LISTEN to MUSIC while you ride? | Freecom 4+ Review
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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I figured it was finally time to try a different helmet Bluetooth system since the only company I had ever used was Sena. That brings me to this video where we try out the Cardo Freecom 4+ and see if this collaboration with JBL to make the speakers actually works better!
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That was actually one of the best, honest, informative, usable, “real world” reviews I’ve ever seen.
just installed mine on my agv and gonna try it out tomorrow
Man that’s some goals right there you and your wife (gf) riding with you just chillin and talking
I have been using bluetooth for years on my motorcycle. I have used SENA and Cardo. I always ended up going back to my Cardo because the Sena is more difficult to use and the music sounds better on the Cardo.
1. About the fly. I would suggest flypaper strips. Hang it away from the walls to entourage the fly to land on it, instead of something else near by. They dont look that great aesthetically, but they do work pretty well.
2. I have a 20s and the one major issue i have had with it, is it does NOT have overcharge protection. So leaving it plugged in overnight or over long periods actually damages the battery. So my battery bloated and expanded. For the Freecom, can you look into if it has overcharge protection, and see how easy it would be to replace the battery in it, if needed?
Thanks.
That's a good question
I have been using a Cardo packtalk for 3 years now and love them. our whole group uses them and they work great. Its great for group rides!!
Does any significant difference between regular speaking and JBL?
i wanna buy freecom 4+ but find out Packtalk bold with same price
@@BalbonVlogs , I've the same question! Did you already get an answer?? Thanks
Damn you just had to mention the sound quality of the JBL's. My buddy and I are getting ready to pull the trigger on the 30K duo pack, but now after watching this....
Do you now have a year experience with the JBL quality and the freecom 4+? If yes, I would really like to hear your opinion :)
@@KSlump lol
midland next pro has also an amzing sound
Nice review once again Chase.
I just recently purchased the Freecom 2+ instead of the 4+. The sound is crisp and loud, like it very much. The 2+ is bang for the buck and perfect when you're riding 95% of the time solo. It differs in the JBL speakers, up to four riders and comm distance compared to the 4+. So when you're riding solo and you don't want to spend a lot of money, I recommend the 2+ over the 4+.
Heather needs to be in more videos! She's great, appreciated her comments on the devices.
Already have a freecom 4+ and I love it especially that you can be on the phone and have your music in the background
Aye, how's the music volume when you get over 70mph
@@DRex45 it's perfect I have regular volume conversation at 100+ mph and music sounds perfect
@@adriansepulveda9588 sounds good, already pulled the trigger early and was just gonna be my own judge. But your answer is assuring
Does the voice control work on your divice? Mine does not respond to the commands.
hw u do that? cant manage to make that work
Chase never disappoints. I've been ghosting your channel for years but don't comment much.
Keep up the great work! I just ordered a Freecom 4+ for an early bday gift to myself to get ready for the riding season in Chicago.
I’ve been using cardo packtalk bold for a good year now and it’s awesome. Crystal clear, fast to pair, waterproof, etc. my dad and I ride all the time and I’ll show up to his house, put on helmet and it instantly connects like our last ride. Same for other groups I’ve made. Can easily add a Sena too if needed. Battery life lasts all day (all week if I’m just commuting to work listening to music). Either way, these companies are Donny great stuff with communicators. Great time to be a rider. Great review Chase!
I use a Cardo Packtalk Bold. Easy to use with voice commands, great sound quality and mic clarity. Being waterproof to a standard is a must for this type of device (tested last week for 8 hours straight of riding in the rain on tour with no issues).
For the fly you could find your inner zen and do a Mr Miyagi with chop sticks?
I'm thinking Chase bought a Yamaha Tracer. I know he wanted a street fighter like bike with a nice back seat. Those bars and bags look identical, and that low rev sound is so Yamaha.
Probably the Yamaha Niken test bike he got recently.
This is a great review. The fact it could easily pop off if you accidently hit the release button is a big no for me with the Cardo which is a shame because everything else about them seems so solid. I loved the fact that with my Sena 20S if I were to even dismount it, It has that vertical track piece that it has to travel up before coming lose. I think what your other half suggested though is a great idea. It'd be nice if Cardo changed their mount system or at the least, as your missus said, have a safety line so if it disconnects It's not going to go under the wheel of the vehicle behind you. Great vid!
Comment on older video. We “arborist/tree climbers” have used Sena for a couple years and recently all switched to Cardo. In tree com to crane operator, other climber, ground guy/ropeman has literally changed the game. Yelling over chainsaws, chipper, blowers... clear communication is huge! The cardo units are fantastic. Also there was a guy who had a hack for using discord chat for coms. It works awesome!👍🏽 been watching you strip bolts for a long while! Keep it up man!💪🏽🤙🏽
Finally a review on this thing. I have Been using it for about 6 months now. And i absolutely love it. Personally I never ride on the highway, so the ejection of the device doesn’t worry me that much. But the clip mount does annoy me. It keeps scrolling the volume wheel every time I turn my head. So I will definitely be mounting it with the 3m pad once I get a new helmet. Keep it up!
I can only agree!
I bought two Cardo 4+ a few weeks ago and must say, that the sound, the functions etc. are just great. The only thing, I think Sena partially does better is the mount to the helmet (like you mentioned). All in all cardo will be the way to go for me, I think! ^^
P.S.: I actually thought, that that mechanism to remove was foolproof, cause instead of pressing the releasepin like the button, you need to pull it - so it's the exact opposite.
I have a Cardo PackTalk Slim and I love that thing. Its sleek, the install was same as any other, the JBL speakers are FANTASTIC, love how it raises the volume at higher speeds automatically and lowers when you stop.
I havent tried to connect to a Sena but PackTalk to PackTalk is a breeze. It always recognizes my voice commands and has different mic setups.
I would suggest it to anyone. P.s. I can hear my buddy for about a half a mile down the road even with trucks in the way. And the buttons on the slim are easy to feel with my gloves on
i have the same helmet as Chase and my cardo NEVER recognizes voice commands. @chaseontwowheels did you try the voice command?
can u share music with yr pillion and chat at the same time while both listen to the song?
i have the same question, i managed to make that works only on one of the devices but the other one stops the music...
Make a spotify session, play on your own devices
It is possible with the Cardo system but only in intercom mode not phone call mode. The function was added but you loose in sound quality.
Heather nailed all of the pros of the Cardo unit there.. The auto gain control is a great feature, I use my garmin for phone/music so I never really need to touch the unit when moving. I used medium setting and it just works, no dramas
Been riding with a packtalk for over 90k kms, never accidentally "ejected" it.
Cardo all the way! Thanks for the review
Hey Chase,
How do you make both you and the passenger/co-vlogger sound so clear? Do you record all the talking through the external microphones or do you record it through the CARDO?
This review was one of the best I've seen. I love that you have real experience with both units that you compared. I just purchased the Cardo and was glad to hear your review and experience it in the ride along! Look forward to great adventures on my bike and communicating and listening to music via my Cardo!
I'm using interphone F3MC and my wife is using Cardo Freecom 2. We managed to sync the up. Problem is I don't know how to open communication when ever I want to chat. So I have to signal to her to open comms. I can confirm that the music volume and quality is a lot better (than the interphone). Looking forward to upgrading to Freecom 4
Chase, remember your house has wifi and other electromagnetic interference. Those devices are basically two way radio devices that use what is called a duplex system. That means you can transmit and receive at the same time. Which means it uses multi frequencies. Our cell phones use this same technology but on a higher level. At the end of the day it comes down to user preference. I am pretty sure the Freecom 4 plus is cheaper than the Seneca’s. The auto volume has been around for years in car radios. I am happy to hear they finally are using it for the Bluetooth communications devices.
I see you use it with bell sta helmet like i do!but i thing that the noise cancellation is terrible.what is your opinion?i used to have sena srl 2 on shoei neotec 2 and no one realize that i am on my bike,even though when i ride with 140 km/h.but now,every one realize that i m on my bike
I just got the Cardo Freecom 4+, I've not got to use it yet, but am looking forward to it after seeing video. Thanks for the review.
have a Cardo unit that is built in to my Bell helmet with a Bell adapter and it does everything I need a communicator to do. Connecting to other bluetooth units is easy, once you know the secret handshake. I also connect to my older Chinesium units with no problems. Audio quality on the provided headphone speakers is considerably better than any others I have used.
Just transitioned from sena units to the packtalk bold. Packtalk is miles better. Faster pairing, JBL audio, voice commands. Awesome
20S seems like it was a much easier unit to use then the 30K, but me and my friends just might have rose colored glasses on that one about the "Good Old Days." That being said, I _REALLY_ would love to see a review of the Packtack unit over the 30K. *Cough* @chaseontwowheels
Lost my Freecom three weeks ago when I adjusted my helmet on the motorway, first time that has happened in 4 years so I went straight out and bought another the next day. My tip is to cut a square of clear repair tape and place that over the joint to prevent premature ejaculation of the unit.
I've got 98mph and didnt have mine fly off
Do you recommend it to talk with a pillion? I am considering Freecom 4 Duo.
@@oesda You could get away with the freecom 1 plus as that has short range bluetooth for a pillion, you would save some serious cash. I have the 1 plus and its great for everything I need, but I have never used it for pillion. If you like it but need to upgrade the resale value seems to be good.
any significant difference in sound quality from standard and JBL speakers?
@@BalbonVlogs hi, sorry I was using a different set of speakers before I fitted the new set. Got to say I can't complain about the quality of the new set.
Might not matter so much over there in ‘Sunny World’ but here in Scotland, Cardo being waterproof and the Sena only being water resistant is a pretty major detail you forgot to mention.
A couple of questions about two years after you posted....1. Is it possible to speak on the phone and use nav system at the same time? 2. Seems to work well when communicating 12 inches apart but the elephant in the helmet is what ffin distance does it cut out?
heather is so honest, Chase probably pumped by Sena so has to talk it up
Bit late on this, but I might as well explain the pairing with sena. Sena has software which excludes other brands from pairing. Sena will only connect with sena. Cardo can connect with all other brands. That's why I personally recommend cardo to customers.
I love how you both are taking times talking its great :)
you REALLY sold the product there. So much for being a Senna guy who just happened to get a set of "try me" product.
I am so close to buy the Cardo, But,... too many people are taking about stuff like the voice commands doesn't work at all... I want to know If you can listen to music while you are talking to your girl? Or you have to stop music an do what to talk with her?
Another thing, can you listen to Spotify while Google maps or waze are giving you voice directions?
The other option to buy is cheaper, the Freedconn, so the quality of music is cheaper too 😑
So do this intercoms worth it ?
Do I buy them?
Hmmm. interested to see if you clicked the unit in all the way..my Freecom does not come off that easily. the button doesnt eject it, you have to hold it with one hand and remove it with the other...try pushing the button in when inserting it as opposed to snapping it on, it should stay on well. Nice review though, SENA is the name we historically associate with units, like Kleenex to tissues...but to be honest, Cardo, is 100% where its at.
GOOD LORD. I USED TO HAVE THAT SHIRT OVER A DECADE AGO IN SOPHOMORE YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL. it was dope!
Slim pack talk review please. Need to add a portion of the first ride reviews with the wife. I love it when you have her with you. As for the flies the hands down, Best way to kill them, and it is really fun. Bug-A-Salt 2.0 FLY GUN
I just got my Cardo Freecom 4+, really enjoying the audio quality. I highly recommend using an EQ though, it makes quite a bit of difference. I also suggest using ear plugs as you won’t be able to hear anything on the highway without them. I have no experience with Senna, I chose Cardo after hearing all of my noob friends going on and on about Senna. Did a little research afterwards and it seems I made the right choice. I prefer music quality over popularity.
I wear ear plugs when I ride and no wind screen. Are thee JBL speakers loud enough with the ear plugs? Thanks Mark
Does anyone know the answer to this question? :o
Depending on the ear plugs you use, but I ride with no noise plugs and I don't have an issue. Having a quieter helmet always helps.
@@MTL_Rider Thank you for the reply. Mark
I have the cardo PakTalk Sim. Definitely love that thing. It automatically changes the volume on the ambient noise. When making a phone call, the ambient noise is canceled while you're not taking. Music sounds great. The only complaint is that when I am going high way speeds, my helmet is not the best at sound reduction so the wind makes it so I can't hear the music as we as if I had a really nice helmet. Cardo team, GO! =]
How is the noise cancellation with the freecom4+? Also what’s the big difference between the Cardo Pack talk bold vs the Cardo freecom4+?
Thanks for the video. Can I ask if it works with voice command, Like "Hey Google" "Siri" and do you still use this intercom or now use something else ? Many Thanks
I have the Freecom 4 Plus and i just like and i am happy with the quality. Tested Senas before and always had wind noises on my helmet because of their size
So right now I only listen to music. I use a anker bluetooth receiver that worked well till I upgraded to a Ducati, now I can barely hear the music on the freeway. Is this still the best music player according to you? I really only listen to music but might be up to a communication device, but music is the first priority. I know this video is old, but is there anything newer that is better, or is this still your top pick?
The voice command that lets you use Seri to call, text etc. is the game changer.
Have never touched the unit when riding
thanks for the review....just bought a 2022 MT-07, now have to wait a few months for it....need a helmet ????
& Bluetooth....
i'll go w/ the Freecom 4+
I have a Cardo Freecom 1+ on the way because I currently have a Sena 20s Evo and every time I turn my head the jog dial rubs my jacket and turns the volume up or down. Since I have the max volume set at a certain volume if the jog dial gets rubbed to the max volume it beeps at me and is incredibly annoying.
I have the exact same issue, it's so annoying.
I just picked one of these up the other day super loud on music you even have to turn it down sounds great even at 100mph love it phone calls super loud a 10 out of 10
Great review!! Tried to see if anyone else had asked so sorry if this is a prev question...
Do you both have to listen to the same music?
Can you take separate phone calls.
13:37 Oddly enough that's exactly what I say to my wife when she asks how long I'm going to ride...lol. Thanks for the review, it was really informative so I think I'm going to get a Cardo...
Has nothing to do with the subject matter, but that T-Shirt is sick!!
I’m wondering something , I’m new into the motorcycles and I just heard a guy saying to use ear plugs, and now that I saw this I’m wondering if you have the Bluetooth do you still need the ear plugs ?
Look at chase using a caliper like he knows what he is doing xD Bryan teaching is working.
Connecting Senna and Cardo via Bluetooth is horrible, our group switch all to cardo packtalk to get mesh and its been the best idea we had in years! having mesh is amazing for group rides.
I absolutely love that Bell helmet! Is a review coming soon? :)
Revzilla has the Star mips Torsion graphics on closeout now for $250/$280 off regular price of $530 if you are still looking for a new Bell.
So, I have a couple of questions: Do you bluetooth pair both Cardo units to one phone or separate phones? Can I use Voice Recognition to turn on the intercom? When playing the radio, how do I switch to Intercom mode? Thanks for any help.
I am using the BT-S2 which I purchased for $25. It does everything unit does for less and it sounds great!
The freecom 4 is a great unit. What let it down for me was the volume wheel on the bottom. Sometimes when i turned my head, the volume would increase/decrease due to the wheel position. Had to go to the packtalk bold to solve the problem, as i wanted the voice commands. A great unit apart from this one issue for me.
I have a standard FREECOM 4 and it works and does everything I need it to, my buddy has one and his mate who rides with us sometimes has one as well, they are great but with an update in the last year, you cannot pair with more than one rider and have everyone paired to their phones because someone needs to be the bridge between the systems, so they cannot use something like spotify when riding, which is the only downfall I have seen now.
Otherwise, great system and cannot wait to upgrade to the freecom 4+
Do you use motorcycle earplugs while using the Cardo?
What bike were you guys riding??
Hey chase, idk if I missed it in the video , but I’m curious, am I able to record incoming calls onto GoPro too with the cardio freecom 4 plus??
Ok so what gopro are you using and how did you get the audio to communicate with it? Also where you get the 3m mount?
Great review! It actually made me an informed buyer.
Definitely has my subscription.
this is why I love the Sena 10u: it has all the functionality I need without the bulk or price of the 20 and 30 series. It's designed to be a hidden / integrated unit so you don't get any wind buffeting either. I know, some people will think "wtf is he talking about - it's nothing that big" but trust me, when I got my Shark Spartan helmet it was soooooooooper quiet it until I added a headset.
The Sena 10u is designed to fit perfectly with the Shoei NeoTec, Shoei J-Cruise, Schuberth C3 Pro, Shoei GT-Air, HJC IS-17 (10UPAD) and the Arai Full Face helmets. I have one each of the last 3 models for my Shark Spartan, AFX FX-41 DS and Speed & Strength SS4000 - while they're not designed for these helmets, the 10u is so easily customised.
Plus the 10U units come with a handle-bar remote (except the 10UPAD). I haven't tried the Cardo units but the Sena unit does everything I need it to and I can't see why I would want to change.
And if you're worried about wrecking your cheekpads when you customise for the 10UPAD unit … just buy another set of cheekpads for your helmet for 20 bucks.
The other thing to note is that when I take phone calls on these units, people think the sound is clearer than when I'm in a quiet office holding the phone to my mouth. They just don't / won't / can't believe me when I say they're talking to me "in" my helmet. And even when I'm riding with my son on the Vespa and sidecar - talking back and forth is nowhere near as noisy as the Cardo are in your video.
And no … I do not have any connection whatsoever with Sena :)
Seriously, Sena 10U - just do it :)
Super review. I will soon be purchasing my first bluetooth device and found your video to be very informative and and impartial. thanks
I have the Sena 20 Evo and it has ambient mode which means it will turn up the volume the faster you go or turn it down the slower you go. It will also tune out outside noise like other vehicles. I talk to my wife all the time and she can only hear me when I talk expect when I hit the throttle on my Daytona 675 because its stupid loud. If you download the Sena app you can control your module alot more and on the fly.
I prefer the 20 Evo over the 20S
Hey chase, I have a freecom 4+, got before your review. Would have been nice if you mentioned the voice commands, which makes it a little less touch needed. I also have the problem with the roll dial, when I turn my head to look, it will raise or lower the volume. I have not had a problem with the disconnect button, knock on wood, as I just feel for the raised button on the, face/side, of my cardio. Any way loved the review.
Does the voice control work on your divice? Mine does not respond to the commands.
I have the same problem with the roller. Any solution?
I am new to riding on the street and am interested in getting a Bluetooth system. How easy is it to hear other road noises while listening to music?
You have to lift the ejectbutton, not push it, so i have not had any problem at all with accidental eject of the unit.
So i don´t know how you did to accidently eject it?
re: Flies. I've found that if you have like a Windex bottle (or maybe just water, I dunno, Windex is what I had) if you can spray the fly in the air with it, it will land and be slower to take off if you swing at it, then you can swat it a lot easier.
For those of us who have a Sena and have never liked the audio from their provided speakers, have you tried the JBL speakers in your helmet with the Sena Bluetooth device? I belive the plug is compatable. Did that show any noticable improvement?
For the fly, salt gun. I have a question, though: how does the Freecom's JBL speakers compare to the aftermarket upgrade speakers for the 20S? I have to get a new helmet, and I'm thinking about Shoei's modular helmet that has a built in cavity to flush mount an SRL 2, which is based on the 20S, but if the Freecom has better sound quality for music than even upgraded speakers for the Sena, I might be okay with having that little unit hanging off the side of my head
Well my card duo is on the way and the review made me happy. I chose cardo as my first system because I'm not a group rider and dont think I'd ever be. I mainly want it to listen to music and RUclips like I do in my car, call the wife and be able to talk intercom with back rider. All this sounds like I made the right choice
The other major player? Sorry but Cardo has been on top from the beginning. they started the whole motorcycle communicator market with the Scala rider.
Does your voice commands work? I’m having trouble and I wanted to see if you have any tips?!
Hello! Can you listen to music and speaking in the same time? Thx!
Awesome review. Was hesitating with the SENA SF4 or the 10r and... it´s decided. Thanks a lot
I have it on the same helmet, does the roller rub against your shoulder when you turn your head? And adjust the volume all the time ?
have a freecom 4+ dual on order now following accident with eyes on nav screens and no audio at 70 en route to Edinburgh Scotland on Sept 20th ... wrote 2017 gs te exclusive off & lucky to have walked away ... hope this now saves a repeat ! too many visual screen distractions...
I really like my freecom2+. Bought a duo for my helmets and it is so much better than the cheap one I had before.
cerealk53, do you have any trouble sharing music with freecom 2+? Thanks.
@@luismedeiros3180 I have only used it solo so I can't comment on intercom or sharing functions
Just ordered this device after you set it up can't you just use voice commands instead of actually touching the unit while you're riding to keep from accidentally ejecting it
"It doesn't look like it came from 1984" 😅
Thanks for the honest review! Still contemplating the slim over this. That "eject" button has me worried about the Freecom model.
I've had cardo for the past 4 years and no issues. I believe the reason it popped of as it was not well seated in the cradle as this happened to me. TO remove the device you have to pull on the tab and not push as when your pushing on the buttons. So as long as you make sure it's properly seated your fine.
I have the cardo packtalk and love it so far. If you can find the packtalk instead of the packtalk bold it's about the same price as the freedom 4 but it won't have the JBL speakers.
Can you share with us how do you record the voice sound of this motorbike riding? You used a third BT unit paired with your and your wife's? Or another way?
Great! I was in between this or the Cardo Slim... but at the end ended up buying the set of Cardo 4+ for $230 (115 each)💪👍🏼🏍 and I also have a Bell RaceStar
Can you listen to music while on the intercom?
Love cardo comms... I think you should do a review with the cardo app. You could do music sharing with Heather. I think the intercom function is simpler than button presses, if you get Luke and Brian in on it and do a 4 way ride.
@chaseontwowheels
The speakers inside the helmet if i would get a new helmet can they be removed or would i need a new pair
and also the mic is it a boom mic or hows it set?
You say that you have only used Sena before trying this but what about icon rau review you just posted? How does it compare to that?
Went to go buy one off the link in the description… says it’s out of stock and will not be coming back. But I’m determined to find one and get it
I have a cardo packtalk slim and hardly ever adjust my volume by hand the voice commands is awesome once you get use to the commands
One thing I would like to have seen you mention was whether all devices you talked about had the most up to date firmware as that can fix some of the non hardware related gripes. I would also really like to see a video with a head to head 30K vs packtalk Bold shootout.
The 30K is a poor attempt at Cardo's legacy packtalk that launched in 2015. Now the new Cardo Packtalk Bold has natural voice, JBL and DMC (mesh) that works flawlessly.
I own a Sena 20S and can't hear it most of the time due to wind noise and anemic speakers. I try to use it for music, navigation and audio books. I ride a Honda ST1300, a Kawasaki Concours 14, a Kawasaki Z1000 and a Buell XB9 Lightning. I ride with earplugs and that really makes it useless. The naked bikes are a little better. I thought the Bold was the one to get, but since I mostly talk to myself, it is probably overkill.
what's the black helmet you have on scene when demo-ing the pairing between sena and cardo?
Your obviously hooked to a GoPro ,excellent audio, how did that work?
I went with the pactalk bold w/JBL. I chose that unit because I wanted quality sound for my music when I commute. Haven't received it yet so I don't know if it is worth the extra $ or not but I would've chosen a cheaper unit but they got me with the JBL! Umm...Harbor Freight electronic fly swatter and the Bug-A-Salt fly shot gun work for me.