As a protestant, ive been searching for these answers. I know somewhere at the bottom of my heart that eucharistic elements are more than mere symbols. I know theres somthing happening at the sacrament. But i dunno what that is. This video is unique, friendly, easy to understand and very helpful resource. Thanks for the video.
Same here, read the catechism it will answer many things. Also the catechism and the Catholic Church like to iron out every detail they can. In contrast orthodoxy is not as specific so to speak. However at mass if you pay attention the priest will say “the mystery of faith” or something like that and there is that terminology in Catholicism. So it is to a degree a mystery of faith. But as you stated in your heart you know. I think deep down all us Christians know these things are more than symbolic. Be blessed!
I discovered your infant baptism video yesterday, lamented the fact that it was apparently the only video in that style, and requested more. And then BAM, today you drop another! Great customer service ;) Hope we don't have to wait 4 months for the next one! Need to get you some sponsors like Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna with some means.
5:13 I just want to personally thank you for reading "i.e." as "that is" instead of reading the letters aloud. It bothers me so much when people do the latter.
These videos speak to the depths of my soul. The only think that could make them better is if they were released on VHS and I could have watched them 25 years ago.
I like your videos; they are informative as well as entertaining. So, I wonder if you might do a review of the Ignatius Study Bible (old and new testaments). It is due for release in November 2024.
17:18 Lutheran here, I was enjoying this video greatly up until this point 😄. In all seriousness though, it's interesting how, by your own concession, you admit the doctrine of Eucharist to be a corollary of the incarnation, or at least commensurate with the same. Yet, when we read in St. John that "the Word became flesh" (Jn. 1:14), we do not understand this in such a manner as to suppose that the substance of the Word was transubstantiated into flesh or that it was converted into a body. Rather, it is to be understood that the Word hypostatically united himself with the substance of flesh such that both the divinity and the flesh are comprehended by one denomination. Therefore, since the sacramental union of bread and body images that hypostatic union of Word and flesh, the reality of the bread (and wine) should not be denied after consecration, just as St. Paul is not hesitant to call the sacramental elements bread and wine. For this does not deny the principal substance and reality of the Supper, which we agree to be the true glorified body of Our Lord, but simply confesses both as one. As St. Irenaeus says, "the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly" (Against Heresies, bk. iv, ch. 18.5).
Thanks for watching! I'm aware that St. Irenaeus has been read as supporting impanation (for example in the notes of the ANF translation of Against Heresies). Jurgens has a footnote on 5.2.3 where he observes quite rightly that "any arguments on the manner of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist are of a subtlety not to be expected in so early an author as Irenaeus." In my view our insistence on transubstantiation is principally a lex orandi issue - Catholics worship the consecrated elements. For instance, I will be in an Adoration chapel later tonight worshiping the our Lord in the monstrance. If the substance of the bread was not changed into the body of Christ, I will be quite literally a bread worshiper. If however transubstantiation be true, If you'd like to delve deeper into this, there is no better treatment in English than A Key to the Doctrine of the Eucharist by Dom Anscar Vonier: archive.org/details/keytodoctrineofe0000doma_r2q5/
Thank you. I love your videos; they have been an invaluable resource for me. As I been on something of a spiritual journey. God bless you and your ministry.
Origen "Formerly, in an obscure way, there was manna for food; now, however, in full view, there is the true food, the flesh of the Word of God, as he himself says: 'My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink' [Jn 6:56]" Homilies on Numbers 7:2
Irenaeus "Moreover, how could *the Lord,* with any justice, if He belonged to another father, have *acknowledged the bread to be His body,* while He took it from that creation to which we belong, and *affirmed the mixed cup to be His blood* ?" (Against Heresies, 4, 33, 2) "Those who have become acquainted with the secondary (i.e., under Christ) constitutions of the apostles, are aware that *the Lord instituted a new oblation in the new covenant,* according to [the declaration of] Malachi the prophet [quotes Mal 1:11 as well as Rom 12:1 and Heb 13:15].... And therefore the oblation of the Eucharist is not a carnal one, but a spiritual; and in this respect it is pure. For we make an oblation to God of the bread and the cup of blessing, giving Him thanks in that He has commanded the earth to bring forth these fruits for our nourishment. And then, when we have perfected the oblation, *we invoke the Holy Spirit, that He may exhibit this sacrifice, both the bread the body of Christ, and the cup the blood of Christ,* in order that the receivers of these antitypes may obtain remission of sins and life eternal. Those persons, then, who perform these oblations in remembrance of the Lord, do not fall in with Jewish views...." (Fragment 37) "But how can they be consistent with themselves, [when they say] that *the bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood,* if they do not call Himself the Son of the Creator.... Then, again, how can they say that the flesh, which is nourished with the body of the Lord and with His blood, goes to corruption, and does not partake of life? Let them, therefore, either alter their opinion, or cease from offering the things just mentioned. But our opinion is in accordance with the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn establishes our opinion. For we offer to Him His own, announcing consistently the fellowship and union of the flesh and Spirit. For as *the bread,* which is produced from the earth, *when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly;* so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity." (Against Heresies, 4, 18, 1-5) "Again, giving directions to His disciples to offer to God the first-fruits of His own, created things...He took that created thing, bread, and gave thanks, and said, 'This is My body.' [Matthew 26:26, etc.] And *the cup* likewise, which is part of that creation to which we belong, *He confessed to be His blood, and taught the new oblation of the new covenant;* which *the Church receiving from the apostles,* offers to God throughout all the world, to Him who gives us as the means of subsistence the first-fruits of His own gifts in the New Testament, concerning which Malachi, among the twelve prophets, thus spoke beforehand [quotes Mal 1:10-11].... the former people [the Jews] shall indeed cease to make offerings to God, but that in every place sacrifice shall be offered to Him, and that a pure one...." (Against Heresies, 4, 17, 5)
Ignatius of Antioch: "I have no delight in corruptible food, nor in the pleasures of this life. I desire *the bread of God, the heavenly bread, the bread of life, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ,* the Son of God, who became afterwards of the seed of David and Abraham; and I desire *the drink of God, namely His blood,* which is incorruptible love and eternal life." (Letter to Romans, 7) "Take heed, then, to have but *one Eucharist.* For there is *one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ,* and *one cup* to [show forth ] the *unity of His blood; one altar;* as there is *one bishop,* along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to [the will of] God." (Letter to Philadlephians, 4)
You should make a video about the Papacy and the primacy of Rome. I know some people dispute the translation of St. Irenaeus, where he says that everyone should agree with Rome, in Against Heresies. My Latin is very basic so not sure how to understand him.
Thanks for another fantastic video. I would love to hear your thoughts on how someone, such as myself, could first approach the works of Saint Thomas Aquinas. Should I be doing any specific reading before hand, or is it appropriate to dive right into his books? Thanks
Can you do a video on Bible commentaries? I know that you did a video on the study bibles. In that video, you included some commentaries. But can you make an in-depth video on commentaries?
Dang, Potential is a baptistic-Presbyterian, Presbyterians do believe in the Real Presence. Make sure to forward these letter to Potential's church, so his presbyter can correct him, too.
Oh whoops - RUclips thought the closed parenthesis was part of the URL. Correct address is here: blog.tms.edu/did-the-early-church-teach-transubstantiation
A new video from St. Irenaeus Ministries? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
As a protestant, ive been searching for these answers. I know somewhere at the bottom of my heart that eucharistic elements are more than mere symbols. I know theres somthing happening at the sacrament. But i dunno what that is.
This video is unique, friendly, easy to understand and very helpful resource.
Thanks for the video.
Same here, read the catechism it will answer many things. Also the catechism and the Catholic Church like to iron out every detail they can. In contrast orthodoxy is not as specific so to speak. However at mass if you pay attention the priest will say “the mystery of faith” or something like that and there is that terminology in Catholicism. So it is to a degree a mystery of faith. But as you stated in your heart you know. I think deep down all us Christians know these things are more than symbolic. Be blessed!
Really hoping we get one of these on Mary/saints/intercession and one on the papacy to really complete Mr. Spam's journey!
I’m a simple man. I see a new video from St. Irenaeus Ministries and I click on it. Easy peasy.
Can't wait for the next chapter in P. Spam's journey to the True Faith. I'm predicting a stopover in Anglo-Catholicism
The Catholic Brothers (Steven & Don Alspach) followed almost that exact same path.
I don't know, maybe a stopover at Lutheranism would happen.
I discovered your infant baptism video yesterday, lamented the fact that it was apparently the only video in that style, and requested more. And then BAM, today you drop another! Great customer service ;) Hope we don't have to wait 4 months for the next one! Need to get you some sponsors like Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna with some means.
Why in the world do you have less than one hundred likes on this masterpiece?
Sponsor of the video part was a nice touch :D
No better way to start a video than with the second movement of Beethoven's 7th!... Always love your videos, Ted.
He's back! ❤
Thank you very much for your videos
5:13 I just want to personally thank you for reading "i.e." as "that is" instead of reading the letters aloud. It bothers me so much when people do the latter.
These are always really good! 17:28 made me chuckle :) Such a cool vid and really helps the old and the new peeps in their faith 👍
Woohoo!!! Glad I could contribute!! ✏️
Your art is beautiful! It was very helpful to visualize these Church Fathers as we listened to what they said.
Oh I hope we continue to hear from Mr. Spam. These videos are excellent!!
I didn't know I would be this hyped and it haven't even started yet
These videos speak to the depths of my soul. The only think that could make them better is if they were released on VHS and I could have watched them 25 years ago.
Yes please make more of this style I really like this, I showed it your infant baptism video to a friend of mine, he really liked it as well.
Keep ‘em coming👍❗️
I miss you.
I like your videos; they are informative as well as entertaining. So, I wonder if you might do a review of the Ignatius Study Bible (old and new testaments). It is due for release in November 2024.
Your costume are always on point!
17:18 Lutheran here, I was enjoying this video greatly up until this point 😄. In all seriousness though, it's interesting how, by your own concession, you admit the doctrine of Eucharist to be a corollary of the incarnation, or at least commensurate with the same. Yet, when we read in St. John that "the Word became flesh" (Jn. 1:14), we do not understand this in such a manner as to suppose that the substance of the Word was transubstantiated into flesh or that it was converted into a body. Rather, it is to be understood that the Word hypostatically united himself with the substance of flesh such that both the divinity and the flesh are comprehended by one denomination. Therefore, since the sacramental union of bread and body images that hypostatic union of Word and flesh, the reality of the bread (and wine) should not be denied after consecration, just as St. Paul is not hesitant to call the sacramental elements bread and wine. For this does not deny the principal substance and reality of the Supper, which we agree to be the true glorified body of Our Lord, but simply confesses both as one. As St. Irenaeus says, "the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly" (Against Heresies, bk. iv, ch. 18.5).
Thanks for watching! I'm aware that St. Irenaeus has been read as supporting impanation (for example in the notes of the ANF translation of Against Heresies). Jurgens has a footnote on 5.2.3 where he observes quite rightly that "any arguments on the manner of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist are of a subtlety not to be expected in so early an author as Irenaeus."
In my view our insistence on transubstantiation is principally a lex orandi issue - Catholics worship the consecrated elements. For instance, I will be in an Adoration chapel later tonight worshiping the our Lord in the monstrance. If the substance of the bread was not changed into the body of Christ, I will be quite literally a bread worshiper. If however transubstantiation be true,
If you'd like to delve deeper into this, there is no better treatment in English than A Key to the Doctrine of the Eucharist by Dom Anscar Vonier: archive.org/details/keytodoctrineofe0000doma_r2q5/
Thank you. I love your videos; they have been an invaluable resource for me. As I been on something of a spiritual journey. God bless you and your ministry.
Ted, I pray you are well. I'm just a believer who finds your teaching edifying.
Origen
"Formerly, in an obscure way, there was manna for food; now, however, in full view, there is the true food, the flesh of the Word of God, as he himself says: 'My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink' [Jn 6:56]" Homilies on Numbers 7:2
😂 cracking up at the council of Jerusalem “Luther” drop🤣 great video!
Irenaeus
"Moreover, how could *the Lord,* with any justice, if He belonged to another father, have *acknowledged the bread to be His body,* while He took it from that creation to which we belong, and *affirmed the mixed cup to be His blood* ?" (Against Heresies, 4, 33, 2)
"Those who have become acquainted with the secondary (i.e., under Christ) constitutions of the apostles, are aware that *the Lord instituted a new oblation in the new covenant,* according to [the declaration of] Malachi the prophet [quotes Mal 1:11 as well as Rom 12:1 and Heb 13:15].... And therefore the oblation of the Eucharist is not a carnal one, but a spiritual; and in this respect it is pure. For we make an oblation to God of the bread and the cup of blessing, giving Him thanks in that He has commanded the earth to bring forth these fruits for our nourishment. And then, when we have perfected the oblation, *we invoke the Holy Spirit, that He may exhibit this sacrifice, both the bread the body of Christ, and the cup the blood of Christ,* in order that the receivers of these antitypes may obtain remission of sins and life eternal. Those persons, then, who perform these oblations in remembrance of the Lord, do not fall in with Jewish views...." (Fragment 37)
"But how can they be consistent with themselves, [when they say] that *the bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood,* if they do not call Himself the Son of the Creator.... Then, again, how can they say that the flesh, which is nourished with the body of the Lord and with His blood, goes to corruption, and does not partake of life? Let them, therefore, either alter their opinion, or cease from offering the things just mentioned. But our opinion is in accordance with the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn establishes our opinion. For we offer to Him His own, announcing consistently the fellowship and union of the flesh and Spirit. For as *the bread,* which is produced from the earth, *when it receives the invocation of God, is no longer common bread, but the Eucharist, consisting of two realities, earthly and heavenly;* so also our bodies, when they receive the Eucharist, are no longer corruptible, having the hope of the resurrection to eternity." (Against Heresies, 4, 18, 1-5)
"Again, giving directions to His disciples to offer to God the first-fruits of His own, created things...He took that created thing, bread, and gave thanks, and said, 'This is My body.' [Matthew 26:26, etc.] And *the cup* likewise, which is part of that creation to which we belong, *He confessed to be His blood, and taught the new oblation of the new covenant;* which *the Church receiving from the apostles,* offers to God throughout all the world, to Him who gives us as the means of subsistence the first-fruits of His own gifts in the New Testament, concerning which Malachi, among the twelve prophets, thus spoke beforehand [quotes Mal 1:10-11].... the former people [the Jews] shall indeed cease to make offerings to God, but that in every place sacrifice shall be offered to Him, and that a pure one...." (Against Heresies, 4, 17, 5)
Ignatius of Antioch:
"I have no delight in corruptible food, nor in the pleasures of this life. I desire *the bread of God, the heavenly bread, the bread of life, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ,* the Son of God, who became afterwards of the seed of David and Abraham; and I desire *the drink of God, namely His blood,* which is incorruptible love and eternal life." (Letter to Romans, 7)
"Take heed, then, to have but *one Eucharist.* For there is *one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ,* and *one cup* to [show forth ] the *unity of His blood; one altar;* as there is *one bishop,* along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to [the will of] God." (Letter to Philadlephians, 4)
You should make a video about the Papacy and the primacy of Rome. I know some people dispute the translation of St. Irenaeus, where he says that everyone should agree with Rome, in Against Heresies. My Latin is very basic so not sure how to understand him.
Oh! It's a series!!!😮😊
I wonder what he'll become next... 🤔 My money is on Lutheran, but Anglican or Orthodox are also strong contenders. 😂
Thanks for another fantastic video. I would love to hear your thoughts on how someone, such as myself, could first approach the works of Saint Thomas Aquinas. Should I be doing any specific reading before hand, or is it appropriate to dive right into his books? Thanks
Can you do a video on Bible commentaries? I know that you did a video on the study bibles. In that video, you included some commentaries. But can you make an in-depth video on commentaries?
This is HUGE
Where can I find the gorgeous books you have behind ( 6:57 ) ?
You left your quotes open at 3:32 … that letter’s never going to compile correctly.
😂
New video? when?
Audio is a bit messed up on this video
Will fix it in the next one, thanks for the heads-up.
Dang, Potential is a baptistic-Presbyterian, Presbyterians do believe in the Real Presence. Make sure to forward these letter to Potential's church, so his presbyter can correct him, too.
17:18 Replay button 😂
It appears the "bad take" has already been removed, haha
Oh whoops - RUclips thought the closed parenthesis was part of the URL. Correct address is here: blog.tms.edu/did-the-early-church-teach-transubstantiation
@@siministries Thank you - although I think my original assessment may hold true after they see this video.
real presence doesn't necessarily mean transubstantiation
also, TMS is not Presbyterian