I was very close to buying V-strom this winter (Sweden). I opted out of the African twin because of the price level, so my Honda comparison was the Transalp, I don't think it was close to the competition in several ways. So I ended up buying an Aprilia Tuareg 660 which I have now had time to drive a bit....what a bike! It gives me the feeling of joy and happiness every time I drive it. But I also liked the Suzuki V-strom on the test drive I did, a very nice engine for its size.
I am trying to decide between AT and Aprilla right now. Where I live in Medellin Colombia both shops. Would be an everyday bike and hoping to do a ton of off road too. Any suggestions or picks money not being deciding factor? Being w/o bike for months wating for parts does worry me a bit. Any feedback would be appreciated
@@augustbrante8117 Well, your preferences and use must decide. I hope you have the opportunity to test drive your options properly. They don't really compete in the same class, AT with its 64% larger engine and 25% more power. Honda has a good service network in most locations. I think the Aprilia Tuareg is fantastic, but only if you prefer a lighter and agile motorcycle and have access to a reasonable service network.
Thanks Curtis...the 800 for me. A very good all-rounder at a reasonable price. I'll probably tape the wheels for tubeless tyres. Also, the slightly lower CofG in my mind definitely makes the bike feel lighter than the AT. An important consideration for a 70 year old!
800 de, got it for the reliability and versatility. I am though running into a problem buying some aftermarket accessories, but that's to be expected with a newer bike. Quickly becoming my favorite yt adv channel, I'd love to go to Australia and ride. I'll just settle for Mississippi for now. Cheers my friend, happy trails......
Thanks mate, we do have amazing riding. I'm really liking the gear I've put on mine so far, just need some hand guards. I see bark busters have some now
Personally, I’d absolutely go with crazy man Curtis Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE “special”! Any day & every weekend. If you haven’t broken it by now… It can’t be broken. Cheers🤙🇦🇺
I just bought the 800DE. The more expensive a bike is, the heavier the taxes are in my country, so a AT would be €5000 more than the 800DE) For me it’s a travel bike, riding fire roads at the most. I need a bike to see the world, so I traded my 650 XT for the 800 (as I have hit to many traffic barriers with the low clearance of the 650), especially in South America. Thanks for your great videos!
@@onthebackwheel Our home is in the Netherlands. The AT starts at €17.5 The Suzuki at just over €12 So that's quite a difference. I bought the shop demo bike at 10K
Last year I was down to the T7 and VStrom 800 when a low mileage 2017 Africa twin popped up locally. Loaded with all the crash protection and soft bags. The 2017 also has a button for ABS and TC. Real happy with the Africa Twin.
I was going around with the T7, DE 800 and the TransAlp. I ended up buying a KTM 790 adventure and absolutely love the bike. I rolled the dice on reliability hoping I ended up with a good one. Payed extra for cruise and quickshifter. Balance is great, get 59 mpg. 5 gallon tank and 95hp. Great bike for me.
They both look awesome, and you got to give credit to both bikes firstly to the Africa twin being a 1100ccc and still being able to compete off-road against the smaller displacement vstrom. You could be forgiven or thinking Africa twin vrs vstrom 1050 would be the more fair comparison but it doesn’t seem to bother the Honda, And then the 800 vstrom being able to stand it ground against a 1000+cc bike , I think it’s a draw👍
Bought the Vstrom800DE because of value for money. Turned out to be a great decision not just in a financial standpoint but also it performs very well. For the riding that I do (not aggressive on/offroad) this suits me very well. Only needed crashbars and aux lights and you're good to go. Might be moding mine with a high-mount exhaust but still on the edge to do it or not. I always watch your videos a day before a group offroad ride to hype me up pre-ride. 😅
Sitting here just finishing up editing a video trying to figure out what to do while it exports and seen this video. Literally couldn't of been a better video for me. The 2 bikes im currently looking at and just cant decide on. Been leaning towards the vstrom based off price and comfort, but man if that africa twin isn't the best looking adventure bike out there (imo) and obviously much more capable, the switches/electronics and the filter location of it though have also swayed me towards the vstrom... Tough choice indeed
Excellet review Curtis. Your channel has become an Adventure riders must watch. It just goes to show how good the 800DE when it's compared the Hondas flagship.
Wow, shocked to hear you go over the air filter locations! And thinking the Africa Twin is alone in that respect, it's not, and what are these companies thinking? Super fine w/ my Tuareg thanks. I do watch all your videos Curtis, the testing footage is amazing, I'm floored by the off road terrains you throw these bikes through, and the comparison charts you did recently was highly commendable and helpful. Love the way you've expanded your channel from the days of the good ol' KLR, you've taken the bull by the horns!
@@onthebackwheel Absolutely nowhere near the rider you are, pedestrian maybe, but I love the Tuareg. I'll probably challenge myself this summer, my 76th B-Day. Yes, dream bike for sure - tho I'm living vicariously through your ride reviews. I've followed "the feeling" of your rides Curtis. When you rode the Tuareg, I "felt" the ride you had, and your other rides as well. Because you challenge each ride w/ unbelievable terrains, you set up different rhythms w/ each bike that can be felt through the ride videos. Keep it up.
@@1young-geezer thanks mate, good to hear I'm on the right track with my reviews. Doesn't matter if you aren't quick, you can still feel how nice a ride the Tuareg is soon as you swing a leg over it
It really comes down to budget. There are many good, reasonably priced bikes now that will do everything well enough to enjoy yourself without sacrificing too much. The goal must be just to be able to get out there, you don’t need the ultimate bike to be happy!
First of all, thanks for the excellent comparison test of these two motorcycles. Half a year ago, I decided on the 800DE and every day I love that bike more and more. I think the definite winner of the value for money category. Considering that I drive 80% of the time on the road, I'm more than happy with the suspension, it also gives me a sense of security that it won't let me down even on the offroad. that's quite enough for me. the comfortable seat and the driving position give me the confidence that I could use up the last drop of gasoline without taking a break while driving.
Good to see you. Nice comparison. Having now tested some ADV's I would have to go with an Africa Twin. I am just too tall and beefy for the mid-weights. The motorcycle I ended up with is a late 2017 BMW R1200 GSA with very low miles. It fits perfectly and I can still flat foot it at a stop. My off road will be mostly farm roads to visit friends or campsite areas. Just turned 69 years of age and no way will I get real narley alone. The bulk of my riding will be on tarmac and it is a great street bike. I still look forward to watching your content and Godspeed to you!
Yes mate, not seen many vids that compare these two, the DE usually gets lumped in with the Transalp. Gotta say it's great to see the DE holds up well. I like it a lot, Suzuki would get my money all day long. Your final point is on point, if you're worried about a difference of 30mm in ground clearance between these two, then maybe you need a more off road focused ride anyway. In which case an enduro with 300mm+ might be more suitable 😉 or an 890R in rally spec for an extra load of £💰's if you really want a bigger displacement machine and money is not your main concern 🤔
Good honest comparison mate 👍🏼 For me after owning four V-Strom’s (1 x DLA650 1 x DL1000 2 x DLA1000) I was drawn to something more off-road capable. I was tied of bottoming the V-Stom’s out and wanted more ground clearance. IMO the AT is next level and will improve anyone’s riding ability. The AT took improved my riding and confidence 💯 The stock suspension is streets ahead of the V-Strom’s, excellent off road and eats up the twisties. I haven’t ridden the DE800 but compared to the V-Strom’s I had, the vibration is far less on the AT and easier to put in the big days in the saddle. Yes the electrics are a PITA, but I absolutely love the cruise control, it’s a game changer for long distance travel. The air filter service I can do in less than 15 mins, one screw on each side, no need to remove front spoiler. Each to their own, we are very lucky we have so many options on the market to choose from… but I’m still yet to find the “unicorn” 😂
@@onthebackwheel My other like about the AT is the subframe under the engine, this makes for a much more robust sump guard… the old engine mount sump guards on the Strom’s just don’t cut it off road… speaking from experience 🤪
It’s very impressive to say the list that you compared the 800cc with the 1100cc , i could have said why not comparing it with the Vstrom 1050 but at this point it makes me want have the 800 even more if it can keep up with a bigger engine and segment like the africa twin
I chose the VStrom 800DE Adventure (factory crash bars, and baseplate) mostly because I couldn’t find an AT in my area that was kitted the way I wanted. Happy with the Suzuki so far with 800 miles in.
You need to see how "girl on a bike" turns the AT around in tight situations if not super steep and flat But very narrow. She gets off bike and acelerates bike whiie pivoting on her hip amazing I havnt done yet But hopefully will at some point Great comparison vid! AT all day everyday.
Well done! Finally someone talkin sense about the important stuff like airfilter locations. Did you mention that the Suz got the delight of a gps mounting bar ?
Great comparison of two of the great middleweight bikes. I have the same AT in red and can’t stop riding it. Calling it the “standard “or “base model” under sells it a bit. It’s precisely designed for both on and off road use. Unlike the heavier and more expensive variants. We are spoilt for choice in this age. Lucky us!
The lower compression of the Honda engine was a big selling point to me. When I top off the tank of my Yamaha Raider with premium fuel, I can tell the difference when the fuel that is actually dispensed is not so premium.
My AT made it 100k mikes before making it into the shop for repairs. It was wore out spark plug boots and counterfit ngk spark plugs! The resitors wore out! If i would have thought to check, could have kept it out of the shop for a while longer i bet. Oh and shes unstoppable on ATV trails and wide single track. Way more capable than i am for sure.
I've aready vioted with my wallet and bought the DE, you can get criuse control for $ik from mc cruise and get the springs for your weight front a rear and Bobs your uncle.
I like most adventure bike options, which makes it hard to choose.always wanted to get the T7, and also looked into a second hand africa twin, we do a fair bit of 2 up riding and no real off road so thought the T7 might be a bit uncomfortable. Opted for the v strom 800 for a bit more comfort and got a demo for the same price as an older africa twin, I can not fault the bike
It is also worth mentioning that the compression on the Honda is lower than in the Suzuki, which makes it possible to use worse quality fuel. Also, the exhaust sound on the Honda is simply divine. But in defense of Suzuki is its price and if in Suzuki to invest the price difference with Honda in suspension upgrades, then there is a difficult choice....
I haven't added a mid-sized ADV yet(I "light" ADV on a DRz400)...So thanks for the excellent comparison, I'm still sure I want the V-Strom 800DE, sprung correctly for my weight\load, I'm sure I could adventure on it for as long as I hold together 😉
Picked up a 23 800de adventure model with only 400 miles on it for only $8500 bucks. Dude gave me a free $300 scorpion helmet and the suzuki 38l top carry case, I think I scored the deal of a lifetime.
Great comparison!!! With so many "very good" lower-priced middleweight adventure bikes in the marketplace these days it's getting harder to justify spending more on the bigger & more expensive adventure bikes (IMO, the only reason to do so, is if you're riding two-up/ lots of luggage, want more power, or if you are 6'2" inches tall or higher)
By the time I think I'll get to having the big adventure bike, the 800 will be for me. Gotta concede that it's a do- all bike as opposed to the AT being extremely good at playing Dakar rally and not being very good at the rest.
I choose the R1200GS (2004 - 2012 model) . It is the same wet weight at 229kg. + it's a beautiful air cooled boxer with shaft drive, para-lever and tele-lever suspension. Also much easier to pick up when it falls over because the cylinder heads hold it 30% of the way up off the ground. And it has unbelievable slow speed balance off road. It feels like it has power steering. It's comfortable, and practical for commuting. Good for 2 up. With probably a lower centre of gravity than either of these. All the electronic features on the newer bikes are a down side to me, just extra weight, price and complexity/reliability.
@@onthebackwheel i got a spin on the suzuki when my bike wss was being serviced, i was very impressed, it was a winters morning, frost/greasey roads, but that bike didn't slide around at all, really slick machine.
Been waiting for someone to do this comparison. Due to the weight being identical I think it’s worth discussing. I’d have to say though, if I were to choose one for around the world tour, I might take the 800 DE over the Africa twin because of the air box placement and the more padded seat. I’m sure an after market cruise control for the Suzuki is just around the corner.
I bought the V-storm last year. Given the fact I am not much of an off road motorcyclist, although I have an extensive mountain bike background. The V-strom in my experience has the clearance and suspension travel I need, if I need anymore I probably would look for a proper dual sport instead. I think Suzuki knocked it out of the park with this bike!
Selling my Africa Twin after 8 years and 81000 km, with a good share of off-road riding, just received my 800 DE. Much lighter bike feeling both on and off-road (I got a chance to test the DE off-road before buying). Both are great bikes, and I like Suzuki's move out of the 'always more cc, always more power, always more $$' race of other brands. The DE fits perfectly with my all year-long work commute, off-road riding with no duo trips. Less show up than with the AT? I don't care.
hi Curtis, excellent review here but I have a little bit of an off-topic question, since I'm already decided to go with the v-strom instead of the AT, my new question is: Should I get the v-strom 800RE standard 17'' front wheel version or the V-Strom 800DE ? Not sure if you've ridden both by now, but I won't be doing much off-road with it but that big suspension on the DE looks good and it's probably more confortable.. Anyway, Ride Safe!
I have a africa twin and love it its such a great road bike and the air filters are not that bad to get to with practice but in the uk we don't have bull dust
Thanks Curtis, my favorit ist the 800DE because its comfortabel and you can modification the suspension. What kind of suspension setting would you prefer for 80/20 up to 60/40 street/offroad use ?
Everyone is saying and I’d agree that the Aprilia is the best performing bike but 12k mile valve adjustment is crazy, Suzuki isn’t much better at 15k as the Yamaha T7 is at a massive 24k miles. No one ever talks about service/maintenance costs. Surly for an adventure bike this should be taken in to consideration ???
Yeah depends how many miles you are covering and where. For me I don't do huge trips so it's not an issue (valves or compression ratio). I highly doubt the Suzuki valves will need adjusting ever, it's so over built
Excellent review 👌 Im in two minds about getting something a little more offroad. Currently rocking the Vstrom 1000xt which has all the offroad gear thrown at it. Great bike and a capable dirt tracker. Just blows throught the suspension too easiy and rattles your teeth if you firm it up a click. Always chasing the unicorn 😁😁
Great video. However, V Strom is out of consideration due to tubed tyres. Most of riders like myself, are not skilled to change flat tyre on the trip. AT 2024, Tuareg 660, KTM 790/890 MGuzzi850, Norden901 are on my short list.
I had EXACTLY this dilemma with EXACTLY these two bikes. And in my case I was very lucky in that the $ difference didn't really matter. What clinched it for me in the DE's favour was airbox access and stupid switchgear/electronics. Love the bike, but its headlight is the worst I've seen. My old '85 XL600 was tons better
I've come to find that simple is better. So the VStrom would get the nod from me between the two bikes. After a lot of back & forth I've decided to keep my 890 Adventure S. It kinda runs into the ground clearance issue, except I've never bottomed it out. I would if I ran the bike on some of your tracks. lol If I ever feel like I need more suspension I'll upgrade it, then I'll have an 890 Adventure R, and ya know, I got it on a holdover price, so it cost about what an 800 DE is going for these days in the US. I think I'm going to keep the 501 as well and get a trailer. These bikes are total weapons in the element they were designed to run. So your comment at the end is dead on about riding thew big bikes on gnarly tracks, just grab a lighter capable bike.
That's a mean combo of bikes mate, a tourer and play bike. When I get my dirt bike I'll be doing the same, trailering it or putting it on the back of the ute. Then I don't have to worry about chewing out tyres and oil changes etc
@@onthebackwheel That was my thinking too. No sense wearing out the tires and trying to fit in a oil change on a BDR Route. The 501 is light enough I can get it into the bed of the F250 but I’d like a trailer for the 890. Last year I went to a rally about 300 miles from home and the amount of crashes or mechanical failure with other riders told me that I should prepare in case I’m THAT Guy one of these days. I’ve always been a die hard ride the bike to the rally guy, but I need to forget that macho line of thinking and just be smart.
Yer love your videos mate as I thought I'm glade o got the vstrom 800de blood do it all drill bits this bike the quite achiever I study hard before I got one in December and with help watching you mate I think iv made a smart choice it's a bike that suits me at my age also thanks for your videos mate good job buddy 👍
I wanted to buy a Honda, but after off-road tests it turned out to be top heavy, and the Vstrom was easier to drive offroad (low center of gravity) if it had tubeless wheels....
A tough choice for sure, especially with the new models coming out. I really liked the previous 900 rally. I'm still to ride both the new ones! The old models...maybe the 900 for road riding, AT for mixed riding
I would choose the V-Strom affer the awful experience I had with my Africa twin 30th anniversary edition. It’s cheaper, it has a super torqui engine and it’s build like a little tank!
@@onthebackwheel the protection paint inside the fuel tank coming off clogging fuel pump and injectors, finishing of the engine and the frame (weldings that looked like they were made by a 2 years old kid) rust under the fuel tank… rear rack bolted directly on plastic… I was not impressed, and other things that are super common on that specific model
@@onthebackwheel So, now you've changed your mind? Thought you said elsewhere you wouldn't buy an AT. I actually responded to that comment with a question as to why.
@@danielkramer8586 no haven't changed my mind. Objectively it's got more power, better ground clearance, suspension is well set up. But it's at least 6 grand more and the electronics really annoy me, I wouldn't want to live with them. I'd rather (and have) spend the money on the 800 and do some mods
Hi, I'm 6 foot. I'm saying that, the VStrom is very low with the standard seat (mine has the high) and you can get a lower seat again on it. The Africa Twin is quite narrow too
If I have the money I will go africa twin, otherwise v strom. But tuareg is the bike that I want, the specs, the design everything is brilliant - my only worry is it is not Japanese . Which adv bike I should choose if I need to ride in the sand dunes?
@@onthebackwheel Excellent, thanks for the response! Does appear to be a superior product, and available from a Canadian distributor. Recently started following your channel, and really enjoying the content. Cheers!
Hi Curtis, any plans to upgrade your 800DE suspension? Been riding a lot of offroad on my DE and starting to bottom out a lot even at the max preload settings. Do you have any to recommend? Thank you
@@onthebackwheel would be looking to do the same. So far I only managed to find some progressive springs from Hyperpro and Hessler Rallye team. But still waiting for reviews to see how they do in off-road setting. Love your channel by the way 😁👍
@@danielkramer8586 the electronics and ABS annoy me. I'd love to try the new one though with the added grunt and some better tyres to see if that helps
@@onthebackwheelah keep the Strom, love your vids on it. As you know I had both but no regrets with the VStrom sitting in my garage now. The electronics on the AT gave me a headache and the power isn’t that far apart. Just waiting for a few parts before taking it out for a proper ride.
Still waiting for a review of an unrestricted Honda CRF 450 RL and a stock CRF 300 rally 🙂…personally think 200 plus kg is too much for the average rider wanting to do serious off road exploring . Looked up the specs of my old IT 200 L approx 1985 ….95 kg dry , six speed , approx 29 kW stock . That was a go anywhere bike , tall seat , but I never noticed due to its narrowness , never dropped it at standstill , would wheelstand for ever , amazing 2 stroke engine . $1750 list price in 1985 brand new . Not too good on the road over 90km however , too light .😊
I have a KLR650 gen 3 and like it off road but hate her on road, I going to upgrade soon and 2 bikes on the short list. V Strom and Tuareg….I know Tuareg is better but what about reliability on the Italian? v Strom is 12K USD out of the door, I could have the same for the Aprilia. Really hard to find goons I tel about reliability.
@@onthebackwheel I’m in US and 75dealers in total. Closest is 250 miles and price for maintenance is insane, 600 miles at 217$, 6000 miles at 420$ and 1200$ at 1124$. They will not rest the maintenance switch if they have not done the maintenance themself.
Got the 800. No complaints after a 2200 km trip this week 👍
That's a decent trip
I was very close to buying V-strom this winter (Sweden). I opted out of the African twin because of the price level, so my Honda comparison was the Transalp, I don't think it was close to the competition in several ways. So I ended up buying an Aprilia Tuareg 660 which I have now had time to drive a bit....what a bike! It gives me the feeling of joy and happiness every time I drive it. But I also liked the Suzuki V-strom on the test drive I did, a very nice engine for its size.
You made the right choice mate, that Aprilia is amazing
I've been enjoying my Tuareg for almost 2 years /13k km now and can Tell you: Great choice!
@@chukku2175any issues personally? I want to do BDRs and long off-road sessions but am scared of reliability and or failures
I am trying to decide between AT and Aprilla right now. Where I live in Medellin Colombia both shops. Would be an everyday bike and hoping to do a ton of off road too. Any suggestions or picks money not being deciding factor? Being w/o bike for months wating for parts does worry me a bit. Any feedback would be appreciated
@@augustbrante8117
Well, your preferences and use must decide. I hope you have the opportunity to test drive your options properly. They don't really compete in the same class, AT with its 64% larger engine and 25% more power. Honda has a good service network in most locations. I think the Aprilia Tuareg is fantastic, but only if you prefer a lighter and agile motorcycle and have access to a reasonable service network.
Thanks Curtis...the 800 for me. A very good all-rounder at a reasonable price. I'll probably tape the wheels for tubeless tyres. Also, the slightly lower CofG in my mind definitely makes the bike feel lighter than the AT. An important consideration for a 70 year old!
A very important thing to mention mate. Plus it feels easier to touch on
800 de, got it for the reliability and versatility. I am though running into a problem buying some aftermarket accessories, but that's to be expected with a newer bike.
Quickly becoming my favorite yt adv channel, I'd love to go to Australia and ride.
I'll just settle for Mississippi for now.
Cheers my friend, happy trails......
Thanks mate, we do have amazing riding. I'm really liking the gear I've put on mine so far, just need some hand guards. I see bark busters have some now
Personally, I’d absolutely go with crazy man Curtis Suzuki V-Strom 800 DE “special”! Any day & every weekend.
If you haven’t broken it by now…
It can’t be broken.
Cheers🤙🇦🇺
She's a tough machine! No issues at all even without hand guards
I own the 800DE i. South pf France....and 22 000 km so far
What à bike!!!!! Best choice ever
That's some good going, you'll be at 100k in no time
Any vibrations in 800 de engine?
I just bought the 800DE. The more expensive a bike is, the heavier the taxes are in my country, so a AT would be €5000 more than the 800DE) For me it’s a travel bike, riding fire roads at the most. I need a bike to see the world, so I traded my 650 XT for the 800 (as I have hit to many traffic barriers with the low clearance of the 650), especially in South America. Thanks for your great videos!
Thanks crazy. Which country are you in?
@@onthebackwheel Our home is in the Netherlands. The AT starts at €17.5 The Suzuki at just over €12 So that's quite a difference. I bought the shop demo bike at 10K
@@sphyrnidusunsere toll EU :)
Last year I was down to the T7 and VStrom 800 when a low mileage 2017 Africa twin popped up locally. Loaded with all the crash protection and soft bags. The 2017 also has a button for ABS and TC. Real happy with the Africa Twin.
Nice mate. Wish the new one had the button
I sold my 2017 last year thinking there was something better. Bad mistake.
I was going around with the T7, DE 800 and the TransAlp. I ended up buying a KTM 790 adventure and absolutely love the bike. I rolled the dice on reliability hoping I ended up with a good one. Payed extra for cruise and quickshifter. Balance is great, get 59 mpg. 5 gallon tank and 95hp. Great bike for me.
They both look awesome, and you got to give credit to both bikes firstly to the Africa twin being a 1100ccc and still being able to compete off-road against the smaller displacement vstrom. You could be forgiven or thinking Africa twin vrs vstrom 1050 would be the more fair comparison but it doesn’t seem to bother the Honda,
And then the 800 vstrom being able to stand it ground against a 1000+cc bike , I think it’s a draw👍
Bought the Vstrom800DE because of value for money. Turned out to be a great decision not just in a financial standpoint but also it performs very well. For the riding that I do (not aggressive on/offroad) this suits me very well. Only needed crashbars and aux lights and you're good to go. Might be moding mine with a high-mount exhaust but still on the edge to do it or not. I always watch your videos a day before a group offroad ride to hype me up pre-ride. 😅
Haha thanks mate. I'm looking at doing the exhaust too, most likely SC Project
Sitting here just finishing up editing a video trying to figure out what to do while it exports and seen this video. Literally couldn't of been a better video for me. The 2 bikes im currently looking at and just cant decide on. Been leaning towards the vstrom based off price and comfort, but man if that africa twin isn't the best looking adventure bike out there (imo) and obviously much more capable, the switches/electronics and the filter location of it though have also swayed me towards the vstrom... Tough choice indeed
Such a beautiful bike hey
Great video! Most interesting comparison. I do like that DE but have a very nicely set up DR650. I've had 3 Suzukis. They are excellent motorcycles.
Got to love the ole DR650
Excellet review Curtis. Your channel has become an Adventure riders must watch. It just goes to show how good the 800DE when it's compared the Hondas flagship.
Thanks mate, appreciate it!
I’m so happy with the v-strom and if you think it’s good of road , it’s way enough for my driving !
It's pretty solid!
Wow, shocked to hear you go over the air filter locations! And thinking the Africa Twin is alone in that respect, it's not, and what are these companies thinking? Super fine w/ my Tuareg thanks. I do watch all your videos Curtis, the testing footage is amazing, I'm floored by the off road terrains you throw these bikes through, and the comparison charts you did recently was highly commendable and helpful. Love the way you've expanded your channel from the days of the good ol' KLR, you've taken the bull by the horns!
Thanks mate, I'm really enjoying where the channel is going. How are you finding the Tuareg? It's still my dream bike
@@onthebackwheel Absolutely nowhere near the rider you are, pedestrian maybe, but I love the Tuareg. I'll probably challenge myself this summer, my 76th B-Day. Yes, dream bike for sure - tho I'm living vicariously through your ride reviews. I've followed "the feeling" of your rides Curtis. When you rode the Tuareg, I "felt" the ride you had, and your other rides as well. Because you challenge each ride w/ unbelievable terrains, you set up different rhythms w/ each bike that can be felt through the ride videos. Keep it up.
@@1young-geezer thanks mate, good to hear I'm on the right track with my reviews. Doesn't matter if you aren't quick, you can still feel how nice a ride the Tuareg is soon as you swing a leg over it
It really comes down to budget. There are many good, reasonably priced bikes now that will do everything well enough to enjoy yourself without sacrificing too much. The goal must be just to be able to get out there, you don’t need the ultimate bike to be happy!
That's it, no point having the latest and greatest if you aren't out there riding them!
First of all, thanks for the excellent comparison test of these two motorcycles.
Half a year ago, I decided on the 800DE and every day I love that bike more and more. I think the definite winner of the value for money category.
Considering that I drive 80% of the time on the road, I'm more than happy with the suspension, it also gives me a sense of security that it won't let me down even on the offroad. that's quite enough for me. the comfortable seat and the driving position give me the confidence that I could use up the last drop of gasoline without taking a break while driving.
That's great to hear mate. Sounds like it is serving you well. Such a good all-rounder, we are so lucky with the bikes available ATM
Good to see you. Nice comparison. Having now tested some ADV's I would have to go with an Africa Twin. I am just too tall and beefy for the mid-weights. The motorcycle I ended up with is a late 2017 BMW R1200 GSA with very low miles. It fits perfectly and I can still flat foot it at a stop. My off road will be mostly farm roads to visit friends or campsite areas. Just turned 69 years of age and no way will I get real narley alone. The bulk of my riding will be on tarmac and it is a great street bike. I still look forward to watching your content and Godspeed to you!
Sounds like a perfect fit for you mate. Ride on!
Yes mate, not seen many vids that compare these two, the DE usually gets lumped in with the Transalp. Gotta say it's great to see the DE holds up well. I like it a lot, Suzuki would get my money all day long.
Your final point is on point, if you're worried about a difference of 30mm in ground clearance between these two, then maybe you need a more off road focused ride anyway. In which case an enduro with 300mm+ might be more suitable 😉 or an 890R in rally spec for an extra load of £💰's if you really want a bigger displacement machine and money is not your main concern 🤔
Its a good bike for sure. I saw one of those 890R Rallys in person the other day, nice machine!
Good honest comparison mate 👍🏼 For me after owning four V-Strom’s (1 x DLA650 1 x DL1000 2 x DLA1000) I was drawn to something more off-road capable. I was tied of bottoming the V-Stom’s out and wanted more ground clearance. IMO the AT is next level and will improve anyone’s riding ability. The AT took improved my riding and confidence 💯 The stock suspension is streets ahead of the V-Strom’s, excellent off road and eats up the twisties. I haven’t ridden the DE800 but compared to the V-Strom’s I had, the vibration is far less on the AT and easier to put in the big days in the saddle. Yes the electrics are a PITA, but I absolutely love the cruise control, it’s a game changer for long distance travel. The air filter service I can do in less than 15 mins, one screw on each side, no need to remove front spoiler. Each to their own, we are very lucky we have so many options on the market to choose from… but I’m still yet to find the “unicorn” 😂
Great round up mate. I think you'd find the 800 suspension similar. It's definitely wayyyy better, but the AT is ahead
@@onthebackwheel My other like about the AT is the subframe under the engine, this makes for a much more robust sump guard… the old engine mount sump guards on the Strom’s just don’t cut it off road… speaking from experience 🤪
It’s very impressive to say the list that you compared the 800cc with the 1100cc , i could have said why not comparing it with the Vstrom 1050 but at this point it makes me want have the 800 even more if it can keep up with a bigger engine and segment like the africa twin
I'd put the 1050 up against the adventure sport, they seem to be more aligned with each other
I chose the VStrom 800DE Adventure (factory crash bars, and baseplate) mostly because I couldn’t find an AT in my area that was kitted the way I wanted. Happy with the Suzuki so far with 800 miles in.
Nice mate, the price is good too
You need to see how "girl on a bike" turns the AT around in tight situations if not super steep and flat But very narrow. She gets off bike and acelerates bike whiie pivoting on her hip amazing I havnt done yet But hopefully will at some point Great comparison vid! AT all day everyday.
Ah yep I know what you mean. I've done that before but generally just stick a foot down and pivot spin
Well done!
Finally someone talkin sense about the important stuff like airfilter locations.
Did you mention that the Suz got the delight of a gps mounting bar ?
I didn't! It is bloody handy, pretty well a necessity now days
Got the 800DE, love it. I am cheap. Rode the Africa Twin. Also a great ride. Well done Curtis! Cheers.
She's pretty cheap, but also good!
Great edit dude 😊
Thanks mate
Great comparison of two of the great middleweight bikes. I have the same AT in red and can’t stop riding it. Calling it the “standard “or “base model” under sells it a bit. It’s precisely designed for both on and off road use. Unlike the heavier and more expensive variants. We are spoilt for choice in this age. Lucky us!
I agree, the standard is the best allrounder
The lower compression of the Honda engine was a big selling point to me. When I top off the tank of my Yamaha Raider with premium fuel, I can tell the difference when the fuel that is actually dispensed is not so premium.
A good point, especially on the middle of nowhere
Great comparison always love your work!
Thanks mate
I already bought the VStrom. A lot less buttons on the left bar. I find it more comfortable than the AT.
The simplicity of the V-Strom is refreshing
Africa twin !! Big time
Fair enough!
Really great breakdown mate.
Good work man.
Braaaarp
Thanks mate!
My AT made it 100k mikes before making it into the shop for repairs.
It was wore out spark plug boots and counterfit ngk spark plugs! The resitors wore out! If i would have thought to check, could have kept it out of the shop for a while longer i bet.
Oh and shes unstoppable on ATV trails and wide single track. Way more capable than i am for sure.
Goodness that's some big mileage! 👏
I've aready vioted with my wallet and bought the DE, you can get criuse control for $ik from mc cruise and get the springs for your weight front a rear and Bobs your uncle.
WOW allot closer then I thought. Great job brother
Thanks mate
I like most adventure bike options, which makes it hard to choose.always wanted to get the T7, and also looked into a second hand africa twin, we do a fair bit of 2 up riding and no real off road so thought the T7 might be a bit uncomfortable. Opted for the v strom 800 for a bit more comfort and got a demo for the same price as an older africa twin, I can not fault the bike
Definitely the better option for some 2 up riding with that strong subframe, cushy seat and extra torque
It is also worth mentioning that the compression on the Honda is lower than in the Suzuki, which makes it possible to use worse quality fuel. Also, the exhaust sound on the Honda is simply divine.
But in defense of Suzuki is its price and if in Suzuki to invest the price difference with Honda in suspension upgrades, then there is a difficult choice....
I haven't added a mid-sized ADV yet(I "light" ADV on a DRz400)...So thanks for the excellent comparison, I'm still sure I want the V-Strom 800DE, sprung correctly for my weight\load, I'm sure I could adventure on it for as long as I hold together 😉
Be a good long haul bike to go with the good ole 400
interested in the 800RE which is supposed to be more road biased but could still do plenty of gravel...
No doubt it will be a great road biased adventure tourer
I just grabed a vstrom 800de picking it up in 10 days, can't wait.
Nice mate, hard to beat getting a new bike
Picked up a 23 800de adventure model with only 400 miles on it for only $8500 bucks. Dude gave me a free $300 scorpion helmet and the suzuki 38l top carry case, I think I scored the deal of a lifetime.
My goodness yes you did
Great comparison!!! With so many "very good" lower-priced middleweight adventure bikes in the marketplace these days it's getting harder to justify spending more on the bigger & more expensive adventure bikes (IMO, the only reason to do so, is if you're riding two-up/ lots of luggage, want more power, or if you are 6'2" inches tall or higher)
Thanks mate. We are certainly spoilt for choice atm!
I’m looking for an adventure bike, but im having some difficulty in deciding what to go for so these comparisons really help! 👍
Glad I could help mate. We are spoilt for choice ATM
I think that’s my problem 😁 too many to chose from 👍
@@iangriffiths9930 it's a good problem to have! My advice, stick to your budget and think about what riding you really want to do
It’s between the T7 (that’s too tall for me) or the Suzuki (that’s heavy) and for the wildcard the new CFmoto 450MT
@@iangriffiths9930 I recommend the Tuareg to everyone, low seat height, great balance and suspension
By the time I think I'll get to having the big adventure bike, the 800 will be for me. Gotta concede that it's a do- all bike as opposed to the AT being extremely good at playing Dakar rally and not being very good at the rest.
I choose the R1200GS (2004 - 2012 model) . It is the same wet weight at 229kg. + it's a beautiful air cooled boxer with shaft drive, para-lever and tele-lever suspension.
Also much easier to pick up when it falls over because the cylinder heads hold it 30% of the way up off the ground.
And it has unbelievable slow speed balance off road. It feels like it has power steering. It's comfortable, and practical for commuting. Good for 2 up. With probably a lower centre of gravity than either of these. All the electronic features on the newer bikes are a down side to me, just extra weight, price and complexity/reliability.
I think BMW left off a solid 10kg with their weights. But yes, legendary bike. A mate has one with 170k on the clock and its served him well
Great warranty with the suzuki, honda take note
Yep, I bought my 800DE in the Netherlands, comes with a 6 year unlimited warranty! It's a great bike.
Good point mate, Suzuki stands by their products
@@onthebackwheel i got a spin on the suzuki when my bike wss was being serviced, i was very impressed, it was a winters morning, frost/greasey roads, but that bike didn't slide around at all, really slick machine.
Since I can't afford either, I will pick the Africa Twin.
Been waiting for someone to do this comparison. Due to the weight being identical I think it’s worth discussing. I’d have to say though, if I were to choose one for around the world tour, I might take the 800 DE over the Africa twin because of the air box placement and the more padded seat. I’m sure an after market cruise control for the Suzuki is just around the corner.
Veridian and mccruise already make kits for them
@@IanSmart-g6y problem solved then.
Be good if they added it in stock. Hopefully next update
Greetings from Austria mate.
Good Video!
Hello mate! Hope all is well there
I bought the V-storm last year. Given the fact I am not much of an off road motorcyclist, although I have an extensive mountain bike background. The V-strom in my experience has the clearance and suspension travel I need, if I need anymore I probably would look for a proper dual sport instead. I think Suzuki knocked it out of the park with this bike!
Good to hear you're enjoying it mate
800DE based on air filter, price, and ease of use. Only complaint would be the tube wheels. I'd look into a conversion along with shocks.
Those new tubeless set ups are pretty trick
Suzuki 800DE Is my choice, It's just unfortunate it doesn't have cruise control.
Excellent comparison! I was looking at these two bikes as well and wanted to hear about how much and which ways they differ.
Hope it helped mate
I'd go for the VStrom. My current problem is choosing between the 800DE and 1050DE...
Ohh, depends on the riding you're doing I suppose
And duo or not
Yeah, i resolved my dilemma and picked up a 800DE. Fantastic bike !
Selling my Africa Twin after 8 years and 81000 km, with a good share of off-road riding, just received my 800 DE. Much lighter bike feeling both on and off-road (I got a chance to test the DE off-road before buying). Both are great bikes, and I like Suzuki's move out of the 'always more cc, always more power, always more $$' race of other brands. The DE fits perfectly with my all year-long work commute, off-road riding with no duo trips. Less show up than with the AT? I don't care.
Good stuff mate, she should serve you well
Hey Curtis I,ll be sticking with my 690 ,hopefully we will get to ride again soon
Sounds good mate. Certainly nothing offroad compared to your 690!
I choose the DR650!😂 Great video - thanks! (Africa Twin & DR650 owner).
Hard to beat the good ole DR
My 800 should be here next week!😊
Exciting stuff, enjoy mate
hi Curtis, excellent review here but I have a little bit of an off-topic question, since I'm already decided to go with the v-strom instead of the AT, my new question is: Should I get the v-strom 800RE standard 17'' front wheel version or the V-Strom 800DE ? Not sure if you've ridden both by now, but I won't be doing much off-road with it but that big suspension on the DE looks good and it's probably more confortable.. Anyway, Ride Safe!
Hey bud. I haven't ridden both yet. If you were going anywhere near even gravel or dirt I wouldn't hesitate in getting the DE
I have a africa twin and love it its such a great road bike and the air filters are not that bad to get to with practice but in the uk we don't have bull dust
Good point, got to think about where you ride too
The 2024 model Honda AT Standard has become even better. 7nm more torque, at low engine rpm and tubeless tires. Greetings Michael
Looking forward to the new model
Thanks Curtis, my favorit ist the 800DE because its comfortabel and you can modification the suspension. What kind of suspension setting would you prefer for 80/20 up to 60/40 street/offroad use ?
Mate you probably need to add some preload in, especially the forks
Everyone is saying and I’d agree that the Aprilia is the best performing bike but 12k mile valve adjustment is crazy, Suzuki isn’t much better at 15k as the Yamaha T7 is at a massive 24k miles. No one ever talks about service/maintenance costs. Surly for an adventure bike this should be taken in to consideration ???
And nobody talks about the compression ratio, you're not gonna find always premium fuel when you are doing adventure things.
Yeah depends how many miles you are covering and where. For me I don't do huge trips so it's not an issue (valves or compression ratio). I highly doubt the Suzuki valves will need adjusting ever, it's so over built
Excellent review 👌 Im in two minds about getting something a little more offroad. Currently rocking the Vstrom 1000xt which has all the offroad gear thrown at it. Great bike and a capable dirt tracker. Just blows throught the suspension too easiy and rattles your teeth if you firm it up a click. Always chasing the unicorn 😁😁
Cheers. Sounds cringe to say it, but your suspension sounds like your spring rate 😬. Same on the 800
Great video. However, V Strom is out of consideration due to tubed tyres. Most of riders like myself, are not skilled to change flat tyre on the trip. AT 2024, Tuareg 660, KTM 790/890 MGuzzi850, Norden901 are on my short list.
Changing tubes does suck big time
Great comparison!
Thanks!
Suzuki all the way.
I had EXACTLY this dilemma with EXACTLY these two bikes. And in my case I was very lucky in that the $ difference didn't really matter. What clinched it for me in the DE's favour was airbox access and stupid switchgear/electronics. Love the bike, but its headlight is the worst I've seen. My old '85 XL600 was tons better
Oh I agree, terrible headlight!
@@onthebackwheel Did you happen to test the AT at night?? Comparison?? 🤔🤔
@@pigmeal2224 I did. Rode it home several times at night. Definitely better lights than the 800
I've come to find that simple is better. So the VStrom would get the nod from me between the two bikes.
After a lot of back & forth I've decided to keep my 890 Adventure S. It kinda runs into the ground clearance issue, except I've never bottomed it out. I would if I ran the bike on some of your tracks. lol
If I ever feel like I need more suspension I'll upgrade it, then I'll have an 890 Adventure R, and ya know, I got it on a holdover price, so it cost about what an 800 DE is going for these days in the US.
I think I'm going to keep the 501 as well and get a trailer. These bikes are total weapons in the element they were designed to run.
So your comment at the end is dead on about riding thew big bikes on gnarly tracks, just grab a lighter capable bike.
That's a mean combo of bikes mate, a tourer and play bike. When I get my dirt bike I'll be doing the same, trailering it or putting it on the back of the ute. Then I don't have to worry about chewing out tyres and oil changes etc
@@onthebackwheel That was my thinking too. No sense wearing out the tires and trying to fit in a oil change on a BDR Route. The 501 is light enough I can get it into the bed of the F250 but I’d like a trailer for the 890.
Last year I went to a rally about 300 miles from home and the amount of crashes or mechanical failure with other riders told me that I should prepare in case I’m THAT Guy one of these days.
I’ve always been a die hard ride the bike to the rally guy, but I need to forget that macho line of thinking and just be smart.
@@pinkiewerewolfI mean a 501 is just a race bike, so you're right in thinking that!
@@onthebackwheel Yeah, it’s so freaking lightweight, the power to weight ratio is addictive in the dirt.
Yer love your videos mate as I thought I'm glade o got the vstrom 800de blood do it all drill bits this bike the quite achiever I study hard before I got one in December and with help watching you mate I think iv made a smart choice it's a bike that suits me at my age also thanks for your videos mate good job buddy 👍
Thanks mate, appreciate it
What language are you using. ?
@@SKgeostrat stray yin m8
Africa twin is 20.5k now in base model - probably going to pull the trigger on one shortly!
That's a very tempting price
@@onthebackwheel especially given the 800DE is about to take a price hike to 19 at my local…
@@steeley_ yeah right. Curious to see how the new one compares
@@onthebackwheel yeah same, hopefully you get a chance to take a gander at them together once again 👍
@@steeley_ 💯. I'll annoy them for one when it's time 😂
I wanted to buy a Honda, but after off-road tests it turned out to be top heavy, and the Vstrom was easier to drive offroad (low center of gravity) if it had tubeless wheels....
Nice comparison! Still believe that the Aprilia Tuareg is the unicorn.
Its my pick too bud
The Honda for me ,
the AT for me but i am biased by already owning one 🙂
I like very much the 800DE but I'll choose theNew 2024 Africa twin for tubeless tires and Cruise control! thanks for your great review
Looking forward to those 2024 updates
Suzuki all day!
great comparison Curtis what would you pick the AT or the Triumph Rally pro I am in two minds and you have ridden both
A tough choice for sure, especially with the new models coming out. I really liked the previous 900 rally. I'm still to ride both the new ones! The old models...maybe the 900 for road riding, AT for mixed riding
I would choose the V-Strom affer the awful experience I had with my Africa twin 30th anniversary edition.
It’s cheaper, it has a super torqui engine and it’s build like a little tank!
What problems did you have mate?
@@onthebackwheel the protection paint inside the fuel tank coming off clogging fuel pump and injectors, finishing of the engine and the frame (weldings that looked like they were made by a 2 years old kid) rust under the fuel tank… rear rack bolted directly on plastic… I was not impressed, and other things that are super common on that specific model
@@Vegasalieriyeah thats sucks. Were you able to get a decent deal for it in the end?
Problem with africa twin?
Pretty good price for the AT, in Germany price for the Suzuki is about 11.000€, for the Africa 18.500€😮
Ouch! Huge difference
Good comparison. Does the AT have tubeless wheels? Also, is the 17" rear on the Strom any hindrance?
No the base model AT is tubed. The 17 isn't a hindrance for the bike, I definitely prefer an 18 rear though in terms of feel and tyre selection
Hey mate, can you do husqvarna norden review, please?
I have a mate who has one, we'll see how generous he is
No contest here...Honda for a sure win....will run circles around the susuki...
I think it's the better bike
@@onthebackwheel So, now you've changed your mind? Thought you said elsewhere you wouldn't buy an AT. I actually responded to that comment with a question as to why.
@@danielkramer8586 no haven't changed my mind. Objectively it's got more power, better ground clearance, suspension is well set up. But it's at least 6 grand more and the electronics really annoy me, I wouldn't want to live with them. I'd rather (and have) spend the money on the 800 and do some mods
I'll probably wait till the vstrom gets the cruise control because I'm really think it's gonna get in the future
It's a big misstep
They have it on the 1050, with all the comodos we need 😮
For sure, also not a fan of the colour options so will keep what I have until next year, will be surprised if it not an option in 2025
Got de 800 DE love it
Good day sir! How tall are you? Just wondering if I can reach the ground riding these machines.
Hi, I'm 6 foot. I'm saying that, the VStrom is very low with the standard seat (mine has the high) and you can get a lower seat again on it. The Africa Twin is quite narrow too
If I have the money I will go africa twin, otherwise v strom. But tuareg is the bike that I want, the specs, the design everything is brilliant - my only worry is it is not Japanese . Which adv bike I should choose if I need to ride in the sand dunes?
The Tuareg is my pick too, a great bike. Dunes? Depends how serious your getting, Tuareg or 890r are the best adv picks though for that
Which crash bars are those on the DE, sw motech?
Hepco & Becker. Really rate them and a good price
@@onthebackwheel Excellent, thanks for the response! Does appear to be a superior product, and available from a Canadian distributor.
Recently started following your channel, and really enjoying the content. Cheers!
@@bernielomax4859 ah that's good. Thanks for the follow!
Funny old world we live in; choosing between bikes based on a level of functionality that is redundant to 95% of us.
Great comparison though Curtis.
We're pretty lucky with the bikes available ATM
which model is this africa?couse the new model is tubeless
23/24. The new base model is not out here yet, really looking forward to it
Hi Curtis, any plans to upgrade your 800DE suspension? Been riding a lot of offroad on my DE and starting to bottom out a lot even at the max preload settings. Do you have any to recommend? Thank you
Yeah I'm looking into it. Going to start making inquiries this week in my area. Guessing it will be springs and valving
@@onthebackwheel would be looking to do the same. So far I only managed to find some progressive springs from Hyperpro and Hessler Rallye team. But still waiting for reviews to see how they do in off-road setting. Love your channel by the way 😁👍
@@fast_trail thanks mate. They are just showa so can't see it being too hard to get springs and what not
If it had cruise, V Storm in a heartbeat
Its a big oversight
buy the africa twin.
this could have been the fastest video on YT.
I wouldn't buy the Africa Twin
@@onthebackwheel Why not, aside from you loving the Toareg?
@@danielkramer8586 the electronics and ABS annoy me. I'd love to try the new one though with the added grunt and some better tyres to see if that helps
suzuki knocked it out the park with this one
I have a vstrom 800de.. will you be upgrading the suspension on yours?
I think it's next on the agenda. Was debating moving it on, but I like the big girl
If you sold the Suzuki what would you buy next??
@@onthebackwheelah keep the Strom, love your vids on it. As you know I had both but no regrets with the VStrom sitting in my garage now. The electronics on the AT gave me a headache and the power isn’t that far apart. Just waiting for a few parts before taking it out for a proper ride.
@@Tripleb6036 nice mate. Definitely need crash bars and hand guards
@@iangriffiths9930 I want a Tuareg, not sure if it will be best for the channel though. Maybe a CF Moto 450?
Tengo la 800, sin embargo soy un novato en el oficio road, pero definitivamente me disfruto lo poco que la exijo, neumaticos que recomienden?
It depends on the riding you are doing. Longer road miles with a little bit of dirt the motoz GPS or trailmax mission
Will not buy any adv bike where getting the air filter out is a nightmare eg AT.
What a pain right?
Still waiting for a review of an unrestricted Honda CRF 450 RL and a stock CRF 300 rally 🙂…personally think 200 plus kg is too much for the average rider wanting to do serious off road exploring .
Looked up the specs of my old IT 200 L approx 1985 ….95 kg dry , six speed , approx 29 kW stock .
That was a go anywhere bike , tall seat , but I never noticed due to its narrowness , never dropped it at standstill , would wheelstand for ever , amazing 2 stroke engine .
$1750 list price in 1985 brand new .
Not too good on the road over 90km however , too light .😊
Should be getting those CRF's soon. And IT200? Legendary!
I have a KLR650 gen 3 and like it off road but hate her on road, I going to upgrade soon and 2 bikes on the short list. V Strom and Tuareg….I know Tuareg is better but what about reliability on the Italian? v Strom is 12K USD out of the door, I could have the same for the Aprilia. Really hard to find goons I tel about reliability.
It's a tough one. Same price I'd be getting the Aprilia
@@onthebackwheelbut I’m scared about long term reliability …it’s not a Japanese
@@FrancoisTX1974 hehe yep. Depends on how close dealers are for you. Personally I've had 2 Aprilias (Tuonos) and they were great reliability wise
@@onthebackwheel I’m in US and 75dealers in total. Closest is 250 miles and price for maintenance is insane, 600 miles at 217$, 6000 miles at 420$ and 1200$ at 1124$. They will not rest the maintenance switch if they have not done the maintenance themself.
suzuki de no doubt about