I have Kia Ceed PHEV. It works great once you charge it all the time. It is very thirsty when the charge is gone. But if you remember to keep charging it you won't see a petrol station very often.
I've had a Golf GTE for the past 2 years which has been great, averaging over 60mpg over 55k miles driving, but I now need more space. Considering the Sportage PHEV and also the new BMW X1.
have a niro phev, the last 5000km averaged 60km per litre. Starting to see it drop now as its colder and heater is requiring engine on. But over the summer/autumn it was 95% EV mode. Easily averaged 50km on ev with 3 kids 2 adults on a mixed drive run.
How do you set it to stay in EV mode? Everytime the car turns off it switches back to automatic. You have to click it into ev everytime you get in the car?
I’ve got a optima phev And I saved a lot on gas the last year with insane gas prices. Electricity is much cheaper than gas here in Canada In addition I’m guessing this car will require less maintenance and last longer Also it’s more fun to drive when in electric mode everyone loves driving it Finally even if I only break even as compared to an ICE (which I doubt) I will have put 25% less co2 into the atmosphere and there is a cost to that! Brilliant review as always thanks Nobby
Just traded in my GT line S diesel for a K3 PHEV only had it a week averaging about 3L / 100kms (was only getting 6.5 on old car) on mixed driving some EV only some HEV depending on distance traveled. 600kms already in 6 days so far very happy apart from losing leather seats and sunroof but gained an auto and awd so can’t complain for what is the current most expensive sportage available
Hi Nobby - I would be very interested in your comments. I am looking to buy a new shape Sportage and I am going round and round in circles on which engine to get. From the reviews I have read: - the base petrol version seems to be a bit sluggish - the part hybrid doesnt seem to add the economy, what electric range does it have, the motors seem to increase performance but not the economy (+5000€ over base petrol = 20 years payback) - the PHEV seems a great balance but is very expensive (+10,000€ over base petrol = 12 years payback based on doing 66% of mileage on electric). We live in the countryside and do about 15,000 km per year but mostly made up of journeys less than 20km As you can see I have been pondering this one! Grateful for your comments.
If it’s just simple economics then the base petrol is the one with the sacrifice of some power. 10k extra is a LOT of money. Also factor in how long you’ll keep it for I suppose!
Super quick off the lights but what if you're second in the queue behind me in my 90 hp Focus diesel with three weeks to go before getting to the far side of junction? Lovely car nonetheless. Great review.
Love the channel Sir and really enjoy your videos. Trying to pick a new family car (2 toddlers) and finding it a nightmare as I don’t know much about cars. Now looking at PHEV Sportage as it’s a 2 year delivery time for the PHEV Sorento!! Ive 2 questions I was hoping you might help me with: 1. Is it the same price to fully charge at home a Phev as it is to fully charge an electric vehicle of similar spec (say a Sportage PHEV versus an Enyaq)? 2. Am I right in saying that the RAV4 PHEV is the only PHEV that goes to a hybrid engine when not using electric and is therefore most fuel efficient when not using electric mode?
Battery is a plug in hybrid is much smaller than a full EV so no, they cost a lot less to charge to full. The Rav never fully depletes the battery but neither does this car and many others.
Have you tried looking at the Octavia IV & Superb Plug-in Hybrids (known as the iV) Both of them have massive boots as standard, but are reduced down to compensate for the Hybrid Battery..
1, I think Mark said the battery is 14 KWh so to charge on an ordinary 3 pin socket will take about 6 hours. If you have a 7kw wall box about 2 hours. But probably not worth the investment for a phev.14 kwh if your paying 30 cents day rate will cost 14 x .3 so about 4 quid. If you have a cheap night rate then cheaper. So charge on lowest rate. 2. All phev's work as hybrid when not charged so regen from braking etc. No differnt to RAV4 I would imagine the big 2.5 engine in the rav 4 would effect mpg. compared to 1.6 in Kia.
@@frankgooding443 thanks Frank. Interesting you say not worth the investment. They certainly are pricey so if buying one nearly as well go buy full electric given Phev not much cheaper. I live on the continent though would feel safer in Phev given I could get caught out on long journeys with kids.
@@MrAndersie91 I have in fact as they are great options. However in Luxembourg they are no longer taking orders for Octavia and Superb IVs in Skoda garages as they say they think PHEVs will not last going by current rhetoric from EU leaders (for eg recently govt in Luxembourg said by 2030 you won’t be able to buy Diesel/Petrol for cars in the country by 2030!).
Nice review. Is it AWD? What's with the 6hr charging? I drive the Tucson PHEV and it charges to full in 2hrs - same size battery and same range. I keep it charged and really get the benefit in local drives. 80% of my daily commute on EV. Regularly drive from Navan to Mornington (~65km round trip) and just about get home without the petrol kicking in, but I'm sure that will decrease in the colder months. On long motorway drives it's definitely more than 5L/100km on petrol only, but having put 10000km on it in 3 months, my combined fuel consumption is about half what I was getting on my 1.6 diesel Karoq. AWD and lots of power a nice bonus on the rare times it's needed.
I plugged it in at home and at 6.9/7kW it said 6 hours on the dash. Perhaps I didn't give it long enough to judge the speed of the charger actually. All wheel drive.
@@NobbyOnCars I recently got the Rav4 PHEV and it's battery is slightly bigger but charges from flat to full in about 2.5hrs using a 7kw home charger but that can be slower if the house is drawing more current, it slows the EV charging to accommodate heat pumps, electric showers, clothes dryers etc. Is it possible your house demand was high when you looked at the charging speed?
It is impossible to get under 5l with depleted battery on a turbo petrol engine and a weight of 1.8t. Expect 7+ city/national or about 8 on a highway. And that on ecomode.
Don't forget to add in.. what she does in MPG !!! I've heard mixed reviews about the safety switches and that break slam on isn't filling me with confidence ! Still staying with toyota for now!
The break slam is really bad on the xc40 I drive and Volvo one would think would have it right given their safety obsession. Happens a lot when going by parked cars on a narrow street for eg.
Yeah, that price hike could certainly buy a few years worth of petrol or diesel and then you can save on cost of electricity usage too. It's too higher price to buy one of these, it's not worth it!
Why are people saying in these reviews that the "batteries are in the back"? Thats just not true. The batteries are underneath the car. You can just look beneath the car and you'll see them. And another thing: if you dont charge, or just run out of battery, you wont use up more fuel than a 'normal 1.6 gas Sportage, because the battery is never at 0%. It is kept at around 15% and the car drives in hybrid mode.
Don't buy a Kia 2 year old car and the engines scrap the dealers don't want to know Kia UK doesn't do anything still have to pay for a car I don't have. Warning don't buy a Kia.
Ordered the dark edition PHEV, cant wait to drive it❤
I have Kia Ceed PHEV. It works great once you charge it all the time. It is very thirsty when the charge is gone. But if you remember to keep charging it you won't see a petrol station very often.
I've had a Golf GTE for the past 2 years which has been great, averaging over 60mpg over 55k miles driving, but I now need more space. Considering the Sportage PHEV and also the new BMW X1.
have a niro phev, the last 5000km averaged 60km per litre. Starting to see it drop now as its colder and heater is requiring engine on. But over the summer/autumn it was 95% EV mode. Easily averaged 50km on ev with 3 kids 2 adults on a mixed drive run.
How do you set it to stay in EV mode? Everytime the car turns off it switches back to automatic. You have to click it into ev everytime you get in the car?
I’ve got a optima phev
And I saved a lot on gas the last year with insane gas prices. Electricity is much cheaper than gas here in Canada
In addition I’m guessing this car will require less maintenance and last longer
Also it’s more fun to drive when in electric mode everyone loves driving it
Finally even if I only break even as compared to an ICE (which I doubt) I will have put 25% less co2 into the atmosphere and there is a cost to that!
Brilliant review as always thanks Nobby
I mean 75% less as I’m getting 2.5l per 100km
Pretty good economy right there!
Just traded in my GT line S diesel for a K3 PHEV only had it a week averaging about 3L / 100kms (was only getting 6.5 on old car) on mixed driving some EV only some HEV depending on distance traveled. 600kms already in 6 days so far very happy apart from losing leather seats and sunroof but gained an auto and awd so can’t complain for what is the current most expensive sportage available
Hi Nobby - I would be very interested in your comments. I am looking to buy a new shape Sportage and I am going round and round in circles on which engine to get.
From the reviews I have read:
- the base petrol version seems to be a bit sluggish
- the part hybrid doesnt seem to add the economy, what electric range does it have, the motors seem to increase performance but not the economy (+5000€ over base petrol = 20 years payback)
- the PHEV seems a great balance but is very expensive (+10,000€ over base petrol = 12 years payback based on doing 66% of mileage on electric).
We live in the countryside and do about 15,000 km per year but mostly made up of journeys less than 20km
As you can see I have been pondering this one!
Grateful for your comments.
If it’s just simple economics then the base petrol is the one with the sacrifice of some power. 10k extra is a LOT of money. Also factor in how long you’ll keep it for I suppose!
Super quick off the lights but what if you're second in the queue behind me in my 90 hp Focus diesel with three weeks to go before getting to the far side of junction? Lovely car nonetheless. Great review.
I've got a Santa Fe phev and I find it surprisingly lethargic off the line for having EV capability. Proper left floundering sometimes
Love the channel Sir and really enjoy your videos. Trying to pick a new family car (2 toddlers) and finding it a nightmare as I don’t know much about cars. Now looking at PHEV Sportage as it’s a 2 year delivery time for the PHEV Sorento!!
Ive 2 questions I was hoping you might help me with:
1. Is it the same price to fully charge at home a Phev as it is to fully charge an electric vehicle of similar spec (say a Sportage PHEV versus an Enyaq)?
2. Am I right in saying that the RAV4 PHEV is the only PHEV that goes to a hybrid engine when not using electric and is therefore most fuel efficient when not using electric mode?
Battery is a plug in hybrid is much smaller than a full EV so no, they cost a lot less to charge to full.
The Rav never fully depletes the battery but neither does this car and many others.
Have you tried looking at the Octavia IV & Superb Plug-in Hybrids (known as the iV)
Both of them have massive boots as standard, but are reduced down to compensate for the Hybrid Battery..
1, I think Mark said the battery is 14 KWh so to charge on an ordinary 3 pin socket will take about 6 hours. If you have a 7kw wall box about 2 hours. But probably not worth the investment for a phev.14 kwh if your paying 30 cents day rate will cost 14 x .3 so about 4 quid. If you have a cheap night rate then cheaper. So charge on lowest rate.
2. All phev's work as hybrid when not charged so regen from braking etc. No differnt to RAV4 I would imagine the big 2.5 engine in the rav 4 would effect mpg. compared to 1.6 in Kia.
@@frankgooding443 thanks Frank. Interesting you say not worth the investment. They certainly are pricey so if buying one nearly as well go buy full electric given Phev not much cheaper. I live on the continent though would feel safer in Phev given I could get caught out on long journeys with kids.
@@MrAndersie91 I have in fact as they are great options. However in Luxembourg they are no longer taking orders for Octavia and Superb IVs in Skoda garages as they say they think PHEVs will not last going by current rhetoric from EU leaders (for eg recently govt in Luxembourg said by 2030 you won’t be able to buy Diesel/Petrol for cars in the country by 2030!).
Any word on the Dacia Bigster?
Nice review. Is it AWD? What's with the 6hr charging?
I drive the Tucson PHEV and it charges to full in 2hrs - same size battery and same range. I keep it charged and really get the benefit in local drives. 80% of my daily commute on EV. Regularly drive from Navan to Mornington (~65km round trip) and just about get home without the petrol kicking in, but I'm sure that will decrease in the colder months.
On long motorway drives it's definitely more than 5L/100km on petrol only, but having put 10000km on it in 3 months, my combined fuel consumption is about half what I was getting on my 1.6 diesel Karoq.
AWD and lots of power a nice bonus on the rare times it's needed.
I plugged it in at home and at 6.9/7kW it said 6 hours on the dash. Perhaps I didn't give it long enough to judge the speed of the charger actually. All wheel drive.
@@NobbyOnCars cool enough. Love the channel and your review style. Glad the channel is doing well. Keep it up. 👍🏻
@@NobbyOnCars I recently got the Rav4 PHEV and it's battery is slightly bigger but charges from flat to full in about 2.5hrs using a 7kw home charger but that can be slower if the house is drawing more current, it slows the EV charging to accommodate heat pumps, electric showers, clothes dryers etc. Is it possible your house demand was high when you looked at the charging speed?
It is impossible to get under 5l with depleted battery on a turbo petrol engine and a weight of 1.8t. Expect 7+ city/national or about 8 on a highway. And that on ecomode.
Great review Mark.
Don't forget to add in.. what she does in MPG !!! I've heard mixed reviews about the safety switches and that break slam on isn't filling me with confidence ! Still staying with toyota for now!
The break slam is really bad on the xc40 I drive and Volvo one would think would have it right given their safety obsession. Happens a lot when going by parked cars on a narrow street for eg.
Shame they no longer sell the diesel version (at least in UK) as prob the most efficient one.
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Yeah, that price hike could certainly buy a few years worth of petrol or diesel and then you can save on cost of electricity usage too. It's too higher price to buy one of these, it's not worth it!
Why are people saying in these reviews that the "batteries are in the back"? Thats just not true. The batteries are underneath the car. You can just look beneath the car and you'll see them.
And another thing: if you dont charge, or just run out of battery, you wont use up more fuel than a 'normal 1.6 gas Sportage, because the battery is never at 0%. It is kept at around 15% and the car drives in hybrid mode.
You can’t drive in pure electric and the car weighs more. It’s not a ground up EV so the design of where to store batteries is compromised.
Great review pal
Nobby does the PHEV use the petrol engine to charge the battery when the charge depletes? i.e. it behaves like the HEV?
Yes it does .
It does. Use sports mode to charge it ton90%
what happen to the other trim like the k4 plugin? I just see k3 is the only available trim for the phev. Great review thanks for the infos
Should be still available. Unless there's an issue with supply currently!
Thanks for that.
Very nice review
How would you compare it to RAV4 phev ?
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Which UK are you from your accident is very uneck.
It's all different from US where PHEV isn't shown just have regular model of Xline.
can you get a K4 in Ireland?
Wonder what will the diesel auto do l/00km although might feel gutless
K4 yes, experience would say similar to the petrol without battery charged to be honest, maybe slightly better.
@@NobbyOnCars cheers. I know subjective but k4 for guessing an extra 3 grand?
I asked dealer about K4 spec and dealer told me no so I had to get a K3 PHEV still happy with it only had it a week tho.
Whats range on fully charge battery ?
Probably looking at 50kms realistically
So basically you can't drive on just battery right?
You can, it has a pure EV mode once you’ve charged it
@@NobbyOnCars but does not last for a little liberal 30 minutes?
I think the Skoda superb phev estate is a better deal.
skoda superb phev no longer appears to be available. Shame.
Sportage PHEV or CX60 PHEV...
Volvo very good, but enormously expensive.
Not sure how you're getting 5L per 100KM. Every other review is claiming over 7L when the battery is drained.
Maybe it’s a lucky car
Don't like the shape.. the older ones are better looking and sportier
Don't buy a Kia 2 year old car and the engines scrap the dealers don't want to know Kia UK doesn't do anything still have to pay for a car I don't have. Warning don't buy a Kia.