The Importance of Plant Health | How Healthy Plants Create Healthy Soil | AEA and ROA
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Join John Kempf, Founder of Advancing Eco Agriculture, and Elizabeth Whitlow, the Director of Regenerative Organic Alliance for a webinar that answers the question “What creates healthy soils?” from a different perspective.
At the most fundamental level, what creates healthy soils is healthy plants, but there is a focus in regenerative and organic agriculture on the regeneration of soil health that include a set of soil management practices that miss a fundamental driver of soil health, which can supersede the impact of all other practices - plant health.
In this webinar, John will walk through the different levels of the “Plant Health Pyramid” and how moving up the pyramid increases photosynthesis, immunity to soil and airborne pathogens, better resistance to insects, and improved production of lipids leading to stronger cell membranes for tastier fruit with better shelf life, and more.
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I took a listen to the Plant Health Pyramid AEA video from five years ago, and have to say that this version is better by far. The information is mind-blowing, to say the least. I had to listen to this a few more times to let it sink in, but it's all starting to make sense. I hope I can have the funds to take the plant health pyramid course offered through the Regen Ag Academy, as I can't afford it now, but hope to in the next year or so. Undoubtedly I'll have so much more to learn from there. Thanks so much for a fantastic presentation and Q&A session.
Enjoyed Johns talk, clear, straight forward, easy to understand. Alot 9f these style of videos can be hard to watch, well done, watching from oz.
I like his clear speech, the way he simplifies.
Took me a while to gain the knowledge to even follow these talks but I'm hooked now😂
How did you do it?
I'm sure you hear it all the time but until stumbling on to Dan and then you I had pretty much given up hope for our future. Learning about regen ag has changed my life, my property, my family's health and our outlook on our future. My 19 year old daughter actually switched from environmental science that she had been working towards since the 3rd grade to Penn States Agricultural program with a focus on soil science because of what we have been learning together. She is hoping to be able to work for you or another regenerative group and help change hearts and minds in Erie County PA. If you have any info on classes she can take or other programs that would prepare her for the feild it would be amazing. Thank you so much for all the info and following your purpose.
That is so awesome! And good question too.. For me also, John and Dan (Kittredge) are pillars of wisdom and inspiration! John has an online school, called Kindharvest!! There are very good courses there.. But perhaps for a young person who is really serious about getting involved with regenerative ag in the US, Matt Powers is an excellent teacher with a positive approach and I believe he has organized courses of some sort.
But there are soil-health practitioners in every region, and nothing beats the good ol fashioned apprenticeship!
Yet another excellent webinar! It's great to hear all these pieces all together as one cohesive unit. This will make it easy for new people who are learning. It was also great to pick up additional details as I always do when John speaks! Thanks, John!
I'm always mesmerized by your presentations. Thanks John, you are helping the world to look at the issue in a different perspective
Great webinar, thank you for sharing the knowledge John. I learn something more every time I here you present!
This has to be one of your best talks!
Thanks very much. Loved the biological cascade diagram!
Great clarity of subject, very useful information
I hope government bodies will take up aea template of aproach .think tanks with real genuine progress .
Just WOW. Such exciting information Thankyou!
Brilliant webcast !
Great presentation! Packed with the kinds of gems that John always manages to crank out.
Question: Once plants hit level 3 and 4 does that change the soil enough that plants in following growing seasons in that soil get "kicked off" even faster, or will nutrient inputs still likely to be needed in future growing seasons?
Thanks again.
Kevin
There are cumulative effects from year to year that stand out clearly over long time periods.
Thats the craft thats the art of horticulture. Knowibg how and when and what kinds of stress to induce as woukd happen in the wild stressing a healthy plant the right way is part of that craft .there's a fine line between stressing and harming.
In this presentation, it's often highlighted that enhancing the soil (adding minerals) is crucial for achieving optimal plant outcomes, such as disease and insect resistance. Therefore, soil plays a fundamental role in plant fertility, as without it, plants cannot thrive. We all know that plants cannot grow on stones and rocks alone. While photosynthesis contributes significantly to soil fertility, we must acknowledge that soil itself provides the necessary foundation for plant growth.
To sustain microbial life in the soil, a diverse range of nutrients is required. These nutrients encompass more than just plant-derived elements; they include vital components such as oxygen and water, in addition to sugars, organic matter, inorganic elements, and minerals. It is the unique composition of the soil or certain types of media, that can deliver this full spectrum of nutrients, fostering an environment conducive to plant growth. So healthy soil comes first for agriculture.
Love it. 100% agree.
Hey John I have a question: I've used your products before and I like them, I see results. However, I've noticed that sometimes when I spray the forge foliar the leaves seem to dry out. Does that have anything to do with what you mentioned about manganese being a limiting factor? Does a foliar feed have the capability of drying out the leaves of the plant you're spraying? This hasn't been on a macro scale, I've only used these products in my garden and I pulled soil samples for testing but I've never sent them in because I moved and now I only garden in pots. On the flipside, I'm excited to purchase your new garden package 😁
Haven’t thought of this before. Possibly if a spray contains ionic ‘salt’ form minerals? I don’t know.
Do you think that the strength at which you're using is too strong, causing this? That, maybe you might have to dilute the solution a bit more to prevent this in the future? I'm just making a wild-ass educated guess, but you never know...
Also, are you using rain water with it or water from the house? Is from the house, is it chlorinated, or not (like from a well)? Again, just spit-balling...
Loving the terminology. Thank you fokks
Somebody asked about SAP analysis in South Africa. Agrisol did one for me last year. I can share contacts if u cannot find them. Agrisol are in RSA
Dankie!!!
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Wow. One of the most abundant elements on earth and there's a deficiency .Wow. obviously irons a very complex element existing in diferent combinations . What I've recognised from iron electrolosis is a separate biofilm /gell forms ontop of fluid medium.
How can you find out at what photosynthetic efficiency are your plants?
I find that the higher the brix, the less predator pressure. I think it is a useful 'rule of thumb'. Am always happy to see brix of 16 or more.
'False' truth does not really contribute when the context is so importatnt / relevant.
I am in south africa. I enjoy listening to other peoples' experience so i support these you tube snippets. Again, context is relevant. People do not make these videos / podcasts without their own agenda. I listen, apply what works here and keep on learning and still want to be better.
Life is too short for reductionist statements about 'false'.
So, thank u for broadcasting.
Absolutely great. Im commenting too much.
Ok so I have a weird question I guess?
I have aphids on my plants. I don't really know why they're on my plants other than ants farming them. However, the only slow release N they have I think is Urea, but it's not much of it. The rest of the N comes from amino acids. So I'm not quite sure why some plants have so many aphids. In particular, it still doesn't seem to ginger their growth, flower production, or fruiting, but I can't know that without getting rid of the aphids and seeing how they do. They get water everyday, they have nutrition in the containers, they're fed foliar and soil drenches weekly of micronutrients and such. The ONLY possible thing I can think of is if Fe is missing. I am using SeaShield, NutraLive Package, as well as Rejuvenate and the biological inoculants. I can only think of MAYBE Mg and/or Fe. But would that get rid of aphids?
Like the plants still are growing, flowering, now setting fruits. The leaflets are enormous, some the size of my hand. There may be some Zn deficiencies but it's not too bad. I mean, I just don't know the specific nutrient I need to kill these darn buggars 😂
I just had a severe outbreak in my small apple orchard. I believe my intervention solved it, and it wasn't just natural predators arriving (after all the leaves were all horribly curled up and this is usually considered a disaster situation). Curled leaves remain curled but inside just dried remains of aphids and that stickyness is all gone. Anyway, I will share... If you believe you have the micros covered, consider this: Calcium replaces Potassium, and potassium is responsible for building complete proteins. A guest on one of John's podcasts alludes to the link between potassium and aphids: Larry Phelan. The takeaway is you've got too many free amino acids in the plant sap. Something is limiting the rate the plant is able to build proteins, it might not be lack of potassium in your case - but your job is to figure out what. Lack of sulphur will inhibit the sulphur containing proteins. In my case, it was to change increase the potassium to calcium ratio (I applied some potassium acetate liquid feed). 5 days and I saw results. And dont just apply the same thing to everything, much harder to figure out what worked!
@@marklloyd6433 yes, that is an N problem. i say ratios, balances - you have to be thinking this through and not be product focused - make calcium be the main growth nutrient. potassium is hardly ever lacking. nitrogen is just about always overdone. anything and everything can be overdone although it is said calcium is difficult to oversupply...blessings
@@paulbraga4460 Thanks Paul. Yes it is all about context and I didn't go into detail. With highly plant available forms, and gyspum is one of them, I do believe I oversupplied... especially when I saw great growth responses and I'll always fall foul of the MORON approach! I was applying no potassium before and very little N in liquid fish. Applied about 50mg of actual plant available K per small tree/ sapling and the difference is profound, in MY case. If nothing else is working, could be this? There are lots of references to potassium and aphids with a quick search.
First- Mg, S, Mo. Second - boron. Third- sugar.
You talk about Iron and molibdenum. I would like to more about selenium.
Regarding the important need for lipids in the soil profile which you referred to as coming from level 3 photosynthesis. We do a lot of composting of animal remains from butcher shops which has a lot of fats and bone marrow in wood chips that we turn on a regular basis. When complete and applied to the soil will these lipids preform like you mentioned in feeding fungi and adding stable soil carbon levels ?
I would expect so.
He has a video in a cherry orchard that the guy sprayed seafood oils on ground. It made the soil fungal based( ideal for trees and bushes)
Isn’t iron also big factor in the plant producing super oxides within the plants roots. It’s those super oxides that strip microbial life of the their outer cellular structure so the plant can take up their nutrients.
Kindly share RUclips video of animal farming in relation to agriculture...
'The story of meat' by Savory. 20 minutes or so long and packed with wisdom.
What a beautiful smell that's emitted from the root zone of a freshly pulled plant .compared to a patch of the same ground without a pkant although smells nice just doesnt compare o a rootzone aroma .im sure we have a genetic disposition to what's right and same for detecting when something's a miss.
Great presentation. I wish you would include harvest comparisons with conventional Ag and cost of harvest cycle compared to conventional Ag. That should be the beginning. In the end we are producing food for people to eat. We have to produce enough and it has to be economical. It's worth paying more for food that will keep you healthy, maybe even a lot more, but how much more are we talking about? You can't advocate food production system that produces food that only a minority can afford.
Another question: if you're feeding the cornfield, wouldn't you be also feeding the weeds? This is going back to the statement that you made about the domestic product being healthier than the weeds and the weeds being attacked by the pest instead of the crop. Do the weeds not absorb a feeding in the same way that a crop would? I guess what I'm asking is why are the weeds not becoming healthier if they are being sprayed with the crop?
I'm guessing that the weeds won't be catching as much of the foliar spray as the plants, unless you've let them grow as tall as the plants.
When cows eat from free choice mineral feeders, do you think that they choose the minerals that the plants that they are eating need? And l wonder if those plants are able to get the minerals from cow poop that the dung beetles have taken underground.
I have a hard time accepting that we should "know what plants need and lacks and feed them" (inorganic or organic, it doesn't matter).
That's exactly what we have done so far in conventional agriculture, feeding crops, thinking that we knew ALL that was needed and in what quantity and at what time. And now we have destroyed our soils and have deficient plants.
So, please tell me the full process
Great webinar !! It's a ton of info very well put together 👍 thank you so much
The guy asking about cadmium: you can get really good results by using silicon, don't know exactly the reason but it made a big difference in cacao production.
I have a question or a suggestion, I'd really love to get more in detail about managing different health levels in seedlings, I grow sunflowers and get many downy mildew infected plants on week 1 and 2, after this period plants get bigger and resistant , what can I do ? Where I live it's impossible to get Sap analysis @JohnKempfVisionBuilder
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When we understand the digestive system, we can understand how to process matter that it can be converted into another state of matter where living things can simply absorb the energy of every element. The key materials used in the digestive system are acid and caustic. The digestive process is similar to most creatures and will give us the clue how easy it is to tap energy from every atom of every available element.
You can create healthy soil without healthy plants. Just dump 20 cm of wood chips on most soils and it will be super healthy. If it's a compact clay soil, it needs a last tilling to incorporate the wood chips (you'll be nitrogen deprived for 6 months though). That wood chip method is used a lot in France right now for veggie farmers, coz wood chips are easy to get in large quantities from landscape gardeners, tree surgeons etc... Now, would plants be healthier with varried cover crops instead ? Probably yes, but wood chips is faster to get a soil to very rich organic matter content, and full of worms. I guess you could argue that there are healthy plants involved in this process : the ones making the wood chips in the first place, probably full of lipids like you said.
Of course for large scale farming you're gonna use cover crops instead. But more than 90% of the new veggie farmers in France use this method coz it's so efficient. You don't even need compost or manure, the humus layer produced by the wood chips, and the soil life generated, get you everything you need for veggies. Some people are worried this method isn't sustainable but I disagree. Most of these wood chips would otherwise be wasted as compost piles, where they lose 50% of their carbon as CO2 when the composting process heats the pile up. Of course if those wood chips were to be used for corn fields and wheat fields, we would have an issue coz they'd need huge quantities and there'd be a price jump due to demand.
He doesn’t negate this, but the wood chips have to decompose(takes time). But targeting plant health one can accelerate the creation of healthy soils. Just pick what works for you.
Where do wood chips come from?
Wood chips aren’t balanced in the nutrients you need to get up the plant health pyramid. They definitely help but most veggie farmers will still have pest or disease pressure.
@@karlsapp7134 No that's not true. People don't realize all the potassium, calcium, phosphorus you need is in the soil, and the plants get it through the rhyzophagy cycle. As long as you provide a nice carbon based mulch, there is absolutely no issue. All this thing about some mulch lacking some nutrients is nonsense, since plants don't get these nutrients through the mulch. As long as you got carbon and some nitrogen it's perfectly ok. Wood chips, pine needles, bark, leaves, straw, hay, ramial wood, they all work fine. If your soil has been massacred by chemicals and tilling, then yeah you can provide more nitrogen through manure, spent barley or grass clipping, but that's it. The recipe is very very simple.
@@nicolasbertin8552 it so true that most people who use wood chip mulch will still have pest problems and struggle to get up the plant health pyramid. I’ve been doin this a long big time and have yet to see someone who doesn’t have some sort of issue.
My own experience bears that out. I can do a foliar though and that will super charge my plants growth and changes so much of the plant’s expression.
Asparagus lol
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I like listening to John - a great overview, but he loves to kick shins too much. And the bible reference doesn't work as the fertile crescent is now sand.
without testing hard to say 100%, calcium, magnesium, potassium ratios are probably incorrect, high potassium levels, affecting calcium absorbtion, not easy producing compost equivalent to bio complete or knowing what is bio-available
REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE AND LEARNING IN MY OOINION IS GREATER THAN SCHOLLARLY EDUCATION OR COMBINED WITH.ALSO EDUCATION LEVELS ARE TERROBLE WORLD OVER CHILDHOOD EDUCATION ESPECIALLY. It needs correcting. Its a wonder weve not gone extinct. We cant seperate ourselves from what is ourselves. .
1:02 Social equity? As in microbes or wokeness? Pathogenic organisms are not limited to the macro friends✌️
“Social equity”, are we talking about plants?
I have never understood that saying "if i have heard it once, i have heard it (x) number of times" - - do you not know if you heard it once? or is this a lawyer thing, where you can later say, well, i never heard it once. humm??
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"decomposed rock particles" with intermittent pockets of clay would be an exact description of the "soil" in Black Forest Colorado.🥲