SUCCESSION REACTION & REVIEW - 4x9 "Church and State"
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- First time watching and reacting to Season 4 of the HBO hit.
FULL LENGTH DONE ON PATREON: / 82710945
/ ascension_comicseries
Business Inquiries: johnny@jimmymacram.com
Follow me:
/ jimmymacram
/ jimmymacram
/ jimmymacram
Roman's thing is he feels comfort in the abuse. So when he can't get it through someone else, he goes to find it with the strangers outside. Dude bottled everything up and completely lost his entire position career wise because he mourned his father. Absolutely tragic.
Perfectly summarized. The last scene was just too, too sad. :(
@@danielastefan7274 I had a hard time feeling sad for him, after all of his disgusting behavior it was refreshing to see him face some consequences. I agree it’s tragic that he’s punished the only time he shows humanity though, like any hint of redemption is snuffed out by negative reinforcement
Roman showed a moment of humanity in a water tank full of sharks, and they smell blood now.
The line „You’re gonna be my dog, but the scraps are gonna be worth millions“ goes so hard
That was such a Logan line
Love Hugo’s response “Woof Woof”
@@Just2gofoods I like ppl like Hugo that just keep it real about their motives. We know why he’s here! 🤣
@@reef4678 Not really. It was over the line and simply disgusting. Logan was Logan, but he would manage it less cringy
No it doesn't😭
loved ewan’s speech, it’s the most honest thing anyone’s ever gonna say about logan, providing context to his personality without excusing his behavior. i think it’s absolutely the right time and right place, because where else would anyone be able to say it, especially in a show where everyone keeps saying “no he’s a good person actually,” even the children whose spirits he broke so thoroughly they’ve taken to stabbing each other on the back to try and fulfill a legacy he barely wanted them to have.
also it’s such a great testament to the acting and the writing when they could show how disgusting roman can be in one episode and how sad he could be in the other. what a wonderfully complicated character.
this episode, this season, and this show is definitely an all-timer!!
Thank you for that. Sorry to say, but all those teamkendall people make me sick after this episode.
Given all of the other times Ewan talked about Logan, that was nicest that he has ever been on screen towards his brother.
Man, Frank is such an underrated character. I love how he's a genuine father figure to them. When he's telling Kendall that Logan's gone he calls him "son'. When Roman is going up for his eulogy, he asks "you alright, son?", of course Roman's an ass about it. And when Carl is laughing at Roman breaking down, Frank is clearly upset and annoyed that Carl would laugh at that
Frank is more of a father figure to Kendall. Frank is more of a close proximity associate to Roman. 😂
Personally, I believe Frank is Kendall's real father but that's clearly just going to live as a theory. 😅
@@gr8esthandleever This is such a bad theory. for the same reasons that "Tywin isn't Tyrion's father" is a terrible theory (though at least that one has some sort of canon basis, if shaky AF).
It was also cool how Roman knew right off the bat without Frank saying anything that there is no way Frank is working under him lol!
The "you fucked it" from Kendall to Roman seems brutal in context within the episode, but that is exactly the kind of stuff Roman says to other people in their lowest moments. I feel sorry for him in the way anyone feels sorry for someone that is mourning, but what goes around comes around.
Like when he was the only one not bullying Kerry? Roman is over the top and had some really horrible moments, but do you really imagine him talking like this to Kendall right after his breakdown on S3 finale?
Nope, Kendall was a total jerk this episode. Maybe this is his way of mourning, but it is a very sh*tty way, I must say.
I don't actually agree, he's a piece of shit but Roman reacts to genuine displays of emotion, and is fairly quiet or concerned when he sees people just struggling. Kendall has always been the original source of the ribbing in the family imo, he wants to assert himself as top dog. Shiv/Roman is more gross out, Shiv/Kendall is Kendall expecting validation from her.
@@SiatkazBiedronki Roman is a jerk every day, you can't just cherry pick. And he swiped Kerry's pills in that scene. You Roman apologists are something else!
@@SiatkazBiedronki Roman literally said "you fucked it" to Kendall DURING his breakdown at the end of s3.
@@sparkleclover yeah, and then he awkwardly comforted him and made him laugh. i don't think kendall had the intent of hurting roman in this episode but it still felt targeted and cruel. logan style!
Kendall asking for custody is JUST like Logan when he took the kids from Caroline when he knew full well he couldn’t raise them. But it’s a little worse because caroline was also unfit and non present, Rava seems to be a great mom
Aha, yep, aha, only that Rava is a great mum and Kendall did some effort for them to be a family some time ago. So something in him knows what he’s losing. He’s in a completely different situation than Logan and IMO he’s not adapting
I don’t think Kendall will actually fight for custody in the end. Just accept they’re better off with Rava and he can send money and see them on holidays.
Rava does not seem like a great Mom at all. She micromanages the FUCK out of them and treats them like perfect angels. She's better than Kendall, but that's only because he's not there.
@@williammccormick984 WTF? 🤣🤣🤣🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@SiatkazBiedronki Fuck Rava.
Psychologists could have a field day regarding the Rose reveal. Yes, Logan's earliest memories may have been of war, death, and terror. But believing that he was responsible for his sister's death? Even accidentally? That is the worst thing that one could do. And he didn't do anything. He just was. He was...a killer. Beyond forgiveness or redemption. He might as well wrestle the cosmos so that he is the one directing the chaos that destroys the lives others instead of being just another victim. He may have loved Rose, so he cannot love anyone else, at least not with gentle closeness.
"Well if it wasn't such a total fucking disaster, it would be a dream come true." I love pretty much anything Tom says at this point.
I do kind of like that Roman went looking for a fight or beatdown at the end and, other than a few elbows, he was largely ignored. And one person even tried to help him up.
your face at 10:55! that was a really intense reaction - like you'd burst into tears right there and then.
Which is exactly what happened to me...from one second to the next I was ugly crying.
Romans shell finally cracked, Kendall finally gave into the dark side, shiv finally sees a path to power not on her brothers coattails. Everybody is embracing their finals forms for the last push. You love to see it
Sally Ann is Brian Cox's wife in real life. When this was filming, Brian was on set just hanging out and that's so funny to me. I feel you on trying to hold off on being team Kendall because I feel the exact same way lmao. As a Shiv enjoyer I can't even celebrate her because I know her downfall is coming soon and it's embarrassing. I said this before but I think Logan really had to die so Kendall reaches his actual potential. So I'm hoping he somehow wins in the end but I think ultimately they'll all be fucked over in some way. Kieran Culkin was a knockout this episode.
I bawled like a child with Roman. what an amazing show that characters you really love to hate can make you break inside for them in the same 45 minutes of tv
I can see Kendall being the successor, but he will lose everything in the process. It’ll be a tragic or bittersweet ending.
He doesn't exactly have anything to lose at this point besides CEO.
@@Spaced92 Exactly... I also think people often forget that all of the siblings financial futures are linked. If they "lose" the company, they each make billions of dollars.
They broke Roman...
In other news, Karl is an asshole... And I love him.
I've been waiting ALL DAY for this reaction. Grabbing my popcorn.
Roman 😭 breaking my goddamn heart 💔
Shiv constantly overestimates her value to others, so don't be surprised if the CEO Mattson is talking about ends up not being her. Once that happens, she'll have nowhere to turn, since Roman and Ken are done with her.
I feel bad for Rava. Imagine singlehandedly taking care of your kids only for your absintee, non-entity of an ex to "step up" by stripping your rights from you, all out of spite.
Yeah it's not going to be Shiv and never was
If it turns out that Mencken didn't win the election then Mattson wouldn't even have a need for an American CEO. The Roys would be left with nothing.
Honestly I don't feel sorry for Rava. She knew who she was having kids with. Kendall was not all of sudden a terrible person. #ShouldHaveSwallowed 🤣
almost 100% certain Matsson was smiling at Greg in the car while he was on the phone with Shiv.
@@gr8esthandleever That's a very unsophisticated take. lol
GIVE EVERYBODY AN EMMY!
Rest in Peace Ray Stevenson. Titus Pullo from Rome, Edward Teach/Blackbeard from Black Sails (one of my favorite tv characters ever). He died at just 58. 😢😢😢😢
Not Volstagg :(
Kill the Irishman is a very underrated mob movie he was in. He was very talented, RIP.
This episode was insane.
shiv’s comment about logan being “hard on women” is even harsher when you look back on how kendall treats rava & jess earlier in the episode:/
and how Roman sexualises her pregnancy,
and how Mattson thinks she's not capable,
and how Mencken calls her "Kinder Kirche Küche"
the whole episode is steeped in misogyny and the audience always fails to see it.
Good point regarding the season. Makes me wonder if they didn't plan for this to be the last one.
‘Oh Roman, never change’ he says 😂😂
Kendall with the coat and the sunglasses reminds me of Michael Corleone.
8:53-9:15 Tragic insight into Logan's past.
9:16-9:44 Ewan keeping it real.
10:50-11:12 Give Kieran his Emmy. Now.
Great eulogies by Kendall and Shiv.
Everyone trying to get a piece of Mencken is painfully awkward to watch.
17:36-17:55 Good talk, Kendall.
I'm betting Matsson is going with Greg as the US CEO, him being more of a puppet than Shiv.
Michael Corleone is exactly who I thought of when Ken left the crypt. That was actually a bit terrifying
Michael Corleone? Please stop.
The penultimate episode, and it didn't disappoint.
I would agree that this does not feel enough like a penultimate episode for the series. However, the finale is supposed to have a VERY extended runtime so that put my mind at ease.
The finale is 90 minutes, but that's only 17 minutes longer than this episode was. Guess we'll see.
Excellent review of an excellent episode. Can’t wait for the finale (90 minutes) next week!
I’ve been noticing since around episode 6 that the transition to them has been getting quicker and quicker and this time they just went right to it. I wonder what the writers are telling us with changes like this
It's going to be Tom. He has grown mean and independent from the Roy brothers and he was heartless with Shiv even though she is carrying his child. He was at the top once with Logan then lost his power at Logans death. Revenge will be sweet as he is resurrected from his hick commoner status to the heights of Waystar royalty.
Kendall is supposed to make you conflicted. Power corrupts all men and Kendall has been the most righteous sibling by far throughout the whole series. His relationship with Rava and his kids is complicated due to his own upbringing, but Kendall has consistently tried to be 'good' in any way that he knows... up until this season in spurts. The scenes with Rava and Jess are the straws that broke his back. Kendall looks back at the mausoleum after talking to Hugo in a way that suggests either him exorcising his demon in Logan, or channeling him completely. Final prediction is that Kendall ends up with Waystar and GoJo by winning over the board
I'm putting this everywhere but I think Kendall is the one who should be the successor but they will lose the company and the CEO isn't gonna be Shiv but Greg as a puppet for Mattison
That's it.
I can see that. After all who would agree to a woman as a CEO if you listen to Shiv speech about women and her father.
I think Tom would make more sense than Greg, mainly because it would actually affect the other characters. If it were Greg it would just be funny.
I'm so back on the Kendall bandwagon. If he goes down I go down with him idc
😂😂😂
In the conversation with Matsson, Shiv and Mencken all that was said was an American CEO. Same with the phone call Matsson just said Mencken agreed to an American CEO, never said it was going to be Shiv. I think Shiv is going to get screwed again.
She deserve to be screwed , who turns his back on his family and her husband and Matsson was playing with her, he took advantage of her weakness , I hate herrrrr
“A United States CEO”…Mmhh interesting you caught that….and now that I think of it, Matsson has never said “I’ll make Shiv CEO” in his many conversations, it’s always a “US CEO” lol man
No one is paying attention but either way Madsen is getting what he wants and he is certainly not gonna make shiv ceo and he told her why and she just ignored it. Lol
God, Roman. Kendal was awesome!
What an episode! Woof!!! Still team Romulus! I am not ready for the finale … 🥹🥺🤦🏻♀️… Great reaction!!!
*my dad had many wives & women… they all had to deal when he had a stroke! They’re also his age to his youngest daughter’s (80-35)
It’s a commentary on the world that they inhabit that a Roman breaking down and crying about his father - immediately puts him out of the running . The fact that pending president puts him down immediately speaks volumes . I do like that Kendall defends his brother /
The acting is unreal I've never seen a show that pills every damn cord perfect every episode.I hope Tom has a good ending this week.
Omg. Another amazing episode. I dunno. I think Shiv is about to be shivved. I think Ken got Logan’s old driver on board because he wants to keep him close given what he knows about Ken. I believe Kendal will end up King, but I can’t help but wonder if he is still feeling conflicted about aligning with the racist. Heavy is the head that wears the crown huh. Also like my husband pointed out, is there still a possibility Mencken won’t be president? A lot to sort out in the 90 mins next week! I hope they don’t “Sopranos” us and leave us hanging.
After last episode though, giving all the props in the world for a fantastic performance from Kieran culkin, my feelings on Roman’s no-good, very bad day are just that meme of the old lady in the wheelchair: “I’m supposed to feel sorry for that bitch? WELL I DONT.”
I agree with you I’m a bit worried about the final episode, I hope it is satisfying in regards to wrapping everything up
Wanted to point out at no point did Mattson say that Shiv is to be the US-related CEO, he said Mencken said yes to his deal but he didnt name Shiv as his CEO, kept mentioning the title as if its an open role.
And he expressed reservations about her being the American CEO - 1) she told him what to do about burying the numbers for India - it worked in his favor
2) she told him how they could win and they did
She suggested herself
His words
1) I heard she pregnant
2) I heard she doesn’t have any experience
He’s not going to choose Shiv
Who was Menken looking at in the car in that last scene?!
I think you're right that they're not going to wrap everything up next episode. I think they've going to show that life goes on as it always has in this show - the kids going through cycles of trying and failing with moments of success in between but never enough to heal them of their brokenness. It's like you said with Kendall, it sure does seem like he's nailing this right now, but we KNOW, we've watched it over and over, he's going to go into his manic phase and crash back down again. Right? I think that's what the rest of the future holds for them, the show has already shown it to us.
Mencken probably wants Tom who's being blamed for calling the election for him. But if Matsson betrays Shiv, he could lose her vote and push her back to team Kendall. Once again, the only Roy kid with nothing to stress about is Connor.
Woof Woof line was great. I'm sad to say that sometimes I do agree with Kendals line: Life isn't nice. People that say that they love you will screw you. Perfect line for the context of the backstabbing and conniving of all of the players including Kendal himself.
5:46 the height difference is hilarious
Also, I can’t stop thinking of “is it mine?” ☠️ ☠️
The finale can have anything but I truly believe Roman and Shiv already lost. They may not be left with nothing and still have a job but never the successor. I do think Matsson will lose but whether Tom or Greg will be his replacement or CEO. I have a feeling it is Tom. Wouldn't surprise me if Mencken gets kicked out as president with the official counts.
Whaaat a great episode once again. 👏 Argh, so many mixed feelings, I have to digest it. I have always been #TeamKen since the begining of the show, but oh boy, I really do not like how he is becoming more and more like Logan - his speech was so damn cold and cynical, I preferred Shiv's - much more human, I shed a tear. Roman...is being Roman, I think he is maybe the most traumatized child amongst his siblings. And oh boy, the conversation between Shiv and her mother at the end of the episode. That was just great!
Kendall is such a great public speaker and charismatic around strangers but so terrible to those who get close to him. You're better off being his distant acquaintance.
Jimmy, Greg’s gonna win
Such a great show. Agree with your thoughts. There could have totally been one more season. I want to know the real reason why they are ending so early if anyone knows lol. If I had one minor nitpick I feel like this ending of the show does feel somewhat rushed. I guess it’s just because I want more 😂 but still enjoying it nonetheless. My prediction is the sibs lose control of the company, Mattson cuts out Shiv and somehow they lose it all. We get a time jump and they are all doing their own thing and end up somewhat successful
hope you upload the finale reaction as soon as possible, excuse my impatience
I didn't pick it up most of the other times but when talking to Mankin Matson had very Greg vibes. In how he was talking and body language. Greg is far fetched but Matson might see a bit of himself there and someone "trustworthy" as a puppet cos he gets quid pro quo deal making and all his values are for sale.
Every episode of Succession this season feels like every “Episode 9” of Game of Thrones.
Dark Ken Rises
Kendall vs Shiv... Ready... FIGHT!
Someone is in the car with Matteson. He didn't say your the American CEO. I'm thinking Greg or Tom. BUT GREG IS KING GREG ON TOP!!
Roman's collapse was uncomfortable to watch. He's finished as a force right when he was on the cusp and had the presumptive president eating out of his hand.
i don't think Rava's overeacting, how many times has a peaceful protests become a victim of attacks by 'Ravenhead' fans?
Shiv wasn't even supposed to speak after Kendall. My guess is that she wanted to make just as good impression as Kendall in front of the President for the pitch later on
I have a sinking feeling that Mattson will make Greg the US CEO.
Yeah because they never showed who was in the car with him 😳
And he will fire Tom.
Also, there is a promo picture for this season, if you look at where each character is looking. Ken and Shiv are looking at Logan, Tom is looking at Shiv, Connor is looking out into the world (lol), Roman is looking at the camera… and Greg is looking at his own reflection in the window. Very telling I think!
I don't think Mattson will put Shiv in the CEO role. He just said he could be good with an American CEO and I think he's stringing her along. It could be Tom or one of Mencken's guys. One theory I've seen going around is that Mattson will put Greg in that role so he can control him. It might be far-fetched but I wouldn't put anything past this show. And we still don't know everything that happened the night that Greg hung out with Mattson.
I don't think Mattson and Mencken would make a deal, but what could happen is that we get the actual election results and it turns out the other guy won so there wouldn't be a need for Mattson to have an American CEO therefore none of the Roys get anything.
I don’t see him choosing Tom because Tom is connected to Shiv and he doesn’t like Tom not in the least - as for Greg there are so many signs that it will be him
Lol I don't get the animosity toward Ewan. I thought his speech was amazing. It showed who Logan was as a person, the good and bad, and what Logan was to the world. It was fair and gave a whole picture of him, by someone who knew him best and who loved him. It was poignant and honest.
Not what I want to hear at my family member's funeral, not interested in fair even a little. Everybody in that room knows who and what Logan is.
To be fair, Jess didn't have to put a meeting on Kendall's calendar. He was bound to see it sooner or later...
Not really. He would only look at his calendar day of to be honest. It’s her job to keep him briefed
Anyone else think Shiv’s speech was bad? It was bland and uninspired, didn’t even get an applause
It's a funeral, not an awards show. People clapping after Kendall was weird.
people don't usually clap at a funeral...doesn't matter how good the speech is. Maybe it's because you have never been to a funeral, in that case consider yourself lucky. 👍👍👍
but yeah...this isn't a concert. The reaction after her speech is normal. It's quiet.
@@SweetJeopardy this isn’t a funeral, like everything on this show it’s a business move it never stops, have you been watching?
@@Ninaofthe90s this isn’t a funeral, like everything on this show it’s a business move it never stops, have you been watching? Applause means he won the rooms approval, hence the constant hand shaking and back pats afterward.
@@SweetJeopardy it’s not your grandma’s funeral, it’s Logan Roy with the future president of the United States is in the audience, clapping is a VERY good thing, the games never stop.
Unpopular Opinion - I am with Kendall those kids should have been at their grandfather’s funeral Rava just can’t make an executive decision like that. I understand she’s scared but they have some security and safety - it’s that’ was their grandfather and they should be present.
Roman is Sméagol in a suit.
She is quitting because she heard the shows over
I should know by now not to try and predict what will happen in this show. That being said, I think Menken and Mattssen will forge a new alliance, teaming up to screw both Roman and Shiv respectively. Greg stressing to Menken that Tom was the one to call the election for him -- Menken will reward Tom by insisting that he be the American CEO, and Mattssen will go along with it because he wants Menken to approve the deal. Also, the qualities Shiv pitched to Mattssen for the CEO job described Tom, except that Tom in addition has the experience that Shiv lacks.
And deep down, Mattssen is a misogynist, and will always pick a man over a woman for the top job (you can tell he felt Shiv's pregnancy was a detriment)
you know, I think Greg has a big chance since s1e1, the show literally begin with him on screen, working in his uncle business and the slowly climbing the success ladder...remember who else started working in his uncle business and go from poor to rich after? 😉
Exactly ! And they ride up the elevator together in the beginning of the show - the proverbial ladder of success .
“He’s feeling very Roman today” while he’s actually totally spiraling on the inside without having grappled with any of his emotions about Logan’s death at all lol
Through the whole show he’s always gotten weirdly sexual when he’s most uncomfortable or in a bad mental state
I don’t think Ebba is on the team. Madsen is playing all of them. He is a younger smarter version of Logan. Will he win though? Will see Sunday.
once again kendall blaming the women in his life for the consequences of his own actions😭😭😭
I'm gonna miss this show. The writing and the characters are great but I'm gonna miss those bangers. 😢
I gotta stick with team Kendall. I think Shiv overestimates her ability to outsmart people and Roman, the Grim Weeper 🤣, made himself look unfit to lead the company unfortunately.
Nah, Rava was still overreacting. They got so much money to keep those kids insulated and protected
Yeah, and if you’re worried about security… pretty sure the funeral of Logan Roy where everyone’s super rich, and the President-elect is also attending would be one of the most secure places on earth lol. She could’ve just gone to the funeral. Then left the city if she was super worried.
I think it was the idea of seeing the violence on TV and knowing it’s only a few blocks away or hearing the sirens and the rioting would be traumatic
Probably my least favorite episode of this season but there was still alot going on. Alot of scenes I wanted to look away for😂