Bach Stradivarius 37 versus Yamaha Xeno 9335NY
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- I recently purchased this Yamaha 9335 to go alongside my primary Bach 37. These Yamaha artist models are often referred to as "the best Bach you can buy," and I would say that's a pretty accurate assessment! In this video, I play a few passages back-to-back on both horns and then share some of my observations after some time with them.
Thank You very much for this excellent comparison. It is one of the very very few that are effective. You make it easy to REMEMBER the sound of the 1st trumpet because you cut the 2 nd example very close. Many other comparisons cut only after too much time, so the comparison is much more difficult. For me the winner is the 37.
I'll play my Bach Stradivarius 37 over my Yamaha ALL the time. Been using it for 50+ years. Can't beat the sweeter and more fuller sound of my Bach.🎺
This is an excellent comparison video! About a year ago I played a Gen3 NY against a modern 180s37 and my observations were identical to yours.
You've had a lot of great comments already. But just to give my two cents which I hope are worth as much. I played a Bach 37 for quite a while. I was fortunate enough to be involved in the national guard with which my trumpet mentor played. They were deciding which new trumpets to buy for the band. It's all to say, I spent quite a bit of time with Yamaha new york models and chicago models. The Yamaha's were consistent and dead-centered. I mean, incredibly well centered in their tone. They really instilled a sense of confidence. Ultimately, though, they lacked something. There was something about my Bach that was almost unforgiving. If I had a bad day, it bit me back. But when I got it just right, damn did it sound sweet. Had a personality of sorts I guess.
Funny you should end your comment with the statement that the Bach had a personality. Most of my playing has been on Bach Strads (a Mt. Vernon Model 37 and '75 Model 43 lightweight) , and when I had the chance to play a friend's Yamaha Xeno several years ago, my reaction was that it was a nice horn, but the exact same thought came to my mind. I told my friend that the Xeno was nice, but it just seemed to me to lack personality.
I have a 6310z and I love it, centered and mellow with the right mouthpiece.
Interesting video to watch. Thanks for posting it! I also have an old Bach 37 and a Yamaha 9335NY, and I agree with your findings. I have actually had two 9335NY's. My current one is the latest generation, and the previous one was older. I also find the Yamaha to be extremely even and more in tune with it self, just as you say. My Bach on the other hand has an extra dimension to the sound somehow. I like both of them, They are good, but a bit different
Would you say the Gen 2 version of 9335NY better than the original one?
Only tried a 8310ZII and find it to be more responsive but brighter than gen 1.
im a bach guy. i have played on good yamahas, but theyre few and far between for me. itms just hard to find one that doesnt feel like it’s fighting back. every bach i have played has just let my air flow right on through. the artisan was probably the “stuffiest” but it didnt feel like it was fighting with me. just heavier than im used to.
Lovely. Love them both. You are fantastic and could make music from a cardboard out of a roll of paper towels
I had Stradivarius and that sound stays in the mind. Maybe I am biased but the Bach sound isn’t a myth. In this video it was evident from the very first comparison that the Bach has something else in the sound that no Yamaha will ever produce. Thanks for the video!
Agree the Bach sounds a bit brighter, however, when I looked away from the video, it was very difficult to tell which horn was being played. This confirms to me that the particular sound depends on the player, then the mouthpiece, and well after that- whatever differences there are between 2 versatile comparable professional level horns. Acoustics of the room plays into it as well, as does the microphone. In the end, the differences in sound between the horns is likely more important to the player than it is to the audience.
Love my Bach 37❤
To me these both looks like fantastic trumpets from the future. I'm playing Yamaha 2020 and my kinda musical dream is to try something like Yamaha 5ths or 6ths. Really want to compare the one I'm playing now and a more or less professional one. Just to compare cuz I completely understand that they all are just pieces of pipe and to play any piece of pipe all you need coordination of all the things that are involved, air, tongue and all of that
Maybe it’s because you’re more familiar on the Bach, but your tuning and center of the core sound is much better when you are playing the Bach. A different mouthpiece might balance the Yamaha better for you.
I played a Bach 72 through college and for many years after in concert bands and pro big bands. I switched to a Yamaha 8335 Xeno about 10 years ago and LOVE it...I've had other horns and the Yamaha is just such a great horn to play. I think you sound VERY similar on both horns. Perhaps hard to pickup the differences on your mic. I think you are just used to your Bach 37 and will take some time to adjust to the Yamaha. I think you cannot go wrong either way :)
Great advice. It's also really important to hear a horn from far away and have a friend listen. Projection is important as well.
Eu tenho um jupter, e gosto muito do som que consigo tocando e um professor que tem um vincent , gosta do dom do meu trompete.
I also noticed the veins popping out on your forehead from time to time 😊
Sound of 37 is much better
And they are stuffy as hell.
I will replace valve block with meinlschmidt maw and lead pipe with a bit different one.
@@MultiTrumpetman Or you can get a round tuning slide.
Great idea
Encuentro el sonido de Bach mas cálido y afinado
On this side of the bell I can’t tell the difference at all.
Would you know how to compare a French Selmer to these two horns??
I've played a few Selmer K-Modified trumpets (both regular and light-weight), and I also own a Selmer Chorus 80J, which has been my horn of choice recently. All of the Selmer trumpets I've played have had a nice complexity to the sound, and a certain shimmery quality. The 80J is more "freeblowing" than either the Bach or the Yamaha, but doesn't feel too big. The K-Modified feels very compact (in a good way) and is more nimble to play than either the Bach or Yamaha. All of the Selmer trumpets have had great valves, too. The K-Modified I've played don't project as well as a Bach or Yamaha or my more modern Selmer 80J, so they aren't as useful on a stage, but are really fun for jazz combo playing or things like Charlier etudes. Hope this is useful!
37 all the way
Хорошие трубы и звучат примерно одинаково. Спасибо.
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Yamaha sounds good but also thinner compared to bach. I would choose bach because of the fuller sound on notes. I'm not even a Bach kind of player. Sorry to differ.
only Bach!
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Good ❤❤❤❤
All Yamahas sound the same because they are made by machine, bachs however are made by hand and all have different sounds
Yamaha xenos are handmade
Sound of 9335 is much better
Mouthpiece?
Yamaha has sharper crisp tone….Bach is heavier, more mellow tone. Prefer older Benge over both.
Does any company still makes Benge trumpets? thought this brand is in the past forever. If some company makes new models, Benge is definatelly the best one to buy. I've heard Benge is all about open sound and stuff which is priority num one to me
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Non sono confrontabili. Sono 2 trombe diverse tra loro
the yamaha sounds more good
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