Djokovic Outmatched By Alcaraz In Wimbledon Final | Three Ep. 159
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In a remarkable effort, Novak Djokovic reached the finals of Wimbledon five weeks after having knee surgery. But, Carlos Alcaraz proved to be too much in the final. Join Gill, Amy, and Joel as they dig into Novak's Wimbledon, Rafael Nadal's summer tennis, and the upcoming Olympic Games -- all on the latest edition of "Three -- The Tennis Show."
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Three is a show about Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. These competitively dominant tennis icons have been a lifeline to millions of fans around the world. We look to tell their stories through discussions of tennis history, tactics, psychology, technique and more.
California-based Joel Drucker has been writing about tennis for nearly 40 years, his work appearing in such outlets as Tennis Channel, Tennis.com, Racquet and a host of general interest media, including the New York Times, HBO, CBS, Cigar Aficionado, Men's Journal and People Magazine. Author of the book, "Jimmy Connors Saved My Life," Joel is also a historian-at-large for the International Tennis Hall of Fame.
Amy Lundy is a reporter whose work has been featured on ESPN, CNN and The Golf Channel. She is Director of Films at The Tennis Congress.
Gill Gross is the host of Monday Match Analysis. His weekly RUclips show, which analyzes ATP matches and news, has amassed over 5,000 subscribers.
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Their 14-minute opening game was a sports moment masterpiece. 😂
Like Hagler-Hearns round 1. ruclips.net/video/HL2a2-8OHdg/видео.htmlsi=vjOqF0Xv7twJh13y
That missed volely from Novak at deuce was what cost him, not saying he would have won the match, but would have made it to the 4th set maybe.
@@pauljohnson6019 he would have won one more game and that’s it
The BBC commentators falling over themselves to say Alcarath (badly) drove me crazy 🤣🤣
BBC drives me crazy, period.
@@bradleydavis9502 in a word, Andrew Castle 🤣
Well done for BBC commentators trying to pronounce Alcaraz correctly. They're showing respect.They will get there eventually.
@@globaltempowhy don’t you show some respect by spelling his name right
@@josep9599 mistake edited. Now, try to pronounce Alcaraz correctly and we will be even.
With Novak's movement, I've been saying this from the start of the year. He's naturally been slower this year than last year and that's even before his knee injury. Speed is so important at the top level, and was why I didn't think he'd ever reach a GS final again unless he gets a lucky run or Alcaraz / Sinner are injured. He can't extend rallies effectively where he needs to retrieve the ball quickly, nor get into optimal positions when moving across the court.
He'll do very well to make the last 4 of any GS for the next year and a half, and I think this match finally exposes the reality of the situation, and I expect he'll retire in 1.5 - 2.5 years time.
He'll probably give next year a real go, but will recognise he can't compete at the level he wants to. But he even said it himself, he felt half a step off the pace - and against the top opponents where he needs it, he'll notice this now on a more regular basis.
Perfectly well stated!!! That's it in a nut shell ...
Here here 😊😊😊
let's revisit this in 12 months ;)
I think too much is given into the match. This is similar to Australian Open 2019 when Nadal came off from a surgery in december and faced minnows till the final. He then faced Novak who was on a different level and was demolished. This time it was Djokovic who was on the receiving end of it.
I think so too. I cannot believe the amount of overanalysis going on.
AGREE
But hes been below par for 7 months now, and is 37, its not normal to totally turn it around from there. If anyone can do it, its novak but its hardly overanalysis to observe that novak has been on the slide this whole year.
Correct, you can only judge Novak after US and AUS, plenty to play for.
Correct, you can only judge Novak after US and AUS, plenty to play for.
All my appreciation to Nole for the gratious way he behaves when he looses, I'm a Carlitos' fellow and love the way he treates the boy, it takes a lot of nobility and love for what you do to be that cool in such defeats
agree
Novak is much more humble in defeat than Fed or even Nadal. That was a weakness of theirs Novak doesn't have.
@@RedLeggett Why did you have to make it about Rafa and Roger? Just appreciate Nole
Retract the “boy” statement IMMEDIATELY BOY!! He’s now a fully GROWN MAN Albeit a YOUNG ONE!!🤬🤬
@@zedearl5181 I'm 58, my son is 22 , for me Carlos is still a boy
I was surprised that Djokovic even reached the Final, with all these Youngsters like Alcaraz , Sinner etc. playing so well, and he has Not been at his Best all year. Shows his mental toughness and also his Experience. I thought it would have been Alcaraz and Sinner in the Final , but it had to be Djokovic to prove that Carlos could "DEFEND" his Title against one of the "Greatest" Tennis players who has won 24 Major Titles. So Kudos to Djokovic for reaching the Final after having Knee Surgery and also at 37 years old, and he was also chasing History. He did Not use the Surgery as an Excuse for his Defeat. He accepted it with "Grace, and Class," and Acknowledged that he was " Outplayed" by Alcaraz. CONGRATULATIONS to Carlos Alcaraz on Defending the Title 🏆🇪🇸 👏👍👍❤️ and to Novak for showing such Class in Defeat.👌👏👍
Excellent measured statement
It was such a bitter taste that he lost in the finals in straight sets but I am happy to hear him speak on the post-final press conference. He now knows what he is up against and has to work extra hard if he plans on winning another slam which I am sure motivates him.
Yes, at 37, he has a particularly tough task ahead, because he has to bring his best tennis, and trying and combat the speed issues
Before the match, the majority opinion was for Djokovic. Little mention of the knee. He'd had easy matchups, was fresh. But Carlos was dialled in. Consistent, creative and with tremendous speed and power. Djokovic was overwhelmed. The aura of invincibility for Djokovic is gone.
There certainly wasn't a majority for Djokovic.
That is the benefit of doubt you get when you have your knee surgery just 3 weeks before Wimbledon, there is very little expectation on you and anything you accomplish is just extra. And when you reach the final it is so crazily unbelievable that you can only get praise and acknowledgment that tou did it despite your knee being bad. Which it was and we still expected djokovic can win because he is the goat.
@@innerparty1 I assume you consider yourself the majority?
Nole is beast
To compete at this level at 37 its just unbelievable
His lifestyle will be studied for decades once he finishes his career
Sure by his standards he played belllow average this match but he will be back stonger
What weak draw🎉
Get real he is 37 and he is not ever coming back stronger.
How about nadal at 36 winning 2 consecutive slams and reaching the semis of the 3rd, where he retired . Did not lose.
The impressive thing about the win for me that I don't think was altered by Djokovic's knee was the serve and return matchup. I was extremely impressed by Alcaraz's serve and return. And that meant Djokovic couldn't effectively shorten points and still win like he could against everyone else he played.
Gill, he didn’t loose to Sinner in straight sets
yep, it was in 4 sets (as far as I recall).
Gill is a Sinner fan boy in disguise, since many years now.
Great show guys!:). Couple things:
Hats off to Novak. Yes. But let’s be real here. And my boy Gill made it crystal clear when he did his preview/prediction show. Gill picked Nole to win the tourney. And I know exactly why. Were Gill and I the only two people who thought Novak could make a run after we saw the draw come out? Who did he have to face that was a dangerous grass courter? Honestly other than Popyrin, who has never gone far in a slam, but has a massive serve and seems like a throwback grass courter, which was great to see, there were no other threats in my mind. And I think in Gill’s mind as well. Hurkacz maybe, but I was never truly scared for Novak due to Hubie.
The tigers 🐅 were on the other side of the draw. And only one 19:22 would make it through. Gill saw it clear outta the gate, and that’s why he had Novak going to the final, even with his knee compromised.
Hats off to Gillian.
And in Carlos and his teams mind, they felt pressure to win. They want to ascend, and get better. It would have been a step backwards for him to lose to Novak on Sunday. Partly because he was less than 100% healthy, and also because Carlos won last year, and should be a year better.
So this was a very, very important win for Carlos and his team. Similar to Novak winning in 2015 vs Roger, after he won in 2014.
Let's give a little more credit to a great athlete who's at the end of his illustrious career and not dig into his loss in London
Carlos is definitely playing less "kamikaze" tennis now.
It's only a matter of time before Djokovic will not be able to beat Alcaraz any more. Alcaraz is 21 and already an all time great. Djokovic is 37. Do the math.
That time may have already come, but this Wimbledon tournament was not the place to judge that. Djokovic had just miraculously made the Wimbledon final after a knee surgery when conventional wisdom says he shouldn't have even played in it.
Sure - but Alcaraz doesn't always play like that. Earlier this year he was losing to people like Marozan.
@@aldoromano-be8su Alcaraz looks like he needs to be psyched to play his best and loses focus when its too easy or when it's not a big tournament. But, for the fans, it would be nice if he is human otherwise it would get boring if he wins all the time
@aldoramano-be8su earlier this year man what are you on some good stuff
When Fabian beat him he just won Barcelona and Madrid just for your information u act like he’s not human he only only the man was 30-3 entering that match or something like that but he was losing to everyone might wanna keep ya comments to ya self
Novak is still Novak of the past, except if he is facing Jannik or Carlos. In that SW19 finals if it was as just Medy or Zev he could've won that Slam. Alcaraz performance on that day
improve a lot from serving mid 130s to prescision returning with power and very few unforced error. But I knew Carlos kept something extra motivation to beat Novak because if he just played moderately like the past few matches I don't think he would have beaten Novak. Besides he now knows how to beat Novak as he said in the press con prior to the match. Alcaraz was just phenomenal on that day, whoever in front of him can't even come closer to that performance. UNBELIEVABLE PERFORMANCE. HE HAS THAT X-FACTOR THAT OTHERS DON'T.
What a blind analysis, perhaps we would win against Medy in the final, but that only shows how much above everyone novak is that he can win slam even only 3 weeks after a knee surgery. Dont be mistaken to again write djokovic off, because just as last year he has a good chance to bounce back after such a mishap in the wimbledon final. I just wish that he can regain his physical strength to fight some 1-2 years more on high level. Because if he plays even on 80% of his top level he will win multiple slams in the next years.
10:17 Djokovic lost to Sinner in four sets, not straights
So
it felt like 3
Gill gets a lot wrong for someone who is meant to spending his time on this sport- the other two don’t get facts wrong
I'm Spanish and I live in Madrid. No one says “Álcaras" in Spain. Literally no one. We all say "Alcaráz". Someone from Andalucía, depending on the province, might say pazo instead of paso (step), but It does not work the other way round.
Otherwise, great content. Thanks!
@@christianlaw8234 exactly, only people from Latin America would say Alcaras.
We don’t care!!! We speak English here
@@RobinahMAKAYAGA if you didn't care you wouldn't protest in Twitter about the sound of Alcaraz in Spanish. My point is the sound of our "z" is as good or as bad as your "th", so there's no reason to protest.
@@RobinahMAKAYAGA In Spain we mispronounce a lot of English/American names, and that's ok. But we surely don't mispronounce Alcaraz, as Gill says we do in some parts of the country. That's all.
Thank you, Three for a great show!
All kudos to Alcaraz, who played an amazing match.
I wanted Novak to win and I'm not so much surprised that he lost, but the way he lost.
I sensed the same luck of motivation and strength from him...kinda like a deja vu from AO this year.
I hope he can win one more GS before retiring.
Thank you for watching!
30:20 alcaRAZ in Spanish with the Z being pronounced like TH in THINK but Latinos would pronounce the Z as S. People from southern Spain would drop the consonant at the end of the word but that's because the accent/dialect we speak in the south.
As English speakers I think it'd make more sense if you stressed the first syllable instead of the last one. That's my very personal opinion. I'm a Spaniard
@@Juan_Dystopian if English don't have a problem with the word "path" they shouldn't have a problem with "Alcarath" ...think of "Alka-path" and you're almost there
Yes, if you hear how Alcaraz introduce himself it's a word where the stress is on the final syllable, like "universidad" , I am not spanish, but I do speak Spanish and I feel that the Brits and Americans are adding too much TH to the name. The spanish "z" is much more subtle.
This reminds me of the other GOAT Serena in her later years at slams. Couldn't quite get over the hump and win.
It rather reminds you of Serena vs Sharapova at Wimbledon when Maria when her first. Novak will come back and come back strong. @sunmanyi3265 he will equal Federer's 8 Wimbledon titles next year!
Serena never had the level of competition Novak had. Her greatest rival was Henin who pulled a Borg and left as World #1 in her prime. Venus tested her from '99-'03.
@bradleydavis9502 fair enough but result is the same.
@@bradleydavis9502 Graf or Serena whos better?
@@MentallyLibtarded Serena 100%. If Steffi played Serena in their respective primes, Serena wins 8 out of 10. Serena-Seles, however, would be an absolute war.
12:23 no… way more pressure on Alcaraz. Because (1) Alcaraz was favored going into that final and (2) Djokovic barely seems to be affected by pressure any more. He literally just plays at a high MENTAL level in every big match. He only loses to opponents with physical superiority.
I'd agree, we've rarely seen Novak lose mentally. Against Medvedev 2021 was one of the few occasions.
@@Jalleur14325 early on his career, Djokovic would break mentally to Federer, simply because everybody eventually breaks in a match when the opponent appears unbreakable. Once he got to his peak game and figured out he could read and counterpunch everything Federer has, but at higher percentages, he was very comfortable with Federer matchups. He knew only way Federer could beat him was serve out of his mind, and/or consistently be ridiculously brilliant.
Nadal broke everybody mentally including Djokovic and Federer at times, because Nadal almost never gave up on a point in his life, let alone a game or a match. Only way to beat Nadal was by being physically far superior (outserve him for example) and mentally equal.
Last year Djokovic won 3 out of 4 Grand Slams, reached the finals of the other one. Won the ATP finals (the tournament where you don't have "good draws"). This year he started without his team, he certainly was not himself against Sinner in Australia or against Alcaraz in England. Novak is not going anywhere for now if the health allows him to play, he has more than 5 Slams in him yet. We suffer from recency bias, we see Murray and Nadal struggling and inmediatly want to put Novak in that bag, despite he has proven over and over he is just different.
Props to Alcaraz, he will have a beautiful rivalry with Novak, Alcaraz is simply a genius, like a fusion of Novak and Federer, but with a much much better mindset.
5 slams ? you are a delusional
If you play tennis, and you are a step slow because you haven't recovered from your injury, then you get to a lot of balls later than you want, and you need to have the ball in front of you in order to attack it, if you're slow, then the ball is alongside you or slightly passed you and then your return will have way less speed and way less depth and you get hammered on the next shot.
End result is that you look washed up and over the hill, but that is very misleading, Nole will be working on getting his knee up to full speed ( and possibly learning a new language in his spare time), and once his knee is recovered he will be able to attack as before.
Novak and Alcaraz don't have much of a rivalry. It will be short lived. Novak got lucky last year and now he ran out of luck. Lucky because if Carlos didn't cramp at rg2023 and if Carlos met Novak at usopen finals.
@@thisisjuanhoyos Amazing to read how you really think Novak has 5 more slams when he’s 37 with a bad knee and an already legendary player in Carlitos looking to dominate tennis himself. It’s just not realistic. Novak is the goat but he’s not Jesus. His time is ending let’s enjoy his last dance and be grateful for the memories but let’s not be delusional here.
At best Djokovic can win 2 more slams. It will be difficult to beat Medvedev, Zverev, Sinner, or Alcaraz in a slam.
Followed the match on the radio in France. What came through loud and clear is that Alcaraz has incredible killer instinct - like Nadal at his peak - he knows when he needs to turn Godzilla.
As a die hard Novak fan, I will be thrilled to see him win one more Slam, AO could be the most logical.
This has to be the beginning of the end for Novak. He’s 37 and was outplayed in this final, the semi at AO v Sinner. Pushed to 2 back to back 5 setters in the first week at RG before suffering that knee injury. It was a miracle he made it back and got to the final 3 and half weeks after the operation.
I suspect he will go the Serena route rather than Sampras end to his career chasing that elusive 25th slam. Roger, Rafa and Andy all retired or retiring this year.
Oh finally! We get the acknowledgement (thank you Joel) that Carlos, despite being Spanish and of course looks up to Rafa and wants to be like him (ie never say die mentality), that who he really wants to *play* like is Federer, his actual inspiration.
Cam is saying what we can all see; Carlos is the better tennis player over Sinner. Just like Roger was ALWAYS the better tennis player- still is in fact ,has all Carlos' shots, and more and a vastly better serve than Carlitos and had the super fast, explosive movement too, so much so that it didnt look as fast cos he got there so smoothly, looked like he had time to spare. Luckily for Carlos, he is the younger player rather than the Novak-like Sinner, tho there isnt a 6yr age gap so it wont affect their rivalry to anything like the same degree , but still, he isthe younger of the two so has that advantage as well as being built like Rafa, whereas poor skinny Sinner had to grow his body first, still is in fact.
I think truth be told his real idol is Federer, but as a young Spanish player, he has to say his idol is Nadal. I am sure Nadal is someone he admires, like you say "Spanish never die" - I think inspiration is the thing that drives a player more.
It ispronounced Alcarath. The z in Spanish--Castillian anyway is pronounced th. If Carlos says that's how his name is pronounced then it is.
@@mariepelletier3020 it's not that hard, "path" and "bath" have the same termination.
@@globaltempo so th then--
With all due respect to Novak because it sure is impressive to make a final after surgery. But his draw was easy form the get go, all the top players where in the other side. He got a W.O. And Musseti in the semis lol. It was good but not inspirational imo.
This episode is a classic example of the big difference between getting ahead of a trend and analyzing a trend post hoc. Three can do the latter well, but certainly not the former, at least not regarding the only remaining competitive member of the name of the show. The fact is that the signs that this is a step-down year for Djokovic have been there for over six months, but were largely whitewashed by Three prior to the Wimbledon final, in service of breathless appreciation of the Old Master Djokovic. Let’s go through this thesis:
First, the baseline for my assessment is the comment I posted on the pre-finals episode: “The Djokovic story thus far is his joke of a draw. Alcaraz has beaten players with a combined 14,201 ranking points, Djokovic just 9,530, and if you pull out the de Minaur walkover, 5,700 points. Alcaraz should win on Sunday--it would be the just result.”
Second, in this podcast, to start, Joel sees the final turning out to be the first best test of Novak at Wimbledon, who had not played a top-20 opponent prior to the final. Where was the heavy focus on the difference in caliber of competition in the podcast PRIOR to the final? If a podcast goes on for 40 minutes and mentions that Djokovic has had some fortunate match-ups to get to the final, that is NOT the same thing as emphasizing his weak draw and its implications in its analysis.
Third, mystifyingly, Amy says “I thought we nailed it.” Did she sleep through those podcasts prior to the final? Did she dream that the group consensus was that Alcaraz would rout Djokovic? Prior to the final, Amy was actually saying that, sure, you could say Djokovic had a bit of an easy path to the final, while NOW, now she’s obsessing about the difference in the speed of play between the caliber of opponents Alcaraz faced and those Djokovic faced. She didn’t say anything about the speed of play presented by the opposition prior to the final.
Fourth, Gill says that in the final Djokovic just looked too slow, and is just not in a position where he can “offense my way to a win.” Of course not! Djokovic is NOT that player. He’s a spot-serving backboarder. He can come to the net more against weaker opponents like Rune and Musetti (how many majors have THEY won?), not against the elite tier (how many majors have Sinner and Alcaraz won?).
Fifth, Amy returns to the gap between the top-5 and the rest of the field. But name me ONE TIME prior to the final when she mentioned the difference between RANKINGS of the players Djokovic faced vs the rankings of those Alcaraz faced. She certainly didn’t mention it as clearly as I did in my comment above.
Six, Amy quotes Federer about not thinking about winning short points, and before the final, she said she was concerned about Alcaraz thinking about not wanting to play a lot of long points against Medvedev. What she missed is that what Alcaraz MEANT with his comment was that he wanted to take INITIATIVE in the points, even against a top-tier opponent. Taking initiative is the defining difference in Alcaraz’s game. The only type of initiative Djokovic takes against top-tier opponents is the direction of his groundstrokes (e.g., backhand down the line). Taking initiative against elite players with droppers or net rushing just is not a reliable part of Djokovic’s arsenal. (It isn’t part of Sinner’s arsenal, either).
Seventh, prior to the final, Gill knocked people for holding onto the years-out-of-date view that Djokovic wants to extend points. But after the final, Gill now says that he was surprised that Djokovic didn’t try to go to lockdown mode more often to steady the ship against Alcaraz. The dirty little secret is that Djokovic, for all his improvement of his serve and volley, remains a player who has built his career around grinding defense and endurance, and if those aren’t good enough for him to beat the elite players, then he won’t beat them.
Eighth, before the final, Gill emphasized how much Djokovic had turned his season around from the motivational concerns many bemoaned during the clay court swing, when many even said that Djokovic would not win another major. NOW, Gill praises Joel’s insight that outliers are starting to look like inliers. NOW, Gill says that Alcaraz and Sinner set the standard for winning majors and Djokovic has lost in straight sets to them both times. Hmm, recall that Zverev did better against Alcaraz at RG than Djokovic did against Alcaraz at Wimbledon, so who is best measuring up to the standard for winning a major going forward: Zverev, Medvedev or Djokovic? This question is now not as easy to answer as Three certainly would have told us prior to the Wimbledon final.
Ninth, Amy revealingly admits, “I don’t watch much diminishment of skill.” Well, it’s going to be hard for her to spot it, then, won’t it? She’s been blind to it all year. Remember how much weight she put on the water bottle excuse?
Tenth, Joel is dismissive of fans-as opposed to “media”-who don’t even want to count the Wimbledon final because of Djokovic’s knee. But the next time Joel is so dismissive, he might listen to the breathless tone of admiration of the efficiency and craftsmanship of Djokovic’s practice and play at Wimbledon, which he saw first hand this year. In the pre-final podcast, Joel sure sounded like a fanboy to me.
Eleventh and finally, Gill notes with praise Djokovic’s masterful display of skills in his run to the final. But what Gill is missing is that Djokovic’s ELITE skills do NOT include those necessary for offensive play. His serve, volley and dropper are very good-good enough for the likes of Rune and Musetti-but they have never been the cornerstones of his 24 major victories. They certainly won’t be good enough to get any more major victories.
Enough of my thesis. This episode also had some nice nuggets:
* Joel made the good point about Alcaraz taking something off his passing shots, which can actually make them tougher volleys (because that puts more pressure on the volleyer’s technique to do something with the shot).
* Three noted the interesting-and shocking-stat that the longest rally of the match was 13 shots. Wow-that might set a record for the shortest longest point of a major final!
* Joel admitted that he needed to better understand the type of surgery Djokovic had. SO TRUE for me as well. The only thing I’ve learned is that Djokovic had his meniscus removed not repaired, which improved recovery time. But what does the meniscus do? Are there any consequences of removing it? Or is it like a tonsil or appendix? I just have no idea, and haven’t seen much about it in the tennis press (although I have not been that diligent in looking for it, I admit).
What nobody mentions is even Novak himself has said numerous times he has never played anyone like Carlos Alcaraz.
He says Roger and Rafa each had their own specialty but Carlos is the most complete player aside from himself that he has ever played against and he happens to be a hell of a lot younger and he's playing with confidence.
As soon as we saw the Draw, i dont think anyone thought Novak wudnt reach the Final.
"How could we have known there was a problem?"
Really. His movement was suspect for the whole tournament. Some improvements as he moved through the rounds, yes, but still suspect. The issue is you can still knock out wins against those who don't know how to exploit your weaknesses but you'll get exposed against the right opponent. Grass comp not the best so no surprise he made the final with the draw he had (including QF w/o).
Everyone makes excuses for Djokovic and Sinner when they don't measure up. Carlos is the real deal.❤❤❤
I find it really hard to listen to the excuses concerning the knee after hearing all the praises in the preview before the final.
Right, right. I think Gill put too much stock on Novak's game standing vs the more complete, extremely aggressive game that Alcaraz brings. At his highest level, this match-up is on Alcaraz's racquet... If Alcaraz is off, he may lose, but if he's on all cylinders, Novak's defense and game style has no chance.
@@creativestudio101i hope that you realise this statement only applies on injured knee djokovic. Because if djokovic is 100% healthy it doesnt matter if alcaraz playes his absolute best djokovic can still win, even now i think djokovic is favorite against him if he is healthy and plays at least somewhat good. I hope to god that he hears my words and grants us the opportunity to see that scenario 😊
You can't blame the knee surgery guys,as others have said of wasn't fit or ready he wouldn't have even entered the tournament,Djokovic recently said it himself,his level is not at sinners or alcaraz right now
As a Swede I really enjoyed this episode.
Firstly, your pronunciation of "Båstad" was spot on Gil.
Secondly, I cannot believe that Amy ran into Björn Borg twice, randomly! I've lived here for most of my life and I've NEVER run into him.😅
But I will be looking up those photos of you and him Amy 😉
Alcaraz very strong and fast in all surfaces at 21 yo.
Like an older golfers past 50 whom would lose distance every year, joker’s at the tail end of his career and suffers from the same physics in performance or recovery. He is still the GOAT and don’t see him losing to any top players except 4 sinner and alcaraz in the next 1/2 years. Alcaraz’s serve is vastly improving and reached high 120 and mid-130s in Wimbledon. Once he dials up the accuracy, no one can catch him.
You say top players other than those mentioned, what about all those ranked outside the Top 20?
Because in 2024, majority of his losses have been against guys ranked well outside the Top 20
Famous last words!!! Give the kid a break and let him enjoy being human. Too heavy and too soon expectations of him are more liable to break him than to make him better. We humans sometimes fail to appreciate that the very best of our kind in a certain pursuit are still merely human. That "target" on Carlos' back gets simply bigger with each additional win that he gets. How Novak withstood being such a target himself for 428 weeks gives him entry through the door into the realm of immortality.
Wonderful discussion. If Djokovic and Nadal can hang around for couple of years then they will be able to win 1-2 grand slams as Alcaraz and Sinner are not going to be fit and in form all the time.
Thankfully Alcaraz, Sinner and Medvedev are filling the space created by Big3's exit.
Possibly Djokovic but sadly not Nadal
Nadal is done.
Has Alcaraz officially separated himself from the pack? Is he on a tier all his own -- above Sinner, Djokovic, and Medvedev -- or is it too early to say?
Wow! What a great story from Amy. Can't wait to see those pictures of her and Bjorn.
Thank you Gill for explaining the Alcaraz pronunciation being different within Spain.
During Queens, Andrew Castle, the BBC commentator, said that he wasn't bothering with changing the pronunciation to how it's said on the ATP Website and got a load of stick from people.
It should be pronounced Alcarath, stressing the end of the word. Trying to pronounce it properly is a proof of respect.
It isn't true you can pronounce Alcaraz in both ways correctly. Spanish is very straight forward, it's not random like English. There's ONLY ONE correct way of pronouncing Alcaraz.
Djokovic had a bad serve day. Alcaraz had a very good serve day. Djokovic had bad timing on neutral balls, he failed at the net and Alcaraz beat him not because of the age difference, but because his technique was better.
He has lost speed to get to those drop shots, but also slowed by the knee.
In the day yes.
If Novak continues trying to equal Federer's 8th wimbo elusive record, he most probably will equal Nadal's 13 bagels instead. On record, Nadal has 13 bagels received, Novak 12 and Federer 5. He almost got it in the first set of his straight sets loss in wimbledon.
When you've won 24 or 22 majors, who exactly gives a **** how many bagel sets they've dropped!
@@DaveOwen-vn6ie
Who gives a f? Novak exactly! When he desperately wants to equal Federer's Wimbledon record but ends up adding one or two more bagels to his negative record, how do you think he feels? You think he will say who gives a fuck? You are not the one feeling it, so shut up.
@sunmanyi3265
Very mature!
So I guess your implying if Djokovic loses a match in 5x tie break sets then he's going to be very happy and pleased with himself but if he were to lose 1x set 6-0 in a 5x set battle then he be DEVASTATED!!!
Really?!?
You need counselling
@@DaveOwen-vn6ie
Counselling? Like I said, you're NOT the one playing and feeling the loss, so shut up.
@sunmanyi3265
Why don't you shut up!
Do you NOT realise that you can LOSE a set 6-0 yet STILL win a match?
Nadal did it against Thiem at US Open 2018 but according to you, he would have been devastated that he lost a set 6-0 regardless of winning the match!!
Idiot!!!!
Is this guy really a 7 time winner and that too on grass... Amy lundy please teach him how to volley . Pun intended
I also was waiting for this . ☺️
I felt at the start of the year that this could be Alcaraz's take off year, similar to Federer in 04. My only concern was health.
I can see Alcaraz and Sinner winning 75% of all majors for the next 4-5yrs.
I hope Zverev can get over the line and win a major, as he could be the one guy that could be a thorn in their side.
Rune is always the hope as well.
More like 95 percent. Maybe zverev steals one(RG)
Did Cramps help Djokovic beat Alcaraz in RG 23?Will never know just like Ankle doing Zverev in during RG22.
Rafa was ahead of zverev in that RG 22 match. Djoker carlos were 1 set each in RG 23. So not fair. Zverev dont win long matches because of health issue so probably rafa would have won RG 22 but novak not sure
How do you guys explain the fact that Musetti said this is the best Novak he has played despite having played the version of Novak that won 3 majors in a year and it would’ve 4 if he made fee easy backhands against Alcaraz ?
I don't think Novak is slower this year. It wasn't the knee IMO. Facing a faster Alcaraz, Novak's game plan of serve-and-volley backfired. He needs a coach. Novak can read Musetti. It's not the case with Alcaraz or Sinner, against whom Novak needs the reflex and endurance. But at age 37..
I think serve was key .
he has never faced him on grass before
Musetti is not as good as Alcaraz, of course he has more trouble with Djokovic. Also, I don’t think Musetti played particularly well against Djokovic, this time.
Novak took another part of Alcaraz' soul in Paris last Sunday Aug 4th ( added to the Cincinnati, ATP Finals matches )
he's not finished. _You must remember that Novak is 37 but that is not 37_ . He really is 33 /34 max.
al-ka-rÁz ending like ( th) in English -- last syllable stress. Like “Alcatraz”. No way like a lot say “ Ál-ka-raz”.
Djokovic not just wants to retire, I would say he should and has to, very soon.
Runner up at Wimbledon? All done?
Amy’s hair looks so good!!
Haha thanks 😊
Olympic's, USO , Paris Masters, ATP Finals for Novak to focus on
Alcaritos was playing @ such a high level, Novak did not have a chance - set 3 was competitive, but not enough to extend the match. Such a high level from Carlos & Nole playing very descent but nowhere near good enough to match it. Just an ole-fashioned beat-down. Kudos to Nole for knee surgery to Wimby final - just amazing! Thanx J-A-G. Luv U Guyz-Gal ❣Cheers, Milan🎾
Thanks Milan!
@@amylundy8664❤🙏😘
Surprisingly beat in the final ????
Geezus wake up man - look at the draw he played - and pay attention to your first guest commentator!!!
I just find it funny how people concentrate on this final and use the knee excuse but forget the first 6 months of this season. What's the excuse for those ? Not one victory over a top ranked player and losses to low ranked players. Besides lots of games where he needed to use the Djokovic card to beat low ranked players instead of just dominating them. So, is it just a bad season or a sign of father time ? We will see. But what is clear is that he can't bully this next generation like he did with the previous one (Meddy, Zverev, Tsitsipas, etc) and i think that will be the definitive sign of his decline, starting to loose against that generation that he dominated. The new one ? Forget it. Especially in 5 sets.
Here's the problem, this year seems like Djokovic is basically done zero top 5 wins no titles etc., but just 7 months ago he absolutely destroyed the "new gen" at the atp finals and won 3 slams last year, I struggle to believe someone can go from 3 slams and year end number 1 then physically decline so fast in 7 months. So basically I'm torn, tennis memories are short.
Yes. You're right, now I don't think Novak will repeat again of saying HE IS UNTOUCHABLE. With Alcaraz and Sinner he's now touchable.😂😂
@Norf.F.C.Zoomer couldn't agree more. As a 50 year old and an active sports guy, I did notice a gradual change over the last years but I can also tell you the 44 to 45 was really a year where recovery levels especially took a turn that was noticeable. I can imagine at this high level where the slightest difference can mean that defeat and win go hand in hand much more regularly. I also think, that regardless of his mental strength that we know him for, the focus is not the same. I am a father of 2, it's impossible to have the same focus. And he is playing much less tournaments and people also use the fact he didn't have much competition this W24 and even a walkover and that cost him. So imagine not playing many tournaments and then arriving at most tournaments without that competitive rhythm and having to do extra hours on the courts against opponents that would barely win a game usually, let alone a set. I think all together is playing a part on his form. The thing is, will he want it to a point of doing like a final year of all or nothing? Keeping like this, I think doesn't cut it anymore.
@@Norf.F.C.Zoomer he served out of his mind in atp finals. He will never serve that again in atp finals. Also carlos beat him last yr at wimbledon as well and would have defeated him at RG as well if nor for cramp
@@jjoao32 completely agree. Djokovic should go now. What is also ridiculous is the fact that he still remains on number 2 in the ATP Ranking while winning nothing this year. The ranking should and has to be reformed in some way.
I knew that when the Djokovic factor does not count any more he will just be a usual player , there is nothing special in his game which would be for coming generations, whereas Edberg, Sampras and Federer, even Nadal, had to offer simply great tennis!!
I don’t think Novak will beat Carlitos at a slam ever again.
I wouldn't be so definitive. We have seen the big 3 come back from big defeats before. Sure, federer succumbed to injuries and Nadal is probably at the end of the road now because of his injuries, but when they were still top players before they got injured. Novak is still great and healthy enough to play at the top level, despite having a knee surgery before the tournament. He will probably improve going into the US open.
it’s certainly possible (just look at Serena), but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Novak beat him in BO5 1 more time
@@Infinityflow0 Sure we saw the big 3 comeback from big defeats before but not against a prime world class way younger player. This was supposed to be the comeback win and he got swept. Tennis history is repeating itself right now; the new legend rises and fends off the old guard. Sure Novak is stubborn but Carlitos has solved the Novak problem, and if history has taught us something is that he won’t loose to him again in bo5.
you're so wrong...
It's weird because Novak matches up way better versus Carlos on hard courts and I feel he has much more of a chance at beating him at the USO or AO. But grass and clay Carlos has the edge over him. Complete opposite with Sinner, where I think Novak will beat him on grass and clay but not hard courts.
Borg Amy story 👌😂 fun 👍 as ever excellent show guys ❤️
Thank you 😊
Zero titles in 2024. Still holds true. How many trophies do you see Djokovic taking this year for the season to be satisfying for him?
Alcaraz is just too good. Good for his competitors that he isn’t focussed all the time!!
Am bummed by Novak's loss and am interested in seeing how he goes on from here. If it happened to him at ten years younger, I'd say, "watch out--a monster will rise from this!" I'm not sure now, though, given his senior tennis age, but he's my favorite athlete ever, and I'll thank him for that and I'll love him 'til the last for what he's given to the most loyal of his fans everywhere. I loved it when gracious Carlos called the great one "still a superman." Just as Novak owed a lot to both Roger and Nadal before him, Alcaraz and Sinner and any of their eventual equals will have turned out to owe a lot to Novak.
Amy's motherly version of the aging champion Novak is sweet; her sense of the game is a happy mix of head and heart. Gill is a seasoned force in our midst and gets better with every dawn. As for Joel, the effect of English crimson strawberries shows on his return sans the RP British accent. 😜❤🎾🎆
Novak deserves all the respect and appreciation in the world. Billions of blistering blue barnacles aka Carlitos that didn't quite allow the smooth sailing of the Titanic called Novak, but then it ain't Novak's fault in the slightest. The likes of Sinner, Meddy, Carlos are taking centrestage slowly but surely.
🎾🎾 Amy, Gill and Joel - Classy, intelligent, warm and here to stay! 🎉🥳
They asked Amy to pose next to Borg because she's gorgeous...
With all due respect.
Aweee thank you sir
@@amylundy8664
You're very welcome.
Anothee factor: Alcaraz is 2 years younger than sinner. By the way, every spaniard would say alcarath, or just alcarà, dropping the last sound, in southern spain. Alcaras more probably in sudamerica
Djokovic was just lucky into final,he got easy draw & didn't play against 10 ten in this tournament.
Agree and he does not have a top 10 Victory all year
Djokovic has the most grand slam finals losses all time with 13. Next most is Fed and Lendl with 11. Highly unlikely Novak will win another slam, he’s already older than the oldest GS champion ever which was Ken Rosewell at 37 yrs 1 month.
The way Alcaraz bulldozed Djokovic I want to call it bulldoz match of the century.
Djokovic is injured.
@phukkiateanuraksakuk7815 if he was so injured he should’ve withdrew from the tournament or final stop with excuses ain’t nobody got time for that he was outplayed end of story
@@colethomas903 his movement was not 100% and he was behind the ball all the time. It was good enough against other players but obviuosly not against Carlos.Wheather it is consequence from he surgery or old age time will show.
Djokovic was just a solid baseliner. He had no one to challenge him in that department over the last couple of years. Players he beat in the Wimbledon finals Berrettini and Kyrious has a one dimensional game. Federer unfortunately choke the 2019 final.
Yep, Novak is a baseliner, first and foremost. And he's above anybody else in that regard, specially cause of his speed and consistent shotmaking. But also, cause he plays high-percentage shots to the point of nausea, and he can withstand it with his incredible defensive skills. But when he tried to be offensive, well... It just didn't work cause he's simply not an offensive, ultra-agressive player by nature, and all that serve-and-volley seemed totally forced, awkward at best. Meanwhile, Alcaraz is an aggressive, seek and destroy monster, that also can play a defensive game, and more.
lol....thats all Novak was......and just demolished everybody.
I got a feeling Ruud might win gold :)
I don’t, ruud just lost in the 2nd round in Sweden
@@rener7940means nothing.
If De Minaur was healthy he would have beaten Djokovic in the Quarters
Highly doubtful
@@MrCWL No doubt about it lol he loses to Fritz or Zverev too he got not only a good draw but the luck aswell. So glad Carlos brought his decline into clear focus.
Disagree! Djokovic would have held serve relatively comfortably vs De Minaur and be in at least 3 De Minaur service games a set.
@@GaryTornado-zy2mz "no doubt about it lol", says a man with clear doubts about it.
@@innerparty1 Yeah nah mate it’s clear as day. Novak will be thinking hard about retirement now. Convincing losses against Sinner in Melbourne and Alcarez in London will hurt ego more than anything. Now for the nail in the coffin. Shelton in New York😂
Nole might as well face Carlos in as many as 4 other gs finals and concede them and that would be just as beautiful to witness
gs/big title finals*
"I don't want to make excuse for this and that" - is a cute way to make excuse. 😊
This was his last chance to win a Grand Slam, from now on will play like Murray never to win something big again, mark my words.
Gill - Novak made the final on a bum knee. Give him another 6 months. Yes, he had a lapse of motivation early this year, but he doesn’t need to be written off.
Keep dreaming 😎😎😎
Alcaraz played very well, but I've never seen Novak play so poorly in the first 2 sets. When does he go down a double break in the first 2 sets in a Major final? Probably never before this final. He also looked out of it mentally.
Also, Novak net rushing and getting destroyed with passing shots. I think Novak had physical problems, or he's slowed down quite a bit.
In Spain its AlcaraTH, in south america and south part of Spain they say it like you do. In Spain atleast where he is from is going to be AlcaraTH.
He is Alcu, a little boy doing big things. 😁😆😂🤣
He is Alcatraz
I believe you are right if you are saying that in Castilian Spanish (as spoken in Madrid and some other parts of Spain) Carlos's name is pronounced AlcarATH, whilst in other parts of Spain and Latin America it's pronounced AlcarASS. It may therefore be seen as excusable for a commentator to pronounce it either way, although Carlos himself seems to pronounce it as AlcarATH. However, what Gill seems not to realize is that the emphasis should be on the LAST syllable, not the first. Amy picked up on this from the way the Wimbledon officials were pronouncing it but Gill failed to take in what she was saying. I heard somewhere that around the time of Queen's Andrew Castle, the commentator, was miffed because he had heard that Carlos had complained about how his name was being mispronounced. One wonders if ít was Carlos's complaing that led to officials at Wimbledon finally getting the it right. If so, good on him! Some may think this is a trivial matter but I'm inclined to the view that commentators (and analysts) should show some respect to the players and do their homework. Carlos is far from the only player to get his/her name mangled.
The emergence of players like Alcaraz reinforces my opinion that there is no Goat in any 1 to 1 sport as long as the sport continues, however I agree with the Best or most Successful of his Generation or period( 7-8 years?). That would be Graf, Serena, Sampras, Roger, Novak…and maybe now Carlos if he stays healthy.
the Olympics are coming fast, wonder if Nole and Rafa are ready . I see a run from Nole maybe, but Rafa has not passes any real tests on clay as he likes the test to get the mojo going.
He is playing the nordea open on clay
considering we've seen Novaks movement and speed wasn't enough for a Wimbledon title, I highly doubt on his olympics outlook.
So good as always. Thanks Gil!
Looks like Lundy was spot on. I thought Novak still had in him to pull off that Novak magic and wins slams he's not supposed to and combined with everyone else not showing great form. I guess Novak had a great shot to vulture this slam if Tiafoe upset Alcaraz and won that tb
But reminder Alcaraz has yet to outperform Novak in a HC slam (when Novak competed ofc). USO could be a close contest, and I like Medvedev there a lot more than the other surfaces.
So you make excuses for why Djokovic lost his Wimbledon match due to his knee injury, but none for Nadal who has been off for a year due to injuries. Do you expect Nadal to be on top of his game after being off that long? I’m done with you all and your lack of fairness
you may fool Mother Nature some of the times, but you cannot fool Father Time at anytime... Djokovic, perhaps for the first time, did show his age in that final match-up... And no technology can fix that, at least not yet... It is strange that the three commentators do not mention at all that de Minaur, one who could have challenged Djokovic a bit on grass given his speed, withdrew from their quarterfinal match, thus giving Djokovic some breathing space and therefore his demolishing of Musetti in the next round...
Amy and Joel - don't you think it's time for the three to be Alcaraz, Sinner and Djokovic? Would love to hear your analysis on the current champions as opposed to erstwhile Big 3.
Without a head coach, he is self coaching himself. I don't know if that's going to be good enough. Nobody is pointing out he avoided to appreciate his team's work when he was asked for it in his aftermatch interview. There's something going in there, I believe it's an issue, and he es lacking the motivation he always had in the past.
Interesting point
Carlos destroyed both Gill and Djokovic.😂
Good one!!😂😂
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You predicted Novak will win 😅😂
Age has caught up with Novak
The old dude with glasses was unbearable to listen throughout this. Novak literary had a surgery 40 days before that final. He didn't train properly.
Alcaraz is a problem tho. Nothing against the dude. But let's not pretend that Novak's year was sadly derailed with bunch of random sh1t happening.
Off course Alcaraz is a reason why Novak doesn't play his best, but at last two Wimbledon finals Novak 100% played below his current form. Neither 2023 nor 2024 against Alcaraz, Novak was not able to reach his "best" current level. I am not sure why. Maybe it is just because it is Wimbledon final and equaling Federer record... Just strange.
Pepperstone rankings have Sinner #1. Novak still at #2 and carlos still at 3. i guess carlos just got to keep his 1000 points from last year..but Novak got 600 new point‼️for reaching finals
@daylightsweet Djokovic didn’t get but 100 points Carlos defend 2k which means he didn’t lose any points another person on here that doesn’t know what there talking about but what’s new
It makes sense because the Spanish people in the UK is from Spain. I think the 'TH' is more used in Spain
Djokovic is not any slower compared to 12 months ago. He wasn't fast enough for Alcarez in 2023, then and now. Federer is not competing. And Djokovic is without a coach. There's no better time than now for Federer to teach Djokovic how to volley. Otherwise Djokovic will be racking up runner-up trophies prior to his inevitable retirement.
i said the same thing. If Med wasnt a crazy servebot against Carlos in USO 2023 semis Alcaraz would beat Novak in the final in 5 sets
29:10 It's called Gh-shtaad, coming from a Swiss German native speaker.
The heir to "The Big Three" has arrived.
First here! Was waiting for this one
Novak is but a shell of his former self, much of this is do to age and throw in the latest minor knee surgery and it was destined that he would get crushed when he faced a great player like alcaraz. HE absoloutely got washed out to sea and should not have played wimbledon. His main goal should have been the olympics this year. He has a big hole in his resume for not having a gold medal and he should have rested for the olympics
In hindsight, even he would surely agree with this statement. Then again, it may have spurred him more than anything else ever could have to maximise his level and all roundedness to beat Alcaraz again in the future. Which he would never have gotten if he hadn't taken such an embarrassing loss. Would be amazing if he goes down that path to try that.
I think Wimbledon will prove to be very important to have given him match sharpness for the Olympics. Which was his plan as Olympics has been his main goal all along.
he used Wimbledon as preparation as he was booked to play Hamburg this week. GS Final is better result that winning any 500.
Anyone with eyes could have seen Novak severely hampered in his movements because of the knee, it looked much worse because of the wear and tear
Yes. I only saw him in the final and saw it right away. He couldn’t slide and go into the split. He was maybe 85% fit.
AL_Ká-raz, the stress is on the second syllable!
Sorry, and with all due respect, but as a Spaniard we emphasize the first and third A, the hypothetical stress would be álcaráz.
@@olgadebartolome1332 You should stress the last syllable "Alcaráth"
The only thing to be said about the Alvaraz/Djokovic game is "Djikovic is 37 years old" -case closed.
You can also say: Djokovic game is safe and boring, Alcaraz game is fng kickass 😂😂
The weak era of the last 5 years is over. No chance for Novak to win.
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Show about Djokovic primarily. LOL. The show is sounding archaic and not keeping up with the times. Still hung up on one retired dude, one almost an exhibition player and one close to the finish line. Why not at least put Alcaraz, Sinner, Djokovic as the 3?
That is really good suggestion to This channel to continue being interesting and keep up with the updated best three as suggested.
Wow.This show started as a show about nole,rafa and fed,when Djokovic retires it is going to end,so what's the problem.Recency bias is strong right now.
Who will win 25 majors first? Carlos or Novak?