Misty Copeland's Lazy 'Black Swan Variation & Coda' (vs ABT Ballerinas)
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2020
- Swan Lake / Black Swan Pas de deux
Dancers:
Misty Copeland (Principal since August 2015)
Gillian Murphy (Principal since 2002)
Irina Dvorovenko (Principal since 2000)
Susan Jaffe (Principal since 1983)
Michele Wiles (Principal since 2005)
Luciana Paris (Soloist since 2015)
Sarah Lane (Principal since 2017)
Nina Ananiashvili (Joined ABT as Principal in 1993) 
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Please don't call Misty lazy, she worked her ass off to get where she is. I started ballet this year (age 13), and she's been one of my biggest inspirations and motivations.
What level were you put in? I have to start with the 6 year olds in level one at age 13! And I didn’t even do like a placement test, they just kinda put me in level one. Lol
@@keke9795 I was put in beginning, but its with other 13-16 year olds! But definitely don't give up! I know you'll achieve great things!
@@mcocgod2 ok thanks
Same PEGGY!!! I started this year too! (13 yo) and Misty is my ALL TIME favorite inspirational ballerina-- starting at age 13 and becoming America's principal dancer. I go to a class for teen-adult beginners too!☺☺☺
@@keke9795 bro yes I was a late starter and one time I had a recital where it was me and two lil 10 year olds. I had to get an XL costume and it didn't fit my chest CAUSE IT WAS A KIDS COSTUME LMAO
The editing of the Copeland rehearsal segment is really designed to tear her down and make it seem that she's "giving up". Having her walk off stage while taking off her costume in exhaustion is just so manipulative. Obviously, you don't care much for her dancing which is fair, but why post this?
Thank you. Exactly my thought. A completely private moment used to manipulate. Pretty gross.
@Michele Ellis Really? just because I don't agree with this post? That's rather presumptive and narrow minded of you.
@Clarissa Leung The problem is being called lazy for an inability to do something. It was a jab at her for sure, I wouldn’t defend it.
I don't know if she's lazy but her turns are weak and slow, which makes her look lazy. This routine is above her skill level though so it makes sense she struggles with it. She looks as if she was barely hanging on to the fouetté.
I just don’t like what she said to Irina.
i can’t believe the title even has the word lazy? she isn’t lazy don’t act like no ballerina has off days. very rude to call her lazy or any ballerina lazy because you know damn well how much work gets put into it.
I thought lazy had just referred to some character she was playing in A modern ballet that I just didn't know about. It is unfortunate that the person who created this video used that word .
@sofia s you sound dumb as hell 😂 do you not realize how many rehearsals, classes, and hours she has put into ballet? she can’t ever go to book signings or galas that are apart of her career and help with promoting her books that give tips to younger and even adult girls on the ballet lifestyle? and how can she draw her own attention to herself? people CHOOSE to pay attention to her because she is likeable and a good ballet dancer. you act as if not one ballerina has never had a bad day or performance. NO ballerina is gonna ever be perfect. idk how you even call her lazy when i know damn well you would not even be able to pull off half of that variation. girl you’re sad that you spend your time hating on a PROFESSIONAL ballet dancer that has more knowledge than you do in the sport. nice try boo.
@sofia s you don’t think ballet is a sport? it’s a sport just as much as it is an art form. don’t talk to me about my level of expertise thanks. but now you wanna bring her race into her very much earned success? WHO CARES if that’s what got her recognized? i think it’s crazy that that’s even being brought up on a comment that had absolutely NOTHING to do with her race & was talking about how her dancing was being talked down on. but yes since you wanna go there her being African American very well played apart of her story but again who freaking cares? it’s amazing that there’s a principal dancer that gets to represent her community as it is not as widely represented in ballet. let me add when i look up misty copelands name i see good videos & yeah there are some that show a bit of struggle but guess what? that’s the same for every ballerinas name you look up so what is the issue?
@sofia s i just saw another one of your comments where you replied to a person who didn’t mention her race not even once and you used the race card once again. what is it with her race that you have such an issue with? she has technique i am a ballet dancer i can recognize technique. why would a world known professional company let a women in with no potential or skill? you see one or two videos of her falling out of fouettés and run with the idea that she doesn’t have any talent? why? if that’s the case why don’t you keep the same energy with every other ballerina? swan lake is one of the hardest ballets to perform in general. also every ballet dancer specializes in one area more than others. for me i’m better at adagio then turning. some may be better at allegro then adagio. no person is gonna be perfect in all areas. it’s really unfair that you keep using her race as an excuse for her success as that is NOT the only reason she is where she is. stop talking about her race it’s getting old and you’re sounding bothered by it. and ratmanskys choreography compared to others is horrible in my opinion. it would make any dancer look awkward but that’s my opinion.
@sofia s first of all i never called you racist but your continuous comments about her race are getting annoying. they are so repetitive. we get it you don’t like the “constant” media surrounding her race blah blah blah but in reality her community appreciates it. just cause you get nothing out of it doesn’t mean no one else doesn’t. African American little girls look up to her so much as well as other ballet dancers apart of that community. yes misty can improve greatly like every single other dancer but that’s ballet. you continue to grow every single day in each class & rehearsal. i just don’t like how misty is getting labeled as a lazy dancer who only gives lazy performances which is far from the truth. this ballet world should be uplifting to dancers not degrading. you can give critiques without being hurtful, bringing race into it, or initiating that she’s undeserving. that’s all i’m saying and i’m tired of arguing with you. we have our own opinions.
Misty works like a dog, probably to her own detriment. I'm not her biggest fan, but i also know she struggled with an injury and also sought training from that Conrad guy, who actually screwed up her body and placement even more. Gillian turns like a top, she's so stable and trains very seriously. My coach has taught her on several occasions and she said Gillian never changes a combination. She has no ego, very hard worker. She does the work even in smaller simpler combinations. You can't hold a candle to Irina, she has that precision and Russian training. She and Misty aren't even part of the same world.
Interesting! Would you be willing to elaborate on that? I thought she improved after working with him. But you are a professional dancer and I’m not (I did ballet for a number of years but didn’t get the chance to pursue it) so I’d love to hear your thoughts if you’d be willing :)
that Conrad guy looks suspicious tbh
Yes, they are. As you said, you are not her biggest fan so you would not know how hard she has worked. Yes Gillian's turns are good but, ballet is not just about turns. Misty works hard in every combination, but your mutual connection to Gillian makes you biased. The statement you made is very disrespectful. They are both beautiful ballerina's and principal dancers, so speaking on someone you don't know much about, let alone putting them under someone is is not kind.
@@LaylaMalone-vy2kf if you knew anything about Vaganova training (which is what Irina has from the Kiev Ballet school- both Russians and Ukranians studied the Vaganova method) vs. whatever mishmash of training Misty got as a teenager (she even admitted she was taught incorrectly in her early years) then you'd understand why they are not even part of the same world. i'm not biased towards Gillian, she's not even my favorite dancer. i just happen to know about her work ethic, which is what this video is about... i prefer Vaganova-trained ballerinas at the end of the day. But their school system is VERY different, which is why they produce VERY different dancers. Ballet training in the United States is inferior due to limited funding for the arts.
@SaltySugarPlum Misty doesn't have good feet. All the technique in the world can't change that. Russian schools cull the dancers with bad feet.
Would you cut it out with the “lazy” spew already? We get the point. You’re allowed to critique Misty, as is fair, and you don’t have to like her, but you don’t have to be malicious about it either. There are ways to be constructive without being cruel.
Laura Streeter I don’t think it’s possible for professional dancers to be lazy; they can’t afford to be.
That being said, Misty just needs to find a niche and stick with it.
@@BlyssfulSpirit Dancing with Prince was her niche. Too bad he has since passed on. Maybe she can be back up dancer to another rock star. Her "talents" at ABT are being wasted. *snark/*
Laura Streeter Interesting to hear that Copeland’s teacher was known to put students into pointe shoes early. I read that she was on pointe 2 months after starting. Anyway, after a couple of years there was a guardianship tussle between Misty’s mother and teacher which received nationwide publicity. The mother won and scholarship offers poured in since the mother could not afford lessons for Misty. A couple years later she attended ABT’s summer intensive program by invitation and continued into the company. However, her late start and compressed training has IMO caused physical problems for her. After her severe leg injury in 2012 and year off she came back to plunge into many leading roles that other dancers spend years training for. She has been promoted as an icon and those who judge her as a dancer get taken to task. But Mistry herself to my knowledge has never claimed to have overcome rejection and prejudice to get where she is.
@@germaineperry9586 Did you read her book? Did you watch her many reviews at the time? She certainly claimed racism. She also allowed fake media news to use the racism smear for her.
Kerry Takashi, The media wants a good story and they are ignorant about ballet. There is nothing she could have done to stop it. I did see her volunteer on camera that the Underarmour commercial narration was not about her. She has talked about racism in general but more about body image since I am sure she is well aware that if she was white, she would not be in the company based on short legs in proportion to her torso, no particular technical prowess, average artistic ability. Sure it is all about the publicity but she would be stupid not to take advantage of it. ABT benefits in increased attention and ticket sales so it is taking advantage too. That’s life.
I certainly don't think she's lazy. She's just very obviously not on the same level as a lot of other principals. I could sit here and nitpick all day- I don't like her hands, she travels too much, couldn't do all 32 turns, blah blah blah- but when it's all said and done, none of that is indicative of her not being a hard worker.
Yes, well, the fact is that she is of a technical quality, and certainly of a line, that is superior to the other ballerinas, so that's why I would say your objections might be racial. There is not another ballerina at ABT with those legs feet and extension. The most classical line of them all, so.... You kinda don't know what you're talking about. She's BETTER than the others.
@@jerrydouglas4583 Yeah it has to be "racial" LOL. Hey if she were white would you be as impressed with her skills?
I agree wholeheartedly. Misty is one hell of a hard worker and I have a lot of respect for the boundaries she's broken in ballet (and the fact that she gives racists a black eye just by existing), but there are superior ballerinas out there in just her own company. In my opinion, her director did her a disservice casting her in this role - if she can't handle the choreography, he shouldn't've cast her in the first place.
@@simplystreeptacular exactly! I just don't like that for whatever reason people have such a hard time regarding her race and her skill level as two completely seperate things.
@Laura Streeter I wonder if she has flat feet. A lot of black women including myself have flat feet. I pronate so badly I twist my ankles just walking. Incredibly quad dominant with a weak core and glutes, anterior pelvic tilt, horribly tight in the hips, forward head posture, shoulders constantly hunched up. I'm 27 years old and use a walking stick, wear knee braces etc. I did ballet for a while as an adult beginner but my postural problems were so bad that I couldn't continue with it.
Kerry, no you don’t understand. ABT and all cultural institutions don’t make money. They just try to keep from going too far into the red. It is a matter of survival. They have to walk a narrow tightrope between the art they cherish and the practical necessity of making money. The Alvin Ailey company has to schedule and promote their “Revelations” at every single performance. Almost every ballet company has to perform “Nutcracker” through the holiday season or they wouldn’t survive. They all have to tailor their offerings to what the public, not aficionados, want to see. If Copeland draws people in and some become learn to appreciate the art, then she has done a service to the company. It is unfair to expect her to somehow make up enormous deficits or else she can’t dance. I suspect that the Met season was cut short because ABT as well as the Met management decided they couldn’t afford it. Only about 40% of their revenue comes from ticket sales. They are a charity. If Copeland’s fame can also help them raise money, then they will use her.
Germaine Perry it's very cutthroat, from the way you make it seem, and with Misty being a major face in the industry, ABT milks whatever they can to stay above water. So I believe that while calling her "lazy" isn't justifiable, saying she's very talented isn't either. It's just complicated, the whole scene and everything.
I wouldn’t pay to see her either. In ABT’s visits to DC,only her performances sold out so I think she does sell tickets. Even if she didn’t the company gets mentioned every time she is interviewed. Free publicity for the company. Both she and the company benefit. God yes, I would rather see Guillem just walk on the stage.
@@germaineperry9586 ruclips.net/video/reZH2B8irtw/видео.html Michaela DePrince
the way irina at 6:34 barely travels at all i am in awe.....
Same!
Wow, Irina’s fouettés are marvelous! She gets around so fast and her retire is so high and consistent. What an artist!💛
P.s. Title’s a bit rude though. Misty’s not my favourite but she sure isn’t lazy.
and without traveling... wow
She definitely isn't lazy. Some dancers are going to be better at some dances over enough. I feel whoever posted this honestly is more racist than they're willing to acknowledge.
Ikr! (Bout the first part)
IKR(About the last part) Misty started at 13 too, so you have to give her a little credit for that.
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if you don't like a black woman's dancing it doesn't mean you are racist
@@carlajonas4508 she never said they were racist…
I gather a lot of people commenting here haven’t seen Misty perform in person. I got to see her Swan Lake with ABT a few years ago and she did all (or close to all, I wasn’t counting - but it wasn’t this abridged choreo) the fouettes. Was she my favorite Odile? Maybe not, but neither is Isabella Boylston and I LOVE her. For Misty’s Swan Lake you could feel the passion of the entire ballet from the “family circle” (nosebleed seats!) and the whole ballet was beautiful as a whole. While I also love to comb RUclips for bootlegs and official videos clips of ballet it’s never quite the same as being there live. Misty was an exquisite dancer. (although this video has made me notice her hands are weird in her turns - you can’t see that from the family circle)
And for any other armchair experts who might read this in 2020, I’ve also had the privilege to see other ABTers Gillian Murphy, Stella Abrera, Hee Seo, Isabella Boylston, etc etc. and you know what? I sometimes saw them in the roles they’re “known for” and sometimes ones they weren’t. And you can take something beautiful away from each performance.
Another good thing is that everyone has different tastes - if a dancer isn’t for you, they might be for someone else. I tend to prefer the speed and precision of someone like Maia Makhateli or Daniil Simkin and the extension of Gillian or Isabella. But that also means I’m always excited to see what a live performance can be when a dancer is in their element - watching Misty in Firebird, or Skylar Brandt turn, or Isabella jump, or Gillian do anything.
I also got to see Alessandra Ferri do Juliet at age 53, and you would not have been able to convince me she wasn’t 16. Her dance expression was magnificent. And I saw Natalia Osipova (with Steven McRae) do Giselle in 2015 where she straight up FELL after landing a jump. Just crashed the floor. You know what? I didn’t immediately think “she’s a shitty dancer” - more like “if it can happen to her it can happen to anyone. Shit happens. Ballet is hard.” And none of us left there thinking she was no longer one of best ballerinas in the world. Judging dancers off of one performance can be tricky. /rant
Misty isnt a star...she was made a star...she can not act and has no stage presence. She is a talented ABT corps dancer.
8 noticed that to honest,y I think she’s over rate but she is still an amazing dancer
I've seen her in person many times. She is a beautiful dancer. Is she the best I've ever seen? No. She does have something that is all her own, but technically she just isn't it. She has artistry.
I would never denigrate someone's hard work and Misty definitely puts the hours in but there are several other black dancers (and not only) with far superior technique who can actually deliver the choreography as is. On the other hand if this result was delivered by a white dancer she would never have made it to the corps let alone become a principal. She does well in breaking boundaries but as an audience I feel disrespected when a brilliant choreography is simplified because a dancer can't cope.
It wouldn't be so bad if she had charisma, or artistry, or musicality, or something that compensated for the sloppy and missing turns. Agree that many black dancers have far superior technique, but it is true, perhaps, that most black people in general don't get as many opportunities to dance ballet as certain upper class and wealthy white elites with the right body type. And overall, the group of whites that have the chance to dance ballet is much larger. So, it is perhaps best to let it be. After puzzling over this one for a long time, that is the conclusion I've finally come to. I wish Misty the best and hope she has the sense to stop dancing classical ballet before she gets injured even more than she is already. She will have a media career/presence for the rest of her life, and she has already proved her point -- that money, hype and PR can buy just about anything (except real talent).
As for the title of this video, no, Misty is definitely not lazy. She is bright, capable, and certainly a better dancer than the average RUclips-binging couch potato. So, it all depends on the basis of comparison. Misty compared to professional ballet dancers? Embarrassing, without proper foundation, training or technique. Compared to me? Fantastic!!!
What you say is absolutely true. No one likes to admit the truth for fear of the inevitable bitter comments.
Put it back in the deck.
That’s what I’ve seen, they re-choreograph the ballet to make up for Misty’s lack. Simplify it & even slow it down so she can keep up. Not impressed with her or anybody who would put her in line ahead of other dancers with more talent.
You do realize that all dancers aren't Prima ballerinas. Misty is a very good, technical and strong dancer. She executes her moves beautifully. There may be better dancers, but there are very few ballerinas who can pull off a flawless performance. Those who can do, do. Those who can't, criticize.
I think it’s just the fact that Misty really doesn’t deserve to be a principle dancer, technique and performance wise. She is ofc a talented dancer. Especially since she joined ballet so late.
@@persephonexx She is very much a technical dancer, i do not understand what legs and arms you people are looking at. Her performances are heartfelt and not the same face every step.
@@MelMeltalks31 Technique can be measured and evaluated objectively. The truth is Misty has a myriad of technical problems due to the amalgamation of 1) starting ballet later than most of her peers at age 13, 2) getting put en pointe a few months into her training by her teacher which is unsafe and unethical practice, 3) getting injured due to the previous reasons and needing to get injury on her left tibia and to get plates screwed in. She has hyperextended legs but she doesn’t know how to manage them properly - she literally straightens her hyperextended legs and locks her knees during chaines, which is a big no no. Her pique manege is often half-assed, with her non-travelling leg dangling behind her in a messy extremely low attitude-esque position instead of placing it in the retire position. I’ve seen her nearly collapse from a few hops en pointe. She’s just not a very technical dancer in terms of classical ballet.
@@clarissaleung4509 omg you literally wrote out my exact thoughts 😂👍
@@MelMeltalks31 You've said it. You do not understand. Misty Copeland should not be dancing classical ballet.
Did I just watch 13 min and 27 seconds of dancers doing fouettes? Yes, yes I did and I enjoyed every second of it. It was, in fact, the best thing I have seen all day. Thank you.
If going by this, Odette/Odile just isn't for Misty. Personally my memories are of Makarova and she's the standard I hold others to. But Gillian, wow!
Makarova! Prima ballerina assoluta. ⭐
A role I loved Misty in was Juliet!
What sets a PRIMA ballerina from the rest is technical brilliance and artistic mastery. THATS what makes them a prima, not corps, not soloist. Osipova, Nunes, Guillem, Makarova, Plisetskaya, Fonteyn...all MASTERFUL performers.
exactly, to be a prima ballerina must be able to do every classic coregraphy really well it is terrible change the 32 fouettes because the etoile isn't capable to do it, I'm not blaming her, I am blaming the people who choose her to that position, it is wrong
Perhaps the Murphy comparison is a bit unfair since any ballerina capable of tacking on double, triple, and even quadruple pirouettes in this sequence is clearly a natural turner, but I think it's clear that Misty's technique was not built to sustain her through carrying entire classical productions. I once read an interview with Irina Dvorovenko where she said that doing 32 fouettes isn't difficult - she's been doing it since she was 12 - the real difficulty is in tempering your emotions so to the audience you don't look exhausted at the end of it. I don't think that it is unreasonable to expect that if a dancer is going to perform this role, they should either be able to execute the technical demands, or be capable of giving a performance so stunning in the rest of the ballet that not completing them doesn't affect the audience's impression of the performance. Not every 32 is going to as electrifying to watch as Murphy's or Dvorovenko's, who I think are the most dynamic out of this grouping, but to be unable to even get through half of them is quite unfortunate to say the least.
Kaitlyn Clem what do you mean by natural turner?
@@Steven-hq4mb I mean that some dancers have a natural aptitude for certain skills that make them exceptional at performing them. For instance, Natalia Osipova is a natural jumper, Ulyana Lopatkina is a natural adagio ballerina. It's sort of like having a signature move that attracts attention.
Agreed. For instance, at a guest performance of 'Swan Lake' Kathryn Morgan had to shorten her turn sequence when she was sick with her thyroid condition because at that point she simply didn't have a body healthy enough to do it, but she is such a technically beautiful dancer and has such amazing artistry that it's irrelevant. Unfortunately, Misty's technical abilities are mediocre compared to her contemporaries at best, and so she falls short by comparison.
First of all, why do you think you put rehearsal footage first thing for Misty Copeland and performance footage for all of the other ballerinas? Don't you think that's a little biased? Second of all, you could've just put "Comparison of ABT Ballerinas Black Swan Variation and Coda" as the title instead of pitting Misty Copeland's "lazy" performance against all of the other principals. Let people form their own opinions and don't try to implicitly convince them of yours. I also wonder why you said "vs ABT Ballerinas" instead of "vs other ABT Ballerinas. Are you implying that somehow, she is not an ABT Ballerina herself? She has worked her ass off to get where she is, and endured a lot of racial discrimination and body shame so leave her alone please. And third of all, her fouettes were much more musical and clean than almost all of the other ballerinas in this video, and I enjoyed her performance. I'm not saying she's the best dancer ever, personally I like Isabella Boylston better, but Misty doesn't deserve all this hate. Im sure we all heard about Misty's "fouette fail" but there have certainly been other slip ups in ballet history, and they haven't received nearly as much publicity. So what's the difference? Misty Copeland is black. That's the difference. How about instead of making videos like these, you take a second to confront your inner biases and then do something to help empower black dancers, not tear them down.
Rehearsal footage is the only footage available or that is allowed to be released by Copeland's own PR team. There were once MORE examples of her dancing during professional ABT performances and they were all taken down.
To date, the only professional release of her dancing is Romeo & Juliet at La Scala and a few motion picture clips.
Therefore performance footage can't be cited if it is not released and this is by Copeland's own choice.
Its not about race, people! Its about carelessness and skill level. Quit playing the race cards here idiot, we are getting sick of this garbage! Also this carelessness appears to be a consistent thing with her.
You should do well at rehearsals.. that’s like basic rules. Rehearsals are a performances without audience
Bella Evans THANK YOU. I am not a dancer but I am an actor/singer. You can mark it sometimes but a rehearsal is best treated as a performance for the director.
The ghost In the mirror ya a director wont let you dance/sing whatever if you do really bad at rehearsals. it’s not practice. she’s in costume and everything
Obviously all the dancers in this video are truly AMAZING but Gillian’s fouettes are absolutely unreal 😮😍
They are just beautiful!
I love Gillian as O/O
Aren't the double ones considered "cheated"? Trust me, it is easier to spin twice then do the full fouette each time! 🤷
@@etherealtb6021 at least she can do them ;-)
@@candacelfuller lol, true. Someone else said the double ones a rent cheating, but she's literally doing more than 30. Interesting!
Poor Gillian in 2015 though, the orchestra was playing SO slowly!
I can clearly see a difference in quality of execution. I would never call her lazy as she works very hard, and I recognize folks are disappointed that they made adjustments to accommodate her. Yet no one is highlighting that the plates/rod inserted into her leg were not designed to do what she does. The fact she has been adaptive, resilient and driven to still dance to the calibre that she does in and of itself is more remarkable than any ballet could ever be.
@Laura Streeter It isnt just bad technique that causes injury. Misty knew she was injured but like many driven athletes, dancers body movement practitioners she pushed her body too far. How do I know technique is not everything...I was a spiriting with amazing form, always ensured I warmed up properly but it didnt stop me from tearing my hamstring in a 100m. Difference is I didnt push myself more than I could so that I would heel. Injuries can be reduced with proper technique in anything physical but genetics plays a role, stress, not resting/listening to body...one does not earn the title of prodigy without its merit. One thing I recall from dancing when I was little was my teachers mentioning the it factor. You might not be the best technical wise, the prettiest, but people cant turn away from you...Misty has the it factor and she is able to convey the stories through dance and ballet so beautifully and the story is just are critical as the execution and sometimes adapting skills helps enhance the ability to convey a story and I dont see folks highlighting that either. The beautiful thing about Misty is she knows this about her abilities and says as much but still has the tenacity and drive to go after something so grueling as dancing lead in Swan Lake and being able to demonstrate her versatility which is stretched beyond measure.
@Laura Streeter injuries in sports happen no matter what, and can happen for any reason, and we know the risks. I broke my back doing gymnastics, I knew the consequences, and I had to adapt my excercises. That is exactly what she's doing.
Tamara Rojo once fell during a lift and injured her neck, nearly paralyzingly her. Oksana suffered from Anorexia and danced with Achilles injury still got third place in Moscow competition. Lopatkina had a foot injury with surgery that would have ended her career but she danced after six months. Lauren Cuthbertson had a ankle injury that made her cancel her Aurora Ballet in London, Umi replaced her, but one month later she danced Aurora in Mariinsky Russia. Having plates in your leg does not make you special.
Charlostain Sawshades who hurt you?
Lady Justyce THIS! It’s that X factor. Its clear that we understand the critique on Misty’s fouettés, she does too, but I don’t think that takes away from her overall interpretation of Odette/Odile. Why do so many people think this ballet is just those fouettés? It’s a trick that Pierina Legnani could do, so Petipa put it in for fun. I don’t want to put down any other ballerinas, but I’d much rather see Misty in this role that some others at the same company who do the fouetté trick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 🩰
I think Misty is a great dancer for neoclassical and contemporary work .... I saw her dancing the Nutcracker and it was not her best ever ... but I still like her
To be fair ABT’s sugarplum choreography looks weird on pretty much everyone.
Let’s remember that misty started ballet as a preteen, so it is amazing that she’s dances as well as she does with half the time under her belt as most ballerinas.
@Laura Streeter SO BLACK LIVES DON'T MATTER FOR YOU?
I started as a preteen as well. I took 4 classes a week to catch up to my peers. I was doing fouettes on pointe within two years. The teacher I trained under was the only one who gave approval for pointe. I was able to do the 36 fouettes. I would practice practice practice. until i got it right. It's doesn't matter what age you start, it's about the skill. Scout Forsythe also started as a preteen.
Also, this was recorded in 2018, making Copeland (who is my age) 36 years old at the time. So, even if she started at 13, I think she’s had plenty of time! I don’t know the other dancers age. Most kids don’t train THAT seriously, so I think the whole age thing is just part of the culture trying to claim exclusivity for kids of more well off parents. Most female dominated sports are suspiciously “must start early” required (dance, gymnastics, cheerleading), while I’m guessing male dancers often start later and aren’t considered much different because of it. Meanwhile, we’re seeing more and more retirement “exceptions” throughout various male and female sports and performing arts.
lame excuse for lame dancing
Maya Schonbrun started ballet at 13 and by 16 her dancing was exquisite, just divine to watch. (She's 20 now and a corps dancer for the Royal Swedish Ballet). So this constant "reminder" to cut Misty some slack because of her supposed late start is nonsense. Like another said, she's had plenty of time to catch up!
Black man here. From South Central Los Angeles. I've never seen a ballet. I was watching some scotch brand's "commercial" with Qestlove, the drummer from the hip hop group, the roots, and Misty Copeland. She spake of a "foy yettes"(how it sounded to me). I decided to xheck it out. She is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS!!!!! To me? Its nearly unbelievable that a human can "dance" like this! It's, to me, almost, as if it's not dancing at all! It's like an escape from a giant's grasp! The way they STAND ON THEIR TOES!!!! Lord!!!!! How!!!? Does it hurt!!!?? And if so? Just imagine how much PAIN it takes to "do these"! Again. Unbelievable! Misty is dope!!!!! May mean NOTHING, coming from a Los Angelino, born in the early 80s. But it meant a lot to ME! Just to witness, for MY first time, such an excellence!! I wish the BEST for Misty, being so HUGE in a world where "we" are hardly EVER seen! Kudos shorty!!!
Ok. So you are saying that Copeland gets a pass for failing to perform the choreography (THAT EVERYONE ELSE MUST DO INCLUDING OTHER BLACK DANCERS) because she is who she is and you like the look of her.
@@kerrytakashi12 uuuhh. Yea! Why would she NOT get a "pass" from Me!? I'm NOBODY! I didn't even know ONE name of ONE black dancer! She's the only one I have to compare anything to. So she's the best I've ever seen. So yea. Pass here✌🏿
@@moedinyu7172 why don't you value technicality and capability to do the steps rather than race? That's the text definition of racism. I'm so tired
@enlosluceros7236 well take yo tired ass to sleep then. Excuse my French. I'm PROUD to see my sister doin SO WELL for herself! If it were just that easy, for my people, in this country, race wouldn't be mentioned. But, the reality of it is there are still plenty racists, propped up in positions they have no business being in. Misty Copeland is pure walkin and talkin DOPE!!! You? You are insecure! That's what you are! If all you got from my comment was "racism", you need THERAPY! STAT!!🤣
@@moedinyu7172 You should seek for videos featuring Michaela Deprince. She is a full black (not a metis), has vitiligo and just smashes Copeland in every dance aspect (especially her jumps).
Just because fomeone feats you physically doesn't mean you should admire them blindly.
Gillian's fouettés are legendary, unsurpassed 💖👍
Gillian is definitely the star of this compilation. Just gorgeous and effortless.
The one person I've seen out-Gillian Gillian was Tamara Rojo. There's a vid of her with Matthew Golding dancing the whole pdd in the round, and she alternates doubles and triples. Really jaw-dropping.
@@minissa2009 yes, I agree. I saw her live in two performances in 2015 in swan lake, she was superb, and yes, the video you mentioned is exceptional 👍😉
What?? In America, do you mean to say? Is America the extent of your awareness of various ballerina's fouettes? Alina Cojacaru? Marianela Nunez? And perhaps above all, Tamara Rojo:
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Edit: And by the way, the Russian technique of doing fouttes is significantly more technically difficult and requires more strength than the "western" technique. In Russian technique, the free leg swings only to the side between each foutte, while in the "western technique you can get extra momentum, and extra rest on the supporting leg, by swinging to the front and round to the side before turning again.
So those with Russian technique and those with western technique can not really be compared fairly without making allowance for this difference.
Natalia Osipova is the Queen of turns (fouettés in particular) for me.
What strikes the the most is how she never finishes the choreography or has to outright change it because she can’t keep up. I don’t think she would’ve made it to second soloist if she didn’t have the hype and PR machine.
The account is a troll account. Copeland is also an ABT dancer
@@sherylchilders6 idk about the account but these clips are receipts. Maybe they should’ve written “other ABT ballerinas” but I’m not gonna nitpick over this.
@@e.i.3077 ok 🙄Clearly a dog whistle. And a helpful hint: To see the account, just click on it
She’s definitely not lazy!! She’s amazing and exceptional! However, I think what makes her come off this way is that she lacks the “elegant” facial expressions when she dances. You see other Russian ballerinas and Gillian smile and make it look quite effortless but as for Misty, she makes it seem a bit tedious (like she doesn’t enjoy it). I’m sure it’s extremely difficult I couldn’t even dream about doing ballet lol! Ballet is all about elegance. It wouldn’t look as good if you’re not smiling. With misty you can tell she’s thinking about her next steps/moves.
Her facial expressions have nothing to do with anything. She's just a weak ballerina, period.
well, Misty is awesome, no doubt about it, but all other ballerinas did 30-32 fouettes, some of them with double or triple pirouette. Misty did around 26 in the 2014 video and 16 in 2018 video. I think that's what the video is trying to reference. But yes, her and all other ballerinas are amazing
I read that she had several fractures in her tibia that she danced through and steel plates put in, so maybe she does have to work a little harder to hide that she's in pain? Idk
The job of the dancer is to make it look easy - Misty makes sure everyone knows how hard she's muscling through every step. It's painful to watch. She simply does not have the technical skill to be a professional dancer, let alone a principal. She certainly is not in any way "exceptional".
@@katwil89 I agree. She makes it look hard and like she’s tired.
Irina, wow! Movement radius is inches vs Copeland's half of stage. Copeland's early mistake threw her off probably, but she traveled from right to left in her earlier performance as well.
Nina Ananiashvili - truly one of the greats. I was lucky enough to see her perform many times. A unique, generous, magnificent, beautiful, deep artist. Her Raymonda, also, was incredible, as was any role she danced IMHO.
She was the principal at the Bolshoi before joining ABT, she got world-best training which enabled her dancing till mid-50s
Nina Ananiashvili does the best Black Swan coda I've ever seen, but Alicia Alonso and Maya Plisetskaya tore the house down.
@@LeCanalBarbaraAnne Maya Plisetskaya never performed 32 fouettés.
My father knew Alicia since the 1940's. He conducted her. She would only let him conduct. She threw Balanchine off the podium in Theme and Variations, and my father conducted the premiere. I grew up with her in Cuba. She would tear the house down with every single variation in the Black Swan third act, let alone the coda. There were three bows for every move. Forget about the fouettes. It was a hockey stadium. My father's name was Benjamin Steinberg.
@@Dima.Demidov She did pique turns instead, but they were so fast, she tore the house down.
Nina Ananiashvili, AGE 54. This left me speechless.
I know, right, no 32 turns in coda?
AGE 44, not 54
@@helazemni1683 ...apparent you didn't watch til the end. ...
She amazes me. 54 years old and she dances incredibly well.
I have nothing against MC. She just, is not my cup of tea.
I never watch videos with her dancing.
Saying mean, hurtful or disrespectful things is unnecessary.
There are so many gorgeous Ballerinas, I better invest my time in watching them🤗❤️
Thanks for putting this up. I just saw Swan Lake last night and now I can’t get enough of it.
She also eliminates fouettes and hops on pointe in Don Quixote. And removed herself from Ratmansky roles because his choreography is notoriously killer. I don't think she's lazy, I think she genuinely cannot do the steps. She is not a technically strong dancer. Which begs the question, why was she made Principal?
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Because > 👩🏽
I think we’re underselling her artistry and stage presence. There are plenty more dancers that can do fouettes than who have her level of emotional depth and connection to the music. Also, I don’t think it’s fair that someone who experienced the kind of injury she did should be barred from principal roles just because she can’t do fouettes.
Because BLM and inclusivity.
You're right, she's not technically strong however, I don't get how the replies here are stating she was made principal bc she's black despite that fact that I have seen technically better black ballet dancers, who definitely aren't principal dancers so, that's bs
I had the pleasure of being able to see Misty and Gillian together on stage with the corps; no one outshines Gillian, especially when she's turning. Legitimately may be the best turner of all time. It's really unfair to compare anyone to her.
Yes and I think Gillian is weak in some areas of her training aswell but no one calls her lazy
It is fair to compare lol. She got the role, and will be compared to others who have performed it. Misty’s technique during the coda is never done well.
It's unfair that the Copeland is a principal, fuette is only the last of her technical problems
she's not lazy.
her skills are subpar. i can't imagine what other soloist and principals think of her. when they're more skillful
Think of all the talented dancers who would have been wonderful principal dancer.
Pretty much every female dancer in the company is superior to her technically (while there are admittedly also some other overrated and technically weak dancers...just none nearly as problematic as Misty). Meanwhile the others rot away, awaiting their turn.
The lazy comment i think refers to her natural inner inability to act...she has zero stage presence and is boring to watch...i think boring is better than lazy because i know she works hard.
@@kotori40 are you a dancer? most importantly are you a ballet dancer?
Very good point. She might be a little bot overrated when it comes to classical ballet.
On the other hand the Cuban Ballet School is amazing:
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Loipa Araújo ruclips.net/video/1DmEPVjI6HU/видео.html
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Rosario Suárez ruclips.net/video/611ewQH_2HA/видео.html
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It’s a timing issue. She is a millisecond behind and sometimes a millisecond ahead and has to short herself or has to long something awkwardly longer. She isn’t counting. I think she is listening FOR THE MUSIC and you will be late or slightly early if you do that. It’s an orchestra, not a piano following you.
I feel the same way about Gillians timing on turns.. if we are talking timing
Lazy? I mean, to reach this level of dance could she ever really be called lazy? And you're critiquing one video. I don't have a problem with critique if it's constructive, this isn't constructive at all, and really it makes you look bad, not her.
Misty haters will see her mess up once and bash all over her, but a video of another ballerina messing up all the comments are like “even the best ballerinas make mistakes” like come on…
Ms. Copeland is a lovely dancer. She had to have worked very hard to become even an ABT corps member. She does not seem, however, to have the technique typically required of an ABT principal dancer - especially for lead roles in ballets such as Swan Lake. Perhaps she is better suited to less challenging roles in which she can focus on interpretation rather than being challenged with technique issues. There are many wonderful ballets that don’t require the technique demanded by Swan Lake and other such technically challenging ballets. Principal dancers are expected to have mastered certain basics, such as a sequence of 32 fouettés, well before they become a principal dancer. That is simply a fact. I was a ballet dancer for 20 years and had the honor of the best teachers and being in class with superb dancers. It is a joy and a terribly difficult profession. There are no shortcuts and a dancer’s weaknesses cannot be hidden. I was not principal dancer material and so accepted my limitations and enjoyed and loved every minute of what I could do. It was pure joy to just dance.
But yet is is a principal dancer and the first African American one to do ABT 👀👀👀👀... Just saying...
I really like the discussions going on here. I agree that Misty is not lazy, but just not the right caliber of dancer. I think ABT (art generally) is simply echoing the progressive voice/PC movement for representation and inclusivity (not going to comment further on that here). I think Misty is a great example of selling what people want to hear - she was the best source we had at the time of beautiful, likeable, *marketable,* late-starting black ballerina, the perfect publicity storm. I wonder if we could have waited a bit longer for a better one who could do the community more justice, but the timing was certainly right.
You are pathetic. It's racist to call Misty of the wrong caliber because you think African Americans aren't.
Jerry Douglas that is not what he/she said
Unfortunately I have to agree. I think they used her race as a way to market and while I don't think that's inherently wrong, it definitely did her a disservice imo especially because she was a late starter and didn't have to grind her way up the food chain the way many others have.
@@jerrydouglas4583 youre a total troll. lol.
@@jerrydouglas4583 There are so many Black ballerinas who can dance circles around Misty Copeland - Debra Austin, Virginia Johnson, Lauren Anderson, Aesha Ash - if you want presently active dancers, then Precious Adams, Michaela DePrince, Nikisha Fogo, Francesca Hayward.
It’s racist of you to perpetuate the notion that Black dancers can only be successful and recognised if they play the victim and go on a publicity campaign around how their skin colour stops them from getting opportunities. All the other Black dancers I mentioned got to where they are today with pure hard work, grit and talent.
Not every opera singer can sing well in roles that don't suit their voice. I think in Misty's case maybe Swan Lake isn't best suited for her especially regarding the fouettes (unless there are other performances of Swan Lake where she executed all 32 and in a superior way). Also with ballet, especially this ballet, that 32 fouettes variation is the top and most anticipated one, and if a dancer doesn't execute them it's highly frowned upon., and that's how it is in ballet. She might be better suited in other roles that fit her style and skill more closely compared to this ballet, which doesn't take away from her principal dancer ballet skills.
Plisetskaya (who certainly COULD do 32 fouettées, doesn't in a clip of Black Swan I've seen. She pirouettes around the stage. It's still very exciting, because it's Plisetskaya!
@@philipkuttner7945 Are there other videos where she actually does all 32 fouettes???
@@gcmacyman The Little Wooden Horse. The film doesn't show all of them, but my source tells me she did.
Exactly
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When I was younger I always wanted to be just like misty. And I still do to this day. I went in pre point at 11 instead of 13 I’m now 17 and head of my class :) all do to misty!! She motivated me to keep going and keep pushing myself even when I wanted to quit
Michele Ellis idc about all that just that misty got me to my confidence level that I’m at. She is a role model to me and probably so many other girls out there who look up to her and yes I know there is other black ballerina dancers but some people like misty more than others
@Diamond Girl :(( She's my biggest role model :((
Yeah me too! She is such a beautiful dancer!
She's a rubbish dancer, what did inspire you? 😂
When comparing a subjective art form like ballet you are certainly entitled to prefer certain dancers over others. But there's is nothing in this video that shows Misty's technique is lazier than the others. Literally nothing. One must assume the uploader is not classically trained to come to such a conclusion. As for her not doing all 32 fouettes in the second version, there could be countless explanations for that: injury, problem with her shoe, off her leg, etc. None of them have to do with being lazy and could happen to any principal at ABT, and I'm sure it was a one off occurrence. I agree, your choice of editing regarding her taking off her tutu is manipulative and vile. You should be ashamed. Now for those commenting that she started later and that affects her technique, actually it doesn't. Yes she started later but to be a principal in ABT you either have the technique or you don't. They don't make exceptions because someone got a late start😂 She started late AND STILL got the technique.
Misty is amazing she is not lazy at all we love her and aspire to be like her
No, I don't aspire to be a mediocrity lying my way into jobs that I have no capacity to perform.
Are you her skin color? That’s probably why you feel that way.
@@christar9527 what does skin color have to do with this? She can’t get the job done. There are plenty of other dancers of various backgrounds who can.
@@kerrytakashi12saying this hiding behind a screen is pathetic. and you could never say that to her face. she is far from mediocre, and you are about as mediocre as they get
@@star_baker so says the one hiding behind a screen. I would say it to her face. I said it to a person who claimed to be an ABT dancer.
Да ну, у всех бывают неудачные дни. И что теперь?
That Gillian is ..like doing 36, and 37! Thats unreal!
How did she become a principal dancer. Lazy.
I love Carlos Acosta!
His joy his expression...
I enjoy Misty in Modern new contemporary. There are energy management and breath control challenges for her in Classical.
I want her to feel joy and fly during this point in her life💗
She’s not lazy, she’s just not the level of a principal dancer and has clearly only been promoted to this title because ABT wanted to be the “first ballet company with a black principal female”. She’s a token of political correctness and it’s an insult to all the amazing dancers who are much better than her who didn’t get promoted
That’s the simple truth. If you’re not a racist you know that.
She always looked a little chunky & slow to me. I never saw any sparkle. Just not up to A+ principal skill. But she didn’t need to be. As you say, “diversity”.
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With every other dancer its if you can't do it, you dont do it. With Misty, they change a CENTURIES old choreography. Its not a black vs white issue. I bet there are is a decent number of black (as well as asian, hispanic, etc.) dancers who COULD execute it properly. (I say a decent number because there's only a handful of all dancers who could, regardless of race) This doesn't empower black dancers; quite the opposite. Why did they have to dumb it down for the first black ABT dancer? Should've picked someone who could. Yes, she's a beautiful dancer. Extremely skilled. But she can't perform the choreography, so she shouldn't have gotten the role. You're all right, lazy is not the right word. Under-qualified is. (P.S. it doesn't matter if YOU could not do it, she's dancing the role of Odette/Odile in the Swan Lake for ABT. YOU'RE NOT.)
Thank you !
@@celeste2025 ruclips.net/video/reZH2B8irtw/видео.html Michaela DePrince
@@sophiaspringer7334 ruclips.net/video/reZH2B8irtw/видео.html Michaela DePrince
If she can't perform the choreography then I wouldn't call her extremely skilled :)
I am not a jump person and to me a true artist will dance everything required, if they can't understand or dance parts of a ballet, I don't consider them artists, adagio is a part of every ballet and without it a dancer will never make it. Ballet is a theater without words telling a story and expression is of most importance. Clean good technique is also important but but I is only a sideshow.
If someone can't do the 32 turns they shouldn't get to dance that role. People work their hearts out everyday and someone who can't do it gets to dance that part...
Gillian Murphy is the best
I miss when ballet was about presence and emotion rather than about being able to do a million fouettes.
Frankly I find Misty a lot more interesting as an interpreter than most of the Russian dancers I’ve seen interpret the role. They look like all that brutal training has killed their souls.
Yes and I’ve always felt that even if misty did the exact same movements as another ballerina she’d still be criticized.
If you feel this about ballet, try to figure out what I also feel about RG and WAG. 🤦🏻♀️😓
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@@sebumpostmortem I know, so frustrating the modern world has turned so competitive they’d rather have tricks than a beautiful piece. I hope in RG and WAG and ballet can go back to how they were!
This ballet is over 100 years old and the fouettes have been a requirement since 1895. So all dancers from 1895 onward have performed this step which has become an integral choreographic display of Odette's character, presence and emotion. But this is now only a problem because Copeland can't perform the choreography.
Watching Misty, she is absolutely beautiful. However, when she turns she tends to travel. Gillians turns and she stays in place. Both are beautiful but i think one is extremely better then the other.
She is NOT absolutely beautiful. She simply does NOT have the technique to be a principal classical ballerina.
@@oliviakirby1409The haters always say her technique is off but never say exactly how it is off.
I like Misty BUT Gillian's technique and artistry has her beat hands down
Barbara Garb Gillian has terrible port de bras and wears gaynors. If you equate competition dance style turns and tricks with good technique, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
I suspect that's my problem... Gillian is the sort of rare talent that most will never hold a candle too.
Seeing her Artistry and power behind that skill really spoiled me to the point my standards for "good" ballet are most certainly unfair to an "average" ballerina...
Misty is in no way a "bad" dancer, the issue is that she's just so "average" especially compared to the powerhouses likes of Gillian of course she seems mediocre!
There just isn't any contest. Gillian makes the famous 32 fouettes look so easy, fun and effortless, which is only exasperated when she mixes it up by throwing in triples and the occasional quad,
while Misty is visibly exhausted and in some frames she looks almost miserable! it makes me feel kind of bad for her being under this pressure...
but that's on ABT so I can't really blame her as I'm sure she's doing her best.
Laura P Misty is really talented but, Gillian is Amazing
Gillian's technique? You don't know what you're talking about. Gillian doesn't point her feet or turn out once. So, there is that. Her arms in the fouete's are of lesser technique than Misty's
LOl. Yes, a foot crossed over her supporting leg, a plank foot, shoulders around her ears and chicken arms are comparable to the elegant lines of Misty Copeland. For sure.
The idea of posting this footage and calling any part of it lazy is comical. You can SEE the sweat, heart, and passion she's putting into it. I've seen her performance and while her Odette isn't my favorite, her Odile is a credit to the character's passion and strength. Ask yourself if you're looking for fouettes or if you're looking for character, because Odile is absolutely one of those over the other.
THANK YOU!!
Love Misty and Gillian so much, and also thought the footage of MIsty and editing of this video was unfair, but does anybody else feel like Gillian's fouettes were a little out of the music sometimes specially when the music was slower?
In the second 2015 clip? The orchestra was playing too slow compared to the previous clip. Gillian was on cue.
Absolutely. And her arms seem almost floppy. Beautiful turns though.
Wow, after seeing the list of your videos, it’s obvious you don’t like MC… She is not my favorite female dancer but I can’t say she’s not good. She is fantastic for certain roles and/or styles, like everybody else.
I like her Juliet with Bolle. But to my understanding it's more of an acting role rather than one with technical challenges.
I personally think Misty has a winderful body and lines, but she js not a great, fabulous or amazing dancer. All ofher dancers are obviously on another level. I am sorry to say that but if she was white everyone would have said or complained more. And there r many more wonderful and good black dancers than her. She is overrated
She’s really not that bad at all. Just doesn’t have the near perfect technique that most other principal dancers have. Also I just noticed that in Swan lake she does like half the fouettés..
I thought she was going to fouette right off the stage
People don't pay top dollar at the Met to see 13 foutees and then round the clock chenées or whatever the hell she finishes it with. Horrible.
It’s not actually 32 turns, technically its 32 counts. Misty does 32 counts. Gillian does 64 counts, but not 64 turns. Classically its supposed to be 64, but not all ballerinas do 64. The natural turners usually do, but some do 32. Even some of the greats. But point is that it’s counts, not turns.
... You’re supposed to hit every count with a fouette, hence 32 fouettes. But if you miss some and end up with like maybe 30, no one’s going to rake you over the coals for it. But the prep double at the start of the sequence should get you a headstart, so you only need to get at least 30 in the 32 counts. Gillian only does her fouettes in the 32 counts, not 64. She just does more than one fouette per count on average so she ends up with more than 32 fouettes. No one does fouettes consecutively in 64 counts.
But the standard is you are expected to fill out the 32 counts with fouettes. Not do maybe 16 fouettes, and then opt out of them and do some piques for the final counts. Of course, if it’s a bad day or you’re injured or sick and you only do it on one occasion, no one’s going to blame you. If you do it continuously and never manage to prove that you are technically capable of doing 32 consecutive, clean fouettes though... That’s a different story.
Gillian Murphy is absolutely ICONIC!
I don’t think she’s lazy she’s just not a good ballerina musically or technical. I once read she got promoted to Principal after she broke her leg and wrote a book so as everything in USA she got a lot of followers and ABT promoted her and has become famous for being a black ballerina in a major company. Obviously if you compare her to any of the great ballerinas of her generation she always comes lacking. I’ve seen many of her videos and interviews and everything is hard for her (fouettes, balloné en pointe etc). As she tweeted once, “She knows her position and what she represents”, she knows why she is there and unfortunately it’s not for being a great ballerian, it’s for the diversity she brings to the table in a time where USA is all about. Besides Gillian Murphy who’s amazing, if you truly love ballet you watch Russian, English, Italian, or French ballet not American ballet. IMHO.
That sounds really stupid.
lets see your rendition of the fouettes... we'll wait.
The footage of Sara Lane and Herman Cornejo was ridiculously tiny. But I LOVE Cornejo !
People who know nothing about ballet defending Misty due to BLM without realising there’s way better black ballet dancers who get absolutely 0 air time because Misty might as well be the OnLy OnE!1!1! She does a disservice to them..
Misty isn’t terrible, she should just stay in the corps. She’s not principal material. Or maybe that’s what the US ballet fans think ballet should be ... :/
She would get kicked out of Vaganova program.. enough said.
She’s not lazy. It’s just not for everyone. I know this is messed up because they go through hell but I wish my mom would have put me to do this. She works hard, the coda is just a beast
“It’s just not for everyone”?!? This goes way beyond the bounds of the subjectivity inherent in the performing arts, fgs! Copeland signed on to be some kind of role model or standard bearer for African Americans aspiring to be dancers without having even nearly the technique required for a principal dancer in a world class company….that is a FACT, not a subjective opinion. I agree that “lazy” is totally the wrong word, but it’s obvious that Copeland can’t dance the standards of the ballet repertoire, when there are several, much more technically accomplished AA dancers who could easily blow Copeland off the stage, such as Michaela DePrince, who had a horrific childhood as a war orphan in an African orphanage, and who’s story is far more compelling than Copeland’s, but she gets very little attention despite her elan as a dancer. Somehow Copeland was elevated to a position she’s not able to justify onstage, and we’re somehow supposed to feel sorry for her or we’re racist! What kept the other dancers back is that they couldn’t “scrub the black off,” as was ‘suggested’ to Precious Adams at the Bolshoi Academy as one of the first AA student dancer graduate from the school….it is obvious that skin color had a great deal to do with the ABT’s choice. Anyway, Adams and DePrince are wonderful examples of true ballet dancers, not a token. Adams is now dancing with the English National Ballet and DePrince with the Boston Ballet, after several years in Holland bc she couldn’t land a job at a major American company.
I’ve heard this before from professionals. She looks great to me, but I don’t have a trained eye. But I do know one thing…if she didn’t have talent she wouldn’t be here. Sometimes when a person finds themselves in superior roles, they work out all the better…😊 I think! I didn’t care for her variation either, but….i don’t know how they chose the variation they want.
Do you have to do the fouettés standing on your left leg? Or would it be taboo to do right?
If you’re a lefty, then yes you can do it on your left leg. However, that’s only for soloist and principals. If you’re in the corps, you have to follow the crowd and do it on your right leg to achieve uniformity and synchronicity.
@@clarissaleung4509 very interesting. I will be watching which is favored by the prima next time I see a ballet!
Y'all are never going to be satisfied with her work 😏
Why would anyone be satisfied with failed performances?
This is an iconic -- and necessary -- part of a classic ballet. It would be like leaving out the "to be or not to be" in "Hamlet." Misty has crapped out too many times at this point. Sarah Lane had to step in for her a few yrs back because she simply can't do the steps. If u can't do them, you're no principal.
You’re comparing a party trick like 32 fouettes that could be left out with no effect on plot or character development (and that literally thousands of dancers can do) to ‘To Be or Not to Be’? I’m sorry, but as a dancer and actor, I’m going to have disagree. There is simply no comparing the two.
Dancer here, too. Yes, the 32 fs are a party trick -- but an established one and notable in the choreography. Some things just can't be faked or shunted aside. If you can't do the expected steps in a classical ballet, leave the role to someone who can. @@AlexB-vb2tw
@@AlexB-vb2tw Fouettes have been performed by dancers in this role for over 100 years now. It is no longer a party trick but a standard requirement in the choreography of this ballet and a dancer's education. Why lie to excuse this liar?
Thankfully, she will be retiring soon. I shudder to think of her becoming a teacher or a dance mistress with a company.
@@kerrytakashi12 I was thinking about she teaching just before read your comment, I hope she didn't make more damage.
You should see Joy Womacks black swan. So good!
Irina! It’s that old world training. Can’t beat it.
Nina outshines them all. Russian school of ballet is a whole another level.
"OTHER," Dipshit.
@@kristieroybal4888 They’re not wrong though lol
MARIANELA NUNEZ says hello. When it comes to technique AND artistic expression, for me she's just the best right now.
@@issaboss4641 I do think Marianela Nunez is a good dancer. We can argue about artistic expression, but for the technique, Nina never! adds pirouettes in between.
Cuban Ballet School is in that level as well:
Alicia Alonso ruclips.net/video/aVIG6lIdo2I/видео.html
Loipa Araújo ruclips.net/video/1DmEPVjI6HU/видео.html
Aurora Bosch ruclips.net/video/SQhtwUMdoxc/видео.html
Rosario Suárez ruclips.net/video/611ewQH_2HA/видео.html
Lorna Feijoó ruclips.net/video/hkxevxVjIlU/видео.html
Alihaydée Carreño ruclips.net/video/arZmUlYplzE/видео.html
Viengsay Valdés ruclips.net/video/0Xs3GiCwBMk/видео.html
Bárbara Gracía ruclips.net/video/pwSY3Lnm0to/видео.html
I think her bone structure was a disservice to her and made it difficult for her to become as strong as needed to pull off Swan Lake. The strength and endurance is unimaginable. You can kinda tell with her bulky muscles it could be pulling her in a wrong direction and working against her movement. I think her upper body and head lines are beautiful in more contemporary styles but this hardcore classical stuff is just so so difficult if you don’t have the proper strength it’s nearly impossible.
Why didn’t you post a title with the name or word you actually wanted to use instead of lazy?
Bet the person on the channel is probably just sitting on the couch eating ships 😅
Responding to TB. Of course, any company wants its Odile to perform the solo well. But every company has to make artistic compromises at times, especially if money is involved. Copeland sells tickets, mostly to people who have little idea of technical standards. In the past, I remember a lot of criticism of a certain ABT dancer who everyone thought was hired and promoted because their parents donated a hunk of money to the company. Ballet is both an art and a business. It would be nice if art always won but it is not realistic.
Except that ballet is not a business because there is no profit.
Who was it, if I may ask?
@@philipkuttner7945 I don’t want to say because I have no way of knowing whether it was catty gossip or truth. However, I remember my ballet teacher grumbling that she was hired even though she couldn’t do a double pirouette. Anyway, it was decades ago.
She’s not lazy 🤷♂️ she just can’t do principle level difficulty
I love me some missy BUT I know a handful of black ballerinas that can do that variation with the 32 turns
I feel like they used her as a mainstream marketing gimmick rather then staying true to classic ballet 🤷♂️
Of course she is marketing gimmick but not for dance. Rather it was for social engineering purposes.
Courtney Lavine is a gorgeous dancer and truly deserved to be given soloist status and then Principal. ABT stole her from NYCB (who was grooming her for their company), then just sat on her from 2010 and on. She languishes in the Corps.
However ABT has done this to a lot of talented dancers over the years. They seem only to favor the dancers that have Board mentors.
she’s absolutely not lazy and deserved her spot she just isn’t as technically good as other principal dancers there are ways to critique constructively without being so brutal and quite frankly DISRESPECTFUL
I don't think she's lazy...but from the clips of her I've seen scattered here and there she's not as physically strong, at least that's just what it looks like anyway
mah boi herman saved it. hands down.
Gillian is the best here. The stamina, artistry, just phenomenal.
Yeah, her arms and feet are really pro level. (sarcasm)
I think it's because you don't understand line. Gillian's placement is a like a student in need of correction. Misty, superb placement.
@@jerrydouglas4583 Stop lavishing Mrs Fakerina just because she is black! Gillian dances WAY better than La Copeland.
@@lapaula_fj_ Yikes. You obviously have absolutely no idea what Ballet is at all. That being said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Enjoy trying to understand what Ballet is! It’s a fun journey.
@@jerrydouglas4583 Okay... I've seen way better dancers than this woman thanks to good old Internet. And many up-and-coming dancers, too. This woman doesn't even hold a candle to a 14-year-old student at Vaganova.
I’m sorry WHAT those were not LAZY who do you think you are she is alowed to be off her leg for ONE show
She was NEVER on one leg for more than 12 fouettes. This one was always falling off pointe then sticking in pique turns as a poor substitute.
It’s a shame the choreographer didn’t give her something more artistically exciting to do in that segment. A real opportunity for creativity and innovation, missed out on.
innovation you can search for that on modern dancing (it is why called modern) CLassic is CLASSIC there's no such space for innovation, don't blame the coreographer, that coreography is what you must do as prima ballerina, if your arent able to do it, then you qualify for the role period.
Affirmative Action Ballerina!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A couple years back, I met Misty Copeland and saw her rehearse Giselle with Herman Cornejo it brought me to tears and I couldn’t pull my eyes away. I just clicked on this video because I was curious. Misty is absolutely not lazy. She is the most gorgeous dancer I have ever watched and I can understand all of the difficulties that she had to go through where she is today to a certain degree because I am a dancer going through struggles with the dance world accepting me because of my epilepsy but if you want to talk crap about Misty, how about you trying to do 32 fouttees en pointe before criticizing her!
So true. Her style is different and that’s what makes her art unique as most art is. Instead, it far better to stand back and appreciate that Misty put so much time, effort, blood, sweat, and tears into how she dances - if it isn’t a personal preference of aesthetic for one, it will be for another. Art is subjective after all. I would hardly call a woman with a physique like that who is able to dance on her toes for hours at a time lazy. What I would call unfair cruel criticism of Misty’s dancing is more like petty jealousy.
My ballet teacher is 69 she never stopping criticize us,this is the only way to dance better
Mary Nazario Last year my ballet teacher had her 50th anniversary of teaching. She’s the best teacher I’ve ever had. She’s even been in various companies and has studied under Bob Fosse. I think wisdom comes with age.
Laura Streeter What do you mean by “do her job for her” and None because that was a makeawish to see her in a private rehearsal
Laura Streeter Have you ever danced ballet?
Misty Copeland is a good dancer. She's very flexible and physical and she's got very good form. I think we see in our eyes a lot of these Russian prima ballerinas they're just so top-of-the-line we can't keep up with them. there's all different calibers of ballet dancers and they all have their own style.
Gillain Murphy is a domestic American ballerina and she can do 32 fouettes in her sleep. It’s not about us having unrealistically high standards, paying audience members are entitled to seeing a proper performance, that is 32 clean fouettes done in the 32 counts as required by the choreography.
She is good. But Odette/Odile calls for great & there are a minimum of "job requirements" for this part.
the Russian method is the best so American dancers only clean Russian / European feet
@@beatricegandolfo5719 aren't you a charmer 🤣
I like how Misty put her own spin on the Black Swan and Coda. But calling her lazy is just about the rudest thing possible! Every ballerina works their butt off to give the best possible performance. While there is some things Misty could improve upon, that doesn't mean she's a bad dancer nor is she not a hard worker. Every ballerina, even the best of them, have something to improve upon regardless of how long they've been dancing for. The very first performance I ever saw Misty dance in was Romeo and Juliet. Misty did an absolutely amazing job as Juliet in that production! Some of the things she can do are things I can only dream of!
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Why so many people comment for money?😢
she's not lazy, simply bad
bad? she’s neither bad nor lazy, as if you could ever do what she does. anyways, fuck off dweeb
I disagree-- she's great. The dance simply did not suit her
...but she's bringing DEI to ballet...so who cares if she lands like a bag of sand?
I can see only power no elegance from her dance
She a great dancer, but definitely not the best, as should a principal be. A principal should represent the pinnacle of technique and artistry. Misty is just not there yet. ABT used her for media coverage and it worked. Though I wonder how other principals feel. They probably can’t say anything afraid of being accused of “not celebrating black representation” or a racist.
Could not have said it better honestly 👍
And now she's in her 40s, so not likely to get there.
First off, stop calling her lazy because she isn't. Second this is not about race or anything but Misty is a great dancer overall. This may have not been her best work but calling her lazy and being disrespectful towards her isn't right. Just because you think someone else did better than her doesn't mean you need to belittle Misty or anyone else for that matter. I think she has her great moments and her bad moments like any other person or dancer. I'm part of the dance community and sometimes we make mistakes but that doesn't mean that we're lazy and something's wrong with us, I'm just saying that lazy isn't the right word and they obviously chose her for the role for a reason.
It was not a single mistake, she's never done 32 fouettes on stage. She should not be dancing this role. SkyBlueSkin didn't call her lazy btw, she said the variation was lazy, I grant you it's not the right choice of words. She is trying, she cannot do them. But Misty simply shouldn't do ballets where she cannot do the steps. There are ballets in which she is absolutely great, but there are those where she cannot do the steps, yet she gets more opportunities to do them than other principals in ABT. Google for Misty and fouettes. She's never done 32 fouettes in any ballet. Try to find a single video where she does 32 fouettes. Nothing to do with color, there are many black dancers who do them perfectly, all of them, really except for Misty.
Misty is a AMAZING DANCER who probably in retrospect should of said “This is great opportunity thank you but i am not strong enough consistently in my turns for this role,” she shouldn’t be called a bad dancer, just a dancer who took a bigger bite than she could chew. A easy mistake we have all made in dance or outside of dance. The BLAME should be on the company for letting her continue, she’s fulfilling a job. They should of removed her from the role and waited till a better suited role came around for her if they really wanted to work with her. She’s amazing at her attitude poses, her leaps and ability to raise her legs with ease are stunning. She’s not a turn person and that’s okay.
I still love her in the role; her energy is beautiful!
Gillian Murphy and Angel Corella for the win!!!
I believe we are just working with different skill levels
I can’t claim to know anything about ballet and they all looked pretty amazing to me. The one thing that I particularly liked about Misty Copeland’s version over the others was the fluid movement of her raised leg as it wrapped back into the turn - there’s probably a technical term for it! The others all seemed to kick out that leg (one even looked like a parody of the Russian dance kick, it was so pronounced)
Misty is doing a very exagerated rond from front to side during her fouttes which is imo is part of the reason why she doesn't have stability in her turns and they look juvenille. Ideally you should hit the position with your gesturing leg out to the side and your standing knee bent very quickly and snap back into the passe position. I know in russian technique at least they try to minimize the time the leg is out to the front.
To elaborate, if you play Misty's turns at 0.25 speed, you'll see that she extends her leg down facing the front left corner and spends about 3/4 of her turn winding her leg and only 1/4 in passe position. If you look at Irina's turns for example, you'll see that she extends her leg facing straight forward and it's back in passe position before she turns fully to the right side so she spends 1/4 of the turn with her leg out and 3/4 with her leg in passe position giving her turns a really nice stable snappy quality.
Gillian and her magical fouettes. ✨
girl- the fact that misty is in ABT,l
did anyone else not like susan jaffe’s fouettés? her leg wasn’t even at 90° at the end and if anyone looked lazy, it was her