurt when you backed him to improve.
Also Sainz to Red Bull is the obvious shout, and I thought so long before the Aus win. He will back himself against Max and he is the perfect no2 for Red Bull. Again, watch this space.
Logan comes with money, I don’t think most people know this but his family is big in getting oil for the US Army
We'll see by the end of the year Alv, haha! Won't be the first time I'm wrong - but I've still got hope.
@@TommoMcCluskey ♥️
@@tf6shawnn rpm taught me
@@TommoMcCluskey so it seems from your latest vid you’re cashing out on Logan eh?
I just realize Tommo has been using the GT3 menu music this whole time
Great work, Tommo! Really expected they'd be close this season and that they'd be edging each other out from race to race, so fair play to Yuki. I'm still hopeful Daniel can turn it up 🤞
“I still think Ricciardo will replace Checo for 2024.” - Tommo last year.
Again, like last year I’ll say: based on what?
Carlos is already getting his seat fitted there.
Based on checo being absolute shit last year and ricciardo showing some promise
Different story now but checo falls apart during the European leg of the season
Marketability? If Ricciardo performed just as good as Perez, it would have been a no brainer, Ricciardo can be marketed in all English speaking countries and more, Checo only has traction with the medium and upper Mexican class, but now… after the facts, we all know Ricciardo is far from being back in his old form, so switching him doesn’t make any sense.
@@ChuyR. DTS loves him. That is the marketability he has.
Checo should have been miles ahead of everyone else in Australia and bagged P1 without breaking a sweat. He didn't. In fact, he didn't even podium. Daniel's performance in the VCARB-01 is probably irrelevant if Red Bull know he's fast in the RB20, especially if he's faster than Checo (which is likely, especially given the inherent driving styles in question: Daniel's mirrors Max's, Checo's does not). Red Bull need a driver who, in the very least, can win when Max can't. They also need someone marketable, and who Max likes. I doubt they'll risk ruining Liam Lawson by promoting him too quickly (see: Gasly; Albon), and I doubt Yuki's really in contention for the Red Bull seat (he's talented, but he's Honda's pick). Carlos may not be willing to go back to Red Bull, and Alonso might be seen as too head-strong. It's not as simple as many people make out.
Fair analysis. Well done mate. Nice to see some genuine journalism in regards to the DR story. Yeah, things could be better but it's far from the dire straights many hacks would have you believe and I feel there were some real positives to come out of Australia for DR and RB. The team mentioned they're finally beginning to understand hos driving style and how they can tailor the car to him. I think you will see some improved performances in the next few races as DR and RB start to click together.
This is pure cope man, why would the team cater the car towards the slower driver, who has been nowhere for the past 3 years
I'm sorry to say Tommo, I feel what you're saying at the end there, that it's a shame to lose Daniel Ricciardo, someone who showed so much promise, like he could have gone on to become a world champion.
But on the other side of that coin, there are so many drivers in Formula 2 and reserve drivers sitting in garages who have showed a lot of promise in junior series, while Lawson and Bearman have also showed promise in F1 by subbing. Surely it's more of a shame if drivers like that are being kept out by someone like Daniel Ricciardo, since he doesn't have the speed anymore. Alonso, Verstappen, Hamilton, they were all promising juniors that someone took a chance on.
I think we need to wait for RB Upgrades…it’s pretty obvious that the Car has Less Front End…
A Tenth is actualy not Nothing O.o ! Danny Ric's golden era is over, i'm tired of hoping for a come back tbh ..
Love that I feel like I’m back in 2nd grade selecting my S-class car for Gran Turismo on PS2 while watching these videos
Ricciardo was only good in Mexico. In Hungary both set literally same time in qualifying and in the race Yuki got screwed in the strategy as usual. Ricciardo pace was good but far superior strategy and clear air.
but ric got hit in the back by joe.
Yuki had been very often stiffed by the AT/RB strategy.
I remember Zandvoort last year. Ok Lawson beat him on the checkered flag, but the AT strategy of letting him out was catastrophic
And at the end, all people remember is Lawson beat him on the first race …..
Great analysis! One of my pet theories about Daniel is that he relies on a build up over three practice sessions to show speed, more so than other drivers. If that build-up gets interrupted, it ends up in lack of pace in qualifying. And now, we are told he will miss FP1 at Suzuka, so RB can give Iwasa a spin. I can’t see him turning this deficit around at next GP
DR maybe slower than Yuki because reasons, but in the end the stopwatch doesn’t lie. If DR doesn’t step it up, he’ll be found wanting. And with Lawson waiting in the wings, RB could very well axe him mid season.
Always love a data dive. Great job, I'm sure I'm not alone in being here for any you do.
It's always surprising to me every f1 2025 prediction has DR in redbull
No hate to Danny bc I love his energy but he is treated as a rookie who needs to get used to F1 when in fact he has been there for YEARS. Saying Danny is ‘only’ 2 tenths behind Yuki is insane. If it’s only 2 tenths, why can he not close that gap? Only 2 tenths goes both ways, Yuki is only a little bit slower than Danny so he is not that much better, but Danny is also not better than Yuki bc he seems to not be able to catch up to him while the gap is only so small. It doesn’t make any sense as to why he’s coddled so much for simply not performing. I think Danny unfortunately made some silly career choices. He’s just not as adaptable as Alonso is. Danny should know that about himself, but he still jumped teams like he is a deer in a spring field. Even the comparison with Danny joining McLaren and Lando being there his whole F1 career is bullshit since Oscar came in and immediately delivered and seems so at home and in tune with his car. Ricciardo is such a highly valued driver but he shows none of his qualities. Especially considering Yuki is not valued much at all, so comparing Danny to him and saying he’s ‘only’ a little bit slower is putting Yuki on a pedestal that he does not have.
That must have been a lot of number crunching, especially comparing these race stints
Made for a quality video though, big up!
I don't know what prompted you to do such a deep dive into this unless you're playing his agent. The time gaps are super close up and down the grid outside of Max, so the gap doesn't matter - it's who is quicker. Period. I think Ric is done as an F1 racer, it's proven he cannot adapt to any type of car now since Red Bull was his last car of glory.
As a D. Ric fan, your analysis appears to be pretty spot-on.
Right now, the idea of him being promoted to Red Bull is on hold, and Daniel is now fighting to stay in F1.
But that could change either way over the next three or four races. People in F1 have relatively short memory, and "current form" only goes back two or three races.
Well see what happens between here and the summer break...
tsunami tsunoda 🔛🔝
Its probably fair to assume that the weight difference between the drivers is playing into some of that 1-2 tenth average gap also. Not sure where the RB is in relation to the weight limit, but every kilo of ballast that's better placed helps car balance and driveability.
Thanks for putting the facts out there. It really isn’t as bad as what some people are putting out there about Daniel.
I don’t see Yuki in the RedBull, not when there are other options on the table for RedBull.
Daniel does need to pick it up, I feel it is the setup in the car, but he needs to help the team in fixing that with his experience.
Ricardo fan detected... You're judegemt is cloud by your idolization towards Ricardo. Snap out of it.
@@alphaschneider2468 I don’t idolize anybody!! I actually watch the racing, and I think there are drivers on the grid that are way worse than Daniel and yet no one says anything about getting rid of them!!
Let’s look at some facts on Lawson, Yuki and Daniel according to the GP races
2023 Finishing Positions
Daniel - Hungary P13, Belgium P16, Austin P15, Mexico P7, Brazil P13, Vegas P14, Abu P11 - Daniel has beat Yuki 3 Races out of 7
Yuki - Hungary 15, Belgium 10, USA Austin 8, Mexico 12, Brazil 9, Vegas 18, ABU 8 - Yuki beat Daniel 4 races out of 7
Lawson - Netherlands P13, Italy P11, Singapore P9, Japan P11, Qatar P17 - Lawson beat Yuki 4 races out of 5
Yuki - Netherlands P15, Italy DNF, Singapore DNF, Japan P12, Qatar P15 - Yuki beat Lawson 1 Race out of 5
2024 Races completed
Daniel - Bahrain P13, Saudi Arabia P16, P12 Australia - Daniel beat Yuki 1 race this year so far
Yuki - Bahrain P14, Saudi Arabia P15, P7 Australia- Yuki beat Daniel two races this year so far
Lawson actually drove better than Yuki and beat him according to the finishing stats of the races in 2023. (Very Impressive since this was his first time competing in an F1 car) I do know there was some DNF’s but if we look at GP finishes, Lawson did finish ahead of did his teammate.
Yuki has had 3 years in this car, Daniel only 7 races in 2023 and 3 in 2024, I would have put Lawson in with Daniel this year and had Daniel teach him how to feel the car out and build him into a better driver. I think Lawson has the best chance for the RedBull if he is developed, which is why I think Yuki should not have a seat and Lawson should. Yuki has the seat only due to Honda ties which will end at RB in 2026. Yuki has a short fuse and has been reckless in the car(look at race one of this year on the cool down lap)
Daniel can help develop the car and move it forward, were as Yuki has no chance, last year proves that. When Daniel came into the team and help develop the car to which Yuki had half of the year to do. Daniel is a great driver and the season is still very young, however I think he should be helping Lawson develop his skills and the car instead of Yuki! Yuki is a good driver and has performed the best in qualifying this year, however you need to turn those good qualifying positions into points and he has only been able to do that one time in Australia this year.
It’s not how you qualify it’s how you finish the race, and Yuki hasn’t proven he has the skills to do that every race with him finishing 2-5 places backwards from his Q3 start position with the exception of Australia.
The Older drivers know how to help develop the car and that’s why I think they have a young driver with an older driver. Look at what happened when Haas put two rookie drivers in an F1 seat, doesn’t work. All the F2 and F3 cars are the same and F1 is completely different with each car being developed by the feedback from the drivers as well as engineers.
As Italian born near Faenza, since-Toro Rosso’s ultra, I’ve always loved Yuki since I’ve seen him for the first times getting stomped by Gasly (❤), even in alpha tauri groups he was pretty bullied but I’ve always defended him firmly, I’m very, very happy Yuki is showing what I was expecting from years, hope to see him in a RedBull even if it would be difficult for my team 💙
So ..
If Danny Ric and Yuki cannot be separated based on performance, neither gets promoted to Red Bull?
If Checo continues to show adequate performance he retains his seat for '25?
What happens to Lawson?
I think that the injury to his hand has affected his confidence more so than you would expect
this why i like Tommo he look at the date
I think your Maths are a bit off, or there were some additions because at the bottom of each race analysis you have one race (Bahrain )-0.450 and -0.160 equals 0.305 difference but it should be -0.610 difference for Yuki and the other races the same. So unless that "Average" includes the none related laps it doesn't add up. If its the overall difference then I'm not sure it should be included in the breakdown screen cause it alludes to there being a smaller gap. Just my thoughts.
Feel like most of the comparisons in the video is to make the gap as small as possible.
The -0.610 gap is averaged over 2 stints so -0.610/2 = -0.305. It could be more accurate to take a weighted average where the gap would actually be slightly smaller
Yeah especially Australiam, where Ricc was just saving his tires because he didn't have anyone to race or defend against. It was just sailing in clean air, keeping tires as fresh as possible and still slower than Yuki.
@@F4LCoN13 it seems like if Tommo could get their lap time during VSC and Ricc was faster, he would include it.
Daniel also needs to understand that his competition for the 2025 redbull seat is not just Yuki. But also Sainz and Alonso.
It's no competition really, then
Hes not getting it anyway. He has to hope to not get dropped mid season
@@filmgeschichte. even if they drop him as a driver, they will keep him on a PR role, thats how much RB love him.
As if he doesn’t know that………
lmaoo he aint getting anywhere NEAR that Rb seat😂😂 dude is struggling to hold onto his current seat with a looming liam lawson in the background
Tommo analysis >>>
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I really really rate yuki. I think red bull should seriously consider giving him a chance next year. If he's not the driver you want to take into a new regulation so be it. But I would be so so interested in seeing Yuki in a top team. Just to see what he can really do.
Still early doors but honestly I can only see Yuki getting faster, he's a very talented driver. I like Daniel and I'm glad he got another bite of the cherry but I'm really not sure he is more than a good driver. His wins were perhaps more down to the car than the driver.
8:45 minor correction - Daniel started the race in Bahrain on scrubbed softs so that he would have a fresh set for his final stint
Daniel is trying to prove he still deserves a seat at a top team not just to be in the sport. Everyone has counted Yuki out and questioned whether he even belongs. If Daniel wants to prove anything he should be destroying Yuki on track, both qualifying and races. This battle that Daniel (while close) is losing shows either Yuki is way ahead than we think, or Daniel is way behind where he thinks he is.
Do analysis of Shar Leclair vs Charles Leclerc next.
I can already tell the comments wlll write him off.
Not me. Not yet. Not while he still has a chance. LET HIM COOK!
The grid is really close this year. The next upgrade cycle might change that. Doesn't mean someone is washed up because they are a few tenths off.
That time can be made back on good weekends. You just need more good weekends by the end of the year.
Since when average of 0.168 seconds 2 tenths? It’s literally 0.168 seconds. If you want to round someone would say one and a half tenths. And average being adjusted over .03 is a big deal.
the gta3 a spec music in the backround tickled my inner love getting gold trophies in that game 😎
Stats are great and all, but I judge off of pure personal bias. I like Yuki more than Daniel and I'm glad that he's showing the old timer what for right now.
Your summary at the end about not wanting to see Daniel’s career fade out like this is sad to watch happen. Hopefully it turns around or some sort last hurray
This is a great video! Facts speak better than opinions!! Thanks for this!! Hopefully RB sees this
the Gran Turismo music hit me like a truck
Small gap in a field with even smaller gaps. For me the most concerning part with Daniel is not knowing where to find that bit of pace to fill the gap, like he said in Australia. Add some mistakes (track limits, spin) and it's not looking good for him. At the same time Yuki should avoid those anger moments, knowing he has the upper hand on Daniel and he most likely will have to move to another team at some time, Red Bull's been really open with their intention to sign other drivers.
Now this is a bit of a long comment, but i think it concerns something that has absolutely not been talked about enough...and that's daniel appauling luck last year. he had maybe 2 uncompromised races in his 2023 stint, and in one of those he went absolutly bonkers. so let's paint a more accurate picture of daniels return than the pure finishing positions do:
1. In hungary he was absolutely punted from behind by zhou, went to last and came back to finish in p13 after an amazing long stint on softs
2. Spa, daniel and yuki had identical results that were mirrored in the sprint and the races, daniel had a a marginal track limits for race quali, but qualified well for the sprint. I mean it was so identical between these two that they even benefitted from the same amount of dnf's in the sprint/race they benefitted from.
3. Zandvoort - obviously he broke his hand
4. Austin, running yuki's setup and had a MASSIVE piece of debris in his front left corner which killed his race, before that debris he actually caught up to yuki in the first stint. Yuki's points finish here was really a result of DSQ's farther up and not on track stuff.
5. Mexico, finally, an uncompromised weekend, and he did bit's qualifying p4 without a tow, p7 in the race and was fighting a merc on the last lap
6. Brazil - hit by a flying tyre lap one, placed a lap down by the stewards and was lapping third fastest overall behind the lead pack on race pace, would've beat yuki if not classified a lap down
7. Vegas - uncompromised weekend, car was slow here because of the same reasons it was fast in mexico he drove an okay race, yuki dnf'd
8. Abu Dhabi - tear off in brake duct, had to pit on lap 6? or something absurd like that, put him out of sync but he did well to recover to the edges of the points
So far Yuki has had two significant point finishes that have become huge talking points that are more a result of dnf's and dsq's than they are a result of on track moves and positions...so for people to be able to make a comprehensive decision on daniel this early into the season, given his absolutely horrendous luck so far i think is a little absurd. Theres no denying yuki has been just that little bit faster this year so far, but to brush daniels 'bad luck' as something that isnt a significant dampener on some performances that he had that would have changed the perception of his head to head is a little unfair in my opinion, and it hasnt been made enough of a big deal, because these things can really put a hamper on the momentum a driver really needs to build.