Arnold Schwarzenegger vs Mike Mentzer - (1980 Mr.Olympia)
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- Опубликовано: 7 апр 2020
- This is a fan requested comparison between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mike Mentzer. Normally I would say Mike is not in Arnold's league, but we will be using the 1980 Olympia versions of each man.
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I remember that Olympia vividly. I owned a bodybuilding gym at the time. The controversy was not so much that Arnold beat Mentzer. It was that Arnold won, PERIOD! Most thought that there were 3 or 4 competitors that should have beaten him. The 2nd controversy was that Mentzer placed 5th! That was outrageous!
Tbh one of the worst Mike menzers I have seen... What happened to his size and proportions compared to his perfect scores... No matter what condition and size the others come in at Arnold's structure is just unbeatable like a Greek god even at 85%
@@henrycooper4213 On balance he had enough to win and they didn't... So in the end it comes down to what Arnold says, who you'd most want to look like walking on a beach...
Mentzer actually tied for 4th in points (280) with Boyer Coe. I met Mike in early 1979 (8 months before the Olympia) and he thought he'd beat Zane (placing 2nd). Then in 1980 out of the woodwork comes Arnold promoting the Conan movie. Bogus in 1980 and then bogus for his friend Franco in 1981.
@Azathoth Hastur abs and calves beat mentzer? You got to be kidding. The only thing arnold had over Mike was chest and rear double bicep pose. Mike crushed him in every thing else. Let's be real here. And being tall doesn't mean anything, lets not insult people's intelligence. Arnold is awesome, no doubt but to objectively say that he beat Mike blows me away. I've watched all the videos and most who were there will tell you, Mike won. Hand down. They didn't want him to win because he was an iconoclast and at the time that wasn't good for the promotion of the sport.
@@henrycooper4213 I radically disagree with you. Arnold is as overrated in bodybuilding as Bruce Lee is in martial arts.
Dude, your Arnold impersonation is spot on! Lol!
ha totally spot on LOL hillarious!
PERFECT 😂😂😂
WE NEED MOREEEEEEEEE!
Pretty damn good 👍
Mentzer muscles were flat and his waist was big . Arnold was much fuller in the upper body . Although his thighs were weak .in my opinion Arnold beat mentzer .did he deserve to win ? That could be another story
Arnold purposely skipped the side triceps pose knowing Mike would crush him. Yet most of the judges ignored that.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines xDDDD yeah idd exactly full blown sarcasm agreement
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines I've seen you on multiple videos regarding this subject, and you seem like a biased fan boy
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines "small guy"??? Wow, you've got a complex obviously🤣🤣 bet you're 5'6"
Lol. Mike 4th.
@@oldskoolbodybuildingroutin7178 Fcuk arnold. Cope
Bro you can’t expect people not to be upset when the contest was clearly rigged before it started. Mentzer and others took the whole year off to train for a contest that was no contest at all. Fans booed Arnold’s speech and left the opera house yelling “rigged”. Then the ifbb had the ordasity to rub our faces in it again by showing us they can do what they want and give it to Arnold’s mate the very next year. What a class act the ifbb are.
Mr Olympia was always rigged. All of these guys knew it well beforehand. Besides, even when it is rigged it doesn't mean Arnie wasn't the best bodybuilder on stage that day.
Please define "ordasity" -- I am unfamiliar with that word (and so is every English dictionary). Perhaps you meant "audacity"...nah...
@@mantell my gosh you're right, thank you so much for the correction you fucken wanker.
Ordasity is crazy lmao
Keep going bro. No one owns the inglish langveg. Keep repeating the word 'ordasity' till it becomes a lexicon. Remember....destrucity...made by the ultimate warrior.
Many words have taken life.
Prolly.!!!!
I disagree with your final point. It was the IFBB that was behaving unprofessionally. All of the judges were Arnold's friends. They let him in the contest with only two weeks notice, a violation of the rules that was not extended to anyone else. The other competitors were given no advance notice that they would be facing a returning Arnold. Also from the judges perspective they were probably conflicted with the fact that Arnold brought more attention to bodybuilding and made more money for the Weiders than anyone has or ever will. What would be the ramifications if the famous Arnold lost an Olympia? Arnold should have done a guest positing routine, perhaps to the soundtrack of Conan (the movie he was trying to promote), and it would have made everyone happy. This Olympia was filmed to be televised, but after the controversial ending they decided not to air it. So the IFBB shot themselves in the foot in a way. It does hurt a competitor's rep to lose so it was understandable why some of them would boycott the next year's contest. How else could they protest the judges clear willingness to violate their own rules? It turned out to be a wise decision as the next year's contest was even more overtly rigged to favor Franco Colombu.
They favored Arnold all the time chris Dickerson and boyer Cole should have been Olympians at least once says my husband mark pure bullshit
Right before the contest at the competitor’s meeting, all the competitors were asked if anyone had a problem with any of the judges. No one said a word.....
Amen 🙏 thank you
You're spot on mate. This one was rigged just like the one the next year and people knew it. It was ridiculous
@@kurtvonfricken6829 Yeah, because if they did their placings get even more fucked up.
Bwahahahah that Arnold impersonation at 2:03 is kick azz! :D
Was fucking good xd
That laugh fucking kills me every time
Bill Pearl was scheduled to be a judge at the 1980 Mr. Olympia. He withdrew himself from the judging Panel, because he had helped Chris Dickerson prepare himself for the show. After the show, when asked by CBS, where he would have placed Arnold. Pearl, quickly replied without hesitation "Fifth". Months later, Arnold goes on to be a Box office smash starting with "Conan the Barbarian ." Then on October 7, 2003 Governor of California. The next day after the 1980 Mr. Olympia show, CBS immediately cancelled it's contract to film the 1981 Mr. Olympia show, and never televised another Olympia again. To this day, CBS has never released any of the High Quality footage of the 1980 Mr. Olympia.
That footage probably doesn’t even exist any more.
@@Hadoken. lol Arnold probably bought it
@@JesusOnlySavesEternally or burned it?
I have always considered this the watershed event in bodybuilding history. This is where the Weider's and Arnold screwed bodybuilding forever as far as getting mainstream attention is concerned. This sham did bodybuilding in. It has never recovered.
@@ruckanitepreacher5618yes bc it was a outright fixed event caught on live television. Luckily for them the very early 80s was a lot easier to bury these things but this fuck up can never be forgotten. It’s very important people know about it bc corruption must be brought to the light always
2:01 for Arnold impersonation
Arnold impression was incredible LOL
I laughed my ass off when he did that
Awesome
ARNOLD won.
he didn't "lose"
not his best as everyone may know but he still won
Mike , shredded and hard yes, but he still doesn't have the classic shape or balance or esthetics to win let alone a true Mr. Olympia
in my opinion of course
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@@StevieVman1 if they can let a horrible looking refrigerator shape jay Cutler win one why jot mike?
and mntzer too lol its bestial form
The thing about the 1980 Mr. Olympia contest is that it was held during a time where bodybuilding was aiming to be very mainstream. Contracts were being made in the industry, bodybuilders were going to television and Arnold Schwarzenegger was the face of the sport, to the eye of the average american citizen, at least. Not only was Arnold the star who had been the winner 6 times in a row, he was also the upcoming hollywood star that wanted to make it big in the screen. That being said, at the time, Arnold was considered a mediocre actor, with his first critics being very harsh on him, so his muscles, his physique was his main product to sell him as good choice for starring in a movie. So you take that, and you have the sport's biggest name making a comeback during a time he wanted to get big in hollywood: how would it look for Arnold if he lost the 1980 Olympia? Why would anyone in hollywood cast him, a mediocre actor, with a strongh accent whose main thing were his muscles and those muscles didn't even win the Mr. Olympia contest? It would be a disaster for Arnold's career. Then, you add that to the fact that Arnold and Weider were fierce advocates for high volume training and supplements. That made them very good money, and at the time, with very little information around, people believed it. However, there was one specific individual that defied that. One man that went on the opposite direction and said that you actually needed much less training than Arnold and Weider advocated. Not only that, you didn't need the much talked about supplements the industry was selling. That man was Mike Mentzer, the first bodybuilder to ever earn a perfect score. A 5'8 man that held over 100kg of lean mass on stage, a weight that was only matched by prime Schwarzenegger, a man 6 inches taller. Mike Mentzer said Arnold Schwarzenegger and Weider were wrong and he proved it with his very own physique. Who could argue with that? So then you see, the 1980 Mr Olympia was rigged from the beginning. Not only that, the rigging began in 1979, when Zane, a 5'9 bodybuilder beat Mentzer, who was an inch shorter and 45 pounds heavier. You don't hear much about 1979 because it wasn't as outrageous as 1980, but Mike Mentzer should have won in 1979. They made him second because the guy that dared to challenge the norm in the IFBB could never be awarded. That would be the same as admitting they were wrong. And Weider and Schwarzenegger would never do that. But the people caught on and called them out on that. How could the perfect score, heaviest bodybuilder on stage be second? So, in 1980, they put Mike Mentzer at 4th place, tied with Boyer Coe, so that when people would point out Mentzer should have won, there would be 3 men between him and Schwarzenegger. Mike Mentzer is the true 1980 Mr. Olympia and 1979 Mr. Olympia.
Accurate analysis
Well said enuff said.
Wow. To think this was over 40 years ago. I was a young 20 year old and was at this Olympia. I just felt privileged to see all these bodybuilders in the flesh. Tom Platz’s legs still amaze me. Whether it was me seeing Arnold in the flesh for the first time or the way he strutted around on the stage like he owned it (poor Roger Walker copped a hard time off Arnold standing next to him during the compulsory posing. Arnold would deliberately do the wrong pose until all eyes were on him, then do the correct pose after everyone else was fatigued), but I went home thinking he was the best on the night. I’m glad I wasn’t a judge.
Apparently, Tom Platz holds a record for squats, He did 23 reps of 500 lbs. There are videos of others trying to duplicate the feat, but he still reins.
7/11/22, 9:57 pm
@@ORagnarspoken to two other people who were in that thousand or so at the Oprah House - to my surprise they said exactly the same as you. They said Arnold won.
@@jimjim5245 Arnold did win!! It's not in dispute!!
@@jimjim5245well, Arnold has good stage presence and also has many fans so there was probably bias
@@mikthe2004 the result is there but the rumours and innuendo continue. The eye witness accounts of the people who were actually there say he did too!
I have always found Mentzer much more aesthetically pleasing. He seemed more well-rounded as compared to Arnold that was mostly biceps and pecs and with a frankly rather blend midsection. Even at his best he never showed much of a six pack. I assume because of genetics, i.e where his muscles attached.
Zane was hurt that year and had no good Shape. The next Year he skips cause he know it would be corrupted when Columbo makes his Comeback.
yes but Zane did not deserve the victory in 79 against a great Mentzer
Best Arnie impression, man! rofl Not to mention, also the best and most honest appraisal of the '80 Olympia I've ever heard. You've got a new subscriber.
One thing I have noticed...Arnold's charisma, posing, self confidence and the way he presented his physique...far superior to the other athletes and in that era counted for a lot.
also having some of the JUDGES over your house for dinner afew nights before the show doesnt hurt your chances either, But yes Arnolds Charisma,Posing,Self Confidence and the way he presented his physique was better than most of the others also
Who knows dude? Do you know Arnold directly at that time? Probably you havent even been born yet so you just speculated on the movie you Arnold was in and that was a very subjective and low quality opinion
Agree 100%
probably teh best Arnold impression of all time!!!!
Arnold's strong point has always been combination of genetics, height, massiveness and definition of upperbody, chocolate cyborg looks, popularity, luck and lastly Joe W's support. That's how he got there. There ain't gonna be anybody like him for a long, long time. He's been a popular name among kids, teens, fathers, grandpa's in all countries and that's something.
That has nothing to do with the point of this video, like what?
@@curtissmith8747 who cares !
Arnold is a manipulative phony in many ways. It got him far it certain arenas but it finally caught up with him.
@@curtissmith8747 Arnold Schwarzenegger was Joe Weider's treasure and obviously he already had judges on his side which eventually made him the winner though it was extremely most controversial Mr. Olympia. That was the power of Politics.
@@siddheshchavan2751 Worthless Complainer in their Garbage Nutshell Moment. Touch Some Grass Boomer
arnold was Joe W. boy and they gave him this win to protect the business model Mike was challenging if you learn the whole story, it was Jones/Mentzer against the flex/supplement corny "fitness product" market, mega lucrative emerging market, what about Platz?
Agree 100% brother . . . . .
Yep
Firstly Arnold made Mr.O famous ngl..so Arnold being face of Bodybuilding they can't let him lose
Secondly if Mike gets famous..all their business doom
I remember this competition as a young bodybuilder at this time! Seems strange to think of things in these terms today! It's a journey for sure, glad a lot of us are still alive !!
if u do not mind me asking what gear did u use then?
@@shred9475 helmet goggles and gloves
@@11bravo80 lol
Wow... that's the best Arnold impersonation I've ever heard. It was so good, I had to hear it 5 times, that is some serious voice talent!
Mentzer always said that there were several that beat Arnold without including himself. Which I think you made a reference to on the beginning. But people need to know that he retired not because he didn't win but because who should've been 4-6 place got first.
Yes exactly the reason he retired..so heart wrenching I mean common man if Mike would have continued we could have seen one of the best body in the history of bb .. Mike would have been phenomenal if he hadn't retired and he wouldn't have been in that stage for 5 years after retirement from bb..damn he was really in a bad condition
Well said
And then Franco won the next year's Mr Olympia under very dubious circumstances and in much worse condition than Tom Platz, who many say should have won it - those two O's cast a dark shadow over the legitimacy of bodybuilding judging, for sure.
Jeez, Mentzer made a big deal about this the rest of his life, and Mike wasn't good enough to win that day... Pitiful that he raged about this his last 20 years. This wasn't the only controversy in an Olympia. Hell Coleman shouldn't have won a couple of years. He actually peaked his first couple years and slowly got the bubble gut the final 5 years.
@@rickgarcia8481 yeah, Mike wasn't very strong mentally. That doesn't take away the fact that this show was travesty
Mike wasn’t mad that he didn’t win. He just didn’t believe Arnold should have.
Loving the commentary and impressions. Great video!
5:30 my god mike is Killin it . Arnold just look like he showed up just to be a name at this point
mike was more conditioned yes but arnold clearly has more mass
This is a very good and balanced critique of the '80 Olympia that adds levity to all the debate about Arnold's worthiness at this show (and your Arnold impersonation is bang on).
Arnold was actually disqualified at the prejudging for not doing the mandatory poses. That judge was sent packing that night.
Kurt Vonfricken it was a total fix. Arnie great bodybuilder and all that but he never won that night.
Maz Iqbal
He was great, but I think the decision to compete in 1980 was one he regrets. It hurt his reputation more than helped it.
Weider had his bags packed and ready at the door, lol
If Arnold 1974 or Arnold 1975 had shown up, there would have been few critics of this particular contest.
Arnold rarely made big mistakes in dialing in his competition shape, but his one big error was training ( according to Arnold ) for only eight weeks. If he had 18-16 weeks of fine tuning his conditioning, to grow into the show, he could have blown away the competition.
A seldom appreciated but happy story, is that for all their differences, Arnold and Mike reconciled shortly before Mike's death in 2001. Arnold had heard about Ray's kidney illness, and reached out to the Mentzer brothers to offer any support that he could. Mike was touched by this, so they met up and buried the old hatchet.
Marx, i just thought that i would let you know that when you troll Arnolds voice you are actually doing God beautiful work.
Your impressions are brilliant accurate and God like.
The thing with Arnold was his chest and overall upper body aesthetic ratio was unmatched. He had the perfect genetics (and stack) to achieve that dominating upper body figure, bit with a slim defined waist.
No legs, mediocre ab structure, slope shoulders, small delts, piss-poor triceps and forearms, paper thin back, outdated posing routine.
thanks for the cool vid Marx Max Muscle, your COMBO of HUMOR and SERIOUSNESS was a perfect blend.I Enjoyed the video very much and I Agreed with most of your remarks
This is 2 years later, I almost fell off my couch laughing from your Arnold impression. Good stuff. Glad to be a subscriber.😅
I'd like to add, NOBODY in this lineup would have beaten a '73-'74 Arnold.
That is quite obvious but irrelevant. No one here would have beaten haney, yates, Coleman, Cutler, Sergio, or heath in their prime either.
Possibly true but it was a 1980 Arnold that competed. A sub par version of himself.
Or a '75 Arnold
@@stind1299 Arnold was at about 75% of his best at the '80 Olympia. It was still good enough to beat the other contenders. That is why they were fed up. It's called 'sour grapes', lol
@@kurtvonfricken6829 It's a lot more relevent then what you said. All those names "Cutler, heath etc." Are a part of the new generation of bodybuilding, you can't compare that to the golden age. That's pretty obvious. Now, bodybuilders are mass monsters, back then they looked like Greek Gods.
Arnold was probably gifted that one based on all the first-hand accounts I've read. Still, from all the pics I've seen, Arnold stays in the game just based on his chest and arms. Your eyes are immediately drawn to Arnold over whoever is next to him. He wasn't the best, but I don't think he was blown off the stage either. Not based on photos, anyway. You know, Wide World of Sports filmed the whole show. Wonder if it's still around somewhere?
Also Padilla should have taken second.
Not this year. In 1981 Padilla was fantastic. In 1980 he was not in shape at all!!
Mike Mentzer,won.
You did do it justice! Thanks. Mike did have an unusual structure in that his chest while relaxed looked very undersized making his belly seem bloated but then he hit many poses with a vacuum with no sign of any bloating, I always wondered why he just didn’t hold his gut in when on stage like everyone else did. I think more people judge Arnold against prior versions of Arnold more so against others on the stage that day. Personally, I wish it would of went to Boyer that year, he was probably at his best and was never a wiener like so many others were that year. He just worked and trained hard regardless of the outcome
I agree Boyer Coe would have been a very worthy winner.
Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines agreed Boyers abs had a strange structure but his back shoulders and arms were unreal, the fan in me would of like to see him win one of these early shows
@Steven Innocianti wow I would of loved to see him back in the day, he was always one of my favorites and if he was blessed with better ab genetics I think would of won his share of O titles . I did get to see Sammir, Zane and Dickerson all guest posing at a show in San Jose in 83, very cool experience for me back then. That was before the days of mass monsters and meeting them off stage they were all pretty small guys and even sub 200 pounds during contest season, Sammir and Dickerson spent lots of time talking to the fans giving advice, Zane was more interested in just selling his products
Больше всех в колхозе работала лошадь, но председателем так и не стала.
💥 8:22 Arnold, bigger back and way bigger calves. There’s no surprise that he was ahead of Mike in that show.
Hi Phil! I was junior Swedish champion 1987. You are one of my favourite bodybuilding ever. Even the greatest! Because you never had any week body parts. You where complete. I think that you even deserved to win 2010 Mr Olympia. If you still have the motivation and enter the stage in the best shape you will win for sure. Best regards
Johan d’Aubigné
General practitioner
Gothenburg, Sweden
Yeah Phil!!!!!
Phil? Which Phil?
More Arnold impersonations please!! You should totally do an ‘Arnold week’ , where you record all your videos using your Arnold voice only
People forget that charisma really does affect the score. And Arnold had boatloads of it. He also stood taller, another advantage
you are absolutely right, besides Arnold had better proportions and was more relaxed
Was much, much, closer than people want to admit
Arnold carried it off, but you could make a very good case for Mentzer
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Well that could still be closer that you think.
But Dickerson and Zane also factor in.
Also Mentzer apparently scored the same points as 4th place.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Not really.
Look at who won the years before... Zane.
Now was Zane the biggest onstage? No.
Was his muscularity out of control? No.
Arnold's aesthetic look and size had pretty much set the standard by which they were judging. Mentzer had strengths, but was also shorter and had a fire hydrant look.
Arnold pulled it off.
Personally I think 1981 was much worse.
MENTZER HAD VIATOR DENSITY.....MIKE WAS A BADASS!
MIKE HAD BETTER LEGS, FOREARMS AND TRICEPS
@@joshhandgins3110 Mike was also substantially shorter than Arnold.
Gaspari always had better legs than Haney... didn't make the difference.
Where did you get these pics from? Because if they are from the video The Comeback, then those pics are doctored. They actually shrunk Mike in comparison.
Thanks, this was so infamous but I think your assessment is pretty accurate
Your ARNOLD VOICE JUST KILLS ME
Mentzer had Arnold beat in the triceps for sure.
Triceps and legs. Arnold showed up without triceps and some really thin looking thighs.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines No outer sweep on the quads. Arnold pretended like he did not hear the judges call for triceps pose and just kept flexing biceps is what outraged bodybuilders like Frank Zane at the Mr. O this year. We can politely disagree.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Of course Arnold won. That's what the controversy is.
😂
For you
I still prefer Arnold over the others in this Olympia. His symmetry, structure, and asthetics were much better than the others.
Arnold voice was spot on. !
You forgot Anold is 5 inch taller. That's why his structure looked bigger, but size wise according to proportions and structure then Mike is way ahead. There are also 5 other bodybuilders that were better conditioned than Arnold.
Edgar Garcia there was a 6” difference (5’8” vs 6’2”).
@@dubbled7286 Arnold was never 6 ft 2. He was more like 6 ft 1/2 - 1 inch.
Arnold was measured 179cm as an adult barefoot in Europe.
Pro bodybuilders are _a lot_ shorter than they claim.
@@dududu5189
Yeah I’ve seen footage of Arnold walking in public and especially now days in his old age, he looks about 5’10,
And you were there Charlie?
That was a fantastic Arnold impression
Great work Mark, very perceptive.
A lot of stuff has been said about the '80 Olympia and videos made.
To really understand what was going on, that contest has to be seen in context.
Think of MotoGp and the dominant years of Marc Marquez 2013-19 inclusively. Race after race, the rest of the field were racing for second place and a paycheck. Then when MM was out through injury (eg 2015), the rest of the field got reinvigorated because they could race for the glory of winning, which after all, is what they were there for.
Many of the guys lined up at the 1980 Olympia, had spent years in placings behind Arnold. Then they had four years without Arnold competing, but only two men had capitalised on Arnold's absence. Others knew their time was running out, and were devastated at the news of Arnold returning. A controversy was built around whether Arnold was out of time to enter, but in truth no one else competing wanted him there!
As for the outcome, judges are selected for their knowledge and impartiality. They are given the best seats in the house. No issues with camera angles etc, the judges can see everything at only a few yards from the competitors.
They said Arnold won in 1980 and that should be decisive.
Nonetheless videos such as this are entertaining viewing! 👍
Except the judges were Arnold’s friends, and they weren’t scoring the contest impartially. Judge Albert Busek was one of Arnold’s oldest and dearest bodybuilding friends. Judge Brendan Ryan was in Arnold’s circle of Australian friends through Paul Graham, who was the local organiser of the 1980 Olympia. And Mits Kawashima and REG PARK FFS….the panel weren’t just friends of Arnold’s, they were some of his closest and most loyal friends
@jaytanner1696 Most conspiracy theories can look convincing if carefully crafted and well presented. Yours is no different. But you have offered no evidence about who the judges were in 1980 or regarding any alleged connection they each might have had with Arnold. Logically, they might have known others on the stage too, so your theory that they were all biased for Arnold over Mentzer is full of holes.
If, for arguments sake, you were right that Mentzer was best, but the judges chose Arnold out of bias, how come Mentzer didn't come second? How do you account for three other guys additional to Arnold, placing ahead of Mentzer?
Amazing that you managed to trace audio of the Mentzer/Arnold incident, I didn't think any existed.
Bro you should prank call people with that Arnold impression lol spot on!
Are we just not gunna talk about that amazing Arnold impression at 2:00 😂
That caught me off guard I almost projected my Bagel 🥯 across the room laughing 😂
This video is a gem it's only gonna grow more
Judges choice : arnold
People's choice : *Mentzer*
Roy calander looks great
It's on his calendar, on a daily basis
Your arnold impression is so good
Arnold played with Mentzer mind at will, psyched him out. Mentzer never recovered from this defeat.
The true winner of the 1980 Olympia was Danny Padilla .
Mentzer did not say he should have won he said Schwarzenegger should not have won.
Most of the judging is done during the pre-judging. That is where you shoot for your best conditioning. The evening show is mostly just for the fans so it isn’t uncommon that competitors will look better at night but then it’s too late. Also NEVER judge a show by pictures. I met Arnold in ‘83 and the guy was so full of charisma that the entire gym would slow down when he walked in. Your impression was awesome! 😃👍
these days, if i am not mistaken was part of judging also posing routine. it was one of reasons why these guys were way superior compared to today's bodybuilders (in general)...
Duke, It's MenTzer not Menzzerr!!! Gotta problem using the TTT?? WTF??
Where did you get your pronunciation of Mike's last name? What happened to the "T"?
Arnold built his physique to perfect his own poses. The mandatory poses reveal his weak points. Arnolds 1980 physique was the closest to Zanes 77, 78 ,79 Mr O shape. You said Arnold looked like a male model, i agree, male model proportions with added mass in just the right places. Arnold is a smart guy, he prearranged history to set the stage for the 'win'. Arnold is an actor, he created his reality by positioning the players like chess pieces then fit himself into his 'role'.
Wtf? No. Stop sucking him off.
Here's what Arnold did:
1. Didn't inform his competitors he was entering
2. Entered the contest at 2 weeks out. That's a clear violation of the rules
3. Didn't even hit mandatories if they would expose his weaknesses.
Maybe it was a violation of the rules, but why were all the guys so upset by Arnolds return. They all trained hard and Arnold or no Arnold, they should've been ready for anyone. Not only the judges, also the fans favored him a great deal.
@@This_Man90 Maybe? It was a violation of the rules no questions asked. That's one of the reasons the guys were so upset.
And no. They can't be ready for anything. Here's why. When a Mr Olympia is crowned he sets a standard. A standard that everyone else is compared to. For smaller guys like Frank Zane that standard is conditioning. For taller guys like Arnold it's usually mass and structure. Zane was the Mr Olympia at the time and in his footsteps guys were chasing conditioning and as such came in flatter and leaner (which is one of the reasons why pretty much everyone made Arnold look like he was 12 weeks out). Had they known Arnold was competing they would've bulked up significantly and sacrificed that level of conditioning a bit and came in more massive.
And no, the fans and bodybuilders didn't actually favor him. Just the judges didn't want Arnold to lose and tarnish his legacy as a great ambassador for the sport.
@@samraizshoaib585 Makes sense, exept the fans really did favor him. He got applauded big time, multiple times. It's logical to me. Arnold basicly made the sport, since everyone knows who Arnold Schwarzenegger is and only bodybuilding fans know for example who Reg Park or Steve Reeves are.
Mike Mentzer is one of my fav phsyiqes
I always supported the Mike Mentzer winning until I saw this next to eachother comparisons. Arnold Definitely was bigger and looked very good. Thanks for shedding light on this for us. 💪
Mike Mentzer never said he should have won. He always discussed several other people that should have been in the top 3-5 spots ahead of Arnold in that Olympia that didn’t include himself.
It's not all about size though. Mentzer was much more conditioned as were many others.
Gave me a good laugh bro,love your videos
I believe NBC filmed the 1980 Olympia, but never aired it due to the controversy of Arnold winning I believe. Is that footage available? It would be cool to see it and compare.
no, stupid. CBS ran out of film because it ran longer so they couldn't film the entire Finals. THAT's why they didn't air it.
Just love the Arnold impersonation. You’re channeling him.
Los German is fe Guadalajara y teresita
Arnold looked good but wasn't his best package. I would say Mentzer could have taken it
He didn't. He placed fifth. He wasn't even a contender.
@@matthiasbalke9089 That's what you called getting robbed lol. It's been debated Mentzer should have won for years and is one reason this vid was made behind the debate.
@@matthiasbalke9089 Arnold shouldn't have placed in the top 6. Who won the show and who should've placed miserably are the same person.
@@GFWoodchuck Mike "meth" Mentzer is dead and Arnold is laughing all the way to the bank. lol
Even Arnold might get a kick out of your impression of him, LoL. Very good.
Thanks for Sharing!
your Arnold speech mannerism is spot on!
Mentzer really beats Arnold for thickness and conditioning. Just better.
Mike Mentzer should have won the 1979 and 1980 Mr Olympia. None of these photos show Mentzer's strong poses. Besides, there's a huge difference in photos and seeing them in person. I know there was a tremendous amount of booing when Mentzer was announced 5th place. Even Dorian Yates has been quoted saying Mentzer was robbed.
You nailed the Arnold impersonation.💪
Well Yates was one of Mentzer's boys so no wonder he sided with him I'd say
Great video Mark!! Thanks for doing this comparison. Mentzer was my Favourite bodybuilder. He was robbed that day! 💪💪
He he I like how you mispronounce MenTzer as "Menzer".
When I grew up in the 80s I really idolized his look. Like him, I have a very mesomorphic/endomorphic structure, so I always related to him better than the ripped ectomorphic guys with thin bones who were lean all the time. I also was heavily influenced by him and then Arthur Jones and the later Dorian, when it comes to training. I think the main thing holding Mike back was lack of chest development, alongside a bad attitude. Back could have been wider too, which makes sense because Mike had that archetypal "limb-dominant" structure. Look at how many times guys like Shawn Ray, Flex, Levrone and Cutler kept coming back again and again to do battle. They are true champions, even if most of those guys never won the big one.
Anyway, even all these years later, Mike's physique is what I aim for - rugged, angular and "masculine" if that makes any sense. Not bloated or pretty-boy by any means. He just looked powerful as hell, even though his hips and waist wasn't small for the stage, it reinforced the impression that the guy was solid. If you ever look at his physique from the early days, you can see he built 90 percent of his body the traditional higher volume method. (www.greatestphysiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mike-mentzer-young.jpg) I think if he had stuck with it and stopped being such a whiner, he could have grown more and perhaps won. I think he developed a training philosophy out of first principles, and then tried to shoe-horn reality to fit it. High Intensity is a great tent pole of bodybuilding, but it's not the last word in total development. Today I train with higher volume and frequency, and my joints, adrenals, and motivation is much better than back in the day.
I saw him at Gold Venice in the middle 90s, and it was quite a shock to see how this larger than life guy in my youth was actually, by then, a short pudgy guy who seemed older than his actual years. Still got him to sign a copy of Heavy Duty though. I realize his hey-day was long since over,, but when you see guys like Charles Glass still in good shape and maintaining the love and motivation for the sport after so many years, it brings a smile to my face.
Mike was never going to win no matter what shape he was in. He had pissed off Arnold too much. When Arnold told Joe Weider to jump, he jumped.
I'm pretty sure he would have won the 82 had he not given up. I mean who was gonna beat him, Chris Dickerson? We have the benefit of hindsight though.
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Mike gave himself 3 tries. I think he knew he was never going to win no matter what. If he entered in 1981 he wasnt going to be allowed to beat Franco. Things were so bad back then and the IFBB had such a black cloud hanging over it there were rumors before the 1981 contest that it was going to be one of Arnold’s buddies either Franco or Jussep Wilcoz. Mike was simply not going to win no matter what. He pissed off to many powerful people.
@@kurtvonfricken6829Oh the 81 Olympia winner was decided the moment Franco announced his participation, no doubt about that. They even shipped in an Italian judge for that year's competition who gave Franco top scores in every pose - easy win. I guess you might be right. Because now that i think about it and remembering all of what i read throughout the years, it seems Dickerson too was gifted the win... he told the Weiders that it was to be his last show and that he wanted to retire, so i believe they made sure the judges were aware of that, basically a gift (like a watch on the wrist) for having been loyal/gentlemanly all those years. He of course didn't retire and kept competing, lol.
You talk a lot but know very little. What was Mentzer's bad attitude?! Clearly you know jack shit about training, don't even comment on Mentzer pelase. Mentzer had problems with drugs etc. but main person he hurt was himself. His training theories were correct, that's his only 'crime'. You seem very ignorant of corruption but that's not unusual if you are in USA. Most parochial and dysfunctional rich country ever. I read book you see.
I was wondering if you know how to find tape of amateur contest? The 1982 Mr San Francisco. I completed in it and it made the local stations but I can find anything on it. I hope to hear back from you. thanks
That has got to be the funniest Arnold laugh impression I've heard! 😆
Arnold is clear winner! Greetings from Austria 💓💪💪
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@@odessafile75 Doch!
Only to unitiated viewer.
Sehe ich auch so. Grüsse aus Köln.
Muscle size edge?? What the heck does that even mean? Mike was harder, tiny waist, better vtaper, better symmetry, better poser, etc. He was more muscular, more symmetrical, end of story. The muscle size edge was to Mike. Height don't mean crap in bodybuilding. The only two guys who could match Mike in condition that day were Chris and Boyer and they have just one too many flaws compared to Mike. Zane was smaller and off from 1979 and no way should have finished ahead of Mike.
The sport is called Bodybuilding, not Conditionbuilding.
I definitely disagree about the muscularity comment. Look at the back double pictures. Arnold is out-massing the crap out of Mentzer. The only area where Mike was bigger was in the quads and the gut! Their conditioning were pretty comparable to each other but Arnold has better structure and more size so I would chose Arnie to come out on top.
Ahaha remembee arnold was retired in 4years.so if arnold was not retired and continues to bodybuilding at that year.! How come.
Excellent work 👏
The biggest misfortune of the other candidates is that they coincide with the Arnold era.
Damn, Arnold made people sweat even after his prime (7:27). I've got to say that I like Mentzer's body structure (although he shows some gut in some of the photos). Even tho his legs aren't massive, imo they fit his upper body better than Arnold's legs in these pics (probably cause he's shorter). Great commentary as always bro.
Mentzer's legs were massive not only by 1980 standards but would not look out of place today ( not counting all the GH,.insulin and other drugs ad nauseum)
Arnold isn’t known for his back poses. He’s always been known for his chest and biceps. It’s really amazing to see how good his whole backside is in this photo. Even his calves and glutes have distinct muscle bellies that look full and distinct. Mike’s whole back is asymmetrical, undefined, and his glutes and hamstrings look frumpy.
Arnolds chest,shoulder width, arm size/shape,back double bi,and over all structure was enough to win.Those who didnt see that were just blinded by their ignorance. The only thing Arnold ever really lacked was just over all leg size.IF he had packed on more leg size from day one,he probably could have won another 5x
If his legs were weak then he lost because others had complete development
Legs weren't as much of a factor if they were a decent proportion, shapely and pleasing to the eye that was enough to satisfy the judging back then Bodybuilding was all about the torso.. Platz was one of the first to bring leg attention to the foreground and was instrumental in bringing forth the dawning of the 'Total Package Era" what Yates was to the dawning of the "Mass Monster Era" The sport is constantly changing
@@TopG4AReason Yeah, yeah 7x Mr O laggy I'll take that kind of laggy an day!
Great commentary!
4:08 Just look at Mike's chest and shoulder separation, amazing
Arnold has the best build out of all of them, if he never left he would have literally won all the way until the late 80s possibly until like 1990. They were mad the king returned for his throne
the story of Ray and Mike Mentzers end of lives is very sad.
Yeah, but they did it to themselves. Years of meth & cigarettes will destroy your life and cause an early death.
@@timsullivan7940 Mike's father and mother died when Mike was young so he had to join the army for his living , he also has a sister who dies very young. I feel it may more about genetic not only his terrible life style.
@@errrrrr5545 You make an excellent point. The thing is, with genetic predisposition toward heart disease, one is in an especially precarious situation. Life choices become even more important when facing those odds.
Mike was easily the best looking on that stage.
I came here just for the impersonation. You nailed it but with exxageration😂
The Arnold impression is pure gold!!!
2:00 ... that's the best Arnold impression I've ever heard! SO PERFECT. When I look at the pics from that show, I still think Arnold was far superior to all those guys. He was in bad shape (for him), but it's still like comparing a thoroughbred to a bunch of draft horses.
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To compare horses gets a bit confusing, after all , look at the stately Shire ( biggest draught horse) compared to a thoroughbred.
Arnold had bird legs.
I'm glad to see that the Marx Max Muscle comments post is NOT an Arnold Fan Boy Jamboree! HIT AT HOME is correct and spot on about the travesty that was the 1980 Olympia. But its much deeper than that. Let me give you some historical context. For a sliver of time it looked like Bodybuilding was going to become LEGIT and gain Pop Culture ACCEPTANCE too. Riding on the Pumping Iron movie popularity and Joe Weider's SMART market planning. Bodybuilding got the approval of Mass Media which over looked the 400lb. Gorilla in the room (MASSIVE PED DRUG USE). Both on Air and Cable T.V. was airing Bodybuilding, Weight Lifting and Power Lifting Shows which all depended on PED Drug use. However, because they were LEGAL at the time, it was ALL GOOD for Mass Media to show. CBS had contracted with the Weiders to air the Mr. Olympia for an extended time period. Then it got blown away like a puff of smoke, because of the 1980 Olympia. All because Arnold wanted to become a comeback hero in a movie sequel to Pumping Iron. Arnold was Young and DUMB at the time and did NOT have the wisdom to foresee the irreparable damage he would cause to Bodybuilding. The aftermath made him a persona non grata amongst his peers. People like Vince Gironda, Dave Draper and Boyer Coe who helped Arnold on his way to the top. All viewed him in a very poor light. Perhaps there is something Teutonic about victory at all cost or maybe because he was a child from a beaten country that led Arnold to make this WRONG choice. Whatever, CBS pulled the plug on Bodybuilding in total and never aired the 1980 Olympia too. You need NOT be a fly on the wall to have imagined what the Network Executives were saying about bodybuilding after the 1980 Olympia judging fiasco. Just a total BLACKEYE, and worst of all, under the WATCH of the Weiders. Back in the day MGM produced a movie about the post WWII Bodybuilding Culture Boom. It was a musical called ATHENA that starred Jane Powell and Steve Reeves. It had a fictional Bernarr MacFadden character who was promoting a bodybuilding/weight lifting show. Charles Gains and George Butler should have also created a script that was a fictional Mr. Olympia contest rather than a Docu/Drama. It would have averted the catastrophe that was the 1980 Olympia. Later on Arnold regretted his choice and tried very hard to make AMENDS when he and Jim Lorimer created the Arnold Classic Showcase Event weekend at Columbus Ohio. To Arnold's credit, the show has NEVER been FIXED. And the reports have been favorable about the weekend's showcasing of the Bodybuilding Culture and Industry. But too little and too late. As history has shown us, Bodybuilding is still a niche activity that only draws people to a FREAK show full of UGLY and BLOATED bodies on parade. Marx Max Muscle was WRONG to depict the Frank Zanes and Boyer Coes as sore losers for boycotting the 1981 Mr. Olympia. They knew the FIX was in and everyone saw Danny Padilla and Tom Platz get hosed by a Gyno Titted Bow legged Franco. They were RIGHT and Arnold was WRONG. And TOO BAD for us.
Arnold is the measuring stick.
I disagree with the smug way he dismissed the losers objections as "whiny babies." Those other competitors had a legitimate complaint. Also, there was a blatant conflict of interest because Arnold had business dealings with one of the judges. Additionally, Arnold was technically ineligible to even compete.
yeah and the same thing happened in 81 and Tom Platz acted with class, not like a bunch of little babies. whats the point of complaining? we missed out on Zane vs Columbu 81
The judge who threw him the win was Albert Busek
Arnold was a lot taller not bigger
your impersonation of arnold is insanely accurate lmao
I don’t know of anyone who seriously believes Arnold should have won that year, including Arnold.
I would pick Arnold’s body over Metzner every day.