@@femthingevelyn Then we’ve have multiple ways of traversing open-world maps. Most players would fly by Archwing. Some would probably choose K-Drive. Gauss mains just run. Then some players ride a giant blade saw across the plains…
@@princesscadance197 they still need to make gauss speed scale with power strength, get high strength and duration on volt and he can easily outrun gauss, you don't even need strength to be that high if you put infested mobility on him
@@Sadman366 and Wise Razor was supposed to be an introduction to Melee 3.0, it was supposed to be a preview of how the rework was gonna be like before it the changes were implemented to all melee
Ghoulsaw should be a melee where you can hold down E while you are running. I mean, when you think of a chainsaw weapon the first thing people usually think of is running down while mowing down mobs of enemies like in the early days of Doom. That would make Ghoulsaw very satisfying to use.
@1:21 you cannot use the term "true dmg" here, that would imply attack ignoring all armor and defenses. Proper term would be "full dmg". Other that that, good job once again.
Stance still sucks imho, it's damage was never a problem for me it was the fact that its so bloody slow and clunky, i understand its a heavy saw we're not ment to swing it around like a fidget spinner or zip around the battlefield with massive lunges but, the lack of any real momentum on its swings makes it a pain to hit anything, even after modding it for reach and attack speed it still feels like a pile of junk. But hey we get to appreciate the animations :^)
All we wanted was for them to fix the forward E combo and to let us ride indefinitely. They changed everything EXCEPT those two. If that isn't some dev's giant middle finger then DE are reaching unheard of levels of disconnection with the playerbase.
@@yeoldpubman maybe, once in a while, use the forums of the game you play and you will be a bit more in touch with its developments, enough to know who is "we" and not ask smartass questions.
I tested something in sim yesterday and I found interesting way the combos work, if you shoot after starting melee attack, it will hold the combo and next melee will continue the next hit. I never used melee and gun in such a way to discover this. Also the ghoul saw is bugged when I roll while riding it it usually doesn't turn off the glowing trail, its really jank when sliding on the ground.
We need a buff for Impact and punture so we can have some other weapons will finally have a different build style, like punture will allow damage to pass armor for 1-2 hit for a gun and 1 for a melee, but its won't happen
@@lag00n54 The slam itself is the stagger, maybe I expressed myself not clearly enough. The slam is the problem, you do a flip that is extended for cinematic effects but that in the end just makes you slower.
Ive got a build im trying out it has to do with Crit Chance and Combo Duration if you get my drift. And im trying out using the Dual Stat mods for some armor strip
@@TheRagnus That was because of a mod that made it broken. No one would use the stance even if was was good because people only wanted big red numbers.
In my opinion, the animation speed, having to button mash E for the forward attack and being unable to continuously ride it, were more important issues than damage. Unfortunately, DE somehow missed all that and buffed its damage significantly, so it's unlikely it will be buffed again.
i personally dislike all the people who demand that all new weapons be the best of the best with no other weapon reaching to those heights... untill the next weapon release that is ofc. if thats what you want then either all the weapons are the same and blind folded chimpanzee can make an insanely powerfull build or you have astronomical power creep. just because its not the best weapon there is doesnt mean its garbage, before it wasnt the best and it wasnt the worst and now its just a decent bit better then average which is FINE
@@lag00n54 yeah, i agree that the forward E is clumsy at best, the slow ass animations are fair, considering its a giant saw but my coment was directed towards specifically people who complained about the saw beeing garbage when it came out
It doesn't have decent stats tf are you talking about? 15% CC and 27% SC is absolute garbage. But I could give 2 shits about stats, they have to rework the whole stance, for example the riding mechanic needs to be indefinite
@@theunhingedgamer3762 i decked it out with arcanes both on frame and weapon Galvanized mods Harrow buff + rhino And it STILL was worse than kuva zarr or grattler
Yeah I am holding out for some other assault saws to come out with better stats. Like maybe a corpus one that sucks opponents in after the riding slam animation, or leaves an electric trail (scaling with mods) on top of better stats
@@xylem0195 yea, it´s just a shame the very first one they´ve introduced to the game has so shitty stats. A simple buff to crit chance/damage would have done wonders for this weapon.
@@JewishCircumcision1155 it's impractical and slower than every other weapon in the game which kills its purpose pretty much I prefer fun and effective weapons and the Ghoulsaw is neither of those things to me so I stand by my statement
I just wish they'd increased the range/duration of the ghoul saw ride. That’s literally the only thing I want from this.
just let us ride it for as long as we hold down the button
@@femthingevelyn
Then we’ve have multiple ways of traversing open-world maps.
Most players would fly by Archwing.
Some would probably choose K-Drive.
Gauss mains just run.
Then some players ride a giant blade saw across the plains…
@@princesscadance197 they still need to make gauss speed scale with power strength, get high strength and duration on volt and he can easily outrun gauss, you don't even need strength to be that high if you put infested mobility on him
just put spring loaded blade mod in there
@@princesscadance197 and all of those travel methods are nice
Alright DE now give us a 2 handed nikana stance that isn't hot garbage.
yes, just make the existing stance stop sucking. They can clearly do it when motivated.
It was good before then with that melee update it went from 4 combos to 3 and now feels like trash.
wise razor isn't bad but give us back our lifted and stagger statuses from our stances
@@Sadman366 and Wise Razor was supposed to be an introduction to Melee 3.0, it was supposed to be a preview of how the rework was gonna be like before it the changes were implemented to all melee
Glad to see old school Mcgamercz reviewing combos in depth just like when I first subbed 3 yrs ago
Ghoulsaw should be a melee where you can hold down E while you are running. I mean, when you think of a chainsaw weapon the first thing people usually think of is running down while mowing down mobs of enemies like in the early days of Doom. That would make Ghoulsaw very satisfying to use.
@1:21 you cannot use the term "true dmg" here, that would imply attack ignoring all armor and defenses. Proper term would be "full dmg". Other that that, good job once again.
in the context of the sentence he was saying, it was a proper use of the phrase, as he was talking about the amount of damage and not the damage type
a better term would be "standard damage". or "neutral damage multiplier".
Ghoulsaw needs a buff to the ride, like by doing the combo and by keeping pressing melee attack button you can ride as long as you keep it pressed
try and get people to complain about the riding gimmick and de will probably add it most likely
Or press to start riding, then press to stop riding
@@LightCrib2 yes
Stance still sucks imho, it's damage was never a problem for me it was the fact that its so bloody slow and clunky, i understand its a heavy saw we're not ment to swing it around like a fidget spinner or zip around the battlefield with massive lunges but, the lack of any real momentum on its swings makes it a pain to hit anything, even after modding it for reach and attack speed it still feels like a pile of junk. But hey we get to appreciate the animations :^)
Wish they would revert the Wise Razor stance to how it was before also
What did they do to it?
They removed 1 of the stance combos and they changed the others around made it go from feeling fluid to just clunky.
It's really nice they buffed this sooner, means we can have more fun with the chainsaw of doom! Thanks for the helpful video MC!
The scooter combo should be changed so that you ride the Ghoul Saw indefinitely when spamming melee and do the slam when you stop or press S
100 percent agreed monke
@@TSHGTheStrawHatGhost Monk, not monke. I have yet to ascend and return to monke, so I can’t add the E.
@@Epicmonk117 understood Monk
All we wanted was for them to fix the forward E combo and to let us ride indefinitely. They changed everything EXCEPT those two.
If that isn't some dev's giant middle finger then DE are reaching unheard of levels of disconnection with the playerbase.
Who's "we"? I just wanted it to do damage
@@yeoldpubman maybe, once in a while, use the forums of the game you play and you will be a bit more in touch with its developments, enough to know who is "we" and not ask smartass questions.
Ngl I was kinda longing for another one of those epic montages
I tested something in sim yesterday and I found interesting way the combos work, if you shoot after starting melee attack, it will hold the combo and next melee will continue the next hit. I never used melee and gun in such a way to discover this. Also the ghoul saw is bugged when I roll while riding it it usually doesn't turn off the glowing trail, its really jank when sliding on the ground.
We need a buff for Impact and punture so we can have some other weapons will finally have a different build style, like punture will allow damage to pass armor for 1-2 hit for a gun and 1 for a melee, but its won't happen
Waiting on the Kuva Ghoul Saw
so they didnt fix the twitchy running combo to make it hold E instead of tapping E, kinda sucks cus that makes the weapon so much clunkier
My goodness my ivara would love this stance mod!
Wise Razor is all you need to prove a point.
i would like the slam on the slide to be its own input rather than locking me into it every time you slide
I think people are overlooking going over 100% status chance.
It is one of the better melee weapons, like, just slightly above average and way below anything that is considered good.
now if they could make the stealth finisher 3x faster
it still feels very slow at 3x speed
They need to give more damage multipliers or seriously look at that jankiness.
The weapon sucks ? just add slash procs. Nothing wrong there with the game system guys. No worries
Saw riding is still overwhelming imo, the havy slam at the end staggers you so much. It should be replaced with soemthing else.
then fkn roll after a slam
it that's how everyone cancels the animation after a slam
@@lag00n54 The slam itself is the stagger, maybe I expressed myself not clearly enough. The slam is the problem, you do a flip that is extended for cinematic effects but that in the end just makes you slower.
Now all they need to increase is the range
Ive got a build im trying out it has to do with Crit Chance and Combo Duration if you get my drift. And im trying out using the Dual Stat mods for some armor strip
The EEEE combo need to buff the 1st attacking animation
They did the bare minimum to buff it it needs more crit and the ride slam needs to do 5x damage
They need to.make the saw riding into either an infinite combo or have it be a custom k-drive option. Boom. The use of it will go up massicely
Where I get Butcher's revelry ????
Can they please fix the 2h nikana stance now please.
Would this be a good weapon for ash with the slash proc and his passive?
Eh its better for frames with some cc as ghoulsaw is still clunky to use
Can DE buff Wise Razor now so I can use Tatsu?
when prime ghoul saw? vulkar ghoul saw? i need to rip and tear
GIEF CHAINSWORD NOAW
How do i get this stance
Now if only they'd do the same with whips...
whips can actually still be used even in their current state unlike this thing
@@theunhingedgamer3762 Whip stances have always been bad to the point that even when whips were meta, people only used their slide attacks.
@@TheRagnus That was because of a mod that made it broken. No one would use the stance even if was was good because people only wanted big red numbers.
Now if only DE tweaked all Stances
In my opinion, the animation speed, having to button mash E for the forward attack and being unable to continuously ride it, were more important issues than damage.
Unfortunately, DE somehow missed all that and buffed its damage significantly, so it's unlikely it will be buffed again.
I am confused that they buffed a melee weapon
I was mostly happy before now I'm happy. I'd like to shoot the MIGHTY SEER while riding it. Would love the riding to be an alt fire that's longer tho
you know what bothers me ? the fucking stationary combos...
So rip and tear?
Rip and tear
and faster
cool
Ive mever seem anyone do a front finisher or backfinisher, only ground
most of the combos are still ridiculously slow and awkward so i caaaan't really say it's good now
Will comeback in this game after a year or so, too boring to play on daily basis as mr 26 ☺
Sooooo.... I will use it if this has 50% status chance! Hahaha!
i personally dislike all the people who demand that all new weapons be the best of the best with no other weapon reaching to those heights... untill the next weapon release that is ofc. if thats what you want then either all the weapons are the same and blind folded chimpanzee can make an insanely powerfull build or you have astronomical power creep. just because its not the best weapon there is doesnt mean its garbage, before it wasnt the best and it wasnt the worst and now its just a decent bit better then average which is FINE
for me it just needs to feel useable
the awkward forward E is eh
everything else is ayt
except it's slow ass animations
@@joaovitordickmann4353 its the internet, get used to it ^^
@@lag00n54 yeah, i agree that the forward E is clumsy at best, the slow ass animations are fair, considering its a giant saw but my coment was directed towards specifically people who complained about the saw beeing garbage when it came out
It doesn't have decent stats tf are you talking about? 15% CC and 27% SC is absolute garbage.
But I could give 2 shits about stats, they have to rework the whole stance, for example the riding mechanic needs to be indefinite
It got buffed from weak to medicore
Just like SHIT SEER to KUVA SHIT SEER
except nothing can save a The shit seer
Kuva Seer isn't bad tbh the only garbage thing about it is the ammo economy other than that it actually wrecks things pretty nicely
@@theunhingedgamer3762 i decked it out with arcanes both on frame and weapon
Galvanized mods
Harrow buff + rhino
And it STILL was worse than kuva zarr or grattler
@@kylzepolaczkowaty2197 does it have to be another "meta weapon"
honesty it just has to be useable
@@kylzepolaczkowaty2197 and Kuva Zarr is a Strong primary so kind of unfair to compare against
kuva Grattler is decent
heavy build is still junk though
This buff of the stance is far to be enough, it is still the stance with the less damage of the game.
For me, the weapon is still mastery fodder.
If they ever decide to buff the weapon stats like crit and whatnot, maybe I´ll consider using it.
is it now more useable? sure
does it still need some work? Yes
Does it have to be a one of those meta weapons? no not really
Yeah I am holding out for some other assault saws to come out with better stats. Like maybe a corpus one that sucks opponents in after the riding slam animation, or leaves an electric trail (scaling with mods) on top of better stats
@@xylem0195 yea, it´s just a shame the very first one they´ve introduced to the game has so shitty stats. A simple buff to crit chance/damage would have done wonders for this weapon.
until they buff the weapon itself I refuse to craft this thing lol
It’s actually really fun and really good imo
@@JewishCircumcision1155 it's impractical and slower than every other weapon in the game which kills its purpose pretty much
I prefer fun and effective weapons and the Ghoulsaw is neither of those things to me so I stand by my statement
@@theunhingedgamer3762 that’s your opinion! Respect
@@theunhingedgamer3762 then don't as if you building it would matter
@@theunhingedgamer3762 It's a big ass saw. Of course it's slow.