A buyer's guide to the Porsche 911 (997)
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024
- Have a look at why we think you should and shouldn't look for when purchasing a 997 generation Porsche 911. Here at Master Car Sales Hitchin dealership we specialise with used Porsche car sales. We have been trading since 1989 and always have a great selection of used Porsche for sale.
All very well, but you fail to mention some very important expensive "niggles" with the 997.2, which I have come across since buying my 2009 997.2 Carrera 4S.
Porsche make a big issue of always using genuine parts, but the truth is that some parts are not reliable, such as the rear light clusters, which are prone to their seals failing allowing the formation of condensation in the lights, which at £300-£400 each for a replacement is a bit of a shock, the top mounts are also prone to early failure, again OE quality is questionable, also brake discs wear very quickly with even moderate use and there are better cheaper alternatives. Also, whilst OE exhausts are good quality, the bolts used with them are not and should be replaced with stainless steel versions asap - Porsche will still fit mild steel which corrode v.quickly.
Another design fault is the positioning of the condensers for the AC, which are prone to damage from impact and collection of debris which collect moisture and allow the condensers to corrode; grilles are available at a reasonable cost , which should be immediately considered to avoid expensive repairs.
Otherwise, I have found the 911, 997.2 to be magnificent!!!
The Carrera S is not wider than the base Carrera. However, the base Carrera 4, Carrera 4S and Turbo do have the wider body. Also, the GT3 has the narrow body.
Master car - would not buy on spec... I disagree, the gen 2 has the better PCM and I would always prefer an "S" over a base model having owned Turbos, Boxster S, currently 928S4 and a gen 1 997 4S
I believe in the 997 the s is also wide.
It's not.
The 4 and 4s are about 1.76 inches wider as is the turbo. The S is the same as the standard. I owned the base model and now have the 4S which also has wider 305 tires in the back but the 19 inch rims are the same width.
I actually checked this out before buying my Carerra S it is wider than the Standard Carrera and the 4S is wider than the Carerrs S.
Carrera - 1808mm
Carerra S - 1852mm
Carerra 4S - 1952mm
I didn't buy based in width obviously. Just don't need to lug the weight of the 4S around all year for the short winter use it gives me. I thought the Carerra S was a nice middle ground.
These sizes are for the reviewed 997 Gen 2. Mine's a 2010 Cab.
The 997.1 was not "rife" with IMS problems. That's an issue with the 996, but it's extremely rare for the 997.1.
It is only rife if you have catastrophic engine failure.
early 997.1 used M96 architecture with single row small IMS B, that was rife as a cat in a chicken coop
Harry Hunt evidently there are a lot of cat proof chicken coops then
996 IMS issue is not existant if you own a Turbo
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Awesome video- great advice!
Edit: 3.5 years later I bought a 997.1 C2S. Absolutely love it! Thinking of upgrading to 997.2 or a 964.
This video has a lot of good advice, I recently bought a 991.2 Targa 4. I was just looking for a 911 4 if it be a C4, C4S, T4 or T4S. Because of the wide-body and light bar. Ended up finding a perfect 991.2 with nearly $60k Cad in options including PTS Irish green and natural leather espress.cognac interior. Buy based on options not based on trim.
The tiptronic is also good and very sporty and sensitive when you tap the pedal. It goes in the top of the line turbo too. PDK shifts much faster than a manual not at the same speed. There is a big difference between the base and S models that you notice right away. The braking system on the 4S is the same as the turbo and preloads when let go of the accelerator and the car stops quickly without applying pressing the pedal hard. I hated the base model brakes which are far inferior. The torque comes on much stronger in the S, 4S models and it feels like a big engine in the back like a v8. The base engine has to revved up higher all the time which I hate as I am used my powerful Audis.
Just stumbled upon your video today, great advice, and nicely done with practical adivce. Don't mind the video snobs, we enthusiasts appreciate your knowledge which was given freely in the video. And it's nice to hear from those who actually have experience with many vehicles. I've been on the fence over a 997.1 vs.a 997.2 and almost bought a 997.1 a few weeks ago, but intuition told me I should wait for a newer car. Glad to hear your recommendation confirming my intuition.
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A very good review with useful information. Thanks
Thank you for doing this,; i found it very helpful
the 997.2's do have bore scoring. If you go 20k between oil changes with any car you will have engine issues. change your oil once a year or every 5k and you wont have a problem. Jake Raby has a free video series about it and it makes sense. He gets into oil dillution and some of the root causes. but the main take away and easiest preventative is change your oil. Additionally on 997.1's change your fuel injectors.
What I liked was the bits where you kept saying “Like I said” then continued to say it again anyway. Lol
At last someone actually said what we have all know for years! Tiptronic is absolutely shit! 🙂
997.2 still has issues with bore scoring.
The service interval is not 2 years. My service light comes on once a year as the oil has to be changed.
The official service interval is 2 years on Gen 2, if you do a shed load of miles maybe it comes up earlier? My Carrera was serviced exactly a year ago and the light still hasn't come on, I've only done about 5k since then and it has 64k on it now, the dash still shows nov 18 for next service, maybe yours wasn't reset correctly?
2 years is still too long to wait for an oil change despite what Porsche recommends. A once a year inspections of the car during the oil change is a good idea to catch any problems early before more expensive damage occurs.
I agree oil change every year is safer
If Porsche say it’s 2 years then it’s 2 years. Pleb
paul l couldn’t agree with you more!
Mr repeat myself every 2 minutes 😂😂
So what
Thanks for your great tips. I am looking at my first 911. Am struggling between 997.2 C2S and 997.2 C4S, which one would you suggest? Thanks a lots!
If you could shed for the higher price of a 4S, I'd say go for it. Off the line acceleration is mind boggling and all round handling as well. Before you buy, check if it's had it's front differential service. My friend's 4S had to fix it and was lucky enough to have it covered under warranty at around 55,000kms. It's a ~$4,000 job. He didn't even notice that there was an issue with it!
@@crz95 Thanks for the kind advices. I will take a look at the differential service for sure. Thanks again!
Very helpful review thanks - laughed when you used the term ‘absolutely shit’ !!!
The 997.1 (gen 1 997) cars don't have a serious problem with the IMS bearing. The bore scoring is a bigger issue that the 997.2 fixed with the engine upgrades (along with adding more power). The main reason to buy a .2 is the interior, especially the PCM/nav unit, which lets the 997.1 down.
But they are about £10k more...for nav and LED lights..I don't think so.
I agree, which is why I bought a 997.1. :)
+bionictulip glad you are watching and reading . It’s all about opinions and there is no right or wrong.
In other words, it would be wrong to say there is right and wrong? :D
+bionictulip just Choice
Very helpful, but felt a bit sea sick after a while!
Good Fella yeah... camera skills of a potato
Get the flappy paddles if you can. The push button gear changes are ridiculous for a car like this and have no idea why they were invented over the normal flappy paddles.
An interesting guide but overly repetitive. The IMS issue was rife on the 996 not the 997.
Wrong, but I can’t be bothered to explain fully. Basically around 10% failures of which 8% have been fixed resulting in around 0.002% failure rate which are basically the ultra low mileage cars. 0.002% is hardly rife. More likely to suffer bore scoring.
@@eddherring4972 Which were affecting the 996, which was my point. It affected a minute number of first-year basic 997 models are the engine was carried over.
Your camera movement tends to make the watcher feel sick after a few minutes. Otherwise thanks for the great vid.
3:44 i tell her she my bestie bestiee....😂
I want a Carrera S. Because Carrera S.
Here's the useful content you missed our for all the viewers who just wasted 11minutes 1 seconds of their lives: upto mid 2006 base C2 used the 3.6 M96 from the 996 with same bore score and IMS bearing issues, the C2S mid 2005 on used the revised M97 but with M96 bad IMS bearing and similar ish bore score issues, mid 2005 on went M97 bigger more reliable IMS bearing, still bore score, mid 2005 on went M97 big reliable IMS and moderate bore score likelihood, then 3.8S was M97 big reliable IMS bearing and very likely bore score. There was an early upto mid 2005 3.8S also which was the worst of the lot (early M96 architecture, unreliable IMS bearing and worst for bore score. I'm drunk. Bye.
Hi Harry, do you still stand by this comment? I have no reason to disbelieve you. I am merely looking for some kind of confirmation that I'm about to do the right thing. I have the opportunity to buy a 997.1 C2S which is a manual car. Its had a borescope inspection and the results were that there is negligible scoring. The car has 51k miles on it. There are other cars on the market which are higher miles but have had the hartech liner work done. The car i want is perfect (for me), black, manual, full tan leather interior, i know the previous owners and its absolutley mint. The price is right and i cant see it dropping any less. Should i worry about having to potentially get some preventative work done, or just buy it and enjoy it? Thanks
@@rockfella8587 what did,you end up doing/buying
Hate the ghastly stop watch on the dash.
video 11 min, getting the hair just right before shooting 3.5 hours
Stop panning the camera continually between cars
Paul Fuller yes, I'm not the only one getting nauseous because of this
Don't shoot down 997.1 they were the last genuine porsche before VW bought them.
actually, it's the other way around. Porsche took over VW.
since 991.1 vw got Porsche, 997.2 still a truly Porsche.
@@davidjacobs8558 Porsche ATTEMPTED to take over VW.
VW eventually took over Porsche.
@@williamegler8771 Porsche family controls VW group.
@@davidjacobs8558 they are among the largest shareholders but their are several others with significant holdings that combined are more the what the Porsche family owns.
Actually 2004 is not 997 you can tell by the front headlights..
Vertical video!?
A porsche is a performance car.who cares about park assist or navigation
So much exaggeration with the gen 1... Honestly... 🥴. The IMS issue is rare on gen 1... And the bore scoring is massively exaggerated! As for specs... Well, get fitted a touch screen screen with satnav and Bluetooth and you will be good. Much cheaper than a gen 2 and the driving feel is meant to be much better in the 1st gen. And... On the bore scoring issue, only 5% of cars were affected and you can have it checked and then fit a low temperature thermostat to reduce the risk even further. These cars are meant to be driven and change the oil frequently (at least every year). I have a gen 1 C2S with all the above modifications (and more) and the car with 92k is bore score free, and an absolute pleasure and a hoot to drive! Save your money, do your research, don't believe all the massively OTTness about the gen 1 issues and go drive both cars...
Please, stop moving the camera, I feel sick.
“To be honest with you” and excuse my French” ......maybe a script so he stops repeating himself over and over again.....and please stop waiving the camera around.....
Well that typifies people’s attitude of today . Rather than praise and encourage we find it the modern way to criticise. We are not professional video producers just a company trying to adapt to modern ways . Appreciate your feedback though .
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I liked your genuine review. Thanks from here in Australia 👍