I love these epi's! Thanks for including something that's not a PSA10 or bust. With the standards for a 10, it's just not financially responsible to send cards in based on hopes and dreams.
Can you please do a video on how seller stores work on eBay (like how they offer lower seller fees) pros and cons vs not having a monthly subscription seller store, and which type of seller stores you recommend based on various needs. Thanks so much.
@ Nothing wrong with set building and I have the complete set of 87 Topps. The problem is the card will never be worth what it would cost to grade 700+ cards. At the cheap grading fee, the set would cost $14,000 to grade. Think you’re going to get your money back? Maybe in 50-100 years.
Easy call for me. After being ripped off by PSA and being charged $60 for a card they deemed mini size that I pack pulled , I no longer grade. I decided to focus on cards and not slabs. This hobby started long before grading companies decided to offer poor customer service and POP report manipulation. Out of over 50,000 cards in my collection, I only own about 65 slabs. The guys I PC aren't easy to find raw cards of but I do what I can on a budget. Grading has in many ways ruined it for the average collector. Ask hobby president John Mangini about grading and he would agree.
Lower end prices of modern are all over the place between sgc vs psa and 9.5 vs 9 and eBay auction vs buy it now. Maybe not top players but for sure on second tier. I collect cubs players for my pc and generally avoid graded cards to avoid the premium and because I like looking at them in matching one touches. I’ll crack anything modern below a 9 if I’m keeping it long term. So I threw a low bid on a Pete Crow Radiating Rookie in a SGC 9.5, and won for $36. The following days several raw went for around $70. Sold mine a couple weeks later BIN for $100. I’ve only gotten back into collecting this year after many years out of the hobby and it’s been tough to get motivated to grade. I appreciate your video. I’m sure I’m leaving money on the table only selling raw cards.
I love how you showed the process that goes behind how you decide and I am happy to see that it’s similar to the process I go through when deciding whether or not to send. I am curious to know and specifically for that wyatt Langford example when you decide to sell right away versus when you decide to hold and what is your thought process as to how long to hold? Appreciate all the content you provide it’s amazing!
If that was true you could buy all the decent looking vintage you could find, crack it and sell it through GM. Voilà, you’re rich. Why aren’t you doing this already?
Another factor to consider is existing pop count. I did a quick one for the Langford using an eBay listing and the new ‘PSA Data’ feature and around 1350 in total have been graded. From that, you can get an idea of how common or rare a potential slab might be. You can also use pop reports to see two key aspects (to me anyway, as an ultra/modern person): % chance of a 10, and % chance of a 9 or better.
You usually factor in eBay seller fees when you go back to sell these in these types of analyses. Any logic for excluding those costs here ? (Usually that’s another big factor for me in whether to send a card to grade or not, will I still profit after eBay seller and merchant transaction fees)
There will be eBay seller fees regardless of whether I sell the card raw or graded, so the impact of seller fees on the decision whether to grade a card for me is fairly minimal
The only thing you should say is don't use grading companies. Again you emphasize the only reason to grade is for selling purposes is that what this hobby has come to.
I like to tell the story of a friend who had a very nasty ce 1959 Sandwich Koufax card that I told him he had to get graded. He listened to me and it came back a “4” grade. I couldn’t believe the grade so I cracked it and send it off for grading at a higher price point. The card came back with an “8” grade. Go figure….
Is potential future value ever a consideration? If the Langford card grows in value would it be fair to assume that 10 years from now a graded copy will be worth more than the raw copy, so would grading it now, holding it (assuming you believe in the players future) be a viable long term decision? Would not grading it now and waiting to see how he pans out run the risk that the raw copy will grade lower in 10 years? I get the immediate decision but have to wonder how these things may play out over time.
Grading has destroyed my enjoyment of the hobby…going to shows to try and make a few bucks while guys pore over a card like it’s a rare diamond or something is completely absurd. Especially cuz grading seems incredibly arbitrary and the more money you spend the higher grade you get.
Don't be silly don't be nieve Why else would you need to grade a card? Not if you collect as a hobbyist grading would have no meaning and lest you forget this is a hobby grading has turned it into a business!!!
Plenty of reasons. Protection of the card. Set registries. Making sure the card isn't counterfeit. A professional opinion on the condition of the card you are buying.
By a professional? Which professional what's his credentials how long has he been dealing with cards do u really believe that PSA grades millions of cards and they are all graded by a competent grader because if u do I have swamp to sell u in Florida!!! Ur a fool if u let some nobody decide the value of ur cards.
Lower end prices of modern are all over the place between sgc vs psa and 9.5 vs 9 and eBay auction vs buy it now. Maybe not top players but for sure on second tier. I collect cubs players for my pc and generally avoid graded cards to avoid the premium and because I like looking at them in matching one touches. I’ll crack anything modern below a 9 if I’m keeping it long term. So I threw a low bid on a Pete Crow Radiating Rookie in a SGC 9.5, and won for $36. The following days several raw went for around $70. Sold mine a couple weeks later BIN for $100. I’ve only gotten back into collecting this year after many years out of the hobby and it’s been tough to get motivated to grade. I appreciate your video. I’m sure I’m leaving money on the table only selling raw cards.
"Boom goes the dynamite" will never get old to me. A+ video
I love these epi's! Thanks for including something that's not a PSA10 or bust. With the standards for a 10, it's just not financially responsible to send cards in based on hopes and dreams.
Can you please do a video on how seller stores work on eBay (like how they offer lower seller fees) pros and cons vs not having a monthly subscription seller store, and which type of seller stores you recommend based on various needs. Thanks so much.
Great video! I love when I see 1987 Topps baseball cards graded and wonder what people were thinking!
Ever heard of set building?
@ Nothing wrong with set building and I have the complete set of 87 Topps. The problem is the card will never be worth what it would cost to grade 700+ cards. At the cheap grading fee, the set would cost $14,000 to grade. Think you’re going to get your money back? Maybe in 50-100 years.
Excellent segment....thorough yet not wordy. A good guideline for sure.
Easy call for me. After being ripped off by PSA and being charged $60 for a card they deemed mini size that I pack pulled , I no longer grade. I decided to focus on cards and not slabs. This hobby started long before grading companies decided to offer poor customer service and POP report manipulation. Out of over 50,000 cards in my collection, I only own about 65 slabs. The guys I PC aren't easy to find raw cards of but I do what I can on a budget. Grading has in many ways ruined it for the average collector. Ask hobby president John Mangini about grading and he would agree.
These are my favorite type of videos you do. Thanks!
Very helpful! I also use a scanner to check card edges before I send in cards to get graded!
That Jokic rookie is super cool. I’d love to have a real good one to put away, as he’s probably gonna win another MVP this year
Thanks for the super practical advice!
Thanks, always love vids about the process.
Great presentation with a balanced variety. Thanks for putting this together and sharing, Chris!
Thanks as always Chris. Have to upgrade my Payton one day
You should do a rundown of the decision to crack a card out of a slab.
What’s the website for checking those prices?
130 point
@ thanks
I used vintagecardprices.com for this video
Hi Chris. I really enjoy the thought process for grading on these three cards. Thanks for sharing my friend, talk soon pal.
Lower end prices of modern are all over the place between sgc vs psa and 9.5 vs 9 and eBay auction vs buy it now. Maybe not top players but for sure on second tier. I collect cubs players for my pc and generally avoid graded cards to avoid the premium and because I like looking at them in matching one touches. I’ll crack anything modern below a 9 if I’m keeping it long term.
So I threw a low bid on a Pete Crow Radiating Rookie in a SGC 9.5, and won for $36. The following days several raw went for around $70. Sold mine a couple weeks later BIN for $100.
I’ve only gotten back into collecting this year after many years out of the hobby and it’s been tough to get motivated to grade. I appreciate your video. I’m sure I’m leaving money on the table only selling raw cards.
I love how you showed the process that goes behind how you decide and I am happy to see that it’s similar to the process I go through when deciding whether or not to send. I am curious to know and specifically for that wyatt Langford example when you decide to sell right away versus when you decide to hold and what is your thought process as to how long to hold? Appreciate all the content you provide it’s amazing!
Nowadays decent looking raw vintage sells for more at Greg Morris than if you bother to grade it.
If that was true you could buy all the decent looking vintage you could find, crack it and sell it through GM. Voilà, you’re rich. Why aren’t you doing this already?
The name Greg Morris also adds value
To Grade or Not To Grade: That is the Question. -William Shakespeare.
Langford PSA 9 (don't grade), Payton 2 soft corner and off centered PSA 4 or SGC 4 maybe maybe grade because the Payton card is iconic., Jokic PSA 8 (Don't Grade)
Another factor to consider is existing pop count.
I did a quick one for the Langford using an eBay listing and the new ‘PSA Data’ feature and around 1350 in total have been graded. From that, you can get an idea of how common or rare a potential slab might be. You can also use pop reports to see two key aspects (to me anyway, as an ultra/modern person): % chance of a 10, and % chance of a 9 or better.
Good point
thank you thank you great video!!
What are you using that shows the pricing for all the different types of grades?
Vintagecardprices.com
@collectorinvestordealer thanks
You usually factor in eBay seller fees when you go back to sell these in these types of analyses. Any logic for excluding those costs here ? (Usually that’s another big factor for me in whether to send a card to grade or not, will I still profit after eBay seller and merchant transaction fees)
There will be eBay seller fees regardless of whether I sell the card raw or graded, so the impact of seller fees on the decision whether to grade a card for me is fairly minimal
What site are you using to get price of cards??
Vintagecardprices.com
Finally a Joker card featured!
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Thnak you! Very informative and a great process to follow. Veggies rule!
Really informative video. Where did you get the data for values of the graded cards? That was really useful information.
I got the prices from vintagecardprices.com
Langford centering is fine. I've graded worse and seen worse that have gemmed. The back surface issue is worrisome.
Boom goes the dynamite!…Chris don’t know ish about cards (stg I’ve never heard anyone say)
Surprised you got a 4 with the Payton. Would have figured it for a 3 or 3.5 with the back centering. That would have been the non VIP grade IMO.
Finally someone expoing Chris and his life long VIP corruption with SGC!
Grading is decreasing values on nicer modern stuff? lol. Perfect.
AGAIN, I just ate my veggie while watching this video(french fries again, but I do what I can)! 🥔🍟🤭
Confession...your vegetables plug has me buying more...lollll
The only thing you should say is don't use grading companies. Again you emphasize the only reason to grade is for selling purposes is that what this hobby has come to.
Definitely not the only reason to grade. Don’t be silly.
How about to make sure the card is not a fake, trimmed, or other such defects
@@jamesadams8207 same here. I don't get too hung up on grades, but do like to buy authenticated slabs
Does that Wyatt Langford example imply there is an arbitrage opportunity to buy PSA 9s, crack them, and resell them raw for a profit? Incredible
Not really. You pay to have it shipped, selling fees , you could damage it and there's the long shot chance the card would have re graded to 10
I like to tell the story of a friend who had a very nasty ce 1959 Sandwich Koufax card that I told him he had to get graded. He listened to me and it came back a “4” grade. I couldn’t believe the grade so I cracked it and send it off for grading at a higher price point. The card came back with an “8” grade. Go figure….
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Is potential future value ever a consideration?
If the Langford card grows in value would it be fair to assume that 10 years from now a graded copy will be worth more than the raw copy, so would grading it now, holding it (assuming you believe in the players future) be a viable long term decision? Would not grading it now and waiting to see how he pans out run the risk that the raw copy will grade lower in 10 years?
I get the immediate decision but have to wonder how these things may play out over time.
My goal was to sell the card right away, so for me future value was not something to consider. But for someone holding the card, absolutely.
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Also love the items on CIA this month, have bid on multiple
We have a winner!
Grading has destroyed my enjoyment of the hobby…going to shows to try and make a few bucks while guys pore over a card like it’s a rare diamond or something is completely absurd.
Especially cuz grading seems incredibly arbitrary and the more money you spend the higher grade you get.
Don't be silly don't be nieve
Why else would you need to grade a card? Not if you collect as a hobbyist grading would have no meaning and lest you forget this is a hobby grading has turned it into a business!!!
Plenty of reasons. Protection of the card. Set registries. Making sure the card isn't counterfeit. A professional opinion on the condition of the card you are buying.
@@jamesadams8207 What are the qualifications of a professional opinion
@@ACD1994 Pretty simple. They have the technology to detect flaws in a card that don't otherwise show up in a scan on your computer screens.
By a professional? Which professional what's his credentials how long has he been dealing with cards do u really believe that PSA grades millions of cards and they are all graded by a competent grader because if u do I have swamp to sell u in Florida!!! Ur a fool if u let some nobody decide the value of ur cards.
Don't grade it's a Scam n especially don't grade Vintage through SGC=INCONSISTENT
And I’m sure you have verifiable producible data that clearly demonstrates this?
Lower end prices of modern are all over the place between sgc vs psa and 9.5 vs 9 and eBay auction vs buy it now. Maybe not top players but for sure on second tier. I collect cubs players for my pc and generally avoid graded cards to avoid the premium and because I like looking at them in matching one touches. I’ll crack anything modern below a 9 if I’m keeping it long term.
So I threw a low bid on a Pete Crow Radiating Rookie in a SGC 9.5, and won for $36. The following days several raw went for around $70. Sold mine a couple weeks later BIN for $100.
I’ve only gotten back into collecting this year after many years out of the hobby and it’s been tough to get motivated to grade. I appreciate your video. I’m sure I’m leaving money on the table only selling raw cards.