How to Run a Welder Using a Generator
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- I connected my small inverter welder to my generator using an adapter for a cheap, mobile welding setup. This setup used shielded metal arc welding (SMAW) also known as stick welding on a Deko Pro welder connected to a Predator generator from Harbor Freight.
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I dont have access to grid power, I miss welding.
Great video Tim! i bought this exact same set up and posted it on my IG i’ll be making a video on this and posting it on here soon, only difference is i have the Predator 9000 watt generator, it’s been able to handle everything i can throw at it even some 7024 1/8 jetrods at 150amps!
excited to share the video
Oh f**k you ARE timwelds. I was gone tell you to go over to timwelds cause he seems ta know a whole lot more about this s**t than you do. Lol
Tim - after 2 days of attempting to learn to stick weld on a generator, I'm glad I found your video. I'm going to rent a 6kW generator because this 4kW keeps trippin' :)
Am probably going to go for a potential overkill 8kw of it isn't too far, aiming for stick and flux core cause cheaper and can go anywhere with them
You need at least 9000 running watts to run a welder I'm a welder and that's what Ive seen over my years of welding
@@yojellybean02 depends on how many amps you expect to get out of the welder. I ran a Lincoln tombstone at 90 amps on a 5000 running watt generator. Probably could have gone higher but I didn't need that much heat to do the job.
Thanks for the video.
I have a small welder to run on temporary construction power. All of your points are definitely taken into consideration.
Thanks so much. You are a treasure. Never welded before. However, you inspire me to take the rust on my Wrangler HEAD ON. I have an identical generator. Too many talk on inverter welders not compatible with a regular generator. Planning to get the Tooliom 110/220. My question is: can I flux/core on 220v as long as I dont go beyond 100 amps on the Predator 4000? Thanks. Keep on the good work.
My welder is 230v 16amp, I’m in the UK. I’ve considered getting a generator in the past as I can also run my mono lights off it for my photography. I think I'll shelve that idea for now. Thank you very much for this video
We have used the ruclips.net/user/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
Your video helped me to select the right generator for my off road project. Thanks Tim.
Glad I could help!
I was going to make a extension cord for this but that adapter will save me money. Thank you
Thanks Tim. That helped me understand better the wattage needs on a generator.
Thank YOU for that 4 prong to 3 prong adapter cord !!!
I have been trying to figure that out for the past 2 weeks 😅. I have been watching your Arc welding videos and just fixed my tractor mowing deck that had a broken mounting bracket. The welds are ugly as heck but it’s a start. The mower deck is super thin. I was able to use this welder with my Ryobi 6250 generator. It has 2 110v at 20amp receptacle and one 240v at 30amp receptacle. I was concerned that the generator puts out 240V but the welder max voltage is 220V so I was worried that it would damage the welder, but it’s barely over 10% so hopefully it can take the voltage mismatch ok. I got the welder for $103 😂. I’m sure Nov 28 Cyber Monday there will be more coupons or sales for this welder. Love your videos ❤
110V-125V is ‘normal’ 120VAC; they are just numbers. 240V is the same thing as 220V in the USA.
My ‘grid’ power is 125.3V AC right this moment which is normal in this area, so the phases are technically ~250VAC.
110V to 125V is 120V “nominal” and what we like to call “220 volt” is 240V nominal. So your concern is really a non-issue.
I have the exact same H-F predator generator. And Amazon adapter. It's a good little setup for ~most~ side jobs. And was relatively inexpensive. I actually prefer having this setup, compared to an engine driven welder, just for portability and versatility of the generator. Inverter welders weigh nothing, and i can use the generator for other jobs, power outages or camping, whenever needed.
I agree. Inverter and generator is a great way to go. I think my main limitation is reduced output from high altitude.
What’s the adapter you used?
@@lvalle1994 It's a 120/240 adapter. I don't remember the exact one, but they're cheap on Amazon. Like, 20 bucks or less. Definitely wroth it.
I run an Ac 225 Lincoln at 120amps. I found I burn for 15 second with 6011 and pause then go head and start again. My generator is a 6250 storm responder Briggs and Stratton. Also this is on 3/16 2 7x8 thick pipe. Keep the videos coming bro appreciate your information.
@@randomhk8634 in the welder?
Harmonic distortion is why you can't get the full 100a. Large dc loads mess with the waveform coming from of the generator and even the grid which creates a feedback loop. If the generator isn't inverter style with low thd you can only load it to 50% with a dc load. Harmonic distortion is also hard on the electronics in the welder also.
What about an AC welder?
Partly true, yes. Many cheap inverter (switch mode) devices rely on stable input frequency 2 generate voltage. The good 1s self generate / regulate the reference frequency. Most cheap generators cannot maintain frequency as the voltage with increased load. Simply, the switch mode device gets confused resilting in voltage and current variances. Such is why I prefer transformer units.
Thanks for the education. I'm glad I came across your comment, I almost made the mistake of trying this
He was probably 10% out with the power factor aswell I have a simular machine with 240v and 25amp requirement to make 120amp dc with a .75pf it means I need a 4.5k watt genny or higher
Thank goodness you guys are here. I got a 6k that didn't work as well. Now seeing this and what I need I can safely say what I need to get working again.
Thanks! Loved the caculation bit, just what i needed
Thank you for the link for the adaptor. I have a 6500 gen and it should work using that adaptor.
Thank you that was very helpful great information
What a great show! Thank you!
Wassup tim, love the videos and you been a big help, could you make a video explaining watts, volts, amps, and how it related to welding
If you have a little technical know how. This video is quite informative. Thank you. Trying to determine if my 4375 watt predator generator will run my titanium 220 stick welder. I use it for work on the road. I have a 460 amp generator I use that I engineered from a Cummins 12 valve with John deer parts in my trailer. But for the jobs out in the field far away from where I can park the generator. I use the bobcat with a mini generator and welder. This is great help. Allows me to be a bit more practical for the variance in my field.
Thanks for the video. I just bought a cheapo 4 in 1 welder hoping I could use the 220 volt outlet on my generator. My generator is the same size as yours. Funny thing my Miller synchrowave 250 would run on it at about 70 amps Tig welding.
Love this welder. Ive done sheet metal w it. Thats something ive never done w a stick welder
Good video. You deserve much more views and subscribers
Tim, Thanks for the video, it really helped with my decision on getting a generator to power my welder.
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@@tonisam962 i dislike you after watching that,i thought it was going to have something usefull on it,not just common sense
I made that adapter a few decades ago and to get the generator to give the full power you will have to wire the throttle on full as it will not be able to push out a constant wattage while trying to regulate itself.
I run my welder on a generator and it works pretty well. Your setup is pretty close tho. The setup that would work is very limited though. You'll only be able to run a 120v welder on it. For example my Lincoln Le31mp is a 120v 15a plug. Multiply Amps X Volts to get 1800. Now look at the wattage of your generator. That's awfully close to the required juice ro run your welder. If you were to run this on a Predator 9000, it would work because it's got 72500 running watts. That's plenty of power to run something requiring 1800 watts. Also I have a splitter that goes from 240 to 2 120s. This will keep you from tripping your GFCI on your generator.
Good video bud informative and to the point and not a bunch of pointless rambling
My 5kw Diesel did it,till the capacitor of the Regulator unit blowed up.I have replaced it and now works.
it is very helpful. i have a diy container house project, needed to do some welding in the desert, but don't know what kind of generator needed for it.
per the sales reps ive talked to from various welder manufactuers(idk if i should say who exactly) but generally speaking all recommend atleast 7000watts 120v and 13000 watts for 230v so to them our running fairly low to be able to run that welder at max...i run my welders off a 13k start and 10.5k running and have had no issues at all thus far good luck in the future
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR THIS!!! THIS ANSWERS A COULPLE BIG QUESTIONS I WAS ROLLING AROUND... NOW I KNOW WHAT I NEED, AND WHAT WILL SUFFICE.
This video helped me understand the relationship btwn voltage and amps. I've always known Ohms Law. But I kept dividing Watts by 240 volts. No! You need to divide by the ambient voltage! So that's how we get so many amps? Hmm. Thanks for that little bit. Now I know....
Well in a way its logic no?
If you were to run 240V and 120A you’d pull 29kW. Wich is enormous lol
A mig welder runs between 17-50V if I recall correctly, its’ll be something in that ballpark.
Thanks Tim 👍👍👍
No problem 👍
I like your mind knowing about density altitude and the air molecules for the generators power
Thanks a lot dude I’ll subscribe & like video, answered all my questions.
Good stuff! Thats a good size generator too..
4,000 is very small for a welder.
In a pinch you can always raise the throttle on the generator to push some more power out of it if you had to
not a good idea, you don't necessarily get more power out of it,
you will get a higher voltage and a higher frequency, which will fry your household appliances if you decide to use the generator for that afterwards
@@turtmastert3545or your inverter welder; it can probably deal with the voltage but the frequency is an issue
Thanks!
some generators come with "high altitude" kits. they have smaller carb jets because the engine not only has less air to work with at higher altitude, but it also becomes WAY too rich which also robs power. so you throw smaller jets in and it at least bring the fuel air ratio closer to where it should be.
Very good info
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Thanks Tim for the video
I have a lincoln stick welder 225 will it work fine on my honda EB5000X
Thank you!
Great video
Just bought a Harbor Freight 3500 Inverter generator. I have a Miller 211 inverter mig welder that will run on 120 or 240. I welds 1/8 with .030 wire like a dream using 75/25 gas and a 25' 16ga extension cord on 120V. The generator will not carry the welder on a 120 20A outlet with no extension cord. I have a L5 30A twist lock adapter on the way from Amazon. I will give the 30A receptacle a try report back later in the week.
How'd it work out..?
@@georgehofgren6123I’m wondering too
He’s squeezing the amperage down with that thin extension cord. Too thin for the load- fire hazard. It’s just a cumbersome resister at 16ga
He said elevation had sumn to do with it !!! Lol. Got damn I love youboob
*Im glad you posted this i was wonder what specs would i need to run my welder off, seeing that its a bigger welding unit looks like ill need quite high specs to run my unit without issues* Thanks TIM Dexterous X
Thanks for the numbers!
I bought a similar generator and have the klutch ti80, it should run perfect.
Hi I’ve got a esab rouge 200i stick welder it says recommended a 7 kw generator but what would you recommend ?
hi..awesome work. I have always wanted to use the generator for my work, but it is not easy to find the right information online about the right generator. Could you please share the link for the generator you used here
Great video.
Cool video. Are you able to run the dynasty welder using tig of the generator?
So what generator would I use for my Hobart 140 sir? To get the best highest safe usage for welding?
Tim, I have a Harbor Freight Titanium 170 and a Champion 9000 duel fuel I run on propane. What's your opinion on this Genset with this welder?
Hey what’s the adapter called on Amazon ? I’ve been trying to look for it but i haven’t found it …
Bought a 5600W 30A gen hoping this works. We will only have solar at our new property and I need to do A LOT of welding. I have a harborfright mig welder I think it will run just fine but my inverter 160A might be a prob. We shall see!
I like the Lincoln 90 inverter welder, 3000 watt inverter is suppose to be able to run it.
Get a fire blanket please sir that’s some nice concrete down there. I’ve burnt up plenty concrete as an Ironworker
Thanks for another excellent helpful video Tim!
Question: Do you think the H.F. Titanium 125 Flux welder would do okay in the scenario? (4k watt gas gen.)
Thank in advance for your reply. Really appreciate all the great welding vid's! Keep-em-coming! ( :
It wouldn’t work well with this generator, because each 120 volt plug is limited to 13 amps. If it is a generator with a 30 amp 120 volt outlet, I think it would work, but as you saw, I’ve been wrong before. 😀
@@TimWelds That's what I needed to know. Thanks for the info! And remember, You're only human and supposed to be wrong once in a while! ( ;
I'm using the big plug that goes into 110v regular plug the. Gen bogs out too
Thanks for the information, question does a small generator have any negative effects on an inverter welder ?
Thanks William Orange County, CA.
Hey William! I think it really depends on the particular welder and generator. Some may have electronics that could get damaged from the "dirty power" from some generators. Aside from that, however, I assume that it's usually fine as long as the generator provides adequate power to run the welder. I know a lot of people that run little inverters with generators and they have worked fine for years.
I'm really considering going with a welder generator now. I've been on the fence but I'd gain far more utility out of that purchase
The engine drive welders are really nice. I do know several people who run welders off of a generator, this generator is just too small.
If you watch any videos I made I run a similar stick welder off of a 6800/8500 watt generator pretty much full time and have had zero issues with that set up.
I know on my honda manual says generator capacity is reduced by 7ish% for every 1000 feet (starting at 500') above sea level. In high country you can buy kits to change the air fuel mix and get more out of you generator.
Can you use the predator 3500 inverter generator with the titanium 140 welder?
*laughs in 25 kVA diesel generator*
Thanks!
Any clues or just plain guesses (your guess is far better than mine) how a 3/32 7014 rod would run with this setup??
hey man do you think the predator 9000 peak generator would be goods to run a mulltimatic 200?
Good info! Now I can run my Lincoln 210 MP off my generator which it puts 7000 running watts on 240 volts, thanks!
There's not much that you can't do with a sweet setup like that!
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So I got the same welder what generator do you recommend I should get . I’m also using 3/32 7018
Well F word there goes that bright idea !
If you want a real gen that is made to weld with and be mobile get the predator 9000 for 800$ you get a good gen for the price and you wont need to worry about setting the amps to high ever as long as you got gas to fill it
Good video and good watt calculations. Probably your generator is 4k peak, and 3.5 continuous watts. I know engine welders are rated that way... I learned to weld on a engine drive because I didn't have to electric service to run a 300a DC welder.. anyhow my neighbors wanted to kill me! It was very noisy but I learned quickly 😆
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That part about the neighbors 🤔
Which generator would you recommend for someone who wants to start a side hustle?
My duro max has 850 watt more but it trips when I use eazy weld & cen-tech 90 amp what can I do to midify or update without buying another generator?
My other Amico stick welder does work why is that ?
are you running the machine on the 120v setting here or 240v?
Hi. May I know if you're using a welding generator? Can I use a non-welding generator for my inverter welder? I'm from the Philippines . We recently have no power for 5months or beyond without assurance after the typhoon has recently destroyed our homes and livelihood. So I'm planning to buy a GenSet but I honestly have limited knowledge about this thing. Your help is greatly appreciated 🙂.
I ran mine off a 6000 running watt genny ran fine full range.
Awesome! Looks like you got the right size. I love the channel name, by the way.
@@TimWelds thanks, ya i got a Hobart now but years ago the 6k watt genny did me well.
I used the same generator. runs 1/8th" 7014 at 110 amps. usually ran about 107 about 6 just fine. h get another spring to hold the throttle more open
Have the same generator. Kept running into generator overload when running my LE31MP on it today. Had to swap to a larger generator.
HF titanium 125 fluxcore with dewalt 6500? Is that a good match up?
Biggest generator than you need is the best choice
I have been using a generator to weld for years but I use a bigger 8000 watt. When I turn up the power to 200 amp it bogs a little bit.
Please explain whay your power level would drop since you are at a higher elevation. Ive never heard this before. Thanks
Thanks so much. You are a treasure. Never welded before. However, you inspire me to take the rust on my Wrangler HEAD ON. I have an identical generator. Too many talk on inverter welders not compatible with a regular generator. Planning to get the Tooliom 110/220. My question is: can I flux/core on 220v as long as I dont go beyond 100 amps on the Predator 4000? Thanks. Keep on the good work.
I have a lincoin 50 amp 220 arc welder and just bought a 13000SW/10500RW generator. doesnt even bust a small line out
Can I use a welder on the 8750 watt?
Where did you get that powerboard , orange one
I always thought you had to have clean power and if not it would effect it negatively? And most generators are dirty power? Been trying to figure that all out
It's not that they have dirty power, it's that non-inverter generators tend to have voltage/amperage fluctuation while running
Can you do a reboot 3 in 1 welder, mig , stick and lift tig
Cool vid, but next time step aside so we can see that badass welding equipment setup under yout TW sign! lol!
I have a 12k peak 9600 running watt generator. I can’t weld a thing. Sticks rods like crazy, near impossible to get a stable weld and any amperage. And trying mig it only runs for about a second then the weld stops but the wire feeds like 2 feet on its own. Not sure what I can do. I’m running off the 50amp outlet.
from the output of the generator you suppose equip a capacitor bank for run the welding machine.
No that’s kind of ridiculous and costly and someone’s libel to up getting hurt doing it what you do is you go buy a welder generator combo Hobart and Lincoln both make a real nice one
You need about a 7,500 starting watts generator and you won’t have this problem!!!
Can you review that welder. I was looking to buy thay one.
Funny you should ask. That was today's project. Here's the link: ruclips.net/video/iJkNth1BcXk/видео.html . Thanks!
Hi sir..do we need use adapter when welding using a generator?
In the USA, the standard plugs on welders with 240 volt input are different than those on most generators. That is the only reason for the adapter.
I have a 230v multi process welder, I hooked it up, set it to stick, I went to go weld (stick), but it wouldn’t weld. The machine was saying low voltage input. I can also plug the welder into a 120 outlet, but can’t weld at high amperage for my bigger 1/8” rods. Is there a solution??? Thank you!
Bigger generator is the solution, and/or an inverter generator.
I can’t find the link to that adapter that you use I would really like to find that thanks for the help in advance
Here's a link: amzn.to/2Rxmw8f
Can you do a review on a Parker brand 200 amp stick welder from amazon ?
Thanks for the comment! There are so many welders out there that it's not possible to review them all, but I did review this Deko, which may be similar to the parker.
I have a 250amp DC welder but I have a AC 220v 6500w generator would that work? Btw new sub here
What stick were you using?
Hmm good enough for me. Thanks
hi Tim, I have a welding machine of 6.3 kva, 110 volts, 50 amps ...... what must be the power required to weld normally on a generator
From what you're saying, a 6.5kw would probably be safe, but it's best to have extra power when you're arcing up. This video demonstrates how the watts tend to go missing on their angry pixie way to the welder.
110V at 50A = 5500W
He explained about 15% “losses” for inverter generators (so 6500W gen) and 50% on engine regulated generators (so 11,000W generator).
I just got a Predator 4375 which has 3500 running watts and 15amp breakers. Would it be able to run better on it?
Does it have 240V outputs?
So get the 9000 watt generator?
Hmm I'd never thought about the plugs and only giving %50 thanks.
Great video