Streetfighter Teaches Karate Black Belt How to Chop!?!?
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2023
- Even though @SenseiSeth is a Karate black belt... this grizzled veteran of DA STREETZ can still show him a thing or two about chops.
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So what Seth is saying is that it is only a Karate Chop if it comes from the Karate region of France. Anything else is sparkling slaps.
Nice. Ce bon!
As a frenchman, i feel like this is a very normal and obvious way of doing things. Ya gotta visit the région de Karaté one of these days
Well done!
In Pinan Yondan(yes a Kata) there is a Karate chop! Did I ever use it in that way? No. At least not that way, as you guys explain in the video.
I've used it in reverse. Instead of using the palm facing up, Ive done something similar but the palm of my hand facing down and on the other side of the head.
My idea is to hit and then grab, almost in the same motion.
@@Lynxtpm There are knife hands in quite a few of the Pinans and the Naihanchis.
whats hilarious is there were 0 substances had by either person here. This is simply sleep deprivation at it's finest lmao
But do you actually know of shuto uke? I certainly do from shotokan. Anyway, it was funny to see both of you arguing
100% with Sensei Seth on the terminology, BTW. 👍 (And closing my fist doesn't prevent my wrist from bending, either -- Mike should probably see a doctor about that! 😱)
Vegemite is a substance.
@@johannes3126 (it is "Shuto Uchi" when it is a strike with a "knife hand", "Shuto Uke" when it is a "block" with a "Knife hand".)
@Steve G .. you may be able to make a fist and bend it outwards but I would not recommend at all actually striking anything like that
There is surprising chemistry with angry Mike and normal Seth 😂
Angrier mike
Rick and Morty of martial arts
"chemistry" is a good choice of words
I love when they collaborate. The dynamic between the curmudgeonly Icy Mike and the optimistic and nice guy Seth is practically my favorite thing.
I think we need an 80s style buddy comedy where sensei seth is the young karate teacher that gets elected sheriff of a small town because he accidentally saves someone with karate. Mike is the tryhard cop who thought he was a shoo in for the sheriff job and is now bitter he has to work for "a kid". But eventually they have to team up to take out the main bad guy and along the way they learn to respect eachother. Cameos for all the other martial arts youtubers.
Jesse Enkamp has been developing a ghetto character that would fit right in.
This video has the same energy as a middle school sleepover. Someone is goofy tired and the other person is up past their bedtime.
Hahahahahaha that's the exact precise energy hahahaha
This is how I imagine the old school martial arts masters developed and tested what techniques were practical. Exactly like this 💯
Maybe before there were names or schools and it was just peasants gathering to try to fight off essentially feudalist cops in Japan and China.
Probably
In a really grumpy manner, yes
2 minutes of technique demonstration and 5 minutes of arguing semantics?... Yeah, probably.
According to my martial arts movies exactly like this while drinking warm rice wine out of little silver tea pots
Whenever Mike and Seth get into a debate, it always feels like a conversation between two comic geeks discussing whether one character could beat another character. It has that laid back, yet still somewhat serious vibe to it that reminds me of when my friends and I used to sleep over at each other's houses and chat shit till 5am
"It's only a karate chop if it comes from the Karate region of France. Anything else is sparkling WW2 combatives."
Also: watching the "karate'd artery" pun just float by Mike was incredible.
Mike was definitely on that good stuff while filming this
It's so much more entertaining when everyone is stressed and tired. This level of antagonism is what I'm here for
nice said! 🤣
I've been practicing wado ryu karate for a long time (30+years) and the 'chop' is a knife hand strike. It's in the basics
It's also in judo/ japanese jujutsu.
It's in Aikido too, but like Seth is demonstrating, the difference in the 'Karate' method is that it usually comes from the inside moving outwards, not like a Hollywood 'axe swing' from outside to inside. It's great for clearing limbs at grappling range, clamping onto the neck/head to establish a target for strikes, or shocking the brachial artery.
Same with Tang Soo Do. Its part of the very first one steps you learn and is used both on outside line and inside line strikes.
Yes you are supposed to use the hand like a blade to CUT. You can tell from the way Seth does it he did not study the basics well… sorry to say.
Its called shuto in the japanese martial arts. The thing is that sensei Seth practices kempo karate, kind of the USAs stile. Really diferent from any japanese ryu
So the MMA RUclipsr mini conference is actually happening? This is a great beginning to those videos.
I had no idea you'd be able to get Ramsey in on this!
There was a seminar in Sydney and it was great!
Yup, the Ultimate Self-Defense Championship did happen! First of seven episodes will be released at the end of the month
I've gone too long without an icy Mike/Sensei Seth crossover shenanigans video. This is a pleasant start to my morning
Now I'm seriously surprised (borderline shocked) that Seth has never seen a shuto uchi in his entire life and also believes that it's a "Hollywood" technique. Aren't there any open-hand techniques in his style?
That's what American kenpo karate does to a mf.
My guess is that in the american carate they could never practice this. If I am not mistaken, this style was influenced by kickboxing point fighting
I believe Seth is saying that outside of forms, it's not used. Karate practitioners never use shuto in sparring. We're always told to keep our fists closed to protect our fingers.
The Chop KO's usually only drop calm people that arent fighting and no adrenaline in their system. Its like the Kung Fu version of a sucker punch. You can definately use chops in dirty boxing clinch to open up other strikes though.
Cuz he doesnt do REAL karate
Icy Mike arguing with Sensei Seth about what is and is not Karate is my favorite thing
That's the funniest ending to a video I've seen in a long time 😂.
"This is a hammerfist... This is a karate chop"
Seems _exactly_ the same
The overall motion, yes. The hand position, definitely not. Hammerfist is way more forgiving if you hit something resilient, but can't be used to hit targets as precisely as knifehand e.g. into the edge of the neck as in 4:53.
Seems exactly the same with a boxing glove on. Without it, there's a big difference -closed fist vs open hand.
@@theaikidoka Appreciate the explanation. I know that strictly speaking it's different. I was mostly just poking fun at Icy Mike.
While we're on the subject though, wouldn't a slightly tilted back fast achieve exactly the same thing that a knife-edge chop would if the objective is to just slip past the shoulder?
@dcsbeemer I was thinking the same thing. Like, we're talking fractions of an inch difference at best. In live practice against a moving opponent I think it would be no different at all.
I don’t know if this applies but in the very little stickfighting i’ve dabbled in..
I separate the “chop” as a tighter, sliding like motion vs the “hammer” as a swing, cutting thru or as Mike said turning more of the shoulders.
With a stick, one ends up being more similar to like a palm up old school bareknuckle pugilist punch, two has more arc to it.
The karate chop that Icy Mike shows (very accurate btw) is real (is in kusanku kata from shuri te). Theres more than one karate chop (knife hand) shuto uke for receiving, shuto uchi for countering. I dont know why Seth says it doesnt exist, maybe is not familiar with it because I think he has train Naha te (Goju Ryu).
True, Shuto (Hand Knife) is present in several others Karate styles as well.
Blasphemy! He doesn't train Naha te
Goju has shuto uchi (as in karate chop) and haito uchi. However it's substituting the shuto-uke in kokutsu dachi thing with kake uke a lot.
@@conradtoll present even in tkd with the same name
@@Mr29Tiger i agree. I train shotokan and i learned shuto can be either a strike or a frame. In kocutsu dachi it can be used to trip people up.
My god, I gotta see Mike with Ramsey interact
Epic final scene, it caught me off-guard! Please make another video together!
So Seth is saying Jesse Enkamp didn't slice the tomato with his karate knife hand because it is not Karate.
Bold statement
I love that this just devolves in into semantics and Seth giggling his ass off
Such a sloppy video from Mike and it's still great.
Surprised that Seth has "never seen" this 😅 It's traditional Karate. We use this a lot in Wado Ryu.
Quick, somebody say " Check it out " in a thick European accent so that we can conjure up the Karate Nerd 🥋 and Jesse can verify whether this is in fact a karate chop or not 😂
Frames can be strikes and we ain't talking bowling 🎳
Man those guys together are a dream team of coaches
at the end, only Jesse and Ranton were missing😃👍✌️
I've trained that upset knife hand strike for a long time. It appears in at least one of the Chang hon Taekwondo forms (Won-Hyo), so maybe it's a Taekwondo chop?
It's also listed in Henry Cho's Tae Kwon Do: Secrets of Korean Karate. So maybe it's a Korean Karate chop?
Yes I had my nerd glasses on while I made the above post. because I'm a nerd, duh!
Yeah, I learned the inside knife hand strike in TKD. Broken boards with it, too.
I couldn’t stop laughing. Angry Mike was especially angry today and Seth couldn’t keep it together. Great chemistry
I am very excited to see the self defence school video with all you guys!
The palm up "chop" is called "haito" in Japanese. The first one in Shotokan karate is usually introduced in the kata Heian Yondan (4th) which, in Shotokan, is usually the 4th or 5th kata that a student learns. In that kata it is delivered to the neck in the same manner that Mike uses it. In the earlier kata called Heian Shodan (first) the chop that Seth shows is generally used as a block but it can also be used as an attack. Please excuse me if someone has already said this but I didn't see anything about haito in the comments that I saw with a quick look at the comments.
I see now after opening up some further comments that Mr29Tiger has already mentioned haito. tatumergo and ketong have also mentioned it.
Haito uchi is a ridge-hand strike (you strike with the side of your hand where your thumb is, retracting your thumb).
There isn't one in Heian Yondan.
(Though there are "karate chops" or shuto uchi, with the side of the hand they use in the video.)
With shuto or haito, the position of the palm (up, down, sideways, etc.) or the trajectory of the strike (inside to outside, the opposite, up to dow, at any angle, etc.) doesn't matter.
Shuto or haito simply describe the part of the hand that is used to impact the target, you can use these techniques in many ways.
If you're talking about the neck strike in Heian Yondan (delivered with the right hand while the left is in front of the forehead, palm outward, just before the first right front kick), this is a "regular karate chop" (or shuto uchi) not a ridge-hand strike (haito uchi)...
I love your guyss bantering and dynamic. Great job man
Classic teaser ending, so excited for the next collabs!
I just opened yt on my lunch break. This is a treat
So, how much was Mike drinking before this video?
I think at least 10
It's so insane that you said 4 years ago you wanted to train with Ramsey, and now it's finally happened! Just realized this.
Mike learning a bunch about karate after the video with Jesse about ancient weapons vs modern weapons is amazing
I’m guessing open handed or shuto strikes are missing from American Karate. They are very present in Japanese Karate styles. Icey Mike kind of did a shuto soto uke on the bob dummy and impacted with his wrist/hand at around time code 1:19
Maybe from some styles. I've definitely seen it. I think it's fair to say it's not common in sparring though.
That is haito
Mike: you've become the real MVP in RUclips martial arts. Thank you for being open and demonstrating a Karate technique and speaking about it.
Kyokushin karate definitely has that type of chop.
In Goju Ryu we call it the circle chop
I need the rest of this collab in my life
How did you pull off that ending with Ramsey Dewey and the other people??? Very cool!
this is my new favorite hard2hurt/sensei seth video.
That strike is def used in Kobudo too. However this is fucking fantastic 😂
We have this strike in tkd, I can only assume we stole it from some karate dude somewhere 😂
Tkd is Korean karate with kicky spice
@@xLiveFreeDieFreex true!
These upcoming collabs are gonna be great
Spoiler alert... Killer ending, with Ramsey and Jeff Chan making an appearance! Looking forward to that batch of videos coming soon.
Mike, I haven't commented before but I have your 3 courses and am wondering if you and Cliff still plan to to release Rated R (or is it Radar) Sparring as a teachable?
I appreciate you so much. We have been working on something else for a year or so. Rated R Sparring got put on the shelf indefinitely. It was fun, but I don't know how helpful it would be and worth people's money. This new course is extremely high value.
Love this. Love that it’s uncut too.
Yes, this is called a Reverse Chop it's in our Katas. And we also practice it. He shows a Knife hand chop, downward chop and reverse chop used in practical situations. This is really good stuff from Mike.
Seth, mike is totally right, just deal with it.
The first one is Gammen Shuto Uchi, you can find it in kyokushin, and Goju ryu with that exact form and purpose.
Shuto gammen targets the temple and don't drops down - it cuts from left to right (or opposite):p Shuto sakotsu would drop down. But Seth focused on the shuto mawashi uchi what has most sense as it's applicable in close combat and even as a frame for grappler.
But they both are incorrect as they don't harden hands and use gloves for fighting, we also don't see trained specialist in these that fight without rules. These techniqes have their purpose in self defense. Are there better punches? Yes. But when you spend all your life training martial arts all days, you get to the limits of your body and start training your fingers and muscles that noone uses to be a bit better:D
@@vocartagmailcom sorry i do not agree, terminology aside, since it can vary from style to style (and yes, i was refering to the first strike shown as gammen shuto uchi, witch is exactly what you said.)
Eaven if the shuto is a tecnique for self defence, and traditionally you should harden your hands, it is still possible to use the same motion and tecnique in fights that use gloves, in fact, if you what to train it for actual fighting/self defence it is 1000 times better to train it in actual sparring full contact with gloves then in a classic karate cooperative drill with where you stop before hitting.
It is not ideal, (the ideal in my opinion would be to go with kudo style sparring so you can practice it live wile also grabbing the gi and be kind of safe with the impact absorbing hemets.)
Also, remember, karate means Empty hands, not naked hand, meaning you don't use wapons to fight, but if it helps getting better at fighting karate by it self does not prevent you to sparr with gloves (you can find videos of old training in Oyama Dojo with full boxing gloves)
Karate "Chop", "Strike", "Knife Hand", etc.. Is real and can be delivered from many angles...
Thank you for all your awesome videos!❤👍💪🙂
we need more videos of Mike and Sensei Seth yelling at each other!
I took one semester of Soo Bahk Do (that might be the spelling) in college and the knife hand chop that Mike is doing was one of the things we learned.
What style of karate does Sensei Seth practices? I have seen the same Karate chops that Mike shows on Okinawan Karate... exactly the same principles and application
Seth practice a form of American mcdojo Karate
@@RUclipsCommenter1 Ahhahahaahah
IIRC, it's Okinawan Kempo.
@@SaftonYT no, American kempo
@@lorismarchitelli5274 His website states that he teaches Okinawan Kempo and that he learned Okinawan Kempo from his parents, mentioning the name of their dojo specifically. You can look up said dojo's social media and confirm that they teach both Okinawan Kempo & Jujitsu.
Knife hand or ridge hand that Hollywood labeled the infamous "karate chop" lol
Love you guys and the work you do!!
Mike on that good shit tonight
love the camera turn at the end
Flawless victory for Icey Mike.
Mike and Seth argue like a jet lagged married couple.
I think I had this argument with my wife the other day about whether or not a chowder is a cream soup.
The surprise ending though!
I certainly agree that karate chops can turn into a collar Tie clinch we see it all the time in combat sports MMA wrestling and jiu-jitsu excetera
I was thinking all this time that I was watching a tired Mike babbling on about this thing when it all really was just a prelude to the amazing new Collab! Really looking forward to it
Nah, the ending is perfect, now I'm just hyped for the next vids
Some wrestlers use it very similarly as a "club" to get into the collar tie. The hand might not be quite as open as a "karate chop" but same principle. Great cameos at the end!
Mike, if it helps, I also use knifehands in a similar fashion to tie people up, bypass guard, and break posture in karate. One of the ways I like to use it is to throw consecutive hooks to the body followed by a chop so I can scoop somebody's elbow after conditioning them to cover their ribs. I'm just out here shoving people and then roundhousing them right after. Karate chops are underrated and I love them.
I am very excited for this collaboration
I learned that 'karate' chop in the 70's as a kid in Karate, and seen it numerous martial arts since, and still use it today, even after pruning back my moves tool kit.
Sick Mike is my favorite ice right now.
Oh my fucking god. Is this a Christmas? So hyped for your collaboration
sleepy mike here to affirm the karate chop... HELL YA BUDDY
I have used a chop in street fights and chopping the neck, temple or jaw area with either a palm down “outward” chop or palm up “inward chop” are good for temporarily stunning an opponent to follow up with something. But I find chopping the groin to be very effective because if someone grabs you from behind and slightly off to the side, like a bouncers “you gotta leave” shoulder/arm grab they will not expect that fast sort of reverse chop nor would someone in front of you expect you to slip a punch and do an “obscure” chop (essentially a ridge hand to the groin) which I like to compliment with a single leg takedown
OH snaps, another big collab!
Icy Mike, you sleepy, beautiful person--Sensei Seth may not believe it to be a karate chop, but that was a perfect application of what we call "wind palm" from my particular baguazhang training! I am taking NOTES!!
Yeah, whacking something (pretty much anything) with the small bones in the edge of your hand is a bad idea. A forearm smash however is a WHOLE other thing - not a kickboxer, but I caught a relatively mild one on the part of my neck where it blends into the shoulder, and it wrecked my shit. There's a lot of nerves, a huge blood conduit and some small bones in that area, and none of them like getting hit.
This video popped up in my feed two days after I decided to try incorporating chops into my style.
Now Mike is going to do karate chops to everyone, and I will watch every freaking video, slow motion, group attacks/defense, and I'll cheer him on the whole time.
The things you do for friends. Bless you Seth
The panning to Jeff chan and the other dudes eating noodles on the floor killed me 🤣
When I did Nihon Jujitsu way back we did chops like that but I think was mainly to emulate a sword because of its origins.
Nice! And perfect timing. My training partners and I have been working on double body hooks, i’ll let them get away with ‘em for another week or so and then I’ll start using this as a counter.
I needed this video today 😆
The title clip made it easy to see where he was going with this
Great video!
*I love how everyone just appeared at the end*
And again with the teaser - having a fight over something trivial and then showing all the other guys at the end of the clip :D It's still hilarious, though :D Mike - You really looked ill , though, get well soon :) hopefully there will be more content from the other guys and You as well, not only Rokas :)
These strikes are also known as Shuto strikes, or just knife hand strikes eg inside knifehand, or outside knife, reverse knife hand depending on the direction of the strike. this can also include the ridge hand techniques.
The amazing crossovers continue 😊
I like the tip to make the entry into clinch more percussive.😮
Can't believe Mike had to teach Sensei Seth the different ways to throw the classic "karate chop" (knife hand.) There's an inside, outside, AND downward knife hand strike. They're pretty situational, but Mike just demonstrated several legit situations where they can be used. The inside knife hand is more common, but both inside and outside knife hands can be found all across the kata curriculum from basic to advanced.
karate chops while in clinch wars is pretty lit imo. Profound ideas here with mike I don't care what they called as long as you strike with the side of your hand it's a chop- or a ridge hand.
Educational and entertaining, good stuff as always 😅😅😅😅
The only other person I hear talk about hard collar tie clubs like a strike is Bas. After I saw him talk about those, I started throwing a club to collar toe like a chop and it’s totally there.I totally agree they are like a real application of a Karate Chop.
this was so funny i love your duo
That pan over at the end was hilarious.
Can't wait to see the collab videos with Jeff Chan.
its a white crane chop! "Jan" is the chinese name. white crane kungfu was one of the biggest influences on karate. We also do it to the lower ribs a lot from in the pocket.
I've used it as part of the Shuto Uke. Knife or sword hand "block." With the difference that I would hit the other side of the neck with palm instantly turning downward to grab over the shoulder and pull the opponents head down.
Many people have doubted of it's effectiveness,but I believe it depends on how it's used.
I do prefer the ridge hand, but it's a different approach.
Love the last shot gag
I guess I usually think of the “karate chop” as just shuto or knife hand, and you can use it however you want, just like Mike did or however you mess around with it. Looks very useful for some things.
As a black belt in kempo, I completely agree with Mike. We use that a lot in our forms. Also in wrestling or jiu jitsu, you can use karate chops disguised as collar ties to get some seriously powerful snapdowns.
I was just showing this in class last week. Side note The kenpo term for it would be an inward handsword