Hey Rich...to add something positive here. Great stuff man! I'm a Saints fan, and I really appreciate all of this exposure. If this was 10 years ago, I wouldn't be that upset. But we are not getting another the likes of Drew Brees, and we know he doesn't have many years left. Thanks for your earnest approach. Much appreciation again. Way to go. Who Dat!
@Oliver ClothesOff Plus they were cheated out of a Super Bowl on receivers getting mugged with no call PI calls against the Pat. The ones that got in on the "Tuck Rule."
@Oliver ClothesOff Yeah, a hypocrite Rams fan who is ignoring the fact that the Saints would have STILL had the lead if that PI is called on the Rams CB because it would have put the Saints at First and 10 deep deep in the Rams redzone. Where the Saints would have most likely scored. So the score would have been 24-27 Saints. Stop it.
Still can’t believe not one official threw a flag. Could have thrown it late. Usually on play like this there is at least 3 flags on the ground. Nobody can defend the refs in this and yet still not a word from the league
@@kokoken1 I really hope your query is based on hyperbole or shear sarcasm. But, to answer your question, look at the footage. All the evidence is laid out for you.
I don't enjoy NBA as much either. It started around the time they started giving technical fouls for arguing calls. That softened the accountability of the refs.
The NFL has ALWAYS been fake. The thing is... they can't admit it. Think about it, if the NFL admitted it was all a show then they would lose revenue overall. People would still watch yes, but there is much less emotional investment in a 'team' you know is being helped. Just like in wrestling, we would still have our favorites, but we DAMN sure wouldn't be packing stadiums with 70,000+ people at $200 a ticket and buying expensive ass Jersey's to brag about a team following a script.
NBA fans nightmare every game but in NFL its one game so stakes are MUCH higher. Brutal look BUT... maybe sean payton shouldnt have thrown on the first down.. or Brees shouldnt have thrown a pick..
To the people that are saying “Saints fans, you lost. Get over it.”...Get over it, you say? Well, let me explain why we aren’t. The NFL is the same NFL that orchestrated a witch-hunt in the way of Bountygate to try and rectify their concussion situation through a campaign to show the NFL cares about injuries. After the appeal, players won with backing of the NFLPA. Tagliabue came in to judge the appeal, he overruled Goodell’s ruling, and the players were able to play. Meanwhile, even though our players were proven innocent in the appeal, Goodell still upheld the suspension he cast upon Sean Payton. So, we had a coach suspended over a year for something that didn’t exist. However, before that, this is the same NFL that sent cease and desist letters to local New Orleans businesses for using the phrase “Who Dat” on custom T-shirt’s. The NFL, wanting to cash in on the Saints success, tried to claim ownership to a phrase that they cared nothing about prior. The NFL came at innocent businesses and tried to bully their way around. It didn’t work. They failed. The NFL didn’t own the phrase “Who Dat”. Now, here we are. The Saints had a Super Bowl berth taken from them by the same NFL that allowed two Los Angeles residing officials to officiate the Los Angeles Rams game in New Orleans where the most obvious pass interference call wasn’t called....and you want us to get over it?...Not happening.
..over 80 percent are useless opinions. Most say the same thing so many others said. Your points are rare here, but you connected relevant "dots". Football is a business. Sadly, most adults know so little about business. I've read thousands of their comments on basic business topics. Over 90 percent of those comments also are proving they know so little about problem solving even basics about business.
@@joshuahaddock6431 ...Yep. They contradict themselves all the time. It's sad to see so many alleged knowledgeable fans demean the proven talents of Brady and even Belichick. Obviously, they don't want to respect these smart men. They will nitpick so irrationally all the time. The fact is, simple minded people don't like to face reality that they are quite stupid. Belichick is one of the greatest minds in coaching in so many facets of the game. They even go so far as to say "I don't care who wins the Superbowl, as long as it's not the Patriots". Yes, stupid people have always been jealous of others who put in way more effort at learning so much more than them. Guess what every last one of them would say if they went to dinner, and the waitress made many mistakes, and the cooks burnt their food. But the manager said to them, "hey!! I like to hire idiots because they can't quit since nobody else will hire them". These Brady and Belichick haters will call the manager "crazy". They want the most for THEIR money spent! That's why the Patriots owner pays them so well. So many idiot fans really have little understanding of the sport and the good lessons it teaches. Teaching!!?? Did I just say the T word!? How dare I!
What pisses me off is that during regular season they called pass interference if you even breathe on a receiver, but then they get to the most critical games of the year and they decide they’re not going to call them, if its a rule its a rule, there shouldn’t be a difference from regular season vs playoffs, thats not how rule enforcement is supposed to be. Refs just didn’t want to make a call and be in the spotlight, but they picked such a blatant infraction not to throw a flag. Peoples lives and fortunes are impacted by such an egregious non-call. Not fair for either team!
Say what you will about the CFL, they figured this out years ago. A grey cup was won because of a coaches challenge on a DPI that wasnt called and was reversed to be called a penalty, setting them up in fg position I believe. Can't remember which grey cup that was,google search time.
Jordan johson, unless it's obviously missed pass interference, what you are doing is substituting one person's subjective judgment for another's persons.P.I. penalties are haphazardly judged with no consistent standard.DB.'s have been flagged for just reaching out and touching the guy with no pushing or grabbing involved. all the Myriad suggestions predicated on the notion that there is a definitive and discernible standard. Absent that the only way to be close to a hundred percent right is to not allow any contact between the receiver and defensive players Beyond batting the ball away which would lead to 90% completion rates.
WHAT ABOUT THE MISSED FACE MASK ON JARED GOFF THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE RAMS FIRST AND GOAL ON THE ONE YARD LINE. THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SCORED A TOUCHDOWN THAT WOULD HAVE PUT THEM AHEAD 24-20 INSTEAD OF HAVING TO KICK A FIELD GOAL.
OMG it wasn't helmet tell helmet he led with shoulder and helmet made incidental contact it's how they've been calling it basically all season. How bout the 2 facemasks horsecollar and curbstomp that was ignored? Yea exactly.
I agree with Rich here. Why can't a coach directly challenge a poor referee action? Fans DON'T CARE about game length if the change takes care of terrible things like the missed call which just happened. Why is Pereira sooooo fixated on time?
Richard...Your points make sense. Mike P. is obviously skipping some real reasons why time of games is so important. I think it has to do with the business side of the nfl. Sunday is the biggest day for viewership. Televised games start at noon (central time) and end at around 10:30 pm. That's 3 full games. Advertising money is critical. If one noon game overlaps the next scheduled game too often, advertisers lose millions of viewers. If Mike P. and many other well paid sports "analysts" told the whole truth, it would wake up fans about the business greed factor in professional sports that they always prefer to stay away from as much as possible. Notice that nobody has mentioned what I just mentioned. That makes my comment harder to believe! Secrets are secrets for a reason. If people think we are being told the whole truth, they don't know how many secrets there are that most consumers are not educated on as they spend their money.
@@jusayenso8186 yeah , that does make perfect sense now that you explained it, and I Do believe your comment.. have not thought about it from that "greed" perspective before, cause I Am just a fan and, want the game to be officiated fairly, even if it takes a few minutes longer.....I agree with Eisen and Richard Steiner......and I'm getting quite an education reading all these comments.
@@vanillarose ...Your comment is so rare. If only others would learn how important it is to be a student of business, pro sports and life in general. Objective thinking is critical. Sadly, it requires effort and time. But it's absolutely necessary. Otherwise, it's impossible to have an open mind. Narrow minds are similar to driving a car while looking through a narrow 3by3 inch windshield, but not knowing it. You will have to drive so slow, and can only see so little. To keep having an open mind absolutely requires looking at issues with perspective. Acquiring perspective requires putting in the research time. But it's actually fun to keep learning. Anyone can buy a bigger windshield for a car. But learning how to become to more accurate (it's impossible to be perfectly right on everything)at problem solving anything cannot be simply bought. I still put in way more time researching so much every week. I honesty believe you are way ahead of the pack. Anyone can be an expert on one topic. Don't let that fool you that they are "wise" or telling the whole truth. Look at the divorce rate. Look at all the cheating spouses or gold diggers. People love to hide their true colors. I have so much respect for people who think objectively. They also acquire a huge advantage in knowing how to see signs of biased information or people who shouldn't be trusted. I'm sure you know plenty of things I don't know. Your rare comment proves you have an open mind. Many actually don't, and ironically, they think they know so much. Too funny!!
@@jusayenso8186 Yes. Its about ad dollars to a large extent regarding time. However, those short term benefits are screwing the fans who are consumers and they are turning off their base. They will continue to do this and as they do more and more boycotts and loss in ad revenue will cost them.
There's just no way a team of seven professional refs with next-gen equipment all saw that and unanimously decided that it wasn't PI. I think the NFL has drawn a line in the sand letting us know what it is. They will have games end in a manner that THEY desire, not what the game or the players desire.
and they should recall the face mask against Jerod Goff , then the rams would have had a touchdown instead of 3 points," What an idiot "! lets just replay every penalty and protest every call until the out come arrives at a Saints Win!!!!!
@@garynickelsen1623 does kinda sound like the argument, I'll admit. Could we have a better replay system....maybe. However the narrative of well this particular play ends the game if a penalty is called could be done throughout history and likely would change a lot of outcomes. But then you get into, which other calls earlier in the game would have been looked at and how would those have affected how the game even plays out after. It's a sicky situation, but the Saints didn't lose the game because of one call. Fans are choosing to look at it that way, which I can understand, they are upset.
@@TeeeDay not an apples to apples argument dude. I agree there are fouls on every play. But c'mon, the little bitty face mask vs the blatant pass Interference. You must be one of the 5 Rams fans. Lol
Why is the game being long made into such an issue? Who wouldn't want to see mahomes get a chance in OT or who wouldn't to get all the calls right to ensure as fair a game as possible?
A problem I see with the whole "Mahomes should get a chance" is what happens if both teams score a touchdown? Brady gets ball back on third possession and scores, we will then continue to say "Mahomes should have had another chance" and it'll go over and over since both teams had the capabilities of scoring. At the end of the day it's a team game, a team should be able to trust the defense to stop a touchdown, not even asking them to stop a field goal, just a touchdown.
@@SetsunaE Agree - which is tougher, going 75 yards for a TD or getting a stop and getting into field goal range? The point of NFL OT rules is to end the game as quickly as possible so teams aren't playing an additional quarter or more. Maybe for the Super Bowl both teams should get one chance, but definitely not during any other games.
OMGMytharix not really most people just want it to be where the other teams offense atleast gets one chance. And if your defense couldn’t stop them the second time then so be it.
I'm finding it harder and harder to watch the NFL with any passion these days. Only watched about half the Super Bowl last year. This year may skip it.
The mechanics of those two officials were the problem. Suspect call was created by league expectations and the subjective reaction of those two officials. The flags should have been dropped and then adjudicated by the officials. Flags get picked up regularly. Officials weren't doing their jobs.
Yes they were doing there job. NFL told them who needs to win but keep it close. They had too do this, bc Saints were getting too close to finishing rams off. They did exactly what refs jobs are.
The officials did the jobs they were paid to by bookies or by someone at the league who wanted to give the Rams the game. No group of officials is so blind or incompetent that they wouldn't have known EXACTLY what they were doing.
How about this? Let's acknowledge that that entire crew earned that assignment, BUT if I were Al Riveron, how about suspending the side judge and down judge from the playoffs next year -- sort of a probation? If they get a playoff assignment in 2020, it's because Riveron is satisfied that those officials can make the clutch call at the key moment and get it right.
This is such an egregious no-call they should be BANNED from officiating any NFL game ever. It was that historically bad call. They are either incompetent or they were paid off, either way, they can't officiate another game.
@@jdog6620 I agree. they ARE incompetent - at cheating !! they picked SUCH an OBVIOUS, blatant, BAD, time to do it, they got caught, so now, the Whole World knows, and whoever did pay them off is probably not too pleased with them -- OR,..... maybe they are VERY pleased and gave them a bonus ! cause they achieved the result they wanted ! ..... They are probably all rich enough now, they don't NEED to ever work another game..... I know, I sound awful.... I am just so angry, and Sad, for all of us ....us fans, the players, and the coaches, who really do love the game of football......the NFL, and Goodell, and the officials, and whoever else is involved, have ruined it......
2 refs had perfect views (5 FT and 10-15 FT away) both were looking at that time. What, they both thought the defender wasn't early? Neither one thought it was helmet to helmet? Guess their not concerned about concussions anymore. Come on guys! The refs INTENTIONALLY helped the Rams (also Patriots) because that is what the league owners would've wanted.
rob feld the Refs didn’t let the Rams march down field and make a FG to tie the game. The refs didn’t give the saints the ball in OT and make Brees throw a pick. I agree it was a blown call and Saints should’ve won but it wasn’t called and that doesn’t guarantee a team to the Super Bowl after he call.
@@samrivera4736 THAT DOESN'T MATTER! Intentional no calls have no place in sports. Well, apperenrly they r all over sports but shouldn't be. People bet on these rigged games. Why haven't we heard from Rodger Goodell on this? Because he will get caught in lies if he opened his mouth on this issue. I'm not a fan of saints, in fact I was pissed when saints won SB because it was obvious that it was a, Katrina feel good story. That's why saints aren't very mad about this, they know that they already had their feel good story. Now its LA's, new city, feel good story. My gut says Patriots will win and because Rams were handed a free SB trip, less fans will be pist about Patriots winning again!
Too bad about the Saints because it looks like they were robbed on a blown call near the end of regulation which the NFL will probably stonewall like they've done on the CTE issue. The CFL lets coaches challenge referee calls (or non-calls), but the NFL is too full of itself for this to happen.
Refs should be fined or suspended when obvious calls are missed when they're standing right there or bad calls that change the game are made. If the NFL fines or suspends players according to what they do in the game, refs need to be held accountable too.
I disagree because a decision was made and it needs to stand. How would you like it if your boss decided that you are not getting the account you thought that you worked hard for and gave it to someone else.. Are you going to tell your boss that you are going to sue . You just suck it up and move on keep getting a paycheck every week. Brees is still getting his 80 million, or whatever he is getting and we’re still living from pay check to paycheck. LOL. Football is a fast moving game and decisions have to be made in a very short amount of time. There have been and will continue to be a lot of bad calls in the NFL or any sport for that matter. In overtime, each team should get a change to touch ball and the opportunity to win the game and not the team who won the toss. That's not fair. That rushing the passer call on Brady was B.S. Nobody is saying anything about that. Or the Chiefs interception TD was overturned because of some line scrimmage call. Fans lost a lot of money on that game and along with high emotions is causing this issue to get way too much attention than it deserves. That TD that Jesse James made against the Pats was ruled not a TD, and it was clearly a TD. That Jets TD was ruled not a TD. I could go on and on. What the heck a catch? At the end of the day, the Refs are given the authority to make decisions and the NFL needs to stand with the Refs. Don’t make the Refs a pawn and fire them because they have families and responsibility just like we do. Entertainment sport should not be this serious. If your team wins...congrats and if your team loses, better luck next time.
This has happened in every game I've watched in the 2018 NFL season. You'll always see this one play that cannot be explained. Everyone will see that a clear penalty has occurred but the officials will just ignore it. It will happen in the Super Bowl. I knew it was going to happen in the Saints/Rams game because it happens in EVERY game.
I don’t care how good you are, it’s IMPOSSIBLE to beat 11 defenders and 7 officials ! One man (official) should NOT have that level of control over the fate of so many, without repercussion. One man can end careers, end seasons, cost players and teams millions and potentially profit himself. I’m NOT a Saints fan, but wrong is wrong. One official, standing five steps away, who was from California, decided who went to the Super Bowl. 🇺🇸
Yep brotha they got the pics on Facebook the ref that was on the sideline who saw the play and Sean Payton ran up to him, dude played for the Rams and falcons it was a non call to push the Rams in
The NFL has preached "player safety" for a few years now and yet crickets from Goodell on this helmet to helmet non call (actually two of them). I guess "player safety" is only important when they want it to be.
They're given 15 minutes for OT, they should play the whole thing. Still tied after that, they go for another until someone legitimately wins when time runs out. Heard one of the announcers yesterday say, its like starting a new 4 quarters. That's how it should be, let the teams play as long as needed one extra quarter at a time.
Football is too violent and taxing to have players play an extra 30 minutes. The rules suck but it's set up that way to prevent letting it linger that long
I actually LOVE football. But, after watching crooked NBA refs ruin basketball...I am sick. I do NOT watch basketball due to MOB influence. Now...screw football. The NFL just lost a fan. I'm SURE they don't give a damn. GREAT !! The jerk ref who openly and intentionally did this should NEVER be allowed to even CALL the freaking Fire Department. Why do I think all of this is clearly rigged ? Because we WATCHED it!!! NOBODY is calling for the head of this ref. Bill !!! If us John-Q hardwirkers screw up like that...WE GET FIRED !!! FIRE THIS GUY. BUT YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES FOR KEEPING HIM???!!! If I were a Saints player, I would put my foot so far up that ref's butt, he could shine my shoes with his tongue. And help us had that ref been Black. This guy's comments would have been more convicting. But hey...Ameruca's great again. Now watch the racists shift on my comment.
I like Rich's plan better too....Clearly the "League" will not.... It's too fair ...and will make it harder for them to continue doing what they are doing.....
Integrity creates the space that allows enjoyment. Without it you have bought entertainment. Let us all reflect on what Goodells closet intentions are...
the refs were only doing what the league office ordered them to do. just find some kind of way to get that certain pre-determined team to win. we'll leave it up to y'all on how you do it, but JUST DO IT!!!
@@stormteam3004 it was obvious in 2001 when the raiders got cheated. Everyone saw brady fumble. but, it was the 9/11 season so of course the league is going to push the team named the "patriots" whose colors are red, white & blue. they tried to give the giants that push cause it would've made for "the greatest story" but they sucked too much & it would've been EXTREMELY obvious, so they went another way. the pats were doing good so they went with them. & come to find out the chiefs ALSO got cheated, so what does that tell ya?
They did not miss anything !!!! It happened right in front of him ... he was looking right at it..... look at all the pictures and tape and then you will know...
The NFL will lose a whole lot of viewers cause the officials is fans too and never know who they want to win or is there any foul play going on? Never can tell. Mike Pereira don't want to blame the refs cause he used to be a ref.
The real travesty is the Chiefs not getting a chance to put their offense on the field in OT. Offense is king in the new NFL, and one of the best QBs in the NFL doesn't even get a shot on the field in OT. (Stats show winner of OT coin toss wins 10% more.)
Anyone remember the Pat Summerall and John Madden era where they *DIDN'T NEED* a Mike Pereira from the referee association to explain the ass-backwards officiating every freaking week? The networks have to resort to have folks like Pereira come in during games or interviews, days, and weeks after trying to do mental gymnastics to explain the garbage that's been displayed by the league's referees. It's been gradually getting worse for years now but Gooddell and the NFL have refused to address the problem. This is ONE main reason why I've stopped watching NFL games over the past few seasons. Got tired of seeing referees manipulating the outcome of games.
Rich...Good point. All these well paid football analysts know to stay away from certain real business reasons why they keep selling that longer games will be a problem. Somehow, I think it has to do with Sunday games. This is the day where televised games start at noon (central time) and end after the Sunday night game. I think league wants to avoid one game overlapping the next too often. Tv advertising is huge money for the nfl. Each commercial missed due to overlapping games is going to cost the league big profits since advertisers will obviously draft contracts that include huge cuts in money they pay the league based on the viewership stats which are tracked on every game. Always follow the money trail!
Los Angeles Rams just trying to increase fan base pay attention LeBron James LA Lakers so la is trying to be a Powerhouse again. SMH!! THE NFL IS ROBBING TEAMS
You fine them! Then they'll learn to get it right. You fine him if it's blatant and not throw the flag. If you throw the flag and find out there's no penalty, pick up the flag, no fine. But if it's that blatant and you don't throw the flag, then you are not doing your job so you shouldn't get paid anyway. Fine them!
No, then you are just going to get a rainstorm of yellow flags. Just let there be the invisible 8th person in the booth upstairs. The fans will be fine with a proper overturning if it has video and an explanation or whatever.
@@wealthychef what is gonna make an invisible 8th official in the booth be any less corrupt than the others there on the ground ? Mike himself in the interview says they will all be part of the same "officiating crew", ..so there will just be 8 corrupt officials instead of 7...... I totally agree with Rich's idea that the COACH should be able to challenge..and anything the COACH wants to be reviewed , SHOULD be ! .. ..take at least a LITTLE control away from those cheating ref's and give it to the Coach, he's smart enough not to waste a bunch of time and red flags on every little thing, but if he has that power, then he can at LEAST be able to challenge that type of blatant cheating that happened in that game......Mike just sounds like a mouthpiece/politician that Goodell sent to say crap to "placate" people......excuses and over complicating and delaying what should be a simple fix...(No ex football players from LA, or Anywhere, should be able to officiate at ALL, for starters....funny how they manage to avoid talkin bout THAT)....I could see Rich not falling for it and getting just as sick of listening to his bs as I was.!....and yes I get your "rainstorm of yellow flags" concern, but there has to be SOME kinda accountability for the really blatant stuff for the refs, a warning, a fine, suspension, SOMETHING,...???? after readin all the stuff about the ref bein an ex Ram, which I had NO idea went on, I'm just as ready as everybody else, to quit the NFL, which is very very sad....
As a Saints fan, fire the ref who was on TommyLee Lewis. All 5 eligible receivers have their own ref spotting them, so that ref obviously wasn't doing his job and focusing on something other than the receiver. The foul wasn't hidden or obscured, the error was 100% the ref. Fire him to send a message, no change is needed in replay. Hire him back in a year or 2? Fine, but we need to shake the refs up to focus them
SMH this cop-out about extending the game too long when ratings are off the charts and everyone and their brother is glued to their TV. NCAA OT rules are good for the business, entertainment and competition. Same bunch of negative nancy's didn't want two point conversions in the 80's and 90's, yet it didn't take long before everyone became happy with it.
Yeah, If I recall correctly, college football ratings have been going up as NFL ratings have been slowly going down. Us fans have no problem with the games going slightly longer when they're as intense as yesterday's games.
Well said Rich. Well said! The league is on dodgy ground with reviewing judgement calls. Where does it end? Do we review the personal foul on Brady that wasn't? Holding calls?
@@olewis1000 pi is a judgement call. I've lost count how many times people have disagreed. Of course it's a judgement call. Now. Maybe there's a way to review pi because it IS so costly at times. But not every pi is as obvious as that one.
No this is not the answer. Just let coaches be able to challenge pass interference calls. There is no reason a ref should just be able to buzz down a penalty after seeing replay because that will make people think the league is even more rigged.
I think the officials were horrible all day long for both games. There were MULTIPLE plays where rams defenders hugged the saints receivers while the ball was in the air. Even the INT both of Fowler’s hands were grabbing Brees’ facemask... whereas in the patriots game Brady got a penalty for being touched on the chest... wtf is going on if it’s not rigged
The laughable thing is the helmet to helmet. I counted no less than three and one knocked Hill out of the game. And they consistently say they care about player safety....my three year old knows better. Don't insult me.
Before a refeee makes a crucial call that, in this case, could negatively impact the home tam's chances, they should consider this: *Remember Where You Are.*
Pereira needs to shut up. Coaches can already challenge up to 3 times per game. Allowing them to throw a challenge flag on either a called or uncalled penalty would not significantly lengthen the game. He acts like only having 1.2 challenges per game means there are only 1-2 replays per game. Every touchdown and every turnover already gets reviewed. That means that the total number of reviews in an average game, including challenges, is around 10. If coaches get to challenge penalties and non-calls that number might go from 10 up to about 12 or 13. That's going to add 5 minutes to a game that takes over 3 hours and he thinks that's more important than insuring the proper outcome?
I wish the NFL would quit saying people won't be patient with longer games to try to fight replays. At least have them in the final two minutes when a game can be decided on one play when the other team runs out of time to make up for terrible calls. Everyone -absolutely everyone including the players, the coaches, the owners, the fans, the NFL and God knows what happened - the Saints were screwed by the Refs in the last minutes - but the game went unfairly. Its total disrespect and integrity is loss. I say everyone and God should stick it to the NFL for their bogus play calling! Even a robot out there would be better than what we've seen.
That call should not have been missed. Every call should be reviewable no matter when. The season is far too short, every play matters, especially during the playoffs!
Mike, your idea is the BEST. And, who cares if a game is longer, when the NFL can have more advertisers and make more money. This was a crucial NON-CALL PLAY. Another point, what is to say that 1 more Ref wouldn't reinforce THAT NON-CALL PLAY?
Non of this would be an issue had Tommy lee Lewis stayed down on the ground and acted as if he was hurt by the helmet to helmet hit that he had to be aware of, not jumped back up and ran back to the huddle not even upset about the play? You know they would have reviewed and made the right call (at least one of them) had he done that! I also cant believe that these things are still happening, first Dez now this? Almost cant wait for Vince McMahon to get the XFL back up and running in 2020 so we can get back to some real football? If the world series can go for 18 innings lets not worry about things as this when an entire season is on the line during the post season...just get it right for crying out load!
Rich I love your show and your wisdom. Thanks for all you do. This NFL .. Worst call in the history of professional sports is just fuel for the fire!... FYI before my Dad died I asked him what things do you see happening after you are gone. He said a few things and one of them was ..You will see in your lifetime that the NFL is fixed! Hmmm Things that make you go Hmmm. I'm just saying maybe Mike Pereria is right with an eigth official for just this reason to check and balance this kind of play call. I would like to hear how much money was swung in Las Vegas with that call. Is the official now the owner of a home in Bahamas?! Thanks for letting me vent. Signed Saints Fan Tommy.
6:35... and, is there a problem with making the game take LONGER to play if it actually enhances fan enjoyment? Is there a problem if it actually helps enhance the CREDIBILITY of the game?
So its a missed call! Ok....Saints still get a field goal, and now leading 23/20 And had lead the entire game, except when it was tied, LATE....Now there is 1:40 left in the game, and the Rams kick a 57 yard field goal to tie...Isn't anyone first looking at, the Saints defense that had stifled the Rams offense most of the game, blowing it on the last drive? Then looking at the average of making a 57 yard field goal? Come on, 1 missed call, in a game where there is an average of 140 to 160 plays? I hate how they've dissected the game. That play did not stop a touchdown, yes it would have been first down, but still no one knows if the Saints still wouldn't have had to score with a field goal. Too many if's....Saints fans you need to blame your defense! Not the Ref's
That was a terrible missed call!! They also missed a face mask on the Saints in the red zone that would have given the Rams a 1st down!! That game wasnt over on that play it went into overtime and they LOST!! GET OVER IT!!!
I'd like to see the NFL have a full 15min overtime. Who ever is standing tops when the OT is over wins. In the postseason, at last a full 15min followed by a sudden death. Make teams defend their lead so its more of a total team effort.
So there was that one blown p.i. call. Refs did not throw a yellow flag when: - Rams QB Jared Goff was facemasked - Rams WR Brandin Cooks was held - Rams WR Brandin Cooks was also facemasked - Saints player illegally chop-blocked a Rams' defender - Saints defensive player stomped on Rams' head/neck - Saints player taunted head coach Sean McVay - Saints QB Drew Brees didn't get the snap off in time. Delay of game - Saints offensive line held all game long, like they held all game long in the Week 9 Rams/Saints game. The Goff facemask penalty would have put the Rams at the goal line, down 3 points with a 1st Down. Rams would've been up 4 points with less than 5 minutes left after punching it in for a TD. Funny how the media chooses to obsess over one thing and ignore everything else.
So what about the face mask on Brees during the interception what about the pi on the same trash corer against Ted ginn what about the delay of game where the rams got a magic time out the holding on pj Williams attempted sack the bogus holding call on armstead but apparently you only watched half of the game
At least in the playoffs and Superbowl each team should get a chance to score in overtime. Letting a coin toss have so much power is ridiculous in my opinion.
I think its because there are so many cameras that capture every angle of every play. On top of that TV networks replay these events all of the time. I dont blame it on the Officials at all.
I don't disagree with either guy's argument overall, but I would have to disagree with Rich's point that the fan's would need a human element still in place on controversial/challengeable plays. I think most fans just want to see the call be right, that's the main issue here. Secondly, just because a coach throws a red flag on the field doesn't mean that we see who is in Secaucus, New Jersey analyzing these replays, so we are already WAY past the point of having a human being visible to the fans on challenges, not to mention the fact that under 2 minutes the booth can review all scoring and out of bounds plays. Overall, I think a happy medium here would be to make ALL plays/calls under 2 minutes reviewable, so maybe giving the coach an 'Under 2-minute Bonus Challenge', since those are the most crucial times of each half. Just my take on it
There is a philosophy in the NFL that has totally embraced the offense. There are so many holds by the offensive linemen that are nor called, it's ridiculous. Same with receivers pushing off D backs which the Steelers have turned into an art form. Pick plays have gotten ridiculous. Personally, I believe it's taken away from the competitive nature of the game. Defenses are helpless. You can only compete when the athleticism is allowed to manifest itself equally and that is not the case right now.
I would much rather extend the game and get it right than not. There's aready a million commercials in a broadcast. So it's okay to extend the game for revenue, but not to get it right?
So refreshing to hear two level headed human beings with actual ties to the game, discuss solutions without going nuts with rigging and fixing BS. Thanks guys. I thought I was in the twilight zone til this point.
Question for Rich: Why wouldn't the regular refs on the field be influenced by the crowd or others around them? (E.G., 2018, week 15, Chiefs vs Chargers, last minute of regulation.)
Obvious referee mistake = intentional referee mistake = rigged game. All entertainment businesses utilize scripts to maximize their profit. What's the problem?
Suspend him FOR WHAT??? You don't suspend players for ref no-calls!!! The player caused a penalty. He did not committ a crime. It is football. Penalties happen all the time in football. It is up to the refs to call most of the infractions, not all of them. Human error happens!
@Maynard Runkle I like the FDR reference at the end. Yes, Coleman will be fined for helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver. Coleman admitted that he knew he was going to commit PI. But, I don't think that he meant to injure the player. Let him play
For most of us life long Saints fans, we can take a loss. However, we are curious to know why the refs did not make the obvious calls. What were their reasons? Was there bias or corruption in this case? The NFL needs to address these questions.
Remember when games were fun to watch without constant replays. You saw most plays once, not the constant replaying of even the most boring plays. Back in the day, would see a play that was exceptional or contested a second time, not every play. Today's announcers seem compelled to evaluate and discuss the most mundane plays like were listening on the radio vs. on TV. Too much talk with too little insight is so tedious. And the endless commercials are so distracting. Thank God we have DVR's and can selective edit out watching. Contested calls are so time consuming & stop the momentum of the game. I like Eisen's plan.
You are more worried about making the game 3 minutes longer than getting the call right??? Adding an 8th official will not help. Pereira himself admitted that 3 officials blew this call (10:46), don't need another set of blind eyes to miss it. Give the coach the option to challenge. In the end you get the call right and the NFL gets to avoid this type of embarrassment in the future.
They don't need a recall. They saw the play. They looked right at in and still did not make the call. They need to fire refs, not change the rules every time something happens. Also, they need to investigate refs to see if there was any reason they decided not to make the most obvious call on the planet.
Reviewing every play will NOT extend the game! EVERY PLAY CURRENTLY in the NFL is replayed immediately following the down. Both in the stadiums as well as on TV, we all watch them. This is ALREADY occurring!! Furthermore, games are HELD UP currently for TV commercials to complete, EXTENDING the game today more than it needs to be. Finally, not EVERY PLAY has a controversial play that needs any extensive review. This time is ALREADY BUILT INTO THE GAME!!! This game extension argument is BS!!!
The refs obviously were caving to the accusations by the Rams and their fans about how the Saints would get favorable calls in order to get Brees into another Super Bowl.
Coaches should be allowed challenges under 2 mins and get 1 referee challenge flag where they can challenge any call in the game. Also once the play clock hits 15 seconds it should be on the QB to call a TO not the coach
That has to be one of the worst non call I have ever seen. I'm not even a Saints fan. That was unprecedented!!
You should win IDIOT comment of the year!
ive seen similar calls and they do nothing about it, just cry is all, just move on, you no ones going to do anything so why even say anything.
Hey Rich...to add something positive here. Great stuff man! I'm a Saints fan, and I really appreciate all of this exposure. If this was 10 years ago, I wouldn't be that upset. But we are not getting another the likes of Drew Brees, and we know he doesn't have many years left. Thanks for your earnest approach. Much appreciation again. Way to go. Who Dat!
Yeah 10 yrs ago refs helped u win nfc crown so of course youd say that ... what goes around comes around n sunday it came around ...
@Oliver ClothesOff Plus they were cheated out of a Super Bowl on receivers getting mugged with no call PI calls against the Pat. The ones that got in on the "Tuck Rule."
@Oliver ClothesOff Yeah, a hypocrite Rams fan who is ignoring the fact that the Saints would have STILL had the lead if that PI is called on the Rams CB because it would have put the Saints at First and 10 deep deep in the Rams redzone. Where the Saints would have most likely scored. So the score would have been 24-27 Saints. Stop it.
@Oliver ClothesOff Oh and you're also ignoring the BLATANT facemask on Brees by Fowler on that INT. He had BOTH hands on Brees's facemask. Gtfoh.
WHO DAT!!!!!!!!
Still can’t believe not one official threw a flag. Could have thrown it late. Usually on play like this there is at least 3 flags on the ground. Nobody can defend the refs in this and yet still not a word from the league
Actually one of the officials wanted to throw his flag, but he was told NOT too in the Saints game.
@@samanthaivy6813 yep
He reached for the flag and decided Nahh. Thats not a missed call thats a NO CALL
It was not a bad missed call. It was a "Deliberate No-Call" with the intention to manipulate a game.
Really? What's your evidence for such a wild accusation?
@@kokoken1 I really hope your query is based on hyperbole or shear sarcasm. But, to answer your question, look at the footage. All the evidence is laid out for you.
Right
Amen. Deliberate picking of winners and losers
So the Brady vs. Brees potential is nothing but conjecture right? That would easily have made higher ratings and dollars than Goff vs. Brady.
I stopped watching nba and college basketball because the reffs control to much of the outcomes. NFL is turning into that.
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Same
Bryan Smith some how James harden got foul by this comment
Correct.
I don't enjoy NBA as much either. It started around the time they started giving technical fouls for arguing calls. That softened the accountability of the refs.
I don’t think it was a missed call it was a deliberate no call.
Yep
Officiating have absolutely ruined the NFL
They're employed by the NFL. Same thing.
thats a stretch. Every major league needs something fixed. Im a massive nba fan and refs are defs out of control in that league as well
@michael x Lol go drink water you seem flustered
@michael x I am not sure what point are you addressing, sir! Caps are not needed
Jethro Jacinto NFL was the best reffed sport in the world 10 years ago. now they are slowly creeping into NBA territory.
I'm done with the nfl. This was flat out cheating by the refs. I won't be watching next year
Lork Lorkman u are so right it's like watching a fake ass movie
Me too
The NFL has ALWAYS been fake. The thing is... they can't admit it.
Think about it, if the NFL admitted it was all a show then they would lose revenue overall.
People would still watch yes, but there is much less emotional investment in a 'team' you know is being helped.
Just like in wrestling, we would still have our favorites, but we DAMN sure wouldn't be packing stadiums with
70,000+ people at $200 a ticket and buying expensive ass Jersey's to brag about a team following a script.
WWE Better bro. they fake it better . NFL TRASH
Im not watching the Superbowl
Reffs have sucked all damn year.
Dude, the refs have ALWAYS sucked!! Doesn't matter what era or what games. Its been a fucking joke. No fucking denying it.
Bryan Smith and that was the culmination of it & on the biggest stage other than the Super Bowl
@@olewis1000 LOL Trump probably paid em to do that hahaha
NBA fans nightmare every game but in NFL its one game so stakes are MUCH higher. Brutal look BUT... maybe sean payton shouldnt have thrown on the first down.. or Brees shouldnt have thrown a pick..
@@yuvraj94 I agree completely. That's why I stopped watching nba and college.
To the people that are saying “Saints fans, you lost. Get over it.”...Get over it, you say? Well, let me explain why we aren’t. The NFL is the same NFL that orchestrated a witch-hunt in the way of Bountygate to try and rectify their concussion situation through a campaign to show the NFL cares about injuries. After the appeal, players won with backing of the NFLPA. Tagliabue came in to judge the appeal, he overruled Goodell’s ruling, and the players were able to play. Meanwhile, even though our players were proven innocent in the appeal, Goodell still upheld the suspension he cast upon Sean Payton. So, we had a coach suspended over a year for something that didn’t exist. However, before that, this is the same NFL that sent cease and desist letters to local New Orleans businesses for using the phrase “Who Dat” on custom T-shirt’s. The NFL, wanting to cash in on the Saints success, tried to claim ownership to a phrase that they cared nothing about prior. The NFL came at innocent businesses and tried to bully their way around. It didn’t work. They failed. The NFL didn’t own the phrase “Who Dat”. Now, here we are. The Saints had a Super Bowl berth taken from them by the same NFL that allowed two Los Angeles residing officials to officiate the Los Angeles Rams game in New Orleans where the most obvious pass interference call wasn’t called....and you want us to get over it?...Not happening.
Martin...I've read well over 500 comments on various videos about this playoff game. Over 80
..over 80 percent are useless opinions. Most say the same thing so many others said. Your points are rare here, but you connected relevant "dots". Football is a business. Sadly, most adults know so little about business. I've read thousands of their comments on basic business topics. Over 90 percent of those comments also are proving they know so little about problem solving even basics about business.
The same ones defending this bs probably like to talk about Brady's cheating.
jusayen so Thank you
@@joshuahaddock6431 ...Yep. They contradict themselves all the time. It's sad to see so many alleged knowledgeable fans demean the proven talents of Brady and even Belichick. Obviously, they don't want to respect these smart men. They will nitpick so irrationally all the time. The fact is, simple minded people don't like to face reality that they are quite stupid. Belichick is one of the greatest minds in coaching in so many facets of the game. They even go so far as to say "I don't care who wins the Superbowl, as long as it's not the Patriots". Yes, stupid people have always been jealous of others who put in way more effort at learning so much more than them. Guess what every last one of them would say if they went to dinner, and the waitress made many mistakes, and the cooks burnt their food. But the manager said to them, "hey!! I like to hire idiots because they can't quit since nobody else will hire them". These Brady and Belichick haters will call the manager "crazy". They want the most for THEIR money spent! That's why the Patriots owner pays them so well. So many idiot fans really have little understanding of the sport and the good lessons it teaches. Teaching!!?? Did I just say the T word!? How dare I!
What pisses me off is that during regular season they called pass interference if you even breathe on a receiver, but then they get to the most critical games of the year and they decide they’re not going to call them, if its a rule its a rule, there shouldn’t be a difference from regular season vs playoffs, thats not how rule enforcement is supposed to be. Refs just didn’t want to make a call and be in the spotlight, but they picked such a blatant infraction not to throw a flag. Peoples lives and fortunes are impacted by such an egregious non-call. Not fair for either team!
Yes. And in fact a no call is a call for the other side.
WITH ALL THE REPLAY AND TECHNOLOGY THESE DAYS.... HOW IN THE HELL ARE THE REFS THE WORST EVER IN NFL HISTORY!!!?
Christian Juneau You just answered your own question..😂
Say what you will about the CFL, they figured this out years ago. A grey cup was won because of a coaches challenge on a DPI that wasnt called and was reversed to be called a penalty, setting them up in fg position I believe.
Can't remember which grey cup that was,google search time.
Jordan johson, unless it's obviously missed pass interference, what you are doing is substituting one person's subjective judgment for another's persons.P.I. penalties are haphazardly judged with no consistent standard.DB.'s have been flagged for just reaching out and touching the guy with no pushing or grabbing involved. all the Myriad suggestions predicated on the notion that there is a definitive and discernible standard. Absent that the only way to be close to a hundred percent right is to not allow any contact between the receiver and defensive players Beyond batting the ball away which would lead to 90% completion rates.
They missed the helmet to helmet call on the saints TE that got knocked out
WHAT ABOUT THE MISSED FACE MASK ON JARED GOFF THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE RAMS FIRST AND GOAL ON THE ONE YARD LINE. THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SCORED A TOUCHDOWN THAT WOULD HAVE PUT THEM AHEAD 24-20 INSTEAD OF HAVING TO KICK A FIELD GOAL.
@@brianrichards4512 ^^^^^^^^^^
OMG it wasn't helmet tell helmet he led with shoulder and helmet made incidental contact it's how they've been calling it basically all season. How bout the 2 facemasks horsecollar and curbstomp that was ignored? Yea exactly.
brian richards what difference does that make? Call the pi its first and goal from the 3, same thing.
@@brianrichards4512 THEN THEY CALL THE MISSED PI & SAINTS GET THE BALL @THE 4 YRD LINE AND GET 4 CHANCES FOR A TD TO WIN THE GAME 27-24!
So a game is longer??? The NFL is number 1 on TV!!! They only play 16 games during a season.
They must be able to get it right.
you are so right what else did we have to do......lol
Dump some of the commercials in lieu of more replays. Yeah...that'll happen.
Its the nfl and vegas mafia making the calls lol
They don't need no fine they need to be fired none of them need never to wear uninform again
I agree with Rich here. Why can't a coach directly challenge a poor referee action? Fans DON'T CARE about game length if the change takes care of terrible things like the missed call which just happened.
Why is Pereira sooooo fixated on time?
Richard...Your points make sense. Mike P. is obviously skipping some real reasons why time of games is so important. I think it has to do with the business side of the nfl. Sunday is the biggest day for viewership. Televised games start at noon (central time) and end at around 10:30 pm. That's 3 full games. Advertising money is critical. If one noon game overlaps the next scheduled game too often, advertisers lose millions of viewers. If Mike P. and many other well paid sports "analysts" told the whole truth, it would wake up fans about the business greed factor in professional sports that they always prefer to stay away from as much as possible. Notice that nobody has mentioned what I just mentioned. That makes my comment harder to believe! Secrets are secrets for a reason. If people think we are being told the whole truth, they don't know how many secrets there are that most consumers are not educated on as they spend their money.
True and you dont have to extend rthe numbers of challenges. As long as you have Timeouts you can challenge. EXCUSES!!!
@@jusayenso8186 yeah , that does make perfect sense now that you explained it, and I Do believe your comment.. have not thought about it from that "greed" perspective before, cause I Am just a fan and, want the game to be officiated fairly, even if it takes a few minutes longer.....I agree with Eisen and Richard Steiner......and I'm getting quite an education reading all these comments.
@@vanillarose ...Your comment is so rare. If only others would learn how important it is to be a student of business, pro sports and life in general. Objective thinking is critical. Sadly, it requires effort and time. But it's absolutely necessary. Otherwise, it's impossible to have an open mind.
Narrow minds are similar to driving a car while looking through a narrow 3by3 inch windshield, but not knowing it. You will have to drive so slow, and can only see so little. To keep having an open mind absolutely requires looking at issues with perspective. Acquiring perspective requires putting in the research time. But it's actually fun to keep learning. Anyone can buy a bigger windshield for a car. But learning how to become to more accurate (it's impossible to be perfectly right on everything)at problem solving anything cannot be simply bought.
I still put in way more time researching so much every week. I honesty believe you are way ahead of the pack. Anyone can be an expert on one topic. Don't let that fool you that they are "wise" or telling the whole truth. Look at the divorce rate. Look at all the cheating spouses or gold diggers. People love to hide their true colors. I have so much respect for people who think objectively. They also acquire a huge advantage in knowing how to see signs of biased information or people who shouldn't be trusted.
I'm sure you know plenty of things I don't know. Your rare comment proves you have an open mind. Many actually don't, and ironically, they think they know so much. Too funny!!
@@jusayenso8186 Yes. Its about ad dollars to a large extent regarding time. However, those short term benefits are screwing the fans who are consumers and they are turning off their base. They will continue to do this and as they do more and more boycotts and loss in ad revenue will cost them.
This is pathetic. Nfl needs to fix this man
There's just no way a team of seven professional refs with next-gen equipment all saw that and unanimously decided that it wasn't PI. I think the NFL has drawn a line in the sand letting us know what it is. They will have games end in a manner that THEY desire, not what the game or the players desire.
What will this change do for the Saints this year? Nothing.
The win should be taken from the Rams and given to the Saints, who literally won the game.
buzzmeister meister what about the calls the they missed on the Rams. The face mask on Goff. The Rams only got 3 points on that drive.
buzzmeister meister Overtime settled it. Saints had their chances even after that. Everyone taking the easy excuse.
and they should recall the face mask against Jerod Goff , then the rams would have had a touchdown instead of 3 points," What an idiot "! lets just replay every penalty and protest every call until the out come arrives at a Saints Win!!!!!
@@garynickelsen1623 does kinda sound like the argument, I'll admit. Could we have a better replay system....maybe. However the narrative of well this particular play ends the game if a penalty is called could be done throughout history and likely would change a lot of outcomes. But then you get into, which other calls earlier in the game would have been looked at and how would those have affected how the game even plays out after. It's a sicky situation, but the Saints didn't lose the game because of one call. Fans are choosing to look at it that way, which I can understand, they are upset.
@@TeeeDay not an apples to apples argument dude. I agree there are fouls on every play. But c'mon, the little bitty face mask vs the blatant pass Interference. You must be one of the 5 Rams fans. Lol
Why is the game being long made into such an issue? Who wouldn't want to see mahomes get a chance in OT or who wouldn't to get all the calls right to ensure as fair a game as possible?
A problem I see with the whole "Mahomes should get a chance" is what happens if both teams score a touchdown? Brady gets ball back on third possession and scores, we will then continue to say "Mahomes should have had another chance" and it'll go over and over since both teams had the capabilities of scoring. At the end of the day it's a team game, a team should be able to trust the defense to stop a touchdown, not even asking them to stop a field goal, just a touchdown.
@@SetsunaE Agree - which is tougher, going 75 yards for a TD or getting a stop and getting into field goal range? The point of NFL OT rules is to end the game as quickly as possible so teams aren't playing an additional quarter or more. Maybe for the Super Bowl both teams should get one chance, but definitely not during any other games.
OMGMytharix not really most people just want it to be where the other teams offense atleast gets one chance. And if your defense couldn’t stop them the second time then so be it.
The TV networks doesn't want the football game to interfere with different shows.
Getting it wrong isn't a bug, it's a feature (for the NFL).
I'm finding it harder and harder to watch the NFL with any passion these days. Only watched about half the Super Bowl last year. This year may skip it.
Yeah, skip it. And trust me. Nobody will even care.
You’re right nobody cares you didn’t watch
The mechanics of those two officials were the problem. Suspect call was created by league expectations and the subjective reaction of those two officials. The flags should have been dropped and then adjudicated by the officials. Flags get picked up regularly.
Officials weren't doing their jobs.
Yes they were doing there job. NFL told them who needs to win but keep it close. They had too do this, bc Saints were getting too close to finishing rams off. They did exactly what refs jobs are.
Audit The Fed it’s hard not to believe that now to be honest.
The officials did the jobs they were paid to by bookies or by someone at the league who wanted to give the Rams the game. No group of officials is so blind or incompetent that they wouldn't have known EXACTLY what they were doing.
@@bwinms1 Exactly
How about this? Let's acknowledge that that entire crew earned that assignment, BUT if I were Al Riveron, how about suspending the side judge and down judge from the playoffs next year -- sort of a probation? If they get a playoff assignment in 2020, it's because Riveron is satisfied that those officials can make the clutch call at the key moment and get it right.
Nice consolation prize for the Saints
This is such an egregious no-call they should be BANNED from officiating any NFL game ever. It was that historically bad call. They are either incompetent or they were paid off, either way, they can't officiate another game.
@@jdog6620 I agree. they ARE incompetent - at cheating !! they picked SUCH an OBVIOUS, blatant, BAD, time to do it, they got caught, so now, the Whole World knows, and whoever did pay them off is probably not too pleased with them -- OR,..... maybe they are VERY pleased and gave them a bonus ! cause they achieved the result they wanted ! ..... They are probably all rich enough now, they don't NEED to ever work another game..... I know, I sound awful.... I am just so angry, and Sad, for all of us ....us fans, the players, and the coaches, who really do love the game of football......the NFL, and Goodell, and the officials, and whoever else is involved, have ruined it......
2 refs had perfect views (5 FT and 10-15 FT away) both were looking at that time. What, they both thought the defender wasn't early? Neither one thought it was helmet to helmet? Guess their not concerned about concussions anymore. Come on guys! The refs INTENTIONALLY helped the Rams (also Patriots) because that is what the league owners would've wanted.
rob feld the Refs didn’t let the Rams march down field and make a FG to tie the game. The refs didn’t give the saints the ball in OT and make Brees throw a pick. I agree it was a blown call and Saints should’ve won but it wasn’t called and that doesn’t guarantee a team to the Super Bowl after he call.
@@samrivera4736 THAT DOESN'T MATTER! Intentional no calls have no place in sports. Well, apperenrly they r all over sports but shouldn't be. People bet on these rigged games. Why haven't we heard from Rodger Goodell on this? Because he will get caught in lies if he opened his mouth on this issue. I'm not a fan of saints, in fact I was pissed when saints won SB because it was obvious that it was a, Katrina feel good story. That's why saints aren't very mad about this, they know that they already had their feel good story. Now its LA's, new city, feel good story. My gut says Patriots will win and because Rams were handed a free SB trip, less fans will be pist about Patriots winning again!
The ref told the defender pass was tipped. 😂 not even close
@@sheffrudytke1086 so, the ref saw a tip but not the head spear 5 feet away? Lol. Yeah riiigghhttt, ok. I'm laughing with u by the way
Yes. Its enough circumstantial evidence to believe the fix was on.
Too bad about the Saints because it looks like they were robbed on a blown call near the end of regulation which the NFL will probably stonewall like they've done on the CTE issue. The CFL lets coaches challenge referee calls (or non-calls), but the NFL is too full of itself for this to happen.
Refs should be fined or suspended when obvious calls are missed when they're standing right there or bad calls that change the game are made. If the NFL fines or suspends players according to what they do in the game, refs need to be held accountable too.
I disagree because a decision was made and it needs to stand. How would you like it if your boss decided that you are not getting the account you thought that you worked hard for and gave it to someone else.. Are you going to tell your boss that you are going to sue . You just suck it up and move on keep getting a paycheck every week. Brees is still getting his 80 million, or whatever he is getting and we’re still living from pay check to paycheck. LOL. Football is a fast moving game and decisions have to be made in a very short amount of time. There have been and will continue to be a lot of bad calls in the NFL or any sport for that matter. In overtime, each team should get a change to touch ball and the opportunity to win the game and not the team who won the toss. That's not fair. That rushing the passer call on Brady was B.S. Nobody is saying anything about that. Or the Chiefs interception TD was overturned because of some line scrimmage call. Fans lost a lot of money on that game and along with high emotions is causing this issue to get way too much attention than it deserves. That TD that Jesse James made against the Pats was ruled not a TD, and it was clearly a TD. That Jets TD was ruled not a TD. I could go on and on. What the heck a catch? At the end of the day, the Refs are given the authority to make decisions and the NFL needs to stand with the Refs. Don’t make the Refs a pawn and fire them because they have families and responsibility just like we do. Entertainment sport should not be this serious. If your team wins...congrats and if your team loses, better luck next time.
So Saints players should be fined to for giving up 13-0 lead at HOME. LOL. Sometimes people are just dumb
This has happened in every game I've watched in the 2018 NFL season. You'll always see this one play that cannot be explained. Everyone will see that a clear penalty has occurred but the officials will just ignore it. It will happen in the Super Bowl. I knew it was going to happen in the Saints/Rams game because it happens in EVERY game.
Yes your exactly right that's why something needs to be done about it
Exactly these missed/no-calls happen every week and will keep happening. NFL needs to change. Its going downhill
I don’t care how good you are, it’s IMPOSSIBLE to beat 11 defenders and 7 officials ! One man (official) should NOT have that level of control over the fate of so many, without repercussion. One man can end careers, end seasons, cost players and teams millions and potentially profit himself. I’m NOT a Saints fan, but wrong is wrong. One official, standing five steps away, who was from California, decided who went to the Super Bowl. 🇺🇸
totally agree with you. So undeniably, Wrong.
Talk bout the refs history how they was pulling for the Rams it was a family fix period rigged game
I heard about that and I agree with you.
Yep brotha they got the pics on Facebook the ref that was on the sideline who saw the play and Sean Payton ran up to him, dude played for the Rams and falcons it was a non call to push the Rams in
Bernard Ainsworth thank u
Bernard Ainsworth it wasn’t rigged
The NFL has preached "player safety" for a few years now and yet crickets from Goodell on this helmet to helmet non call (actually two of them). I guess "player safety" is only important when they want it to be.
They're given 15 minutes for OT, they should play the whole thing. Still tied after that, they go for another until someone legitimately wins when time runs out. Heard one of the announcers yesterday say, its like starting a new 4 quarters. That's how it should be, let the teams play as long as needed one extra quarter at a time.
Just do what they do in college.
Football is too violent and taxing to have players play an extra 30 minutes. The rules suck but it's set up that way to prevent letting it linger that long
@@dewknow1315 based on what they in college you get the same result. Brees threw a pick.
@@blakeharris58 the college over time rules are way better then the NFL OT rules its a fact.
Naw Sudden Death is best
I like Rich Eisen's plan better
I actually LOVE football. But, after watching crooked NBA refs ruin basketball...I am sick. I do NOT watch basketball due to MOB influence. Now...screw football. The NFL just lost a fan. I'm SURE they don't give a damn. GREAT !! The jerk ref who openly and intentionally did this should NEVER be allowed to even CALL the freaking Fire Department. Why do I think all of this is clearly rigged ? Because we WATCHED it!!! NOBODY is calling for the head of this ref. Bill !!! If us John-Q hardwirkers screw up like that...WE GET FIRED !!! FIRE THIS GUY. BUT YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES FOR KEEPING HIM???!!! If I were a Saints player, I would put my foot so far up that ref's butt, he could shine my shoes with his tongue. And help us had that ref been Black. This guy's comments would have been more convicting. But hey...Ameruca's great again. Now watch the racists shift on my comment.
The NFL shouldn't allow officials from the same reigon as the play off teams officiate the game.
I like Rich's plan better too....Clearly the "League" will not.... It's too fair ...and will make it harder for them to continue doing what they are doing.....
I’m a Cowboys fan and the Saints got screwed!
Integrity creates the space that allows enjoyment. Without it you have bought entertainment. Let us all reflect on what Goodells closet intentions are...
The refs that have aged out need to go. The game is too fast for them to keep up
Jett Rink Is
the refs were only doing what the league office ordered them to do. just find some kind of way to get that certain pre-determined team to win. we'll leave it up to y'all on how you do it, but JUST DO IT!!!
@@satanlaffing I'm having the same conversation with someone else on this site as I type. It's Soo obvious!
@@stormteam3004 it was obvious in 2001 when the raiders got cheated. Everyone saw brady fumble. but, it was the 9/11 season so of course the league is going to push the team named the "patriots" whose colors are red, white & blue. they tried to give the giants that push cause it would've made for "the greatest story" but they sucked too much & it would've been EXTREMELY obvious, so they went another way. the pats were doing good so they went with them. & come to find out the chiefs ALSO got cheated, so what does that tell ya?
They did not miss anything !!!! It happened right in front of him ... he was looking right at it..... look at all the pictures and tape and then you will know...
The NFL will lose a whole lot of viewers cause the officials is fans too and never know who they want to win or is there any foul play going on? Never can tell. Mike Pereira don't want to blame the refs cause he used to be a ref.
The real travesty is the Chiefs not getting a chance to put their offense on the field in OT. Offense is king in the new NFL, and one of the best QBs in the NFL doesn't even get a shot on the field in OT. (Stats show winner of OT coin toss wins 10% more.)
okrajoe well that's what a defense is for
Agreed. Both teams should get playing time!
NFL is fixed
no one wanted the saints in the super bowl
Right saints get 1st down at the 3.... Are u serious. That was a NON CALL.
Anyone remember the Pat Summerall and John Madden era where they *DIDN'T NEED* a Mike Pereira from the referee association to explain the ass-backwards officiating every freaking week? The networks have to resort to have folks like Pereira come in during games or interviews, days, and weeks after trying to do mental gymnastics to explain the garbage that's been displayed by the league's referees. It's been gradually getting worse for years now but Gooddell and the NFL have refused to address the problem. This is ONE main reason why I've stopped watching NFL games over the past few seasons. Got tired of seeing referees manipulating the outcome of games.
"Game will be too long" is a complaint coming from the TV broadcasters, not the fans.
Rich...Good point. All these well paid football analysts know to stay away from certain real business reasons why they keep selling that longer games will be a problem. Somehow, I think it has to do with Sunday games. This is the day where televised games start at noon (central time) and end after the Sunday night game. I think league wants to avoid one game overlapping the next too often. Tv advertising is huge money for the nfl. Each commercial missed due to overlapping games is going to cost the league big profits since advertisers will obviously draft contracts that include huge cuts in money they pay the league based on the viewership stats which are tracked on every game. Always follow the money trail!
Los Angeles Rams just trying to increase fan base pay attention LeBron James LA Lakers so la is trying to be a Powerhouse again. SMH!! THE NFL IS ROBBING TEAMS
You fine them! Then they'll learn to get it right. You fine him if it's blatant and not throw the flag. If you throw the flag and find out there's no penalty, pick up the flag, no fine. But if it's that blatant and you don't throw the flag, then you are not doing your job so you shouldn't get paid anyway. Fine them!
No, then you are just going to get a rainstorm of yellow flags. Just let there be the invisible 8th person in the booth upstairs. The fans will be fine with a proper overturning if it has video and an explanation or whatever.
Fine them who cares they will be stilled be paid by Vegas
@@wealthychef what is gonna make an invisible 8th official in the booth be any less corrupt than the others there on the ground ? Mike himself in the interview says they will all be part of the same "officiating crew", ..so there will just be 8 corrupt officials instead of 7...... I totally agree with Rich's idea that the COACH should be able to challenge..and anything the COACH wants to be reviewed , SHOULD be ! .. ..take at least a LITTLE control away from those cheating ref's and give it to the Coach, he's smart enough not to waste a bunch of time and red flags on every little thing, but if he has that power, then he can at LEAST be able to challenge that type of blatant cheating that happened in that game......Mike just sounds like a mouthpiece/politician that Goodell sent to say crap to "placate" people......excuses and over complicating and delaying what should be a simple fix...(No ex football players from LA, or Anywhere, should be able to officiate at ALL, for starters....funny how they manage to avoid talkin bout THAT)....I could see Rich not falling for it and getting just as sick of listening to his bs as I was.!....and yes I get your "rainstorm of yellow flags" concern, but there has to be SOME kinda accountability for the really blatant stuff for the refs, a warning, a fine, suspension, SOMETHING,...???? after readin all the stuff about the ref bein an ex Ram, which I had NO idea went on, I'm just as ready as everybody else, to quit the NFL, which is very very sad....
So how do you keep the officiating team accountable if there are no ramifications for a very obvious penalty missed?
As a Saints fan, fire the ref who was on TommyLee Lewis. All 5 eligible receivers have their own ref spotting them, so that ref obviously wasn't doing his job and focusing on something other than the receiver. The foul wasn't hidden or obscured, the error was 100% the ref. Fire him to send a message, no change is needed in replay. Hire him back in a year or 2? Fine, but we need to shake the refs up to focus them
SMH this cop-out about extending the game too long when ratings are off the charts and everyone and their brother is glued to their TV. NCAA OT rules are good for the business, entertainment and competition. Same bunch of negative nancy's didn't want two point conversions in the 80's and 90's, yet it didn't take long before everyone became happy with it.
Yeah, If I recall correctly, college football ratings have been going up as NFL ratings have been slowly going down. Us fans have no problem with the games going slightly longer when they're as intense as yesterday's games.
They wonder why ratings have dropped?
NFL National Fake League I am done #!#!
That wasn’t a mistake. Before the game that guy had already decided he was keeping his flag in his pocket. Rigged! Rigged! Rigged!
no controversy, the NFL is fixed, i hope it gets exposed
Well said Rich. Well said!
The league is on dodgy ground with reviewing judgement calls.
Where does it end?
Do we review the personal foul on Brady that wasn't?
Holding calls?
p 28 that wasn't a judgement call buy the rule book it was pass interference
@@olewis1000 pi is a judgement call.
I've lost count how many times people have disagreed.
Of course it's a judgement call.
Now. Maybe there's a way to review pi because it IS so costly at times. But not every pi is as obvious as that one.
@@olewis1000 when I say disagreed I mean some think it is pi some don't.
Not with this call but countless other not so clear cut incidences.
With a no-call, Refs are eyes wide shut...
No this is not the answer. Just let coaches be able to challenge pass interference calls. There is no reason a ref should just be able to buzz down a penalty after seeing replay because that will make people think the league is even more rigged.
I think the officials were horrible all day long for both games. There were MULTIPLE plays where rams defenders hugged the saints receivers while the ball was in the air. Even the INT both of Fowler’s hands were grabbing Brees’ facemask... whereas in the patriots game Brady got a penalty for being touched on the chest... wtf is going on if it’s not rigged
The laughable thing is the helmet to helmet. I counted no less than three and one knocked Hill out of the game. And they consistently say they care about player safety....my three year old knows better. Don't insult me.
Before a refeee makes a crucial call that, in this case, could negatively impact the home tam's chances, they should consider this: *Remember Where You Are.*
Pereira needs to shut up. Coaches can already challenge up to 3 times per game. Allowing them to throw a challenge flag on either a called or uncalled penalty would not significantly lengthen the game. He acts like only having 1.2 challenges per game means there are only 1-2 replays per game. Every touchdown and every turnover already gets reviewed. That means that the total number of reviews in an average game, including challenges, is around 10. If coaches get to challenge penalties and non-calls that number might go from 10 up to about 12 or 13. That's going to add 5 minutes to a game that takes over 3 hours and he thinks that's more important than insuring the proper outcome?
I wish the NFL would quit saying people won't be patient with longer games to try to fight replays. At least have them in the final two minutes when a game can be decided on one play when the other team runs out of time to make up for terrible calls. Everyone -absolutely everyone including the players, the coaches, the owners, the fans, the NFL and God knows what happened - the Saints were screwed by the Refs in the last minutes - but the game went unfairly. Its total disrespect and integrity is loss. I say everyone and God should stick it to the NFL for their bogus play calling! Even a robot out there would be better than what we've seen.
BS, only way2 correct this cluster"F" is2 REVERSE the call & give the win 2 the SAINTS. Anything else is unacceptable! PERIOD, END OF STORY!
That call should not have been missed. Every call should be reviewable no matter when. The season is far too short, every play matters, especially during the playoffs!
How about coaches being able to challenge penalties that were or weren't called?? That's an idea... keep them with 2 challenges per game but add that
@The Animal this can be beneficial for both offense and defense.. ex: an uncalled OPI
Everyone just want it right, no matter what team is playing
Mike, your idea is the BEST. And, who cares if a game is longer, when the NFL can have more advertisers and make more money. This was a crucial NON-CALL PLAY. Another point, what is to say that 1 more Ref wouldn't reinforce THAT NON-CALL PLAY?
Thumbs up for Mike's suggestion. I think it should be put out there and tested. I want to see if it works.
Non of this would be an issue had Tommy lee Lewis stayed down on the ground and acted as if he was hurt by the helmet to helmet hit that he had to be aware of, not jumped back up and ran back to the huddle not even upset about the play? You know they would have reviewed and made the right call (at least one of them) had he done that! I also cant believe that these things are still happening, first Dez now this? Almost cant wait for Vince McMahon to get the XFL back up and running in 2020 so we can get back to some real football? If the world series can go for 18 innings lets not worry about things as this when an entire season is on the line during the post season...just get it right for crying out load!
I remember that Giants and 49er game
Rich I love your show and your wisdom. Thanks for all you do. This NFL .. Worst call in the history of professional sports is just fuel for the fire!... FYI before my Dad died I asked him what things do you see happening after you are gone. He said a few things and one of them was ..You will see in your lifetime that the NFL is fixed! Hmmm Things that make you go Hmmm. I'm just saying maybe Mike Pereria is right with an eigth official for just this reason to check and balance this kind of play call. I would like to hear how much money was swung in Las Vegas with that call. Is the official now the owner of a home in Bahamas?! Thanks for letting me vent. Signed Saints Fan Tommy.
Film shows that Vinovich was looking at the play so what is Periera saying?? AND HELLO, it was on the scoreboard.
Pass interference is a devastating penalty. It should absolutely be reviewable.
Rich I agree with you. This is a game that decides which team goes to the Super Bowl. I believe the best person to do this are the coaches.
Investigate the officiating crew.
Then have the head ref in the booth like it should have been the past 10 years.
6:35... and, is there a problem with making the game take LONGER to play if it actually enhances fan enjoyment? Is there a problem if it actually helps enhance the CREDIBILITY of the game?
So its a missed call! Ok....Saints still get a field goal, and now leading 23/20 And had lead the entire game, except when it was tied, LATE....Now there is 1:40 left in the game, and the Rams kick a 57 yard field goal to tie...Isn't anyone first looking at, the Saints defense that had stifled the Rams offense most of the game, blowing it on the last drive? Then looking at the average of making a 57 yard field goal? Come on, 1 missed call, in a game where there is an average of 140 to 160 plays? I hate how they've dissected the game. That play did not stop a touchdown, yes it would have been first down, but still no one knows if the Saints still wouldn't have had to score with a field goal. Too many if's....Saints fans you need to blame your defense! Not the Ref's
That was a terrible missed call!! They also missed a face mask on the Saints in the red zone that would have given the Rams a 1st down!! That game wasnt over on that play it went into overtime and they LOST!! GET OVER IT!!!
I'd like to see the NFL have a full 15min overtime. Who ever is standing tops when the OT is over wins. In the postseason, at last a full 15min followed by a sudden death. Make teams defend their lead so its more of a total team effort.
So there was that one blown p.i. call. Refs did not throw a yellow flag when:
- Rams QB Jared Goff was facemasked
- Rams WR Brandin Cooks was held
- Rams WR Brandin Cooks was also facemasked
- Saints player illegally chop-blocked a Rams' defender
- Saints defensive player stomped on Rams' head/neck
- Saints player taunted head coach Sean McVay
- Saints QB Drew Brees didn't get the snap off in time. Delay of game
- Saints offensive line held all game long, like they held all game long in the Week 9 Rams/Saints game.
The Goff facemask penalty would have put the Rams at the goal line, down 3 points with a 1st Down. Rams would've been up 4 points with less than 5 minutes left after punching it in for a TD.
Funny how the media chooses to obsess over one thing and ignore everything else.
Dan Nájera if you give them the rams the face mask and the touchdown 24-20 so dat P.i still was a game changer
Dan Nájera FACTS!
@@nickjones9613 DON'T argue with fools
So what about the face mask on Brees during the interception what about the pi on the same trash corer against Ted ginn what about the delay of game where the rams got a magic time out the holding on pj Williams attempted sack the bogus holding call on armstead but apparently you only watched half of the game
Dan Nájera you are right.
Great job Mr Rich Eisen saints fans need an explanation
Nfl is becoming pro wrestling with this kind of deliberate manipulation of an outcome to such an important game!
At least in the playoffs and Superbowl each team should get a chance to score in overtime. Letting a coin toss have so much power is ridiculous in my opinion.
Longer Games? Who cares, the NFL only stands to gain revenue from more commercial advertising. Baseball games last all darn day, and baseball sucks.
If you don't want to fire these officials then fine, but you can't let an ex-player officiate. No more hiring ex-players or coaches to officiate.
I think its because there are so many cameras that capture every angle of every play. On top of that TV networks replay these events all of the time. I dont blame it on the Officials at all.
I don't disagree with either guy's argument overall, but I would have to disagree with Rich's point that the fan's would need a human element still in place on controversial/challengeable plays. I think most fans just want to see the call be right, that's the main issue here. Secondly, just because a coach throws a red flag on the field doesn't mean that we see who is in Secaucus, New Jersey analyzing these replays, so we are already WAY past the point of having a human being visible to the fans on challenges, not to mention the fact that under 2 minutes the booth can review all scoring and out of bounds plays. Overall, I think a happy medium here would be to make ALL plays/calls under 2 minutes reviewable, so maybe giving the coach an 'Under 2-minute Bonus Challenge', since those are the most crucial times of each half. Just my take on it
There is a philosophy in the NFL that has totally embraced the offense. There are so many holds by the offensive linemen that are nor called, it's ridiculous.
Same with receivers pushing off D backs which the Steelers have turned into an art form. Pick plays have gotten ridiculous.
Personally, I believe it's taken away from the competitive nature of the game. Defenses are helpless. You can only compete when the athleticism is allowed to manifest itself equally and that is not the case right now.
I would much rather extend the game and get it right than not. There's aready a million commercials in a broadcast. So it's okay to extend the game for revenue, but not to get it right?
So refreshing to hear two level headed human beings with actual ties to the game, discuss solutions without going nuts with rigging and fixing BS. Thanks guys. I thought I was in the twilight zone til this point.
Question for Rich: Why wouldn't the regular refs on the field be influenced by the crowd or others around them? (E.G., 2018, week 15, Chiefs vs Chargers, last minute of regulation.)
Obvious referee mistake = intentional referee mistake = rigged game. All entertainment businesses utilize scripts to maximize their profit. What's the problem?
The league should suspend the Rams player for the Superbowl then.
Suspend him FOR WHAT??? You don't suspend players for ref no-calls!!! The player caused a penalty. He did not committ a crime. It is football. Penalties happen all the time in football. It is up to the refs to call most of the infractions, not all of them. Human error happens!
No the player expected a flag.
@Maynard Runkle An assault and battery? Stop whining. You don't want Coleman playing because he'll intercept Brady
@Maynard Runkle I like the FDR reference at the end. Yes, Coleman will be fined for helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver. Coleman admitted that he knew he was going to commit PI. But, I don't think that he meant to injure the player. Let him play
For most of us life long Saints fans, we can take a loss. However, we are curious to know why the refs did not make the obvious calls. What were their reasons? Was there bias or corruption in this case? The NFL needs to address these questions.
Remember when games were fun to watch without constant replays. You saw most plays once, not the constant replaying of even the most boring plays. Back in the day, would see a play that was exceptional or contested a second time, not every play. Today's announcers seem compelled to evaluate and discuss the most mundane plays like were listening on the radio vs. on TV. Too much talk with too little insight is so tedious. And the endless commercials are so distracting. Thank God we have DVR's and can selective edit out watching. Contested calls are so time consuming & stop the momentum of the game. I like Eisen's plan.
You are more worried about making the game 3 minutes longer than getting the call right??? Adding an 8th official will not help. Pereira himself admitted that 3 officials blew this call (10:46), don't need another set of blind eyes to miss it. Give the coach the option to challenge. In the end you get the call right and the NFL gets to avoid this type of embarrassment in the future.
They don't need a recall. They saw the play. They looked right at in and still did not make the call. They need to fire refs, not change the rules every time something happens. Also, they need to investigate refs to see if there was any reason they decided not to make the most obvious call on the planet.
The ref directly behind the play needs to be fired. No excuses. He had one job! And I'm no saints or rams fan
Reviewing every play will NOT extend the game! EVERY PLAY CURRENTLY in the NFL is replayed immediately following the down. Both in the stadiums as well as on TV, we all watch them. This is ALREADY occurring!! Furthermore, games are HELD UP currently for TV commercials to complete, EXTENDING the game today more than it needs to be. Finally, not EVERY PLAY has a controversial play that needs any extensive review. This time is ALREADY BUILT INTO THE GAME!!! This game extension argument is BS!!!
The refs obviously were caving to the accusations by the Rams and their fans about how the Saints would get favorable calls in order to get Brees into another Super Bowl.
Coaches should be allowed challenges under 2 mins and get 1 referee challenge flag where they can challenge any call in the game. Also once the play clock hits 15 seconds it should be on the QB to call a TO not the coach
RE is right. Better idea