I love how paradox tried so hard to kill the block the water strat, hitting both shipbuilding time and fort assult ability, and people just do it anyway
The developers sometimes see players as rivals to screw over, not customers to satisfy. No one was upset by blocking the straits strategy. It was the developers who were salty.
@@sld1776 Yep. I mean, just look at the consistent removal of Byzantine cores since 1.0. Or the reduction of Greek provinces. Like, it's great to have the events in the mission tree, but they keep buffing the Ottomans over and fuckin' over just so they can be "the best nation for beginners".
@@whitegoose2017 if you're thinking about how Ottomans can vassalize basically all of Muslim world in the first 5-6 years... Mamluks can do that too. In fact you can do that to Italy as France, or to Indochina as Ming. The big difference is that Ottomans have a special vassal type that doesn't cost a diplo slot so while as Mamluks you can only vassalize few countries, and then use their claims and cores to conquer the rest, as Ottomans you can just vassalize everyone
Grant adm and mil privileges then sell titles for even more money. The lower your crownland when you sell titles, the more money you get. You end up at the same amount of crownlands regardless but it's a simple change that might help.
With the provinces from Napoli, after getting all of Balkan provinces from Ottomans, stating all those provinces, and decreasing their autonomy, you're a bit stronger than Hungary... except you don't need to deal with full-force Ottomans anymore since you just took half their lands, lands they need to get Jannisaries so their army quality will also suffer A LOT. You have much better mission tree, more conquest-oriented national ideas, a bunch of events that can give you insane power points generation if you're willing to savescum a bit (for example in this video alone, if Playmaker chose to just get 1 mil point for his heir instead of funding his raid, and then savescum 3 times, he'd have 525 more mil points, than he did at the end of this video- 150 from the raid, and 75 for every -25 mil point event he got, since the alternative is getting a +50 mil points (those are special Byzantine events, they also come in adm and dip flavours, and will fire independently of any other events about once every 3-4 years, until you unlock your 4th national idea)) And you still have a few countries you can easily conquer without much AE: Serbia, Wallachia, Bosnia, most likely also Albania, and finish off the Napoli, before your next, this time fair, war with the Ottomans. Yeah, I would say that, if you did everything shown in this video right, and aren't drowning in debt, by the end of following this video, you should be very much fine.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PATROL STRAT. I tried doing the same strat on VH today and it works, the only difference is you can't ally the pope so you need mil access through Aragon (not in war so Naples can't cross). Also, patrolling with navies can be finnicky, sometimes your ships will stop for too long and enemies will cross. Alternatively you can shift click between provinces a thousand times they will keep looping without stopping.
Thank you .. This is exactly what I needed to see. A well explained "how to play" video. I tried to play Byzantium many years ago with help from the videos from the legend .. Budget Monk, however much has changes since then and this video explained alot. Thank You
Its best to know what guides youre looking for. Budgetmonk is more about minmaxing than "heres a way even for beginners". Even then, youre allowed to deviate where you see fit, such as whether you annex Bulgaria outright or do the rebel strat
At this point I already know how to carpet siege, but when I was a newbie I couldn’t figure out the Select + S and then Right Click + ESC thing for a long time. What a nightmare it was to do it with just my mouse. It’s nice to see that you actually explain such a trivial thing.
Awesome to see how optimised these strategies can get, to the point where 90% of the work is in the theorycrafting and 10% is in the final execution. Reminds me of those No Hit - All Bosses runs of Elden Ring.
Thank you for this movie! I would surely appreciate to see the alternative strategy too. And it would be interesting to see similar guides to Genoa and Venice and Naples.
A few weeks ago I finished a campaign with Byzantium turning into a full Europe and Russia annexation and forming the Roman Empire. That's the biggest campaign I've made sice I play EU4
I wish you thought through your sequence of when to show things more. You showed us this minutes long setup, and then told us to make a save, and then were like "Oh and you need a diplo rep advisor". Maybe you should start with things that are required before you show the setup once you have those things. You also said "I want to show you both styles" with the "Confirmation of the Council of Florence" event, implying you would go back and show it. I watched for a bit seeing if you would address how you have departed far down this path, acknowledging the other one, to the point where I realized I should just skip to the end, and lo and behold, you said "Let me know if you guys would be interested in an alternate way to play Byzantium, where we instead side with the Catholics...". Not only do you not directly address you are talking about that aforementioned event decision, but which is it? Do you want to show it to us, or do you want us to let you know if we want to see it? I know these criticisms can sound like I'm angry, but I really just mean them to be constructive so that you take the time to improve this product you are presenting. I like the gameplay you have, but just a little more effort towards your communication would go a long way. Another thing, which is not exclusive to this video, but happens fairly regularly, is you forgetting to do something when you should. In this video it was not firing the diplo rep advisor in time. When you make a mistake like that you could A: Start over and do it right the second time, or more logically B: Edit in a clip of you firing the guy at the appropriate time to do so, even if you didn't. Everyone makes mistakes, we are human, but you don't need to keep them in your guides.
Honestly, this comes down to a huge part editing... I'm not an editor, I just enjoy playing Europa. So at the time of recording, I did intend to show the alternate style. But the video is already long enough as it is, so I decided to move that to a future vid if people enjoyed the style. I can understand the point of view though. If I had the knowledge of how to edit certain things, it would likely make more sense. Thanks for the feedback at any rate. Its hard to address an issue, when you don't know what the issue is. So I will keep this in mind.
I like the video idea. If you dont mind, I use this opportunity to stroke my own ego a little: Setting the difficulty to 'hard' (or above) makes the early diplo for small nations a lot harder due to the -20 acceptance modifier for alliances. Ergo, no easy early alliance with the Pope and no easy Invasion of Naples. (Now that I think about it: would military access be enough? I forgot how blackflagging works on declaration of war.) Anyways, I would love to see your take on this difficulty some day, but I guess three Byzantium-videos back to back would be a bit overkill.
I'm not sure if I'm remembering right, but I think allying venice and genoa allows your ships to be built faster? Also the clergy estate privilege that gives you moral while at war with other religions and ten years afterwards, which Naples is.
Hey playmaker, why did you siege the ottoman forts with your actual men instead of using mercs? I thought itd be better to siege with the mercs and use the normal men to loot and save some money and manpower
can you please do Ming Over-Explained? I want to play Ming but it just feels too difficult to grasp. Mission tree, general flow of the game with the disasters and stuff, eunuchs, everything. We need help about Ming!
With all the early conquests would it not be worth giving less privileges so you get more crownland from conquering? I suppose byz has a lot of early debuffs that it might be a bit of a luxury since religious diplomats and things like the draft are pretty important. Also might mess up bulgarian autonomy but just a thought
Hey Playmaker, if you reject union of churches you do not get the mercenary cost -15% because you don't have the privilege anymore right? cause it's not country modifier but estate privilege modifier
Naples doesn't always get independence like that through the event, they can stay under Aragon or they can get supporters who help them get independence and then they have powerful allies. I prefer a strategy that does not rely on alt+f4. I've found fighting the Turks easier than starting out fighting Aragon or Naples and whoever supported their independence.
Hey Playmaker! Just a thought, do you think you could release Bulgaria as vassal before the rebels defect from the Ottomans to get the lands as such and get less AE?
@@Theplaymaker57it's a trend on social media these days, Americans girlfriends showing off their (usually southern) Italian partners to get some clout on the internet.
@@Theplaymaker57 perhaps "before"... though I think shifting away from Greek is cringe as Byz. Though it is technically better because Italian is a much larger culture group.
good tutorial, idk why tutorials always tell viewers that taking edirne in peace deal is not worth becouse its "easy warscore" i dont understand this cope tbh until this day, second war with ottomans is free and easy just go religious admin and world conquest
there is no "g" in "Hajduk", it's a Hungarian word you pronounce "j' like a long "i"... Alternatively you can call them cowboys. "Hajduk" comes from "Hajto" which means "driver" and it came from Hungarian cattle drivers, ie. cowboys.
I love how paradox tried so hard to kill the block the water strat, hitting both shipbuilding time and fort assult ability, and people just do it anyway
"Oh, you're using the game's rules as they are intended to be used? You'll lose!"
"Nah, I'd win."
The developers sometimes see players as rivals to screw over, not customers to satisfy. No one was upset by blocking the straits strategy. It was the developers who were salty.
@@sld1776 Yep. I mean, just look at the consistent removal of Byzantine cores since 1.0. Or the reduction of Greek provinces. Like, it's great to have the events in the mission tree, but they keep buffing the Ottomans over and fuckin' over just so they can be "the best nation for beginners".
@@nehemiahkenny5027 Ottomans are completely broken cuz you don't even need to fight to win
everyone just *WANTS* to be your vassals
@@whitegoose2017 if you're thinking about how Ottomans can vassalize basically all of Muslim world in the first 5-6 years... Mamluks can do that too. In fact you can do that to Italy as France, or to Indochina as Ming.
The big difference is that Ottomans have a special vassal type that doesn't cost a diplo slot so while as Mamluks you can only vassalize few countries, and then use their claims and cores to conquer the rest, as Ottomans you can just vassalize everyone
Grant adm and mil privileges then sell titles for even more money. The lower your crownland when you sell titles, the more money you get. You end up at the same amount of crownlands regardless but it's a simple change that might help.
What next, are you going to ask me to micro?
@@Theplaymaker57 What noooo that'd be crazy.
bold of you to assume that I would be self sufficient after winning the first otto war
With the provinces from Napoli, after getting all of Balkan provinces from Ottomans, stating all those provinces, and decreasing their autonomy, you're a bit stronger than Hungary... except you don't need to deal with full-force Ottomans anymore since you just took half their lands, lands they need to get Jannisaries so their army quality will also suffer A LOT. You have much better mission tree, more conquest-oriented national ideas, a bunch of events that can give you insane power points generation if you're willing to savescum a bit (for example in this video alone, if Playmaker chose to just get 1 mil point for his heir instead of funding his raid, and then savescum 3 times, he'd have 525 more mil points, than he did at the end of this video- 150 from the raid, and 75 for every -25 mil point event he got, since the alternative is getting a +50 mil points (those are special Byzantine events, they also come in adm and dip flavours, and will fire independently of any other events about once every 3-4 years, until you unlock your 4th national idea)) And you still have a few countries you can easily conquer without much AE: Serbia, Wallachia, Bosnia, most likely also Albania, and finish off the Napoli, before your next, this time fair, war with the Ottomans.
Yeah, I would say that, if you did everything shown in this video right, and aren't drowning in debt, by the end of following this video, you should be very much fine.
I remember my run with Byz, I got a PU over Muscovy about 40 years in. Lets just say it was quite amazing.
I actually Alt f4ed getting one in the first 2 years recently... because the RNG was too good
@@Theplaymaker57 Damn, that is basicly the game handing the whole campaign to you.
Meanwhile my run with Byz (pre-update) had my dynasty on so many thrones and yet not a single PU
@@punishedwhirligig3353 The jealousy is strong within this one.
@@noxfelis5333 pdx persecuting the poor ol clown boi by not giving me pu's
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PATROL STRAT. I tried doing the same strat on VH today and it works, the only difference is you can't ally the pope so you need mil access through Aragon (not in war so Naples can't cross). Also, patrolling with navies can be finnicky, sometimes your ships will stop for too long and enemies will cross. Alternatively you can shift click between provinces a thousand times they will keep looping without stopping.
Glad to hear, I have on rare occasion seen the patrol fail. I think it happens when they engage in combat(Maybe) but your idea also works out well.
Thank you .. This is exactly what I needed to see. A well explained "how to play" video.
I tried to play Byzantium many years ago with help from the videos from the legend .. Budget Monk, however much has changes since then and this video explained alot. Thank You
Its best to know what guides youre looking for. Budgetmonk is more about minmaxing than "heres a way even for beginners". Even then, youre allowed to deviate where you see fit, such as whether you annex Bulgaria outright or do the rebel strat
At this point I already know how to carpet siege, but when I was a newbie I couldn’t figure out the Select + S and then Right Click + ESC thing for a long time. What a nightmare it was to do it with just my mouse.
It’s nice to see that you actually explain such a trivial thing.
Awesome to see how optimised these strategies can get, to the point where 90% of the work is in the theorycrafting and 10% is in the final execution. Reminds me of those No Hit - All Bosses runs of Elden Ring.
I didn’t even know naval patrol was a button in the game with 2000 hours
good to see an explainer 👍
comment just to say that i really enjoyed this video. love the invade italy first strat
Thank you for this series. sometimes strats get a little confusing
Thank you for this movie! I would surely appreciate to see the alternative strategy too. And it would be interesting to see similar guides to Genoa and Venice and Naples.
A few weeks ago I finished a campaign with Byzantium turning into a full Europe and Russia annexation and forming the Roman Empire. That's the biggest campaign I've made sice I play EU4
This is great, more please
Good strat & video
you can get more moral bonus by doing the religious war thing since Epirus is Catholic
Good Byzantium guide.
I wish you thought through your sequence of when to show things more. You showed us this minutes long setup, and then told us to make a save, and then were like "Oh and you need a diplo rep advisor". Maybe you should start with things that are required before you show the setup once you have those things.
You also said "I want to show you both styles" with the "Confirmation of the Council of Florence" event, implying you would go back and show it. I watched for a bit seeing if you would address how you have departed far down this path, acknowledging the other one, to the point where I realized I should just skip to the end, and lo and behold, you said "Let me know if you guys would be interested in an alternate way to play Byzantium, where we instead side with the Catholics...". Not only do you not directly address you are talking about that aforementioned event decision, but which is it? Do you want to show it to us, or do you want us to let you know if we want to see it?
I know these criticisms can sound like I'm angry, but I really just mean them to be constructive so that you take the time to improve this product you are presenting. I like the gameplay you have, but just a little more effort towards your communication would go a long way.
Another thing, which is not exclusive to this video, but happens fairly regularly, is you forgetting to do something when you should. In this video it was not firing the diplo rep advisor in time. When you make a mistake like that you could A: Start over and do it right the second time, or more logically B: Edit in a clip of you firing the guy at the appropriate time to do so, even if you didn't. Everyone makes mistakes, we are human, but you don't need to keep them in your guides.
Honestly, this comes down to a huge part editing... I'm not an editor, I just enjoy playing Europa. So at the time of recording, I did intend to show the alternate style. But the video is already long enough as it is, so I decided to move that to a future vid if people enjoyed the style. I can understand the point of view though. If I had the knowledge of how to edit certain things, it would likely make more sense. Thanks for the feedback at any rate. Its hard to address an issue, when you don't know what the issue is. So I will keep this in mind.
Control groups are news to me, 3044 hours in :)
Very curious to see you go down the Catholic path
Great style
Have you made one for Granada?
This is bad ass. Once I finish BG3 I'll try this strat! Thank you, this has been my brick wall
I like the video idea.
If you dont mind, I use this opportunity to stroke my own ego a little: Setting the difficulty to 'hard' (or above) makes the early diplo for small nations a lot harder due to the -20 acceptance modifier for alliances.
Ergo, no easy early alliance with the Pope and no easy Invasion of Naples. (Now that I think about it: would military access be enough? I forgot how blackflagging works on declaration of war.)
Anyways, I would love to see your take on this difficulty some day, but I guess three Byzantium-videos back to back would be a bit overkill.
You'd get blackflagged with only mil access. You need an alliance and mil access, but you do not have to call them into the war.
OTRO EPISODIO UNO DE BYZ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH NO PUEDE SER
es la verdad 🤕
I'm not sure if I'm remembering right, but I think allying venice and genoa allows your ships to be built faster? Also the clergy estate privilege that gives you moral while at war with other religions and ten years afterwards, which Naples is.
You just need to have 50+ relations with them. Alliance status doesn't affect it (though it makes it much easier).
Hey playmaker, why did you siege the ottoman forts with your actual men instead of using mercs? I thought itd be better to siege with the mercs and use the normal men to loot and save some money and manpower
Would love to get this answered: I try to siege with mercs in my early wars if the enemy armies aren't an immediate threat
can you please do Ming Over-Explained? I want to play Ming but it just feels too difficult to grasp. Mission tree, general flow of the game with the disasters and stuff, eunuchs, everything. We need help about Ming!
Very nice
With all the early conquests would it not be worth giving less privileges so you get more crownland from conquering? I suppose byz has a lot of early debuffs that it might be a bit of a luxury since religious diplomats and things like the draft are pretty important. Also might mess up bulgarian autonomy but just a thought
Hey Playmaker, if you reject union of churches you do not get the mercenary cost -15% because you don't have the privilege anymore right? cause it's not country modifier but estate privilege modifier
Naples doesn't always get independence like that through the event, they can stay under Aragon or they can get supporters who help them get independence and then they have powerful allies. I prefer a strategy that does not rely on alt+f4. I've found fighting the Turks easier than starting out fighting Aragon or Naples and whoever supported their independence.
its like 90% chance. You don't need to rely on Alt f4, just restart... its the first 5 years of the game.
are you using any dlc? because I do not see this mission tree. Newbe here 😛
Hey Playmaker! Just a thought, do you think you could release Bulgaria as vassal before the rebels defect from the Ottomans to get the lands as such and get less AE?
No, I covered this is my previous byz video, it causes 150% + lib desire for some reason
@@Theplaymaker57 Ah that's unfortunate. Thank you so much for the reply! Wish you a most magnificent RNG on all your games!
Should've shifted to Neapolitan bf doing the mission
tfw no Neapolitan bf
I have no idea what this means... Neapolitan boyfriend?
@@Theplaymaker57it's a trend on social media these days, Americans girlfriends showing off their (usually southern) Italian partners to get some clout on the internet.
Do you mean switch to Neapolitan culture? Byz is and end game tag so there's not really a point to that
@@Theplaymaker57 perhaps "before"... though I think shifting away from Greek is cringe as Byz. Though it is technically better because Italian is a much larger culture group.
good tutorial, idk why tutorials always tell viewers that taking edirne in peace deal is not worth becouse its "easy warscore" i dont understand this cope tbh until this day, second war with ottomans is free and easy just go religious admin and world conquest
Where the part 2 of Ulm To Rum at?
Thats remains to be edited haha
can we play without perfect rng because when you play multiplayer you cant alt+f4 and can you make one for netherlands?
I was actually going to make a follow-up strategy, that is less RNG and gimicky.(I mention at end of vid)
people play byz in MP outside of gimmick campaigns?
@@Podzhagitel Why not?
there is no "g" in "Hajduk", it's a Hungarian word you pronounce "j' like a long "i"... Alternatively you can call them cowboys. "Hajduk" comes from "Hajto" which means "driver" and it came from Hungarian cattle drivers, ie. cowboys.
I like this game but even if I play to the day I die. I´ll never learn all the aspects of the game so I´m going to enjoy this, Thank you very much 😁