The Internet Vs Just Having Fun Playing Video Games
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The internet conversation around video games, from streamer worship to endless culture war debates about stupid shit like Eve in Stellar Blade, has made video games a lot less fun. This is why I tune out so much these days. Sometimes you have to unplug in order to remember that gaming is supposed to be fun, first and foremost.
They're fun for me, but I'm not part of a "gaming community". I just turn the console on and play fun games.
I've worked in the game industry for 24 years and I agree with essentially everything in this video. The industry has fallen victim to its own growth and popularity and now it's too heavily influenced by all the vultures just looking how to exploit it for their own gain.
Streamer culture may be the worst thing to happen to gaming in the last 15 years, and executives have a singular focus on money which is causing talent to leave in droves. Even the indie scene, which thrived not long ago, has been inundated with copycats and unoriginal games. The term indie doesn't even mean anything anymore and has become a blanket term for anything not triple A.
For long-time veteran gamers it's becoming increasingly difficult to find something actually interesting and worthwhile instead of yet another looter shooter, souls-like, base building/survival, f2p cash grab, BR, roguelike (ugh talk about lazy design), whatever flavor of the month, etc.
Also, game journalism is a joke and the vast majority of articles that aren't outright clickbait/trash filler are still written by glorified bloggers.
This is why I play older games these days, L4D2 filled with mods I have no worry about shitty games and culture war going on. Also I emulate PS2 games on PC.
The issue with Stellar Blade's censorship is that they (Shift Up) marketed it with no censorship EVERYWHERE just before release, then it was censored, because certain game journalists were offended for no reason. They just really wanted to find something to be offended about, because of their agenda. This "controversy" wouldn't exist otherwise. Just pointing that out. If people don't try to fight this however they can, where will this end? They (guess who) want that people just shut the f up, consume whatever bs they want you to and don't complain about anything. I still liked this video for your overall sentiment and I get that.
Ohhh no the grifter who yells stop having fun you literally have suits revealing way more then the so called censorship you are just yapping what grumz and his braindead followers say they don't even play the game.
Yeah I get that. I really do. I just also get annoyed when I try to talk about how fun the game is and all the replies are just people hollering about censorship ya know?
@@ErikKain Yeah, I know. It can be tiresome.
My issue with games is the over sexualization of female protagonist
While males are fully clad in armour females are dressed in skin tight wet suits that leave little to the imagination. Which is kinda sad, pathetic and gives the industry a bad look. The game probably plays great and is a lot of fun, it just doesn't need the big boobs and partial body paint unless that's how everyone dresses on that planet/world/reality. Just my opinion though
@@kilin81 There is no such thing as "over sexualization," cause it is quite the opposite in recent years... Men stays attractive, but women are uglified and defeminazed, if you will... Especially when directly compared to their face models. If and when they have one... You can fact check me on everything I wrote. That's not my opinion, that's a fact. You can disagree, but at least see for yourself. In games most people actually don't want to see themselves, with all of their flaws, but an idolized version of themselves or someone they can find attractive (male or female) and can aspire to. Edit: There's also the fact that Eve was modeled after a real Korean model, btw.
You hit the nail on the head. This is getting bad because it's all about the Benjamins. That ultimately destroys anything. Always.
I’m not much of a gamer anymore, the newest game I’ve played was finally getting The Witcher III last year, which was excellent, but this Stellar Blade saga is fascinating to me.
As you say, it’s a Meta-argument, but it’s a Meta-argument going back 10 years and it has gotten incredibly heated, including threats.
Why? Well, I was a finance major and do a bit of investing and there’s something called a short squeeze. When you look at graphs of when that sort of thing happens, it goes vertical.
That’s how I view this, a short squeeze graph for something trivial but instead of stock price it’s 2 sides going “well why do YOU care so much” at each other on loop.
The reason why they care is if the censored version is kept, those in generally elite cultural spaces get to be comfortable their power remains. If Sony caves, then that means the Rabble how usurped the throne of who gets to dictate culture, inverting the 2014 cultural inversion.
And when I say 2014, I don’t mean just GG, all culture began to be inverted in 2014, but that’s a story for another day.
I got no skin in the game, but as an onlooker curious about which way the wind blows in terms of culture, I’m very interested in the endgame of this feud.
Will the post-2014 inversion continue? Will we snap back to the less fraught times of 2012? Who knows, but it’s fascinating to watch.
Please, I simply *_must_* learn more about this _"cultural inversion,"_ as you've put it. What do you mean? Where did it start? What caused it? What has it resulted in? I'm fascinated.
I have used this same exact talking point many times while having these debates/ conversations with peers but you put it so much more eloquently than I ever could have.
"Cultural Inversion" is the exact right moniker for what happened. I personally believe it was 2012 but became more apparent in 2014-2015.
I wish we could all just meet in the middle. I believe both sides have great ideas and I miss where we used to come together. Now it's a culture war and both sides are vying for power.
I will use Stellar Blade for the example. If Sony wanted censorship to appease whoever but wanted to sell the game as uncensored, they should have just put a toggle to turn on or off. Ship with it on and allow the user to swap between the option. That would have made 99% of the people happy.
Instead we get day one patches with no way of choosing. This takes away people's freedom of choice. This instills a false perception of what is "right".
We are in a dangerous time. I don't want either side to come out on top. I want there to be cohesion. I think most people want to be centrists but are afraid of the blow back of their friends and family of they don't go all the way.
We who want to sit in the center are the majority I believe and we should be speaking up and slapping the heck out of those we love to bring them back to reality.
@@HansDester"We live in a dangerous time" Always with the scenarios...It's some lace being put over cleavage and graffiti art being mildly changed. It's hardly 1984 is it?
Like, am I crazy? Is there some bigger component I'm missing? Did they take out a chunk of the story? Or radically alter something? Or is it really just some lace over breasts and slightly changed graffiti? Is it really worth this much time and attention?
Should they have done it...I guess not? But I can't see how it changes anything aside from being a very very very mild inconvenience.
Don't get caught up in the rage bait man (I say as I'm caught up in the rage bait), it's just slop designed to make you mad and turn that into clicks for some slimeball. Covering up cleavage with some lace and slightly changing a graffiti sign is hardly a major breach of the first amendment, no?
Of all the "culture war" slop, this has to be one of the most silliest manufactured things ever.
@@batistasmith5565It's not a matter of "amendments", I don't play videogames to be politically righteous. Centrists are not always right, this is not a matter of left VS right, it's a matter of gamers VS everyone else.
I 100% wholeheartedly support (and signed) the Stellar Blade petition, even if I'm pretty far to the left, I'm by no means a centrist, much less a right winger. This is not a political war, it's the war of "polite society" VS gamers.
Also, it's interesting to see how some people have zero respect for the integrity of art (and you can also see this in the discourse about faithfulness in the adaptation Japanese products ) so much so that you called the controversy the most silly manufactured culture war slop" (when it's anything but).
While for some other people like myself the respect of the original opera is everything.
@@HansDesterI generally agree about meeting the other side in the middle and being tolerant, however, why do you fear the other side (i.e. the gamers) to get on top? That would not be the end of the world, in fact, it would be the return to the pre-2012 status quo.
It wasn't perfect but it was a far better time than it is now. There was space for everyone, no blacklists, no political kommissar journalists, everyone could do whatever they wanted.
Boomer Alert :
Indeed, remember when discovering a secret is a sense of pride and achievement? Not unlocking it with your wallet or watching videos online? It's just you, your friend and the game? Good Old Days we've taken for granted and never coming back...
Good points about how the community and internet negatively impact the experience, you could have gone even deeper though. But that would be a longer video.
Good chat. I agree, and also am tuning out more and more. I was a Twitch streamer and primarily a multiplayer gamer just a few years ago. The deluge of negativity online drove me away from streaming, although, admittedly, I was never "big time", so didn't walk away from a significant income. The unbridled toxicity and/or echo chamber qualities of basically every online community has driven me away from being connected and participating in discussions. I have swung fully back to only single player games. I enjoy the rare AAA game that doesn't suck, and doesn't try to suck my wallet dry, but I am most especially into the Indie simulators lately. At this point, I might just buy SB and give it a good review simply to buck the toxicity trend. LMAO
It's such a shame, I'm still after good debate and discussions about games, but it has become so polarized that I also now actively avoid it. You are one of the few people talking about gaming that I can still enjoy!
Appreciate that!
The Old Man and the Sea- Ernest Hemingway is a great book of in comparison your last statement
It is
I miss when playing games was just about having an experience, exploring. I lost interest in the showing off and competitive nature of everything about two years ago.
You're not crazy. It just sucks because people take the fun out of things. Continue to do you as best you can but don't get invested in the drama if all you have is man babies etc. Love the vid. Keep it up.
Bring on discord also overexposes people to gaming culture, i discarded that a while ago and it was a good choice. I'm more of an old school gamer anyway 😊
Yeah I never got into Discord really.
Outrage grifting has become so mainstay and its reach seems to be in just about every industry. But yeah, it's sad that the video game environment seems to be particularly fertile for it. It just wears me out so I usually avoid getting into the fight. I tend to just revisit my severely neglected Steam library and wait for the occasional BG3 to come along.
I relate to that severely neglected Steam library...
You lost me at "watching Asmongold" lmao
soon as he cited asmongold i was like "so the next 20 minutes is about to be worthless. got it"
@@spidaaahs yeah, I mean, Asmon finds some good videos to watch and that's about it. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. I just cringe at how people view him as such an intellectual. He's a brainrotted streamer that is arrogant, self-important, self-centered, and is delusional lmao
You're right, Stellar blade is just plain good fun. That should be the main message. I wonder if the negativity online has anything to do with the average age of gamers getting older and older people tend to have a more jaded outlook. Something I'm noticing is that a lot of people I talk to have fad more requirements to be met by a game to have fun, ranging from politics to gameplay. I know, at least for myself, when I was younger I was just happy to play a game that let me dream a little.
Agreed, im a gen x gamer and people do these day get bogged down in non actual game subjects. The amount of false drama say in the battlefield and COD games with black, female or asian characters. These created so much ire most of which was based on ignorance of these various people.
Whose contributions had been been under reported in school lessons etc but are there clear as day in the history record.
You guys watch too many videos. All of you. I kept my good sense by staying away from pretty much all of these talk-at-you video/written essays.
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I agree, the industry moved into the wrong direction. A correction is needed.
You just expressed what I’ve been thinking about recently. The outrage game has taken over most discourse and it sucks. It gets clicks and I’ve fallen for it too many times. But I think it has negatively affected me so I need to unplug a bit. At least I play DnD with people who could care less about the culture wars.
Yeah my D&D group enjoys laughing about it all but we don't take it too seriously.
Asses are important Mr. Kain. I would argue that they are fundamentally crucial to the survival of our specie. While the outrage, on both sides, are exaggerated, it was refreshing to see a company to cater to the desire of its gamers and a bummer to watch the company back peddle to appease groups who not not even play violent action games. "Make her lame and gay or put her in a burqa" seem to be the direction in which big game company lean these days.
The 'meta outrage game' between streamer and journos is just incidental. More importantly, there's the actual truth of what's happening in the gaming industry: 1) There is a monumental move in the industry to change games from being a 'product' to being a 'service'. This means that you dont own the games you buy...THEY (the publisher) do, and THEY can change THEIR game in whatever or however way They want. 2) Just like Hollywood, there's a move to make game content "for the modern audience' (this is code for all of the ESG, DEI, representation stuff). This is far and away different from the old gen's Mothers of America morality movement. DEI is not based on a moral consistency; it is an authoritarian hammer against 'wrong think' to enforce compliance to the DEI ideology. These ESG changes are backed by investment dollars that dont come from the revenue in the gaming market, so your preferences as a gamer dont matter.
Stellar Blade defied the ESG/DEI ideology by making a good game, with beautiful characters (of one ethnicity), with game community favored play mechanics. The game was the number 1 presold game on the PS store and Amazon for Sony...all before the game was censored. So you have to ask yourself, "Why?". Why would they sensor an already made and sold hit game? The Gaming community was already happy and satisfied. Why go through the trouble of committing resources to UNDO the good will? Edit: This is the debate that's happening now. Its not Meta, its REAL.
Bottom Line: you can either see/understand these larger issues, or you cant. Many of us in the gaming community can see where these issues are leading us and, if not spoken against, will actually be the things that permanently make games less fun (not from the outrage game). I'd rather have the uncomfortable conversations and debate now (and yes, sacrifice being able to just sit and enjoy a game for the time being) than to sit and let these larger issues invade the hobby and turn it into something thats not fun permanently.
Meh. Erik is making assumptions about the content creators motives that he cannot show proof of. Content creators were making money before these controversies. They would not be popular if the community didn't support the topics or the personalities. Erik's argument is the same argument the "misinformation" censorship crew uses.
I agree with you. The internet is ruining a lot of things, not just video games.
I think people are forgetting the point of these games existing, it’s supposed to be fun first and foremost, and I feel like that has largely been forgotten. So much negativity being thrown around.
At 14:30, let me point out that true leftists and the clique you originally argued against didn't start out being nasty. Their intentions were never to malign.
agrees lots of youtubers ect follow drama and its a multiplayer game , but also if people didnt watch it and didnt like drama , these would not get made
Truth!
Except not truth. Drama videos always get the least views on any topic, compared to having fun and enjoying games videos. Until the toxic journos are gone, the moral busibodies, it won't stop.
I don’t get why people aren’t more mad at Sony’s censorship policies. Not just on the sexy stuff, but on everything. They are applying censorship that the other companies, Nintendo and Microsoft, simply aren’t. It’s awful. Despite how ‘uncool’ people manage to make it, I’m never ever going to not be anti-censorship. No matter how small it is. Because, if nothing else, censorship makes things *boring*.
But I do agree about the cultural conversation being a real drag. I think I just feel like if we get past the censorship stuff, the actual attempt to close the window of what the art can be, then the conversation will open up.
Sony has really started to suck in that regard.
I would like this video a thousand times if I could.
"The outrage game" - you've succinctly nailed down the essence of the modern day culture war that I've struggled to put into my own words. It's refreshing to stumble upon someone who shares the same view that the arguments on both sides, (99% of the time), don't matter at all. Folks would find the world a much happier place if they would take a step back and stop chasing likes, clicks, upvotes, etc...but that's what makes the "outrage game" so damn addictive.
Thank you so much for the video & keep on enjoying games 🤟
Thanks!
Having fun is fine and what I do, but we just want games to be better for a lot of dumb things. 2042 was still fun but still could have been better like it is now
Making g a mountain oit if a mole hill. If you don't like streamers, don't watch.