@@HOTD108_ - Many productions have their issues, but I like to think that I can appreciate them critically without being a certain type of person. YMMV
And people want to bring back torchwood... it got 4 series let it go McGann Deserves it more than BARROWMAN! Edit: Not sure why that went all caps but my phone made it so.
Just clearing something up. The cardinal, Played by Jacqueline Pearce, had appeared in the war doctor stories and the actress has worked with BF before. At the time of this story she was very ill and it was not long after that she passed away. So her line delivery was not intentional, she was very good in past appearances in fact. I hope this helps explain things.
Glad you pointed this out. Jacqueline's appearances with John Hurt's War Doctor are wonderful and I'm so sorry to hear anything she has done described as 'weak'. That's not her at all. Besides ... as Servelan in Blake's 7, she is one of my favourite female villains of all time. That cropped short hair and the full length white gowns she was usually in, the silky smooth evil delivery of her lines .... wow ... soooooo good. Or should that be bad?
Yes, it was great to hear her again. Sadly they (she and Sir John) passed away shortly after finishing their storys. You can hear, how ill she was at that time, she simply couldnt work on her vocal skills anymore. So credits for doing still a good Job.
That's terrible, I either hadn't heard that she had died until now because of yank news, or maybe heard and didn't process it at the time because I had a lot going on. Growing up a queer Blake's 7 viewer, Servalan was an amazing style icon. Thanks to Pearce and no doubt the several brilliant costume designers over the show's history. I love how defiantly and unconventionally feminine she often was in her look and demeanor. That she mostly retired from acting to run a monkey sanctuary sounded only more amazing. I always wanted to meet her!
It must be remembered though that the the more primitive, farming members of Gallifrey are generally more just basic Gallifreyans, rather than Timelords.
Yes I know, but that's only narratively justifying the thing I hate, it doesn't suddenly make me stop hating it. It also doesn't apply to the thing I brought up from Deadly Assassin.
@@CouncilofGeeks I know it doesn't excuse Deadly Assassin, I have the same problems with that story, in general the timelords have never been consistently portrayed, just look at Rassilon, no I hate how despite being these ancient and omnipotent beings they still employ torture and act like petty beurocrats. I don't mind so much how they use familiar looking things, dramatists have often used anachronistic visual elements to make incomprehensible worlds and times appear easier to understand to audiences for centuries, also they say in extended cannon that Rassilon was very hands on in the development of other races.
Gallifrey is a bit of a parody of the British establishment from Terror of the Autons onwards. The pointless ceremony of the real House of Lords, public Schools BbC broadcasts of Royal events. The stuffy academics studying one thing in isolation for centuries. Gold Usher is Black Rod. The farms make perfect sense the Shaboggans are basically Bullington Club boys.
This kind of intense creativity in looking at the time war always makes me so disappointed with the 50th anniversary. They boiled it down to one Fleet vs one planet and made the solution a thing the Doctor happened to have sitting on his console for a thousand years. It was stripped down for convenience.
I think the problem is that the 50th was marketed as showing off the Time War, rather than what the episode was actually about. It's less about the special itself as the false impression the marketing gave
Kevik96 They could have shown off the time war without feeling the need to “solve” the time war. The entire point of that event was that it was something so terrible that the doctor’s solution was to slaughter everyone involved rather than let it reach its ultimate conclusion. With stakes that high and the known outcome being so catastrophic you can’t solve the problem because logically if you could the doctor would have tried any and all possibilities before resorting to genocide. If they’d have really wanted to “solve” the time war about the only way to do it would have been make Ten and Eleven rescue a few hundred Time Lord refugees before the War Doctor used the moment and have the Moment punish the War Doctor by removing the memory that some of the time lords survived. Given the temporal nature of the species the next time we see them it could be ten thousand years later and they’ve rebuilt. They could have mechanically accomplished the results of Day of the Doctor without “no contacting” the entire emotional core of the revival’s first five series.
I don’t know if it comes into play in the Starship of Theseus but a second element of the thought experiment is that when you replace each piece of the ship you store the rotted piece in a warehouse. Years later a way to reverse the rot has been invented and you reassemble the ship out of the old now cured pieces. Which means you now how two ships of Theseus, which one is actually the ship? Or are both the ship? Or are neither?
Ollistra (I think that's how you spell it) shows up throughout I think all of the time war stories. She was in the first War Doctor boxset so if she bothers you here I don't know if she'll bother you going forward.
I dug it alot. The conscript had this excellent speech btw the doctor and the commandant that i love. Granted im not sure i want the daleks to be the big bad now. It makes the Doctor's advice to just talk it out foolish. Honestly big finish made me an 8th doctor fan and I'm behind on the Ravenous series. But the Time War box sets are a good place to start. I wouldn't mind an 8th doctor spinoff or movie but I'd settle for a crossover episode. 8 and 12 would've been a good combo.
The Doctor Who theme as arranged by Howard Carter. It was originally used for the War Doctor series... It's my favorite arrangement of the Doctor Theme
thanks for the review. I'm not sure whether or not to pick up the time war sets. The war doctor sets with John Hurt were brilliant in places but after 4 sets, I'm not sure more are needed
hydra66 they’re all really good in their own ways. They all cover different aspects of the war, the Gallifrey stuff deals with what’s happening with the High council and all of the political trouble that’s occurring, and the Eighth Doctor and war master stories are all set on the outskirts of the war, showcasing how different planets and civilisations are being affected. However whilst the Doctor tries to help, the Master is taking advantage
I think you're meant to dislike Ilystra from the get-go, but she evolves and grows across time war/war doctor. I agreed with the demystification of Gallifrey. but also not all gallifrians are time-lords as we see. I liked the conscript even though I was prepared to hate by reviews that panned exactly that notion. nutty concepts are always great, it's one of the things I look for in doctor who. overall, I think these sets are really worth any fans' time.
I'm not interested in the time war because I don't like things about war and I don't like the doctor getting involved in it but you got me interested in how the doctor got involved in it you also got me interested in the big Finnish audio dramas I think I will check them out thank you I love your videos
Council of Geeks yes Jago and Litefoot please. Their first series is far from their best, but the first five are on Spotify and the first 8 for free on Hoopla, so yeah
Love timewar series1 of boxset ot waa one of the best stories ever and yes the 8thdoctor shoud do more adventurs on tv appercs i love the 8thdoctor i won more od him on telly earrhr rhen juey doctor who rv movie and night 9f the doctor
Simply put, for how weird and borderline inconceivable as the Time War should be, I have no faith in the show to be able to visualize that without cheapening it. That's the beauty of audio: it's as weird as your mind will picture it.
I wonder how many people would be on board for an 8th Doctor TV series? I know I would.
Tons of people signed a petition for an Eighth Doctor miniseries and sent it tothe BBC, but they wouldn't do it 😒
Hell even just shorts like short treks
@@HOTD108_ - Many productions have their issues, but I like to think that I can appreciate them critically without being a certain type of person. YMMV
And people want to bring back torchwood... it got 4 series let it go McGann Deserves it more than BARROWMAN!
Edit:
Not sure why that went all caps but my phone made it so.
Just clearing something up. The cardinal, Played by Jacqueline Pearce, had appeared in the war doctor stories and the actress has worked with BF before. At the time of this story she was very ill and it was not long after that she passed away. So her line delivery was not intentional, she was very good in past appearances in fact. I hope this helps explain things.
Glad you pointed this out. Jacqueline's appearances with John Hurt's War Doctor are wonderful and I'm so sorry to hear anything she has done described as 'weak'. That's not her at all. Besides ... as Servelan in Blake's 7, she is one of my favourite female villains of all time. That cropped short hair and the full length white gowns she was usually in, the silky smooth evil delivery of her lines .... wow ... soooooo good. Or should that be bad?
Yes, it was great to hear her again. Sadly they (she and Sir John) passed away shortly after finishing their storys. You can hear, how ill she was at that time, she simply couldnt work on her vocal skills anymore.
So credits for doing still a good Job.
Oh no... That’s so sad.
That's terrible, I either hadn't heard that she had died until now because of yank news, or maybe heard and didn't process it at the time because I had a lot going on. Growing up a queer Blake's 7 viewer, Servalan was an amazing style icon. Thanks to Pearce and no doubt the several brilliant costume designers over the show's history. I love how defiantly and unconventionally feminine she often was in her look and demeanor. That she mostly retired from acting to run a monkey sanctuary sounded only more amazing. I always wanted to meet her!
I really love the 8th Doctor Time War stuff. Probably even more than any of his other stuff from box-set era. (dark eyes, doom coalition, Ravenous)
It must be remembered though that the the more primitive, farming members of Gallifrey are generally more just basic Gallifreyans, rather than Timelords.
Yes I know, but that's only narratively justifying the thing I hate, it doesn't suddenly make me stop hating it. It also doesn't apply to the thing I brought up from Deadly Assassin.
@@CouncilofGeeks I know it doesn't excuse Deadly Assassin, I have the same problems with that story, in general the timelords have never been consistently portrayed, just look at Rassilon, no I hate how despite being these ancient and omnipotent beings they still employ torture and act like petty beurocrats. I don't mind so much how they use familiar looking things, dramatists have often used anachronistic visual elements to make incomprehensible worlds and times appear easier to understand to audiences for centuries, also they say in extended cannon that Rassilon was very hands on in the development of other races.
Gallifrey is a bit of a parody of the British establishment from Terror of the Autons onwards. The pointless ceremony of the real House of Lords, public Schools BbC broadcasts of Royal events. The stuffy academics studying one thing in isolation for centuries. Gold Usher is Black Rod. The farms make perfect sense the Shaboggans are basically Bullington Club boys.
This kind of intense creativity in looking at the time war always makes me so disappointed with the 50th anniversary. They boiled it down to one Fleet vs one planet and made the solution a thing the Doctor happened to have sitting on his console for a thousand years. It was stripped down for convenience.
I think the problem is that the 50th was marketed as showing off the Time War, rather than what the episode was actually about. It's less about the special itself as the false impression the marketing gave
Kevik96 They could have shown off the time war without feeling the need to “solve” the time war. The entire point of that event was that it was something so terrible that the doctor’s solution was to slaughter everyone involved rather than let it reach its ultimate conclusion. With stakes that high and the known outcome being so catastrophic you can’t solve the problem because logically if you could the doctor would have tried any and all possibilities before resorting to genocide.
If they’d have really wanted to “solve” the time war about the only way to do it would have been make Ten and Eleven rescue a few hundred Time Lord refugees before the War Doctor used the moment and have the Moment punish the War Doctor by removing the memory that some of the time lords survived. Given the temporal nature of the species the next time we see them it could be ten thousand years later and they’ve rebuilt. They could have mechanically accomplished the results of Day of the Doctor without “no contacting” the entire emotional core of the revival’s first five series.
Love the eighth doctor, I'm so glad Big Finish gives McGann this performances...
Its Chameleon Arch. The Chameleon Circuit disguises the Tardis. The Chameleon Arch transforms a timelord.
I don’t know if it comes into play in the Starship of Theseus but a second element of the thought experiment is that when you replace each piece of the ship you store the rotted piece in a warehouse. Years later a way to reverse the rot has been invented and you reassemble the ship out of the old now cured pieces. Which means you now how two ships of Theseus, which one is actually the ship? Or are both the ship? Or are neither?
I heard the first story of this box set on the Doctor Who RUclips channel: I wish they'd put more audio plays on there.
I get the impression that The Conscript is partly a nod to William Hartnell in Carry On Sargent.
Just a general fanbase question
Where’s stubagfull gone???
Sorry, not my turn to watch him.
Ollistra (I think that's how you spell it) shows up throughout I think all of the time war stories. She was in the first War Doctor boxset so if she bothers you here I don't know if she'll bother you going forward.
Ben Warburton honestly she’s utilised way better on the War Doctor stuff. She’s a great foil for Hurt
I dug it alot. The conscript had this excellent speech btw the doctor and the commandant that i love. Granted im not sure i want the daleks to be the big bad now. It makes the Doctor's advice to just talk it out foolish.
Honestly big finish made me an 8th doctor fan and I'm behind on the Ravenous series. But the Time War box sets are a good place to start.
I wouldn't mind an 8th doctor spinoff or movie but I'd settle for a crossover episode. 8 and 12 would've been a good combo.
His advice I felt is a retroactive nod to the _less_ than sane leadership of Rassilon and co, in The End of Time.
The Doctor Who theme as arranged by Howard Carter. It was originally used for the War Doctor series... It's my favorite arrangement of the Doctor Theme
thanks for the review. I'm not sure whether or not to pick up the time war sets. The war doctor sets with John Hurt were brilliant in places but after 4 sets, I'm not sure more are needed
Gallifrey time war and the war master series
hydra66 they’re all really good in their own ways. They all cover different aspects of the war, the Gallifrey stuff deals with what’s happening with the High council and all of the political trouble that’s occurring, and the Eighth Doctor and war master stories are all set on the outskirts of the war, showcasing how different planets and civilisations are being affected. However whilst the Doctor tries to help, the Master is taking advantage
I think Jacqueline Pearce as Ollistra was unfortunately seriously unwell with cancer at the time so I can forgive her flat performance.
I loved Runcible as a character though
I didn't really warm to Bliss until Vol. 2
I think you're meant to dislike Ilystra from the get-go, but she evolves and grows across time war/war doctor. I agreed with the demystification of Gallifrey. but also not all gallifrians are time-lords as we see. I liked the conscript even though I was prepared to hate by reviews that panned exactly that notion. nutty concepts are always great, it's one of the things I look for in doctor who. overall, I think these sets are really worth any fans' time.
I'm not interested in the time war because I don't like things about war and I don't like the doctor getting involved in it but you got me interested in how the doctor got involved in it you also got me interested in the big Finnish audio dramas I think I will check them out thank you I love your videos
I got some Big Finish audio books from Humble Bundle. They were interesting.
I am soo calling it but it hasn't come out yet...I bet the last story in the last boxset ties to Night of the Doctor!!!
@Council of Geeks What other boxsets do you have your eye on or think you'd like to review?
Well I’ve got a few in hand I haven’t gotten to yet like Counter Measures and Jago and Lightfoot.
@@CouncilofGeeks Not checked out Jago and Lifefoot yet. Probably should considering I liked them in Talons of Weng Chiang and it's free on Spotify.
Before starting Jago and litefoot, I recommend you listen to the mahogany murders as a pilot for the series.
@@mrdoctorgilmore Mahogany Murderers* (it's a common mistake, but important to correct if Counsil of Geeks is going to search for it by title)
Council of Geeks yes Jago and Litefoot please. Their first series is far from their best, but the first five are on Spotify and the first 8 for free on Hoopla, so yeah
Love timewar series1 of boxset ot waa one of the best stories ever and yes the 8thdoctor shoud do more adventurs on tv appercs i love the 8thdoctor i won more od him on telly earrhr rhen juey doctor who rv movie and night 9f the doctor
Nicholas Briggs as show runner, enough of this injustice
Why do you dislike the idea of the show filling in the gaps of the Time War but not mind other mediums doing it? What's the difference?
Simply put, for how weird and borderline inconceivable as the Time War should be, I have no faith in the show to be able to visualize that without cheapening it. That's the beauty of audio: it's as weird as your mind will picture it.
@@CouncilofGeeks Huh, interesting.
@Melee Hell | Bot Makes sense
I liked Ollistra
7th comment yes !!!!!!!I’ve never been early before !!!!!!!
3rd comment, I think