Stronghold was the set I started playing magic with, after my buddy got me hooked the first pack I had bought with my weekly allowance contained my queen... I’ve served her faithfully ever since. No regrets!!!!
This was super interesting. I love slivers and love to see where the idea came from. The fracturing of a god idea is interesting, but in my opinion the evolution of slivers to their habitat makes them more versatile that a single being that was split into parts. What I mean by that is that you can add new mechanics more easily to insects that a single god being and maintain the flavor of the slivers.
Oh, my god. My girlfriend loved slivers even before this video. When I tell her about the amazing lore you deliver, she will go nuts! Seriously, man, your old school Magic videos are the best!!
I loved Slivers when I ran into them during the Rath cycle. Amazing twist on Plague rats. Used to play a blue black deck revolving around Plague rats and doppelgängers/clones to ramp their characteristics.
They could always do a set with the Astral Door being a secret history that some nefarious character is trying to reopen again by reforging and corrupting the god who destroyed it by gathering all of his "slivers" and maybe using Phyrexian oil to corrupt and control him. Could be interesting. Cool history lesson, Mike. Edit: I like the original lore. Makes sense why we call them "slivers."
I like the Sliver God story arc. With a rework of the story, and Teferi's ability to time and universe travel, it would be possible to introduce/include the concept, maybe even having the God-source being a known entity, such as Nicol Bolas, and including a story arc where after enough knowledge and abilities, he could be reconstituted.
My friend introduced me to the game with a Mirrodinn deck and the. Let me play with and against his "unbeatable" slivers deck. I was so happy when a few years later I finally beat it with an amonket zombies deck
Totally agree with you on this. I've always wanted a Sliver plainswalker, making them a God concept works too. Finding someway to reunite them back into God form would be awesome.
This was awesome thanks purp. And thank you Sliverakul!!! For the whole mutation thing I wouldn't see it as that persay I see it as more that was just a small fraction of the heros power and the more sliver you have on board the closer you are to the godly being. Which is why once you let the sliver get that far you are screwed unless you figure out a way to board wipe
They are at least somewhat based on them - look at muscle sliver. Then, in M14 they make a joke out of it because the slivers in M14/M15 were based on Predators, which are part of the same fictional universe as the Xenomorphs. :-D
I'm digging your lore videos man, good job. Although it may not exist- do a lore video about "Infernal Spawn of Evil", the BEST beast in the game. A scarf wearing rat wielding a cup of cocoa is hard to beat.
The god shards is very appealing.. and should come with an option like getting "Spirit of the night" out of "Breathtaker" and "Feral Shadow" with "Urborg Panther."
The concept of a God like being being splited with one huge part being the brain and the rest just "workers" was used again in the Eldrazi Titans and their respective brood.
Her cost to birth a sliver was changed to 2 because of an artefact that taught her how to love, "Heartstone". It made it so that the Queen can instantly create infinite slivers with only 1 mana. You do need gemhide and a haste sliver, but 4 cards to create infinite slivers isn't bad at all!
First deck I ever had had 4 plague rats. I now play a sliver commander deck with sliver overlord as the commander and sliver queen and hive lord in the deck. I played last month against 2 other sliver decks. That was a fun game!
Even more interesting idea about the Slivers, if they were still part of a God. What if the slivers where trying to get back together, and not only would that be an issue with these little monsters getting bigger and bigger, but maybe the push for them to finally join together could fuck up the planes, hence why they need to be separated, and maybe in some cases, tamed.
I feel that “The First Sliver” is a homage to this. Also WoTC article published in 2004 omits any official story. Which makes me feel that the Astral Ways set is the “unofficial” lore of there creation.
Reminds me of a race from Jack Chalker's "Well World", the Lamotien. Lamotien are little lumpy creatures that aren't all that smart or useful individually, but they can merge together in any number and mimic any other creature. They combine together to make up the mass of the creature they want to mimic, then shape-change the combined mass to take on the appearance and attributes of the mimicked creature. They also get smarter when combined, so they'd gather together to solve problems that required more intelligence.
The starting premise of slivers is similar to the shardmind origin story in D&D. They are shards of a god that guarded or kept a door closed somehow, and it shattered. Now that I think about it, that premise is also in 40k's c'tan and Kaela Mensha Kaine: both shattered deity level beings of sorts.
I definitely liked the original lore better. It'd be nice if WotC did a story like that to bring in a new big bad. Most of the old baddies are too damn tired. The only "Epic" they inspire is "Epically Bored" 😄
Honestly I feel with enough time and development a concept that lays on both original ideas would be great I mean the species can just be one made from the currupt remains of a god forever curse with existence but can never truly be whole. And the adaptations that promote there survival as a species further deviates from the original being that even if it ever become whole it will always be a husk of it's former self and a constant reminder of what happens to those who take cosmic law into there own hands
I vote marry the two. No reason that god being couldn't have been insectile, since it was called "The Controller". Actually I vote for even a hybrid god, insectile but still with an endoskeleton as well. And the Sliver queen is literally his spine and brain sheared away and in control as the largest part of him still intact. And the slivers it produces? Shards that break off as a result of the maimed form attempting to heal.
I dont see why the original concept couldn't be some how incorporated into the current lore. Maybe a soft ret-con? Back in 98-99 I made a turn 3 tournament legal 1.5 deck, but the cards got stolen. Slivers were my favourite. Wish I had bought the Sliver Queen when she was at $90 CDN. Ordered a NM copy from F2F for $350. Lessons we learned.
We still don’t know what plane they were taken from and their true origin in that sense. So they could always open it up to them being this fragmented god being that split into the Slivers
I think the god concept could still work even with slivers being insects. The god being has just only been able to reforge back to that point, and at least until now can evolve no further. The queen, overlord, legion and all the other legendary slivers could be the evolution moving forward back to the reforming of the god, but the damage is still far to severe to fix yet
Nice video, i love slivers so i built an edh deck off The First Sliver... anyways, need to point out that Sliver Queen was not the first multicolor card, Legends came before Tempest and Stronghold and there was Angus McKenzie and other multicolor legends.
Cool story but Legends were around well before Sliver Queen... I know it was ancient history but I remember cracking many packs of Legends when I first started playing.
If the slivers are the ultimate evolutionary force, born from a god, and able to inhabit incorporeal, magical planes… could they not be one of the most powerful forces in all of the Magic universe? Could they not, in theory, reach a critical mass able to defeat gods and beings such as the eldrazi?
I've been curious about Rona, disciple of Gix because it seems like there's no lore for Rona herself but a lot on the Brotherhood of Gix. Would it be possible to see a vid on Rona and the Brotherhood?
Yust to fix confusion, The first multicolored cards were in Legends. Not the sliver Queen. But it was the fist who had all 5 colours. BY the way, tre, the story is nice and fitting.
Clayton Carrollq Yeah, he say “the first 5 colours card”, but he say also “first golden card” which is not correct, legends featured the first multicoloured cards, including 3 colours cards such as the 5 original elder dragons
@@claytoncarrollq5695 well, from the Backdoor jes. I didnt try to say hes wrong or made a poor job, if so, this would be an incredible nitpick and pretty embarissing. No i yust tryed to increase the understanding in case someone got it wrong. My thoughts about the video are pretty posetive.
To be fair, the slivers were found on an unknown plane and their backstory wasn't looked at from there. So one could pretend like they actually are fragments of a god without messing with the lore
loved this video! Keep em comming. also was wondering if you could tell me if its true that the artwork for the first sliver was originally intended as the judge promo version of sliver queen before they closed that reserve list loophole
I can't confirm that is the case however Modern Horizons was loaded with slush art so there is a good chance that artwork could originally have been meant for a sliver queen reprint
Still waiting for 3 colored slivers...as for the lore i always conceptualized like the starcraft Zerg, tyranids from Warhammer, or the aliens that appear in edge of tommorrow. In spanish they're called "fragmentados" meanig litteraly fragments, and as parts of a whole being it Will be cool to know their plane of Origin.
I think the idea of the Fragmented God is crazy interesting, but in reality doesn't it dwarf Nichol Bolas, God Eternals, and PlanesWalkers immensely ? PlanesWalkers in general are absurdly powerful by a common humans standards. Then comparing PWs to this said 'being' that has single cards that rival Bolas, Ugin, Sorin, ect.... Makes the multiverse convoluted. There's infinite Universes, and infinite abilities, and by the way one Universe has a God that was killed somehow (?????) and one of his/her thousands of parts could kill Bolas, who enslaved other God Eternals easily, but this guy could kill him without thinking with a just one Sliver.... It's just convoluted, but it could be amazing flavor. If WotC wanted OP OP flavor.
Even if they had the same exact effects I still hate the god-being fragment idea. It's a different feel. Slivers are an unstoppable (but in the lore, very stoppable, apparently), force of nature that mutates and adapts to their environment like the zerg or tyranids. I don't want to go on an adventure to find the fragments of some dude.
Sliver VS. Borg. who wins? Slivers evolve randomly and spread the adaptation through the hive. The Borg steals adaptations from others and adds it to the collective. What if The Borg assimilated the Slivers?
I've ALWAYS wanted a Sliver lore.
PS: That bit of history is very wicked.
Stronghold was the set I started playing magic with, after my buddy got me hooked the first pack I had bought with my weekly allowance contained my queen... I’ve served her faithfully ever since. No regrets!!!!
I only bought a few Stronghold packs back then and cracked a Queen. She's beat up, but I still have her.
I wanted a queen so bad when I was a kid...
Still do
This was super interesting. I love slivers and love to see where the idea came from. The fracturing of a god idea is interesting, but in my opinion the evolution of slivers to their habitat makes them more versatile that a single being that was split into parts. What I mean by that is that you can add new mechanics more easily to insects that a single god being and maintain the flavor of the slivers.
Oh, my god. My girlfriend loved slivers even before this video. When I tell her about the amazing lore you deliver, she will go nuts!
Seriously, man, your old school Magic videos are the best!!
scarecrow origins, how they became sentient next lore vid?
one day my man
I loved Slivers when I ran into them during the Rath cycle. Amazing twist on Plague rats. Used to play a blue black deck revolving around Plague rats and doppelgängers/clones to ramp their characteristics.
They could always do a set with the Astral Door being a secret history that some nefarious character is trying to reopen again by reforging and corrupting the god who destroyed it by gathering all of his "slivers" and maybe using Phyrexian oil to corrupt and control him. Could be interesting. Cool history lesson, Mike.
Edit: I like the original lore. Makes sense why we call them "slivers."
I like the Sliver God story arc. With a rework of the story, and Teferi's ability to time and universe travel, it would be possible to introduce/include the concept, maybe even having the God-source being a known entity, such as Nicol Bolas, and including a story arc where after enough knowledge and abilities, he could be reconstituted.
My friend introduced me to the game with a Mirrodinn deck and the. Let me play with and against his "unbeatable" slivers deck. I was so happy when a few years later I finally beat it with an amonket zombies deck
Totally agree with you on this. I've always wanted a Sliver plainswalker, making them a God concept works too. Finding someway to reunite them back into God form would be awesome.
Slivers are the best tribal ever
Did you bribe him to make this video?
13:24
@@andrewgolubiewski3463 no but I did do the mother of all superchats good luck beating it Andrew.
I'm for money to Mike.
This was awesome thanks purp. And thank you Sliverakul!!! For the whole mutation thing I wouldn't see it as that persay I see it as more that was just a small fraction of the heros power and the more sliver you have on board the closer you are to the godly being. Which is why once you let the sliver get that far you are screwed unless you figure out a way to board wipe
Anyine else get the notion that slivers are an inspiration from the movie aliens? They are just like the zenomorphs
A cross between xenomorphs and the creatures from Tremors.
They are at least somewhat based on them - look at muscle sliver. Then, in M14 they make a joke out of it because the slivers in M14/M15 were based on Predators, which are part of the same fictional universe as the Xenomorphs. :-D
Aaaaaaaaaaand this is exactly why i spent 7 years of my youth perfecting my 1st gen sliver deck 😂. They are the awesome
4 crystalin slivers
3 sliver Queen
3 alluren
3 recycle
3 acidic sliver
3 vectil sliver
2 hydernation sliver
2wing sliver
4 muscle sliver
3ashnods alter
3heartstone
2 congragate
2 propaganda
4bop
4lotus petals
2gias blessing
1 scroll rack
1 call of the wild
1 volraths stronghold
1 karakas
All. Duel lands.
Fast as fuuuuuuuuck infinite creatures damage life
Actually the creatures from the movie Pitch Black reminded me of slivers,so I fell in love w/ them immediately.
I'm digging your lore videos man, good job. Although it may not exist- do a lore video about "Infernal Spawn of Evil", the BEST beast in the game. A scarf wearing rat wielding a cup of cocoa is hard to beat.
The god shards is very appealing.. and should come with an option like getting "Spirit of the night" out of "Breathtaker" and "Feral Shadow" with "Urborg Panther."
The concept of a God like being being splited with one huge part being the brain and the rest just "workers" was used again in the Eldrazi Titans and their respective brood.
Her cost to birth a sliver was changed to 2 because of an artefact that taught her how to love, "Heartstone". It made it so that the Queen can instantly create infinite slivers with only 1 mana. You do need gemhide and a haste sliver, but 4 cards to create infinite slivers isn't bad at all!
I run a 5 color sliver deck and this origin was awesome adds to their appeal.
First deck I ever had had 4 plague rats. I now play a sliver commander deck with sliver overlord as the commander and sliver queen and hive lord in the deck. I played last month against 2 other sliver decks. That was a fun game!
Even more interesting idea about the Slivers, if they were still part of a God. What if the slivers where trying to get back together, and not only would that be an issue with these little monsters getting bigger and bigger, but maybe the push for them to finally join together could fuck up the planes, hence why they need to be separated, and maybe in some cases, tamed.
Love the lore vids man you do a phenomenal job and keep it Super interesting!! Thanks dude
Mike I love the lore videos man keep up the amazing work..... Is there any chance you could do myr at some point.
Totally possible
6:30 Wait, in old time magic weren’t planeswalker demi-gods? In the lore, of course, the players, not the cards type that didn’t existe at the time
Yeah originally planeswalkers were godlike my man
I feel that “The First Sliver” is a homage to this. Also WoTC article published in 2004 omits any official story. Which makes me feel that the Astral Ways set is the “unofficial” lore of there creation.
Reminds me of a race from Jack Chalker's "Well World", the Lamotien. Lamotien are little lumpy creatures that aren't all that smart or useful individually, but they can merge together in any number and mimic any other creature. They combine together to make up the mass of the creature they want to mimic, then shape-change the combined mass to take on the appearance and attributes of the mimicked creature. They also get smarter when combined, so they'd gather together to solve problems that required more intelligence.
As usual a great video and 18k subs congrats
Thanks my man
I always loved slivers. I don't play the often because of the reputation of them makes everyone at the table target you. Great fan lore vid.
My mom pulled 5 of those queens when Stronghold was out.
The starting premise of slivers is similar to the shardmind origin story in D&D. They are shards of a god that guarded or kept a door closed somehow, and it shattered. Now that I think about it, that premise is also in 40k's c'tan and Kaela Mensha Kaine: both shattered deity level beings of sorts.
I definitely liked the original lore better. It'd be nice if WotC did a story like that to bring in a new big bad. Most of the old baddies are too damn tired. The only "Epic" they inspire is "Epically Bored" 😄
It's very cool knowing the origins of slivers. This also makes a lot of sense as to why they are called slivers. Cool video, bro.
i really like the idea of a freagmented god, sound real nice
Wow, a very cool story! Thanks your royal purpness.
THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT GOT ME IN TO YOUR CONTENT
That is super badass! I never knew ANY of this and it would be cool to find other slivers in the multiverse ^_^!
I WOULD LOVE IF THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT EXPLODING GOD CONCEPT
Whoa. A thousand slivers. I wish ppl still wrote fantasy like this :D.
sweet sliver lore video!
I want a legendary Minotaur Goat Sliver.
Honestly I feel with enough time and development a concept that lays on both original ideas would be great I mean the species can just be one made from the currupt remains of a god forever curse with existence but can never truly be whole. And the adaptations that promote there survival as a species further deviates from the original being that even if it ever become whole it will always be a husk of it's former self and a constant reminder of what happens to those who take cosmic law into there own hands
I vote marry the two. No reason that god being couldn't have been insectile, since it was called "The Controller". Actually I vote for even a hybrid god, insectile but still with an endoskeleton as well. And the Sliver queen is literally his spine and brain sheared away and in control as the largest part of him still intact. And the slivers it produces? Shards that break off as a result of the maimed form attempting to heal.
Thank you for making this video I have been collecting slivers like a good degenerate from the begining. I had no idea about the original design.
To be honest I always loved Slivers in MTG this video only increases my love for them.
I dont see why the original concept couldn't be some how incorporated into the current lore. Maybe a soft ret-con?
Back in 98-99 I made a turn 3 tournament legal 1.5 deck, but the cards got stolen. Slivers were my favourite.
Wish I had bought the Sliver Queen when she was at $90 CDN. Ordered a NM copy from F2F for $350. Lessons we learned.
I think they need to come up with a variety of new sliver cards, I think modern horizons didn't make enough sliver cards
We still don’t know what plane they were taken from and their true origin in that sense.
So they could always open it up to them being this fragmented god being that split into the Slivers
finally someone who goes into details on slivers and their orgins 😍 insta subscribe
I think the god concept could still work even with slivers being insects. The god being has just only been able to reforge back to that point, and at least until now can evolve no further. The queen, overlord, legion and all the other legendary slivers could be the evolution moving forward back to the reforming of the god, but the damage is still far to severe to fix yet
I miss these old style Slivers. The new single sided slivers aren't my slivers, hehe
Nice video, i love slivers so i built an edh deck off The First Sliver... anyways, need to point out that Sliver Queen was not the first multicolor card, Legends came before Tempest and Stronghold and there was Angus McKenzie and other multicolor legends.
i believe by multi colored he meant the first WURGB creature. first 5 color creature in the game
@@andykapsar4667 well, yes, as for being a 5 color card maybe you're right
so could the slivers go to become one just be them like bringing the controller back together after he shattered breaking the gate????
Slivers wooo
Cool story but Legends were around well before Sliver Queen... I know it was ancient history but I remember cracking many packs of Legends when I first started playing.
A god. Fragmented into slivers of itself. I like it.
I think they should make a Sliver Planeswalker and a Sliver God
Its crazy even with all sets that came out after strong hold sliver queen still Strong enough to be playable an strong.
If the slivers are the ultimate evolutionary force, born from a god, and able to inhabit incorporeal, magical planes… could they not be one of the most powerful forces in all of the Magic universe? Could they not, in theory, reach a critical mass able to defeat gods and beings such as the eldrazi?
I've been curious about Rona, disciple of Gix because it seems like there's no lore for Rona herself but a lot on the Brotherhood of Gix. Would it be possible to see a vid on Rona and the Brotherhood?
Wow, that’s a way cooler origin story
Yust to fix confusion, The first multicolored cards were in Legends. Not the sliver Queen. But it was the fist who had all 5 colours.
BY the way, tre, the story is nice and fitting.
Tobias Pause he said that in the video, pay attention yust Incase you didn’t notice
Tobias Pause I was about to say the same thing, including the introduction, of course, of legendary cards
Clayton Carrollq Yeah, he say “the first 5 colours card”, but he say also “first golden card” which is not correct, legends featured the first multicoloured cards, including 3 colours cards such as the 5 original elder dragons
@@claytoncarrollq5695 well, from the Backdoor jes. I didnt try to say hes wrong or made a poor job, if so, this would be an incredible nitpick and pretty embarissing. No i yust tryed to increase the understanding in case someone got it wrong. My thoughts about the video are pretty posetive.
Wow I didn’t know anything about that and I’m for the hive.
To be fair, the slivers were found on an unknown plane and their backstory wasn't looked at from there. So one could pretend like they actually are fragments of a god without messing with the lore
loved this video! Keep em comming. also was wondering if you could tell me if its true that the artwork for the first sliver was originally intended as the judge promo version of sliver queen before they closed that reserve list loophole
I can't confirm that is the case however Modern Horizons was loaded with slush art so there is a good chance that artwork could originally have been meant for a sliver queen reprint
That sliver origin is enough to sustain a card game all by itself.
At this point Slivers are our only hope versus Norn. I said what I said 🤣
Can’t wait for Plump Sliver
I am the plump sliver
Still waiting for 3 colored slivers...as for the lore i always conceptualized like the starcraft Zerg, tyranids from Warhammer, or the aliens that appear in edge of tommorrow. In spanish they're called "fragmentados" meanig litteraly fragments, and as parts of a whole being it Will be cool to know their plane of Origin.
I think the idea of the Fragmented God is crazy interesting, but in reality doesn't it dwarf Nichol Bolas, God Eternals, and PlanesWalkers immensely ? PlanesWalkers in general are absurdly powerful by a common humans standards. Then comparing PWs to this said 'being' that has single cards that rival Bolas, Ugin, Sorin, ect.... Makes the multiverse convoluted. There's infinite Universes, and infinite abilities, and by the way one Universe has a God that was killed somehow (?????) and one of his/her thousands of parts could kill Bolas, who enslaved other God Eternals easily, but this guy could kill him without thinking with a just one Sliver.... It's just convoluted, but it could be amazing flavor. If WotC wanted OP OP flavor.
Great stuff 👍
Makes me wonder if The First Sliver from Modern Horizons would become the Sliver Queen on Rath.
Thanks man.
I like him
Even if they had the same exact effects I still hate the god-being fragment idea. It's a different feel. Slivers are an unstoppable (but in the lore, very stoppable, apparently), force of nature that mutates and adapts to their environment like the zerg or tyranids. I don't want to go on an adventure to find the fragments of some dude.
I love slivers
Love your lore videos.
Sliver VS. Borg. who wins? Slivers evolve randomly and spread the adaptation through the hive. The Borg steals adaptations from others and adds it to the collective.
What if The Borg assimilated the Slivers?
😄 Slorg? 😂
I LOVE YOUR LORE VIDS!
I like your hair better this way tbh
Definitely prefer the original concept... I think chunks of a destroyed god are MUCH more interesting than a bunch of bugs.
Dame bro, 18k niiice
I think they Sould have printed the set as the person created it
Anyone else notice his chair in the background
Who was the game designer
What are thw chances of Slivers appearing on Eldraine? Rowan wouldn't know what hit her!
0% chance
What if it was a bug-like god? Boom! Both sides win!
A maaa ZING!
Heeeelllll yeah!!!
Slivers
Accidentally disliked..reliked and COMMENTING to boost those numbers baby!!!
Wait a damn minutes...Zerg are Slivers?!
F*YEAAA
Bump
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God slivers are way more awesome
Uh oh, Mr. E is gonna be pissed you've moved in on his niche
Silvers are borg
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