I have seen the film "Illyricum" . And I have privilege to know prof. Ranko Matasović from days when I was a student of History and Slavistics at University of Zagreb. Also, I have a copy of book "Ancient languages of the Balkans" by prof. Radoslav Katičić. My final thesis at the History department was about origin of Etruscans. About Illyrian language.... Roman writers were making distinctions between "Illyrii propriae dicti" and other nations of "Illyricum" in wider sense, placing "Illyrii propriae dicti" in area of mostly modern Montenegro (Crna Gora = Black Mountain) and to the southernmost part of modern Croatia, making the river Neretva as most northern border of their influence; and to the south only small part of north of modern Albania. Why was that so, and why Romans didn't consider entire area of modern Albania as "Illyricum in sensu stricto", I dont know. It could be that Romans named as "Illyricum propriae dicti" exclusively only that area where specific "Illyrian kingdom" as dynastic tribal state was developed. Romans have entered into conflict with Illyrian kingdom during the 3rd and 2nd century BC, especially because of Illyrian piracy on Adriatic. Namely, illyrians were attacking and plundering ships belonging to the Greek colonies as, for example, those of Issa (modern day island Vis). An arrogant answer received from Illyrian queen Teuta and especially the killing of official Roman envoys were the cause of the war in 229/228 BC. Not only that: after the initial defeat by Romans, Illyrian kingdom started to making anti-Roman alliance with Macedonians during the Second Punic war (218-201), when Hannibal of Carthage had his campaign in Italy (Hannibal ante portas!). This was the cause of final destruction of "Illyrian kingdom"; Ardieii, the leading tribe was resettled from coast and forced to interior. Although, Greeks were using name Illyris for area of modern Albania. It was tribal region with: Penestai living in north (to the east of Penestae nation), and the Taulanti were inhabitants closer to the sea coast, where Greek Doric colonies Epidamnos (Dyrrhachium, modern Albanian city Durres, in Slavic: Drač) and Apollonia were established; to the south of Taulanti were Parauaei and Chaones, already nations belonging to the ancient Epirus, although today in southern Albania.In Greek writers we can read the story how Illyrians attacked city Phoenice in territory of Chaones (in vicinity of island Corcyra /Corfu). In Greek mythology hero Kadmos and his wife Harmonia settled among Chaones. However, we dont know nothing about language of Dalmatae, who were the strongest nation in area to the north of river Neretva; they fought many wars against Romans from 2nd century BC till the last, Batonic war in years 6 to 9 AD.The province of Dalmatia was named after them. And Roman colonia Salonae (at location of modern town Solin) near city Split, was the capital of province Dalmatia. From the river Krka, the northern neighbours of Dalmatae were nation of Liburni in area where today is city Zadar (in antiquity known as Iadera and Diadora). Liburnians also hold all the islands between Zadar and peninsula of Istria. In ancient times, before 6th century BC, Liburni were known to Greeks as a skilful seamen. The only word known from Liburnian language is "Anzotica", the name of Venus/Aphrodita . In film Illyricum that name is mentioned. It is possible that words in Croatian and Serbian language: kiša (rain) and vatra (fire) have pre-Slavic origin, because other Slavic languages for "fire" have "ogień" , ogon, ogan and similar (in Croatian language also exists word "oganj" (archaic), in Kaikavian dialect: ogenj; and rain (in Croatian: kiša) in other Slavic languages is mostly as in Polish: "deszcz" (dešč/dežđ also in Kaikavian and in Slovenian) or archaism "dažd" in shtokavian ... Some linguists consider word "vatra" as derivation from Latin "atrium" with typical prothetic Slavic voice /v/; that word is attested also in Albanian and in Romanian language and what is especially interesting in language of people Lemki (Ruthenians, subdivision of Ukrainians, historical inhabitants of Carpathian mountain region on todays border between Poland and Ukraina); so called "Lemkivske vatri" manifestation (search in internet) ... As it seems, word "vatra" in Romanian has meaning not of fire as it is, but of "fireplace". Intriguing is that in ancient Iranian language of Avesta exists word "athar"; with typical Slavic prothesis /v/ + athar, this could be also source for word "vatra". Also interesting is that in Albanian language is word "mir" meaning "good"; in South Slavic and in Ukrainian "mir" means "peace", and in Russian can also have meaning "world". It would be good thing to compare the lexic (vocabulary) of Slavic languages and of Albanian language and to see all possible borrowed words.
Good post, but the majority of linguists consider 'vatra' a word of Albanian origin. Its different meanings (fireplace, home, house etc.) and dialectal variations should be proof enough.
@@user-kb5py3hm2e It seems to me that "vatra" could not be considered as an Albanian word. Why? because it exists in both Croatian and Serbian shtokavian and today as a standard word in entire central Southslavic area (Serbia, Bosna, Montenegro/Crna Gora/Croatia); also in Romanian language, and what is surprising in language of Lemki people (on border of Poland and Ukraina in Carpathians; because I'm speaker of Croatian and also studied Polish language, when I was listening to the Lemki people language, it seems to me as being between Ukrainian, Polish, but also I recognised some connections to south Slavic languages ... namely, area of Lemki together with people of Boiki (Slovak, Hungarian, Ukrainian border) and Hutsuli (Ukraina and Romania border) is actually region where tribe/protonation of Ukrainian Croats was living during the 9th and 10th century according to the chronicle of Nestor ... So, "vatra" could be considered as word common to the Dinaric-Carpathian region ... (name Balkan is not proper name to use in this situation because the Balkan mountain is in Bulgaria and in Bulgaria as far as I know they don't have this word, neither it exists in other Slavic languages ...
@@krunomrki the fact that it exists in some West Slavic languages as well makes it very complicated but Albanian sound changes (*o- > vo-/va-) are normally very straightforward, that's why I don't think it has been a borrowing. The fact that the word occupies the same semantic field in both Albanian and Romanian indicates a Paleo-balcanic origin in my opinion.
@@user-kb5py3hm2e In modern standard Croatian language word "vatra" has the meaning of "fire", the same as today archaic word "oganj", which is found in all other Slavic languages, as in Polish: ogień. In Kaikavian and Slovenian: ogenj. In other Slavic: ogon, ogan, ohon, etc. We have in Croatian also word in meaning "fireplace": ognjište (it is related usually and traditionally with the house, expanding its meaning metaphorically to the house it self , usually as: old or ancient seat of the family). Besides the word "vatra" and "oganj" we have also word "požar" what means big , open uncontrolled, devastating fire that consumes objects like houses but also forests. (I don't know do you speak Croatian or some other Slavic language.) For example, in Kaikavian "domestic" word is "ogenj" and "vatra" is coming from shtokavian. In chakavian (spoken today in Adriatic islands in Istria and in some part of northern sea coast (primorje around city Rijeka, Vinodol) is form "oganj" ... Chakavian and Kaikavian dialects were in the past, before the Ottoman conquest during the 15th and 16th century, spoken in much larger territory than today (although Kaikavian is internationaly recognised as a language with tradition of written literature from 15th century till today). And shtokavian was penetrating with migrations during Ottoman wars from Bosna and from other regions in the Balkan interior. And "vatra" spread with those migrations. Territory of Croatian state before Ottomans was mostly chakavian and shchakavian (using "ča" and "šća" for "what" while in shtokavian is "što" and often "šta"; in Kaikavian: kaj? Some Croatian poets of 17th century were using the a mixture of all three Croatian dialects, as Fran Krsto Frankopan did.
Shouldn't be hard at all to see Illyrian/Albanian deep in antiquity with Greek dieties. Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day or morning star. Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus. Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea. Ionian Sea. Albanian Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = our. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean, Mare Nostum (our sea) There are so many more just the more obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
There actually is a whole paragraph in mesapic on stone writing in puglia Italy and is easily recognisable as Albanian. It also provides evidence of mesapic contribution to Latin/Italian.
The evidence is extremely limited so we have to bear that in mind but put it this way, if someone asked me for some reason to recreate a sentence in Illyrian - I'd do exactly what Matasovic did and base it on Albanian.
@@LearnHittite I lean this way myself. It also used to be widely thought that Albanian descended from Thracian, but, not sure how much of a thing that still is. Anyway, excellent work, thank you.
...Neacșu's Letter (Scrisoarea lui Neacșu de la Câmpulung) from 1521 is formally considered the first known written document in Romanian. ..Romanian and Albanian are two close languages and it is interesting that the oldest records in those languages appeared at the same time.
This is brilliant! Regarding the word “dhünoti” at 11:10, it seems very similar to the word “Dhunti” in modern Albanian, which sort of means talent, or a natural skill that is “given” to someone.
@@LearnHittiteyeah right😂 how come only Albanians always clame that are the Illyrians and nobody has an idea where we come from. Did we just fall from the sky one night or were we there before all others 😂
@@user-kb5py3hm2e There is evidence. Just google "Illyrian Personal Anthroponyms" for scientific proof, but it doesnt fit mainstream and Albanian history so people dont wanna talk about it.
@@LearnHittite illyrian hat plis/pileus was on roman coins. today says nothing more albanian than this white hat. illyrians were well known in roman empire. everything else is slavic propaganda.
Lots of politics entered into the Illyrian question. When I lived in Trieste in the 1950s my school friends used to call me "Illyrico" after telling them that my ancestors hailed from the Serbian land of Montenegro. Later, when I went to university one of my professor postulated that we only have sources that they existed in the Balkans and fused with others as migrations shifted, but we have no evidence of their written or spoken language and if it is a "lesser-known Indo-European language", then it can only be closer to old Romanian (Cici, a Vlah people living near Trieste) with many Latin and Slavic words in the mix.
Not only Nefillim = In the Begining in Albanian. Bereshit, or Genesis, where Beresit = The Making in Albanian. Hyll, in Isaiah, which was translated as Lucifer. In Albanian Hyll= Star. The passage says if I remember correctly "Oh Hyll of the morning how low you have fallen." Urim and Thumim. Albanian Urim = Blessing, and Thumim Geg Dialect or Thumbim, literary = Sting. But even Genesis, in Albanian Gjenesa, where Gje = things/matter, and Nisa= Start. Basically the beginning of creation. Albanian is a goldmine kept hidden in plain site. Those Pelasgians must have traveled a lot.
Serbian nationalist arguments are pathetic, especially when considering the recent DNA studies that clearly show a local Balkan origin for the Albanians, vs the Slavs that nobody in academia doubts came into the Balkans for the first time in the 7th century.
"The first certain Slavic raids date to the early 6th century during the time of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justin I (r. 518-527), coinciding with the end of the Vitalian revolt of 511-518.[8] Procopius recorded that in 518 a large army of the Antae, "who dwell close to the Sclaveni", crossed the Danube River into Roman territory"
Albanians cant be Illyrians. Illyrians was great sailors and accused for piracy at the sea... Albanians on the other hand never were and on top of that doesnt have a single naval word of Albanian origin...
@@Annatar I could agree with you on the genetic aspect of the Balkan origin but the aspect i find pathetic in the Albanian national arguments is equalizing Illyrians and Albanians in would be same as if the Serbs were to equalize Serbs and Slavs, or Germans claiming all Germanic lands. and are using these terms like Not native-Invaders, raiders for people who have been living in the area for 1400 years. the reality is even if you are descendant from Illyrians you have no idea which tribe would it be or even if it is strictly the Illyrians and not Thracians. because there is no direct historic connection between Albanians and any of the Balkan people. That's why Albanians claiming Illyrian lands has the same basis as Albanians claiming Indo-European lands the only difference is proximity and time the argument is the same. And if genetics are relevant for the claim its quite obvious that Slavs assimilated many native tribes as reflected in the south Slavic DNA, so what are we doing now measuring the average representation of the of haplogroups in general population to validate land claims? Such arguments are beyond pathetic and ridiculous.
Refer to Leibniz for albanian language Also the latest publication in Science journal which qualifies albanian, together with helenic and armenian languages, as more than 8000 years
Only difference is that what's called Greek today has very little to do with ancient Greek. It developed in Macedonian colonies in Asia and Africa and was not spoken in Greece until it was forced on the population through force replacing the native language which was Tosk Albanian.
bro what are you talking about Indo-European is only like 5000 years old. Any linguist will tell you it is IMPOSSIBLE to study a language older than 7000 years ago
@@milic5068 u istrazivanju origine indo-evropianslih jezika nisu ucestvovali samo lingvisti nego i geneticari, antropolozi, isoricari, i drugi i to ne iz jedne drzave nego sa nekolicine od njih, od kanada preko evrope do australije. Njih 27-ro mislim. Journal science 2023 godine. Jos nesto, begradski universitet u saradnji (mislom sa harvadskim) uradili su studiju (2023) o genetici balkanskih naroda i pogledejate ko su etnicki starosedeoci balkana a ko su dosljavi.
@@GJ-dj4jx no. As a Greek I can assure you that modern Greek uses the exact same vocabulary with ancient Greek (Attic and Koine). I can easily prove this to you. Give me any ancient Greek text, from Homer, Herodotus, etc, you name it, and I will tell you in English what is says. Also I will show you that nearly 100% of the "ancient" words are used today by Greeks. I really want to know your source when you say "the native language was Tosk Albanian". What do you mean by that? It is true that we had a large Arvanite population, nearly 15% or even 20% of the total population in the 1800s, but Albanian the native language?? How??
The reason why Illyrian is connected with Venetian is Alfoldy. He was the first to try to theorize how the inhabitants of Illyricum spoke, and given the lack of records, he studied personal names from the 1st century in the Roman province of Dalmatia (southern half of Illyricum). Among other things, he found 2 Venetian names in the north of Liburnia and first concluded that the Liburni were close to the Veneti, and then others immediately applied it to the whole of Illyricum, considering the Liburni as one of the Illyrians. Subsequently, when other scientists made a more detailed study and included toponyms in consideration, the categorization changed. The Liburnians have nothing to do with the Veneti, but they are not Illyrians either. In that film, a Liburnian person speaks "Illyrian", it's a big mistake. Liburnian should be at least one I-E migration older than the others in Illyricum. Centumization is obvious with personal names and toponyms from these studies so it was easy to relate Illyrian to Centum group. Messapic is the result of the migration of the Proto-Illyrians, not the Illyrians, that migration happened at the end of the Bronze Age and was not the only one of its kind, Iapodes also crossed the Adriatic, the Siculi too (500 years later they would move from Italy to Sicily and give it its current name). The languages and cultures of the Illyrii, Delamate, Panoni were then only emerging at the beginning of the Iron Age, while the Liburnians made their way from the Bronze to the Iron with an older speech - due to their geographical location, they were bypassed by the stratification of the population with new arrivals from the I-E migration 3,300 years ago. In short, Illyrian and Messapic share a source and were probably in contact at the beginning or the 1st part of the Iron Age. Since the middle of the Iron Age, the situation was changing on the Adriatic but also on the Apennines, and the connections between the two coasts weakened.
This is Albanian as well. DIA O E CILIT DONI. VLERA STELE SHPORR. MOS ÇONI VLERAT NCOPTIMA. It's in your London museum. Go see it. Written by CAR JELE ( JULIUS CESAR ) and my grandfather's words. Left by QORR ILIAZI ( BLIND ILIAD ), go see it ? And get back to me
Last year prof. Matasovic was invited in the The 41st International Seminar on the Albanian Language, Literature and Culture organized by the University of Prishtina to hold a lecture on this topic. He participated online and did a presentation called "Reimagining Illyrian". I wasn't able to go to Prishtina and listen to what he said but i wrote him an email and he kindly sent me the Power Point presentation. Of course a ppt presentation is only a shadow of a lecture but still it was kind of him to respond. I haven't seen the film yet, but i saw some interviews from a few albanian actors who were in the project, and who claimed to have been an interesting experience.
Albanian nationalists claim that certain words in Homer’s Iliad have Albanian roots as part of a broader narrative to assert the ancient origins of the Albanian language and link it to the Illyrians, who they considered the ancestors of Albanians. These claims often suggest that traces of the Albanian language, appear in ancient Greek texts, thereby emphasizing a long-standing historical presence in the Balkans. However, mainstream linguistic scholarship dismisses these claims as linguistically unfounded, noting that any perceived similarities between Albanian and Greek words are coincidental and lack historical or linguistic context. Additionally, the Iliad was composed centuries before the development of the Albanian language, and no credible evidence suggests a connection between ancient Greek and Albanian in this regard. This type of claim is typically part of nationalistic revisionism, aimed at establishing a deep-rooted historical continuity for modern Albanian identity.😂
Some peoples in the Balkans try to add certain Greek flavour in their culture to make it appear somehow more historic and prestigious.. Albanian language is of no significance in the world linguistic science being poor , of limited to zero productive in the world literature .. Albanian "invented" an alphabet just in 1908... before that date no written culture !!! like Aboriginals .!!
Thanks for the video! It seems like things are more or less about where they were when I was in college back around the year 2000 (although I was an Engineering major, so probably not the best position to know the latest and greatest in Indo-European studies). Regardless, these ancient minority languages which are scarcely attested are a dime a dozen, and Illyrian is one of the more important ones (for example, the languages of the Sea Peoples are even more of a mystery). I guess that save for a sudden discovery of a cache of Illyrian texts, this is where the state of the art will remain for the foreseeable future...
There is still an area near Albanian Adriatic coast right across Italy call Mesapik. You can google it. In Albanian 'mes' means 'middle'. You also have Messina, a city in Italy right in the middle of the small strip of land that connects Italy to Sicily.
@@PlisChroniclerAL my friend.. This is only theory.. If you understand word theory.. Which is Greek word.. 😂 😂 Show us something acceptable from all civilization countries.. 😂 😂
@@PlisChroniclerAL Or show us one archeological place in Albania that belongs to illyrian.. Only one 😂 😂 😂 😂.. Sorry Billys. Was half and half.. Other????
@@ZOTIMETROJETTONA DNA science is a breakthrough that shows that we are all a mix like a minestrone soup.I have watched many people’s DNA results and what it shows is history.
@@Metanoia000 Don’t worry,the worst thing that happened to the invented history is DNA science and now we are at the early stage.The so called Balkan DNA has 18% Albanian haplogroup.So we have to invest in our own land and do our own investigation because if you listen to them we come from Asia but when you test our DNA we are similar to Greeks and Italians which means they lie to themselves.
How can you be 100% sure? Firstly the Greeks write it down as either Bardylis or Bardulis, not Bardhyll. There is an alternative explanation. We can start with the PIE root *wor which means 'to watch over' 'protect'. Balto-Slavic languages had the sound change *o to *a - *war. We add the ending -da (words like pravda, krivda, vražda) and get *warda/*varda which would mean something like protection. To that we add the suffix -ul which was used in making names (example Radul from 'rad') and you get Wardul/Vardul meaning 'protector' 'defender'. That would basically be the same name as Alexander, Alexius or Slavic names like Branko. The Greeks wrote B instead of the /w/ or /v/ sounds they did not have and added their grammatical ending -is so they wrote it down as Bardulis.
@@LudwigWhitby what are you talking of ? Bardh Yll ->. White Star Albanian believed in the Sun, Stars before the christianity cames to our region. we where PAGAN, lived with the nature pershendetje nga Dardania - Republika e kosoves 🇽🇰🇽🇰🇽🇰🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
@@LudwigWhitby there is no similarities with another language. it make sense in Albanian. Bardh Yll-> white star Albanian and greek is one of the oldest language in Europe ( still spoken)
@@beratmaliqi5445 There are with Balto-Slavic languages. Bardylis can be Vardul - meaning 'protector' Furthermore, languages change and you have to use Illyrian or some sort of pre-proto Albanian and not modern day Albanian. Nobody in the ancient world spoke the language that you speak.
@@pubgm_zenga Pan- Illyrianism, that's where it's at. The Pelasgians were the original Arians and spread the language/culture which was kept as pure as it can be in the Albanian mountains, and especially by the Dardanians, who had colonies such as Troy and never got fully subjugated.
The Albanian language has a strong resemblance to the Messapic language,Illyrian or not,it has ancient roots and its attested early.On the other hand there is absolutely no proof that the irish and scottish people descended from celts,as there is no recorded celtic migration in these lands,the celts were propably primitive tribes which spoke different languages and went extinct.But also the Illyrian ethnonym is wrong,because in these lands there were organised Kindoms such the Ardiaean Kingdom,the Kingdom of the Dardanians,and the Kingdom of the Taulantians,no such thing as" Illyrians" they were called Illyrians by others.The film Illyricum do not illustrate the true culture of these people, and portrays them as uncivillised as the celts or the germanics,and mind you the terms "celts" and "germanics" are not correct as we do not know how these tribesmen called themselves
Are you serious? All of England was Celtic before AngloSaxon invasions and so was most of Europe. Celts even invaded south all the way to Greece which is attested by historians before they were defeated and returned north. Where is Albanian language ever attested?
@@fallenstate5933 All England were celltic,since when?there is no recorded celtic migration there.And Albanian is closely related to Messapian language .And "celts" is an exonym that other people gave to these probably unrelated tribes....
@@DimitrisDim-n4p You will find the influence of Celts and Celtic languages in England in Wales and Ireland very much so. Yes there is recorded celtic migration to England before the AngloSaxons moved there from todays Denmark(because they were Scandinavian tribes). It's an interesting theory that Albanian is related to Messapian with no conclusive evidence though. If it were, how is it possible Albanian never got an alphabet? The whole of Europe used an alphabet, for gods sake even the barbarian Slavs got educated and given an alphabet
@@fallenstate5933 Acording to your logic even the Romans got no alphabet also,because they adapted a form of the Greek one which in turn propbly derived from the Phoenician one,now the Athenians also got no alphabet?The Messapians used the Greek one,and the whole of Europe uses the Latin,except Greece and some Slavic countries which use the Cyrillic, of course Albanians use the Latin one since the early Albanians were well integrated in the Roman society and the nobles communicated in writen forms with Latin and later on the high middle ages that changed to Attic Greek.On the other hand how can you prove that Britain and Ireland was Celtic,the Celtic theory invented in the 18th century,none of those people called themselves celts before,and even the Roman's called the tribes of Scotland "Picts" and "Calledonians"in the 3rd century, were on earth do you see Celts?Ireland in those times was unexplored territory, since nothing new nothing about it.Plus Slavs were not barbarians because it's a fact they descent from Scythians and Sarmatians,sophisticated peoples which recorded in lands which Slavs appeared...
10:45 Deu a dai sounds to me like Dheu a dai, meaning Earth is heroic/noble. Or read back to front Dai i dheut, meaning ~Hero of Earth, or earthen hero. Dai is also pretty archaic and mostly used as an adjective nowadays, not as a name in itself. Dai also sounds like Dhi-a to me, meaning goat.
Bardylis (“Bardhyll” in modern Albanian language meaning “White-Star”) was king of the Illyrians during 393-358 B.C.E. He was born around 448 B.C.E. as a member of the Illyrian tribe of the Enchelei. The Enchelei inhabited primarily the area around lake Lychnidus (Ohrid).
@@darladallddoria143 I agree about the possibility that Illyrian, Albanian and Ancient Greek might have been dialects of the same language. It explains why Greece was mostly Albanian until they whiped it out and introduced a technical Greek version no one spoke and everyone was forced to learn it. But the letters are not coming from Greece, they were used way before.
@@GJ-dj4jx the letters are by the Greeks... The latin alphabet is the ancient Greek Alphabet from the ancient Greek island Ευβοια, but with two letters Y and Z from the ancient Greek Attic Alphabet... The official alphabet in Greece is the " ΑΤΤΙΚΟΝ - Αttic"
@@GJ-dj4jx No,,, The Greece was Not albanian because the Greeks are not turk-albanians.. The Greeks have not caucasian turk - albanian dna. ,, you don't know about the Greek Language, so you don't know that the Greek Language is The same Language from the ancient Greek period, before 10000 years.. The Greeks speak the same Language from the ancient Greek period.. The turk-albanians came from the abanian caucasian river along with turks after the Greek Byzantine Empire means after the year 1453 and spoke a turkish type caucasian language without alphabet and letters.. The turk-albanian language today has mainly turk-caucasians words, slavic words, Greek words and latin words.. The Greek Language is Not a version and the last 10000 years has the same Greek words and Alphabet.. The Greeks from the ancient Greek period they spoke and speek only the Greek Language
@@darladallddoria143 You don't even deserve a reply because you're obviously an ignorant troll. But anyways, what is Greece now was mostly Albanian and many of the so called Greek mythological figures make sense in Albanian not in Greek. So Albanians were probably there way before ;) Here are just a few obvious examples: Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam. Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish. Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek. Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus. Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea. Ionian Sea. Albanian = Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = Our in Alb. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostum (Our Sea) There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
Nationalist sentiment leads people to name their children in a way which fits their narrative even if there's no cultural or historic basis in doing so. None of those names were used in the past.
@@davidscwimer1974 proof !!? Well if language its not enaugh for you ( by the way its the only language in which all those proofs u have of about greeks make sense ) just wait , time will give u tons of proofs . Untill than i wish u well.
Pelasgians are by ancient Greek writers related with Tyrsenians/Tyrrhenians ... in northern Aegean Khalkhidike peninsula, with Pelasgiotis region of ancient Thessalia and with not far from Thessaly Dodona in Epirus ... also, Pelasgians and Tyrrhenians are mentioned as inhabitants of island Lemnos in northern Aegean ... in Odyssey Pelasgians are mentioned as one group of inhabitants of island Crete ... Herodotus mentioned Pelasgians in a few cities in Propontis (Marmera sea) ...
@davidscwimer1974- The word Illirian Is Albanian - that means Free or Some spell it Ylliri -in Albanian that mean Youngstar !! What more proof do u want !?
@@UnlimitedAspirations24 how are you using modern Albanian written in an Italian alphabet to find a meaning of a word that was coined by the Greeks and then the romans 😂wake up 🔝
@@davidscwimer1974 How were these words coined?Whats their etymology. An example please.If possible the etymology of the greek word FISIS and the latin NATURAE.Thank you.
@@pranveraohri1204 Etymology: The name “Illyrian” is derived from “Illyrii,” which was the name used by the ancient Greeks and Romans to describe the people living in this region. It is not a modern Albanian name 😂 Show me how you come to the conclusion of what it means using modern Albanian … I love those !
Albanian-English LiBur-born men or brave SiLeUc-born as a Wolf Shkodra or Kodra-Hill Ilir or Ilyr-Free or Painted (men) AgRon- leader live Un-Me Ujë-Water Dora-Hand Syri-Eye Gishti-Finger Guha-Tong Hunda-Nose Le Li or Lind -Birth Born Goja Goia-Mouth Thoni Thut -Nail Nails Hena Hona-Moon Ylli or Hyli -Star Dielli ,Dilli -Sun Zot-God Za ,Zani -Voice Zë,Zeri-Voice To be continued
Do you have a photo of the ring? You say that the interpretation by Ognenova is forced but the other one isn't? It is even more forced. It just needs imaginary deities, a loan from Greek etc. IC was used by Christians for Jesus. X IC could possibly have been used for Χριστός Ιησούς (Christ Jesus). I would like to see a photo though to have an opinion.
Should I or should I not?😂😂😂 I think people far to much concentrate on descending theories. Almost like it would be impossible for a language to be born aside from dialectal and chronological spread. But language hybridization and creoles are a thing! Not to mention, that the further back we go, we expect the languages should become more similar. If now a proto Ilyrian word in the balkans, has similarities to a proto Celtic word in Irland, then these two words dont mean that they are descendents of each other. Km pretty sure Ilyrian is also considered a IE language, so similarities to other IE languages should be expected, and unless we can reliably reconstruct the proces of one word entering another language, we can not simply imply a heritage. Lets just further ignore that the eastward expandi celts surely had contact with Ilyrians and it also coud be a loan the other way around. None the less, it remains speculative.
What about Albanian’ connection with Romanian? Do you think proto-Albanian originated further north than modern Albania? Were proto Albanians neighbors with proto greeks?
according to albanian dictionary channel the Illyrian and Hellenic language were one and the same. however, it was not one language but rather a group of more than a dozen dialects some non intelligible with each other. For this reason we have the dictionary of Hesychius which you referenced in your presentation. the Helens did not understand many of the iylyrian words that were in their ancient texts, thats why they created the dictionary in alexandria. also albanian language cannot be explained by toponims because o more then 30 invasions throughtout history and names which each culture has left behind. there are many other arguments that the researcher brings out
@@tony232cool I tend to agree. Many dialects/languages like Illyrian ones all coming from same proto Greek and Albanian. It would explain why so many ancient dieties being in Albanian, like Aphrodite, or Aferdite in Alb. In Alb 'afer' means near and 'dite' means day. Near DayBasically the Morning star, Venus, the planet. There are so many more, but we get the idea.
@@Johnny-pk3iq many many text but especially the coins which albanin dictionary has mention in some of the videos, all of them have the insignia koinon... however primarly it is supported on the gramar syntax and verb tenses and name declensions. verb tenses are identical in albainan as in hellenic not similiar but identical. all verbs not some all of them whic means albania ia direct descentant of illyro hellenic ancient language. greek is a reconstructed language of the 4th centy ac based in the only surving dialect of the time the greikos
@@tony232cool show us something ot one text from illyrians.. Only one please and left your poem who learn from hotza.. Show us one.. And coins in Billys.. Are in clear Greek.. 😂 😂 😂 100%%
It’s probably closer to a Greek dialect then any other language I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that the Greeks knew and wrote more then anyone else about the Illyrians
A lot of modern Greeks(Arvanites) have Albanian ancestry, and the modern Greek language is constructed with a lot of Albanian elements in it. Most likely the ancient Greeks were part Illyrians as well, the Dorians for example, associated with the words Dru- ( wood, woodland, etc. ), Dor- (hand, to give etc. ) and the -ian(they are). Illyrian/Yllirian/Hellenes/Ellines --very similar words and meanings, probably different variants.
....The linguists Stefan Schumacher and Joachim Matzinger (University of Vienna) assert that the first literary records of Albanian date from the 16th century. The oldest known Albanian printed book, Meshari, or "missal", was written in 1555 by Gjon Buzuku, a Roman Catholic cleric...... If the Albanian language is so old, why are there no written documents in that language in 1500 years. Illyrians have haplogroup I2, which is dominant among the people of the former Yugoslavia (Dinarians), while this haplogroup is negligible among Albanians.
What this proves is that there's not enough evidence to concluded anything about Illyrian language. We have to have some interdisciplinary studies going
@@LearnHittite I think the people that make mistake is if a leanguage have been writen very late in History this doesent mean that a leanguage was not spoken before We must know the difference of Spoken Leanguage and Writen Leanguage am I right
@@vigisisisiif there is no ancient written documents.. Wr can created a new language and we said that is new.. 😂 😂 Latin alphabet 30 % latin words 20.000 greek words special in high level speaking education . And is old????
@@Johnny-pk3iq You didnt Understand I sayed if a leanguage was writen very late in history this doesent mean that leanguage was not spoken before it was writen
@@Johnny-pk3iq Lets take an example a Person from the day he born till the day he died he didnt go to school he didnt know to write and read and how he learned to speak and comunicate with peoples that he meets all his life till the day he died
If you take the Slavic out of the equation, in the once called Illyrian peninsula, you are left with a bunch of Illyrian-Thracian-Dardanian tribes, that in reality are the same people, with the same language but in dialects. Because that in modern times we have many countries, all pretending to be native to the land, of course you are going to have mysteries like this. But the ancient Balkans was all Albanian. They traveled and fought so far, from India to Africa and Great Britain. This is the one thing that modern historians can't swallow.
The knew that's the case that's why there was a good number of linguists that believed in Pan- Illyria. But for political reasons modern linguists ignores the evidence.
Albanians through propaganda like in this video try desperately to convince themselves and others that they have not been goat growers only but that they do have some history as nation. Albanians do not appear in any significant historic event during last 3000 years and the Albanian language is poor in diction and of miserable sound , being without alphabet until 1908 !!!! .
@christopherellis2663 - That is Albanian so the word NANA that everyone uses for grandma in states is NOT Italian it IS ALBANIAN! So NËNË / NANË/ = NANA means mom in ALBANIAN ✌️
Can anyone provide linguistical proofs that will counter the fact that only through obvious Albanian linguistic connection we can relate the meanings of Thraco-Illyrian personal names, name of tribal communities and regions which prove that Albanian language and ethnos is the only survivor of Thraco-Illyrian Branch (Balkan Indo-European) of Indo-European language family and descendants of the last unified small isolated linguistic Thraco-Illyrian dialects fused in some sort of last linguistical and cultural effort to survive in form of partially or weakly Latin influenced Thraco-Illyrian creole and last cultural remnants of Thraco-lllyrian culture in the age of intense linguistical and cultural Latinisation and Hellenisation. -Liburni (alb. Lumbron = navigate / Lundron = sail or 'Liburnët' i.e. Sailing/Navigating-people), -Pirustae (alb. Prrush = ore/coal or 'Prrushtarët' i.e. Mining people), -Sciritari (alb. Shkretë = Wilderness or 'Shkretarët' i.e. Wildernes dwelling-people, there's still existing Gheg Albanian tribe named 'Shkreta' or 'Shkreti'), -Dalmatae (alb. Delmë = Sheep or 'Delmatët' i.e. Sheep-herding people), -Dasaretae (alb. Dash = Ram or 'Dasharetët' i.e. Ram-like or Ram-herding people), -Amantes (alb. Amë =River bed or 'Amantët' i.e. Along river-beds dwelling people), -Bylliones (alb. Bullë = Oxen or 'Bullonët' i.e. Oxen-herding people), -Dindari (alb. Dhenë = Goat / 'Dhindarët' i.e. Goat-like or Goat-herding people), -Enchelei (Ngjala = Eel or 'Ngjalenët' i.e. Eel-herding or Eel-fishing people), -Labeates (Lap/Lepur = Rabbit i.e. Rabbit-hunting, Rabbit-like or Rabbit-herding people, there's still Tosk Abanian subgroup of 'Labë' and ethnological regions in Albania called 'Labëria' and in Kosovo called 'Lapi'), -Derretini and Derroi (alb. Derr =Pig or 'Derronët' i.e. Pig-herding people), -Barridustae (alb. Bari = Shepherd or 'Bardushët' i.e. Shepherd-people), -Taulanti (alb. Tallëndyshe/Dallëndyshe = Swallow bird or 'Tallandët' i.e. Swallow bird-like people or Swallow-like migrating Transhumance-people), -Glintidiones (alb. Gdhend = Wood-engarving or 'Gdhendtonët' i.e. Wood-engarving, wood-cutting people or Woodcraft people), -Lopsi (alb. Lopë = Cow or 'Lopsët' i e. Cow herding-peoples), ■-Dardani (alb. Dardhë = Pear or 'Dardhanët' i.e. Pear-like or Pear farming-people, which also perfectly explain the Slavic translation of the name of the town of Kruševac (Peartown) in present-day central Serbia which is the suposed location of ancient Dardanopolis), ●-Galabri/Kalabri (alb. Kalë = Horse or 'Kalabrët' i.e. Horse-herding people), ●-Thunatae/Thunaki (alb. Thuna = Cornel or 'Thunakët' i.e. Cornel bush-dwelling people or cornel farming people). -Illyri (alb. "I lirë"= Free or Yll =Star, same meaning as: 'Free people' or 'Freedom loving people' and 'Stars-worshiping people), -Albanoi/Arbanoi (alb. Arbër or Arbëria oldest endonym of Albanians) -Bato (alb. Bac/Bats = Title of Most prominent shepherd-king and most fearsome warrior in some tribe), -Burrebista (alb. Burrë =Man Bishë = Beast i.e. Beast Man or title given to most fearsome warrior or Burrë=Man + Bisht =hair tail i.e. Hair tail man, usualy most prominent warriors had distinctive hair tails style, especially among Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian, Celtic and Germanic tribes, even one century ago many hair tails styles were used among Gheg Albanian tribal warriors to be distingushed from one another), -Decebalus (alb. Dhjetë-ballë i.e. Ballë =Handle i.e. (Strong) or Handling as ten man)...etc. -Bardylis (alb. Bardh = White +Yll = Star = Whitestar) -Teuta (alb. Tuta = Fear i.e. title of most prominent and most fearsome women warrior) -Dimale (alb. Dy =Two + Male =Mountains i.e. 'Dymale' or Between two mountains), -Lissos {Lezha} (alb. Lis = Oak) -Birmizium {Podgorica} (alb. Bir =Hole or Walley + Zi =Black i.e Black walley), -Brindizi {Brindisi} (alb. Brin/Brind = Horn + Zi = Black i.e. Black horn, which perfetcly fits the explanation due the fact that town's natural port is in shape of horn), -Scodra {Shkodra} (alb. Shkëmb=Rocky + Kodër=hill i.e. Rocky hill), -Ulqin {Ulcinj} (alb. Ujk =Wolf), -Epirus (alb. Epër/Epëri = Upperland or Highland), -Molossia (alb. Malësia = Mountain massif), -Chaonia/Chaomia (corresponds with Albanian-populated region called 'Çamëria' and Tosk Albanian subgroup of Çamë in Epirus), -Hum, an old name of the region of Herzegovina (alb. 'Humë' or Humnerë = Abys, Gulf, Chasm) -Lika, name of the region in Croatia (alb. 'Likë' or Lajkë = Flat highland) -Trogir, (alb. Tre = Three + Gurrë = Rock i.e. 'Trigur' or Between three rocks, perfectly fits the explanation as town of Trogir in Dalmatia is located between three rocks). -Apulia/Puglia, region at the 'heel' of the Italian peninsula (alb. Pulë = Fowl or Poultry, its located at the exact opposite coastline from the ethnographic region in Albania called 'Pulat') ...etc. ruclips.net/video/hHg8unFpYDc/видео.htmlsi=3HSlGDc_eJpC_ES7
Albanoi (Arbanoi) were an Illyrian tribe. They were possibly first mentioned by Hecataeus of Miletus (550-476 BCE) under the name 'Abroi'. ClaudiusPtolemy (100-170 CE) is the first author who mentions them under the name 'Albanoi'. Their central settlement was called Albanopolis and was located roughly between the Mat and Shkumbin rivers, in present-day central Albania. The archaeological site of Zgërdhesh near town of Krujë has been identified as the likely location of Albanopolis. Stephanus of Byzantium who reproduced Hecataeus added an entry for another settlement named 'Arbon' in Illyria whose inhabitants were called 'Arbonioi' or 'Arbonites'. Another Arbon was recorded by Polybius. John of Nikiû wrote in the 7th century CE about a people known as 'Arbanitai' in the Greek translation of the manuscript. In the Middle Ages, the names 'Albanoi' and Arbanitai/'Albanitai' referred to medieval Albanians as an ethnic group. The equivalent terms in Latin are 'Albanenses'/'Arbanenses', in Vlach: 'Arbineș', in Slavic: 'Arbanasi' and later in Turkish: 'Arnaut'. These names reflect the Albanian ethnic endonym 'Arbër'/'Arbëreshë'/'Arbëneshë', which 'Albanoi' derives itself. In the archaeological records, the Albanoi are mentioned on a funeral inscription in Stobi (present-day central North Macedonia) and Albanopolis is mentioned on another funeral inscription near Scupi (Skopje). Another ethnonym, 'Arbaios' found in locality of Finiq (Phoenice) is likely linked to them.
Polybius (200-118 BCE) mentions a location named "Arbon" in his description of the Roman-Illyrian Wars. "Arbon" in a series of mistranslations has been named an "island" or a "city" even though Polybius never mentions it as such. The place has not been identified, and it is unlikely that it refers to the northern Adriatic island of Rab (attested for the first time as Arba (Arbëria) by Pliny). An interdisciplinary reading of the passage indicates that "Arbon" might actually have been in central Albania, roughly in the same location as the later Albanopolis (Ptolemy) and Arbanon (Anna Komnene). Wilhelm Tomaschek (1841-1901) considered Arbon to be the "first attestation of the modern name of Albania". Ptolemy (100-170 CE) is the first author who mentions the ethnonym of the Albanoi in "Geographia". The Albanoi are mentioned in the third book of "Geographia". They were a people who lived in the region between Mat and Shkumbin rivers and held the settlement Albanopolis. Johann Georg von Hahn first noted that the suffix -polis ("city") was probably added at a later date by other authors as in other editions it is mentioned as "Albanos polis" or "Albanos". Archelogical site of Zgërdhesh near town of Krujë has been identified as the likely location of Albanopolis. It is not certain if its location corresponds to the region mentioned as Arbanon mentioned by Anna Komnene in the "Alexiad" about events related to the First Norman invasion of the Balkans(1081). An indication of movement from higher altitudes in a much earlier period has been detected in the distribution of Albanian place names ending in -esh, derives from the Latin -ensis (Vulgar Latin -ēsis), between the Shkumbin and the Mat rivers, with a concentration between modern towns of Elbasan and Krujë. John of Nikiû (7th century), a Coptic bishop mentions in the French translation of a manuscript titled "Chronicle" that barbarians, foreign peoples and Illyrians, ravaged the cities of the Christians and took the inhabitants alive in the Byzantine Empire. Hermann Zotenberg who translated the "Chronicle" from Geʽez (Ethiopian) to French rendered with the term Illyrians, a term which in the original manuscript corresponded to 'Alwerikon'. 'Alwerikon' in the Romaica (Byzantine) Greek translation of the "Chronicle" corresponded to the term Albani(k/t)on (genitive of Albanitai). Constantine Sathas (1842-1912) who first recorded the discrepancy between different translations considered the mention of 'Alwerikon' an attestation of the same population as the Illyrian 'Albanoi'. Michael Attaleiates (1022-1080) mentions the term 'Albanoi' twice and the term 'Arbanitai' once. The term 'Albanoi' is used first to describe the groups which rebelled in southern Italy and Sicily against the Byzantines in 1038-40. The second use of the term 'Albanoi' is related to groups which supported the revolt of George Maniakes in 1042 and marched with him throughout the Balkans against the Byzantine capital, Constantinople. The term 'Arvanitai' is used to describe a revolt of Bulgarians (Boulgaroi) and Arbanitai in the Theme (Province) of Dyrrhachium (Durrës) in 1078-79. It is generally accepted that 'Arbanitai' refers to the ethnonym of medieval Albanians. As such, it is considered to be the first attestation of Albanians as an ethnic group in Eastern Roman (Byzantine) historiography. The use of the term 'Albanoi' in 1038-49 and 1042 as an ethnonym related to Albanians have been a subject of debate. In what has been termed the "Vranoussi-Ducellier debate", Alain Ducellier proposed that both uses of the term referred to medieval Albanians. Era Vranoussi counter-suggested that the first use referred to Normans, while the second didn't have an ethnic connotation necessarily and could be a reference to the Normans as "foreigners" (aubain) in Epirus which Maniakes and his army traversed. This debate has never been resolved. A newer very possible synthesis about the second use of the term Albanoi by historian Pëllumb Xhufi suggests that the term Albanoi may have referred to Albanians of the specific district of Arbanon, while Arbanitai to Albanians in general regardless of the specific region they inhabited. From thereon, in the next centuries, the term Albanoi is used extensively as the ethnonym for medieval Albanians in Byzantine literature. Albanoi is the formal term for Albanians in modern Greek and until the 20th century it was used interchangeably with the term Arbanitai, which now in Greek refers exclusively to Arvanites. These names reflect the Albanian endonym Arbër/n + esh which itself derives from the same root as the name of the Albanoi.
It seems to me that there is some kind of connection from Illyrian to Albainian, but maybe it's like comparing, say, Oscan to Spanish. A more recent connection to a common ancestor than other languages but not necessarily a direct descendant. But, I think people hate that it's just not entirely knowable. It's certainly plausible that Albanians are the direct descendants of Illyrians, but probably just not so certain that's it's a wagon to hitch all your nationalist aspirations to, though. However, I think the notion that Albanians are not Paleo-Balkan at all is implausible to the point that's it's swinging a nationalist pendulum too far in the opposite direction.
Considering the most recent data by Matzinger, there is no doubt Albanian and Illyrian were two completely different languages. Proto-Albanian was alongside Messapic and Armenian part of the half-satemized paleo-Balkan branch. Not Illyrian and not Thracian, but probably unattested populations with a homeland in the central Balkans, from where Armenians migrated to the east and Messapic speakers to the west, before the Bronze Age collapse.
Gente della montagna per lungo tempo rimane isolata, si mescola poco con altri popoli. Se i Sciptar si credono originari del posto, che gli altri li davano i nomi come Dardani, Iliri, o Arbanas, tutta la logica dice di si, sono del posto. Questione della lingua e' diverso, lingue sono in continua evoluzione e mescolamento e sono tante lingue abbandonate, ma la gente invece, sembra la stessa.
The Albanian connection is dubious to say the least. The small amount of words recorded makes it easy to swing the theory in any way you want. Just by using your own examples I can explain 'sica' with Slavic root word meaning 'to cut' *sěkti. 'Sabaia' can be explained with Slavic word for 'oat' *zobъ, being an oat-beer of sort. Edit: Sibina as spear can also be explained with South Slavic 'svib' meaning dogwood. Dogwood was widely used in the ancient world for spears and the 'v' in old Slavic was most likely pronounced as /w/ which is why it is often omitted in Greek writings.
Are you really trying to turn slavs into illyrians? Youre traitors to the culture, maybe you are genetically illyrian, but you have lost all the language and culture. Illyrian myths remain in Albanian culture and language to this day.
@@MilkmanEditsAL The post was about the possibility of analysing Illyrian as a Slavic language... That's basically proof that Slavs existed in the Balkans at that time and that Illyrians were in fact Slavs. Archeology points to no significant change in material culture before and after the 'Slavic migration' as well. There was an influx of 'Prague culture' pottery, and a reversal of the process of Latinization and even Christianization which might point to the root of the misconception. Illyrians were Slavs just as the Slavs that lived outside of the Roman Empire, but were by the 6th century culturally partially romanized. A new wave of Slavic elites came from accross the Danube and pulled the partially romanized Slavs/Illyrian back into Slavdom. The new Slavic elite was most likely from the Prague culture, which would also explain how come that culture was seemingly placed upon the local Illyrian without any break in continuity.
Not sure if you're a troll. But how do you explain so many Greek deities being in Albanian then? Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam. Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish. Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek. Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus. Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea. Ionian Sea. Albanian = Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = Our in Alb. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostum (Our Sea) There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
The real albanian language is aboriginal,, ❤❤❤❤❤❤all aboriginals understand albanian😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤❤ american sientists are clear...aboriginals migrated to albania,,,,and they started the first european albanian sivilisation,,,strabo the geographer,, is clear.. only aboriginal tribes could creat such a language and suvilisation ,,,❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
Una lingua così diversa non credo ché è sceso da cielo e linguistici non sono in grado di rispondere? Lingua è spagnolo, francese, inglese? Non! Sono tutte lingue ché vengono da latino come lingua italiana. Ma, lingua albanese è tutto diverso da tutti i vicini ché lo chiamavano "lingua maledetta". Quando i vicini hanno fatto guerra e genocidio contro chi parla lingua albanese è logico ché loro hanno fatto guerra anche in campo culturale e nascondono qualcosa particolare. Non è possibile ché Chiesa Ortodossa Greca non sa meglio di tutti quanti, non è possibile! Non è possibile ché in Monte Athos non hanno informazioni più ché tutti quanti. Questa lingua e popolo ché lo parla non sceso da cielo, ma non poteva venire da altre parte per mettersi in catene montuose balcanica, è un ragionamento semplice, lingua albanese era diffusa almeno in maggior parte del balcani ma pian piano è ristretto. Grande scienza linguistica? 6 secoli fa i Arberesh sono fuggito da Peloponneso loro parlano lingua albanese e lo considerano se stesso Arberesh perché così si chiamava albania in Medioevo, Arberia. Sono prove vivente e linguistici non sono in grado dare risposte precise? Allora, linguistica non è scienza e andate via non parlate...
In this video said about illyrian language.. Where is proof.. Albania language is technically Latin alphabet 30 % latin words 20.000 greek words special in high level speaking education as in many languages around world Without proof is not history..
@@Johnny-pk3iq Grazie! Lingua inglese è 60% latin, più tedesco, greco, francese e soltanto 6% è proprio inglese e si chiama lingua. Conoscendo altre lingue capisco quanto è differente lingua albanese quanta semplice e sintetiche ed escluso da studi serie e indipendenti senza essere eclissato da latino e greco. Comunque, Grazie!
could be possibly protoalbanian...but why not consider a uralic language deriving from the step?protohungarian and prototurkish have the word ANA which means mom (in hungarian its actually ANJA) but apart from that,BİCAK resembles the turkish form for knife and spear could be MİZRAK...
only the Albanian language is the Illyrian Pelasgian language and the old Greek, the Slavic language is a language similar to Russian, while the "Greek" language is a religious language, not an old language, today's Greek language has no resemblance to the ancient Hellenic language, while the Albanian is the most ancient language in the Illyrian peninsula, which today is called (Balkan) and in the Iliad in Homer there are words of the Albanian language.
Greek language is older than Christianity by more than 1500 years. Therefore it is totally wrong to say that Greek is a religious language ( i.e. not an Ethnic one) ...it is true though that Christianity managed to spread all over the place using the Greek language as a tool being the most known in the world at that time.
@@georgegiallousis4400 The language (Greek) spoken today in Greece is a technical language, the Greek language has changed twice since 1823, the Greek language spoken today in Greece has nothing in common with the ancient ( Helen) language, it is a religious language.🤷🏻♂️
Greek is not similar to Russian and IS NOT a religious language as it is active and evolving since antiquity i.e. it is older than Christianity therefore cannot be religious.. The first written Greek letters were found on baked mud tablets, in the remains of the Minoan Knossos Palace of Crete island. This language is known as Linear A and it has not been fully decoded till today. The most famous example of Linear A is written in the famous Phaistos Disc. In the 12th century BC, a new language started to develop, called Linear B, where each drawing symbol is a consonant-vowel combination. Linear B dates from the Mycenaean civilization.
The Greek language is well documented as being one of the oldest languages. In fact, it has the most extended history of all Indo-European languages. The earliest inscriptions of Greek words written using the Ancient Greek alphabet date back to 1400 BC, equating to 3,400 years of written records. At the time, more people were speaking Greek than any other language across the Mediterranean. Today , as the Ancient Greek language evolved through ages in various forms , modern Greek is the version of the language that evolved from Ancient Greek through the Medieval Greek .
@@Dragan-t6ware illyrians dictionary.. 😂 😂 You drink something.. Illyrians was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them No archeological places No any written documents.. Nothing
@@gentjanhasani5955 they mean something in Latin and in Greek which doesn’t need word semantics 😂 • Messa- or Messa- derived from a local word for “middle” or “between.” Greek • -apia relate to the term for “water” or “land” (similar to the Greek word “apios,” meaning “water” or “fertile land”).
World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. Today Serbia, (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube. Today Serbia. Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Today Serbia. Harald Haarmann about first Cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC, today Serbia, so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. Today Serbia. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. (There is no such thing as Indo-Europian, or Indo-German how used to be called before) Proto Serbian language is mother of all languages, spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
Proto Serbia language.. What is this.. With all repsect if you are Serbia.. To prove something you need ancient written documents.. You have.. Sorry for my English. I ask from Albanians to show us something before 1550.. But there is not.. So all are theories and fantasy
@@Dragan-t6w German.. Illyrian.. 😂 😂 Dictionary.. Illyrians not left even one written document... Illyrians was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization Nothing left to the next generations in order to remember them Nothing Mo archeological places No any written documents
The albanian language is not from the Illyrian dialect. The albanian language is a Caucasian language which has turkish, Greek, slavic, and latin words.. The albanians came from the Albanian Caucasian river along with turks after the byzantine period means after the year 1453 and spoke a turkish type language without alphabet and letters
Shouldn't be hard at all to see Illyrian/Albanian deep in antiquity with Greek dieties. Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam. Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish. Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek. Demeter, goddess of harvests. In Albanian it's Dhemiter where dhe= earth and miter= womb/uterus. Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea. Ionian Sea. In Albanian it's called Deti Jon, which literally means Our Sea. Jon = Our in Albanian (Albanian J is pronounced as Y in English, as in You). It's the same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostrum which in Latin also means Our Sea. Coincidence? I don't think so. There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
As about your examples that you wrote i am sure you make joke or in Albania country international etymology dictionary no works.. And you have only for Albanians Etymology.. Is Albanian word.. 😂 😂 😂???
@@GJ-dj4jx my friend you need medical help.. You translate as you want and make etymology.. One more time etymology is Greek word.. Open international etymology dictionary.. To see all these bulshit that you wrote above.. According you ancient Greek is Albanian language?? So you can translate Homer.. 😂 😂 Only this answer me.. If you said me yes.. I will send you any text from iliada.. To translate... Can you do
How can Albanians be real Ilyrians when first record of Albanians is in 13th century and all of Ilyrians were romanised by 4th century. Ilyrians became Romans and 1000 years later Albanians appear.
@@kristijangrgic9841 you do know that the name Albania is a Latin term used to describe us. We call ourselves “shqiptar” and our country “shqiperi”. Again, if you trace the Illyrian language and look into the very few documents written in it, it will come out to Albanian being the closest match. Not a single trustworthy history disagrees with this
@@MilkmanEditsAL ancient Albanians have nothing to do with modern Albanians. Not even name. You are not called Albanoi in your own language. Show me document in which Albanians are first time mentioned. There is none prior to 13th century. Show me if there is
Shame that Illyricvm is not on Netflix while a lot of other Croatian bullshit films are (just because they're either comedies or tell about the war in ex-YU.
only Croats and Serbs are true Illyrians because the Albanians got information about their Illyrian origin only after the wars between the Serbs and them in order to have more rights to the territories
You are from the Caucasus. Genetically and culturally, you are the most similar to them. I don't want to argue with you, but I'm just stating my facts.
@@korda-u7rgenetically we are the same as half of greeks and south serbs. Literally cant tell the two apart. South serbs are assimilated albanians, greeks and albanians are made from the same dough. We have nothing to do with the Caucasus, meanwhile we have surviving documents rhat demonstrate that slavs come from there. There isnt a single mention of albanians or albanoid speaking peoples moving into the balkans. But somehow every other nation is attested (the slavs, the bulgars, the goths, heck even the greeks), this is because the albanian ethnogenesis happened in the balkans from the few surviving tribes in the mountains of the original paleobalkanic peoples. Everything else is just a cope. Doesnt make albanians better doesnt make them worse, but the only logical scientific explanation is this one. You can keep your Belgrade pseudoscience to yourself.
@@korda-u7rthe only truth is that you are true Slavs. You call yourself Slavs and the world calls you Slavs. You got nothing to do with the ancient history of the Illyrian Peninsula. 😅😅😅😅
Albanoi is a Celtic tribe vanquished by illirian tribes..more than 90% of Shqip language is latin..its close to Aromani-Vlach language..Slavic culture derives its origin from Illirian&Macedon culture&tounge..and within the experience of ancient history its like the Etruscan people moved to Apolonia (todays Albania) and the Tosca people also..mind you that the Geg people came from old Albania (Azerbeijan) in the 10thcentury and in the Turkish conquer sided with the Turks&Kurdish people and made the bashibozuk regime on the Balkans(turkish synonim for bloody honey)..
There are a lot illyrian writing but the archologist hide it. In ancient city of apolonia in albania in a kid tomb was writed the words "fimia hiyneron haire" wich is still translatble from albanian today but archoligist in albanian forced themself to read it difrent and make it greek with some words meaningless.
You reallgood in your mind Apollonia is Greek ancient archeological place From illyrians there is no ancient written documents Only bla bla in Albanian kafenio
@@Johnny-pk3iq who told u that!! Wikipedia!?? They are making all illyrian cityes in albania as greek now throw albanian goverment. Albania since 1990 become vasal to greek state and we do what greeks want
@@adrianlacazete6030 my friend.. All universe knlw about illyrians.. 😂 😂 That was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them No archeological places No any written documents.. 😂 😂 😂
@@Johnny-pk3iq just because u dont know that doesent mean there is zero. U dont have idea of ancient cityes we have in albania so take a nap and see dream with greek bullshits
@@adrianlacazete6030 show us one ancient archeological place from illyrians.. Show us one ancient written documents from illyrians.. 😂 😂 😂 😂 And then speak
If world history began in the 8th century AD, perhaps this would be true, but history begins at least 5,000 years earlier! You Serbs are 4,200 years too late.
Maybe elsewhere.Not in the Illyrikum where they faced like barbarians about VI century.There is no archeological ore historical data to conferm.Have serbs fought against romans ore Alexander the Great? Don't be ridiculous.
I was only going to just downvote this comment, but then I thought I would try and find out what's actually going on in your head? Does your comment add anything at all to the discussion about Illyrian language? or are you implying that Albanian has no historical roots? The Albani and the Abroi, considered as proto or early Albanians, were first attested in the 6th century BCE, is that not ancient enough for you?
@@sylvien2599 there is no Proof that the extinct Illyrian language is linked in anyway to modern Albanian. The claim of a direct and continuous linguistic connection between the ancient Illyrian language and modern Albanian is not universally supported by linguists and scholars. the evidence is insufficient to establish a direct evolutionary link. The Illyrian language is poorly attested, primarily through ancient inscriptions, making it difficult to discern its precise linguistic features and relationship to other languages. Additionally, the development of the Albanian language involved significant influences from Latin, Greek, Slavic, and other languages due to the region's history of cultural exchange and conquest. There is no evidence for this bold claim. Relaying on old communist propaganda is not history. You can downvote the truth … now days the truth means very little to people like yourself
@@davidscwimer1974 But your comment merely stated 'no such thing as ancient Albanian', the video is well researched and actually just does a kind of meta analysis of modern, peer reviewed and published research. Your comment added nothing to the discussion. No evidence, no citations just a random and vague comment.
Hi there! What exactly did I say where you seem to have issue? I will just give you a quote from Routledge 'The Indo-European Languages' Second edition - 'Two main theories consider Albanian as a descendant of either Illyrian or Thracian langauges, respectively' and then the author recommends reviewing the work from Matzinger 2009 and 2012. Olander 2016, groups Albanian on the 'Illyric' branch ultimately descending from Paleo-Balkanic - but they stress caution with the label 'Illyric' due to lack of sufficient linguistic data (just as I said in my video). Mallory and Adams in the Encyclopaedia of Indo European (1997) states regarding lexical items 'by far the strongest connectionsncan be argued between Albanian and Illyrian' but again stresses to be conservative with any conclusions. Ultimately, Albanian descended from one of the Balkanic varieties of Indo-European brought to the region by whoever replaced the pre-Indo-European speakers of the region. I think nothing here in my statement is controversial and agrees with many leading names in IE studies, although some will disagree for sure but I try not to present minority views.
@@valentinkulla2381illirian.. 😂 😂 😂 😂 Wad biggest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them No archeological places No any written documents.. Zero big
I have seen the film "Illyricum" . And I have privilege to know prof. Ranko Matasović from days when I was a student of History and Slavistics at University of Zagreb. Also, I have a copy of book "Ancient languages of the Balkans" by prof. Radoslav Katičić. My final thesis at the History department was about origin of Etruscans. About Illyrian language.... Roman writers were making distinctions between "Illyrii propriae dicti" and other nations of "Illyricum" in wider sense, placing "Illyrii propriae dicti" in area of mostly modern Montenegro (Crna Gora = Black Mountain) and to the southernmost part of modern Croatia, making the river Neretva as most northern border of their influence; and to the south only small part of north of modern Albania. Why was that so, and why Romans didn't consider entire area of modern Albania as "Illyricum in sensu stricto", I dont know. It could be that Romans named as "Illyricum propriae dicti" exclusively only that area where specific "Illyrian kingdom" as dynastic tribal state was developed. Romans have entered into conflict with Illyrian kingdom during the 3rd and 2nd century BC, especially because of Illyrian piracy on Adriatic. Namely, illyrians were attacking and plundering ships belonging to the Greek colonies as, for example, those of Issa (modern day island Vis). An arrogant answer received from Illyrian queen Teuta and especially the killing of official Roman envoys were the cause of the war in 229/228 BC. Not only that: after the initial defeat by Romans, Illyrian kingdom started to making anti-Roman alliance with Macedonians during the Second Punic war (218-201), when Hannibal of Carthage had his campaign in Italy (Hannibal ante portas!). This was the cause of final destruction of "Illyrian kingdom"; Ardieii, the leading tribe was resettled from coast and forced to interior. Although, Greeks were using name Illyris for area of modern Albania. It was tribal region with: Penestai living in north (to the east of Penestae nation), and the Taulanti were inhabitants closer to the sea coast, where Greek Doric colonies Epidamnos (Dyrrhachium, modern Albanian city Durres, in Slavic: Drač) and Apollonia were established; to the south of Taulanti were Parauaei and Chaones, already nations belonging to the ancient Epirus, although today in southern Albania.In Greek writers we can read the story how Illyrians attacked city Phoenice in territory of Chaones (in vicinity of island Corcyra /Corfu). In Greek mythology hero Kadmos and his wife Harmonia settled among Chaones. However, we dont know nothing about language of Dalmatae, who were the strongest nation in area to the north of river Neretva; they fought many wars against Romans from 2nd century BC till the last, Batonic war in years 6 to 9 AD.The province of Dalmatia was named after them. And Roman colonia Salonae (at location of modern town Solin) near city Split, was the capital of province Dalmatia. From the river Krka, the northern neighbours of Dalmatae were nation of Liburni in area where today is city Zadar (in antiquity known as Iadera and Diadora). Liburnians also hold all the islands between Zadar and peninsula of Istria. In ancient times, before 6th century BC, Liburni were known to Greeks as a skilful seamen. The only word known from Liburnian language is "Anzotica", the name of Venus/Aphrodita . In film Illyricum that name is mentioned. It is possible that words in Croatian and Serbian language: kiša (rain) and vatra (fire) have pre-Slavic origin, because other Slavic languages for "fire" have "ogień" , ogon, ogan and similar (in Croatian language also exists word "oganj" (archaic), in Kaikavian dialect: ogenj; and rain (in Croatian: kiša) in other Slavic languages is mostly as in Polish: "deszcz" (dešč/dežđ also in Kaikavian and in Slovenian) or archaism "dažd" in shtokavian ... Some linguists consider word "vatra" as derivation from Latin "atrium" with typical prothetic Slavic voice /v/; that word is attested also in Albanian and in Romanian language and what is especially interesting in language of people Lemki (Ruthenians, subdivision of Ukrainians, historical inhabitants of Carpathian mountain region on todays border between Poland and Ukraina); so called "Lemkivske vatri" manifestation (search in internet) ... As it seems, word "vatra" in Romanian has meaning not of fire as it is, but of "fireplace". Intriguing is that in ancient Iranian language of Avesta exists word "athar"; with typical Slavic prothesis /v/ + athar, this could be also source for word "vatra". Also interesting is that in Albanian language is word "mir" meaning "good"; in South Slavic and in Ukrainian "mir" means "peace", and in Russian can also have meaning "world". It would be good thing to compare the lexic (vocabulary) of Slavic languages and of Albanian language and to see all possible borrowed words.
Good post, but the majority of linguists consider 'vatra' a word of Albanian origin. Its different meanings (fireplace, home, house etc.) and dialectal variations should be proof enough.
@@user-kb5py3hm2e It seems to me that "vatra" could not be considered as an Albanian word. Why? because it exists in both Croatian and Serbian shtokavian and today as a standard word in entire central Southslavic area (Serbia, Bosna, Montenegro/Crna Gora/Croatia); also in Romanian language, and what is surprising in language of Lemki people (on border of Poland and Ukraina in Carpathians; because I'm speaker of Croatian and also studied Polish language, when I was listening to the Lemki people language, it seems to me as being between Ukrainian, Polish, but also I recognised some connections to south Slavic languages ... namely, area of Lemki together with people of Boiki (Slovak, Hungarian, Ukrainian border) and Hutsuli (Ukraina and Romania border) is actually region where tribe/protonation of Ukrainian Croats was living during the 9th and 10th century according to the chronicle of Nestor ... So, "vatra" could be considered as word common to the Dinaric-Carpathian region ... (name Balkan is not proper name to use in this situation because the Balkan mountain is in Bulgaria and in Bulgaria as far as I know they don't have this word, neither it exists in other Slavic languages ...
@@krunomrki the fact that it exists in some West Slavic languages as well makes it very complicated but Albanian sound changes (*o- > vo-/va-) are normally very straightforward, that's why I don't think it has been a borrowing. The fact that the word occupies the same semantic field in both Albanian and Romanian indicates a Paleo-balcanic origin in my opinion.
@@user-kb5py3hm2e In modern standard Croatian language word "vatra" has the meaning of "fire", the same as today archaic word "oganj", which is found in all other Slavic languages, as in Polish: ogień. In Kaikavian and Slovenian: ogenj. In other Slavic: ogon, ogan, ohon, etc. We have in Croatian also word in meaning "fireplace": ognjište (it is related usually and traditionally with the house, expanding its meaning metaphorically to the house it self , usually as: old or ancient seat of the family). Besides the word "vatra" and "oganj" we have also word "požar" what means big , open uncontrolled, devastating fire that consumes objects like houses but also forests. (I don't know do you speak Croatian or some other Slavic language.) For example, in Kaikavian "domestic" word is "ogenj" and "vatra" is coming from shtokavian. In chakavian (spoken today in Adriatic islands in Istria and in some part of northern sea coast (primorje around city Rijeka, Vinodol) is form "oganj" ... Chakavian and Kaikavian dialects were in the past, before the Ottoman conquest during the 15th and 16th century, spoken in much larger territory than today (although Kaikavian is internationaly recognised as a language with tradition of written literature from 15th century till today). And shtokavian was penetrating with migrations during Ottoman wars from Bosna and from other regions in the Balkan interior. And "vatra" spread with those migrations. Territory of Croatian state before Ottomans was mostly chakavian and shchakavian (using "ča" and "šća" for "what" while in shtokavian is "što" and often "šta"; in Kaikavian: kaj? Some Croatian poets of 17th century were using the a mixture of all three Croatian dialects, as Fran Krsto Frankopan did.
Shouldn't be hard at all to see Illyrian/Albanian deep in antiquity with Greek dieties.
Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day or morning star.
Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking
Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question.
Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus.
Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea.
Ionian Sea. Albanian Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = our. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean, Mare Nostum (our sea)
There are so many more just the more obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
There actually is a whole paragraph in mesapic on stone writing in puglia Italy and is easily recognisable as Albanian. It also provides evidence of mesapic contribution to Latin/Italian.
Brilliant video. So, am I correct in my understanding that you more or less think Albanian should be considered it's descendant?
The evidence is extremely limited so we have to bear that in mind but put it this way, if someone asked me for some reason to recreate a sentence in Illyrian - I'd do exactly what Matasovic did and base it on Albanian.
@@LearnHittite I lean this way myself. It also used to be widely thought that Albanian descended from Thracian, but, not sure how much of a thing that still is. Anyway, excellent work, thank you.
First fix map and then greek population never existed in balkan. All balkan were illyria
@@historyofillyria2737First learn history!😂
@@davidaxelos4678he’s right tell me why Greece people looks like Turks?
...Neacșu's Letter (Scrisoarea lui Neacșu de la Câmpulung) from 1521 is formally considered the first known written document in Romanian. ..Romanian and Albanian are two close languages and it is interesting that the oldest records in those languages appeared at the same time.
no. They arent close at all. Nor is the albanian language so young
@@MilkmanEditsALthis is wrong. you have whole sentences same in romanian and in albanian.
for example: ' punt ma e nalt'
@@adrianog4148 that’s not even Albanian🤣🤣
@@adrianog4148 “punt” and “nalt” aren’t even words in the Albanian vocabulary
@@MilkmanEditsAL you are not albanian, nor romanian. otherwise you would understand that sentence.
please translate.
This is brilliant! Regarding the word “dhünoti” at 11:10, it seems very similar to the word “Dhunti” in modern Albanian, which sort of means talent, or a natural skill that is “given” to someone.
Illyrian, Thracian, Scythian...seems like all three are claimed by various modern nation-states as ancestors. But how can we be sure?
We can't be sure, at least in the case of Illyrian
@@LearnHittiteyeah right😂 how come only Albanians always clame that are the Illyrians and nobody has an idea where we come from. Did we just fall from the sky one night or were we there before all others 😂
@@LearnHittitemate we literally have LESS evidence about the other languages
@@user-kb5py3hm2e There is evidence. Just google "Illyrian Personal Anthroponyms" for scientific proof, but it doesnt fit mainstream and Albanian history so people dont wanna talk about it.
@@LearnHittite illyrian hat plis/pileus was on roman coins. today says nothing more albanian than this white hat. illyrians were well known in roman empire. everything else is slavic propaganda.
Lots of politics entered into the Illyrian question. When I lived in Trieste in the 1950s my school friends used to call me "Illyrico" after telling them that my ancestors hailed from the Serbian land of Montenegro. Later, when I went to university one of my professor postulated that we only have sources that they existed in the Balkans and fused with others as migrations shifted, but we have no evidence of their written or spoken language and if it is a "lesser-known Indo-European language", then it can only be closer to old Romanian (Cici, a Vlah people living near Trieste) with many Latin and Slavic words in the mix.
Nephilim it means the begining you all have it written in each bible including 40 saints with Albanian origin
Not only Nefillim = In the Begining in Albanian.
Bereshit, or Genesis, where Beresit = The Making in Albanian.
Hyll, in Isaiah, which was translated as Lucifer. In Albanian Hyll= Star. The passage says if I remember correctly "Oh Hyll of the morning how low you have fallen."
Urim and Thumim. Albanian Urim = Blessing, and Thumim Geg Dialect or Thumbim, literary = Sting.
But even Genesis, in Albanian Gjenesa, where Gje = things/matter, and Nisa= Start. Basically the beginning of creation.
Albanian is a goldmine kept hidden in plain site. Those Pelasgians must have traveled a lot.
Serbian nationalist arguments are pathetic, especially when considering the recent DNA studies that clearly show a local Balkan origin for the Albanians, vs the Slavs that nobody in academia doubts came into the Balkans for the first time in the 7th century.
"The first certain Slavic raids date to the early 6th century during the time of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justin I (r. 518-527), coinciding with the end of the Vitalian revolt of 511-518.[8] Procopius recorded that in 518 a large army of the Antae, "who dwell close to the Sclaveni", crossed the Danube River into Roman territory"
@@LobotimirMerkanski ok, 6th not 7th. Raiders and invaders. Not Illyrians, not Thracian, not Greek. Outsiders
Albanians cant be Illyrians. Illyrians was great sailors and accused for piracy at the sea... Albanians on the other hand never were and on top of that doesnt have a single naval word of Albanian origin...
@@Annatar I could agree with you on the genetic aspect of the Balkan origin but the aspect i find pathetic in the Albanian national arguments is equalizing Illyrians and Albanians in would be same as if the Serbs were to equalize Serbs and Slavs, or Germans claiming all Germanic lands. and are using these terms like Not native-Invaders, raiders for people who have been living in the area for 1400 years. the reality is even if you are descendant from Illyrians you have no idea which tribe would it be or even if it is strictly the Illyrians and not Thracians. because there is no direct historic connection between Albanians and any of the Balkan people. That's why Albanians claiming Illyrian lands has the same basis as Albanians claiming Indo-European lands the only difference is proximity and time the argument is the same.
And if genetics are relevant for the claim its quite obvious that Slavs assimilated many native tribes as reflected in the south Slavic DNA, so what are we doing now measuring the average representation of the of haplogroups in general population to validate land claims? Such arguments are beyond pathetic and ridiculous.
@@LobotimirMerkanskitypical lier
Refer to Leibniz for albanian language
Also the latest publication in Science journal which qualifies albanian, together with helenic and armenian languages, as more than 8000 years
Only difference is that what's called Greek today has very little to do with ancient Greek. It developed in Macedonian colonies in Asia and Africa and was not spoken in Greece until it was forced on the population through force replacing the native language which was Tosk Albanian.
bro what are you talking about Indo-European is only like 5000 years old. Any linguist will tell you it is IMPOSSIBLE to study a language older than 7000 years ago
@@milic5068 u istrazivanju origine indo-evropianslih jezika nisu ucestvovali samo lingvisti nego i geneticari, antropolozi, isoricari, i drugi i to ne iz jedne drzave nego sa nekolicine od njih, od kanada preko evrope do australije. Njih 27-ro mislim. Journal science 2023 godine.
Jos nesto, begradski universitet u saradnji (mislom sa harvadskim) uradili su studiju (2023) o genetici balkanskih naroda i pogledejate ko su etnicki starosedeoci balkana a ko su dosljavi.
@@GJ-dj4jx no. As a Greek I can assure you that modern Greek uses the exact same vocabulary with ancient Greek (Attic and Koine). I can easily prove this to you. Give me any ancient Greek text, from Homer, Herodotus, etc, you name it, and I will tell you in English what is says. Also I will show you that nearly 100% of the "ancient" words are used today by Greeks. I really want to know your source when you say "the native language was Tosk Albanian". What do you mean by that? It is true that we had a large Arvanite population, nearly 15% or even 20% of the total population in the 1800s, but Albanian the native language?? How??
The reason why Illyrian is connected with Venetian is Alfoldy. He was the first to try to theorize how the inhabitants of Illyricum spoke, and given the lack of records, he studied personal names from the 1st century in the Roman province of Dalmatia (southern half of Illyricum). Among other things, he found 2 Venetian names in the north of Liburnia and first concluded that the Liburni were close to the Veneti, and then others immediately applied it to the whole of Illyricum, considering the Liburni as one of the Illyrians. Subsequently, when other scientists made a more detailed study and included toponyms in consideration, the categorization changed. The Liburnians have nothing to do with the Veneti, but they are not Illyrians either. In that film, a Liburnian person speaks "Illyrian", it's a big mistake. Liburnian should be at least one I-E migration older than the others in Illyricum. Centumization is obvious with personal names and toponyms from these studies so it was easy to relate Illyrian to Centum group.
Messapic is the result of the migration of the Proto-Illyrians, not the Illyrians, that migration happened at the end of the Bronze Age and was not the only one of its kind, Iapodes also crossed the Adriatic, the Siculi too (500 years later they would move from Italy to Sicily and give it its current name). The languages and cultures of the Illyrii, Delamate, Panoni were then only emerging at the beginning of the Iron Age, while the Liburnians made their way from the Bronze to the Iron with an older speech - due to their geographical location, they were bypassed by the stratification of the population with new arrivals from the I-E migration 3,300 years ago. In short, Illyrian and Messapic share a source and were probably in contact at the beginning or the 1st part of the Iron Age. Since the middle of the Iron Age, the situation was changing on the Adriatic but also on the Apennines, and the connections between the two coasts weakened.
This is Albanian as well.
DIA O E CILIT DONI. VLERA STELE SHPORR. MOS ÇONI VLERAT NCOPTIMA.
It's in your London museum. Go see it. Written by CAR JELE ( JULIUS CESAR ) and my grandfather's words. Left by QORR ILIAZI ( BLIND ILIAD ), go see it ? And get back to me
Ok!
Do you know anything about Hurrian?
A video on Hurrian will appear in the first week of the new year!
Sir , i like your videos really much. Could you consider making a video on the also mysterious Thracian or ancient Macedonian language ❤
Thracian will be the second video in the new year! Expect it towards the end of January.
@@LearnHittite thanks for your work sir. I will tell my friends about this channel.
Thank you very much for your support!
Last year prof. Matasovic was invited in the The 41st International Seminar on the Albanian Language, Literature and Culture organized by the University of Prishtina to hold a lecture on this topic. He participated online and did a presentation called "Reimagining Illyrian". I wasn't able to go to Prishtina and listen to what he said but i wrote him an email and he kindly sent me the Power Point presentation. Of course a ppt presentation is only a shadow of a lecture but still it was kind of him to respond. I haven't seen the film yet, but i saw some interviews from a few albanian actors who were in the project, and who claimed to have been an interesting experience.
Albanian nationalists claim that certain words in Homer’s Iliad have Albanian roots as part of a broader narrative to assert the ancient origins of the Albanian language and link it to the Illyrians, who they considered the ancestors of Albanians. These claims often suggest that traces of the Albanian language, appear in ancient Greek texts, thereby emphasizing a long-standing historical presence in the Balkans. However, mainstream linguistic scholarship dismisses these claims as linguistically unfounded, noting that any perceived similarities between Albanian and Greek words are coincidental and lack historical or linguistic context. Additionally, the Iliad was composed centuries before the development of the Albanian language, and no credible evidence suggests a connection between ancient Greek and Albanian in this regard. This type of claim is typically part of nationalistic revisionism, aimed at establishing a deep-rooted historical continuity for modern Albanian identity.😂
Hahahaha hahahaha hahah
Some peoples in the Balkans try to add certain Greek flavour in their culture to make it appear somehow more historic and appealling.
Some peoples in the Balkans try to add certain Greek flavour in their culture to make it appear somehow more historic and prestigious..
Albanian language is of no significance in the world linguistic science being poor , of limited to zero productive in the world literature .. Albanian "invented" an alphabet just in 1908... before that date no written culture !!! like Aboriginals .!!
Very true. Albanians are notorious for historical revisionism
Thanks for the video! It seems like things are more or less about where they were when I was in college back around the year 2000 (although I was an Engineering major, so probably not the best position to know the latest and greatest in Indo-European studies).
Regardless, these ancient minority languages which are scarcely attested are a dime a dozen, and Illyrian is one of the more important ones (for example, the languages of the Sea Peoples are even more of a mystery).
I guess that save for a sudden discovery of a cache of Illyrian texts, this is where the state of the art will remain for the foreseeable future...
Is it true that the Ladinians in Central Europe come from the Illyrians too?
Deny it all you can, the real Illyrians are the Albanians. MESAPIK MES A PIK IN ALBANIAN MEANS MIDDLE or peak.
Hahaahaha
There is still an area near Albanian Adriatic coast right across Italy call Mesapik. You can google it. In Albanian 'mes' means 'middle'.
You also have Messina, a city in Italy right in the middle of the small strip of land that connects Italy to Sicily.
Illyrian Is The 'Old' Albanian Language!
Show us one ancient written documents.. Only one
@@Johnny-pk3iq en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapic_language
@@PlisChroniclerAL my friend.. This is only theory.. If you understand word theory.. Which is Greek word.. 😂 😂
Show us something acceptable from all civilization countries.. 😂 😂
@@PlisChroniclerAL
Or show us one archeological place in Albania that belongs to illyrian.. Only one
😂 😂 😂 😂.. Sorry Billys. Was half and half.. Other????
@@PlisChroniclerAL just the coins that fought in bil3was in clear Greek
Fantastic video!
Glad you liked it!
Well since the DNA science is now available there is going to be more work done in Albania and Kosova with old bones and new digs.
Do you believe in dna science what if is wrong i never did dna I’m afraid if show up only 1% not illiryan i will end my life 😂
@@ZOTIMETROJETTONA DNA science is a breakthrough that shows that we are all a mix like a minestrone soup.I have watched many people’s DNA results and what it shows is history.
Where my family is from in what is today Montenegro the government will not allow Albanian archaeology teams to come and investigate.
@@NS-mz8gq ye it’s true I will buy a dna test I want check results my heart blood saying I’m illiryan let’s see if dna saying that too
@@Metanoia000 Don’t worry,the worst thing that happened to the invented history is DNA science and now we are at the early stage.The so called Balkan DNA has 18% Albanian haplogroup.So we have to invest in our own land and do our own investigation because if you listen to them we come from Asia but when you test our DNA we are similar to Greeks and Italians which means they lie to themselves.
Bardhyll king have 100% translate bardh-white yll-star whitestar
How can you be 100% sure? Firstly the Greeks write it down as either Bardylis or Bardulis, not Bardhyll. There is an alternative explanation. We can start with the PIE root *wor which means 'to watch over' 'protect'. Balto-Slavic languages had the sound change *o to *a - *war. We add the ending -da (words like pravda, krivda, vražda) and get *warda/*varda which would mean something like protection. To that we add the suffix -ul which was used in making names (example Radul from 'rad') and you get Wardul/Vardul meaning 'protector' 'defender'. That would basically be the same name as Alexander, Alexius or Slavic names like Branko. The Greeks wrote B instead of the /w/ or /v/ sounds they did not have and added their grammatical ending -is so they wrote it down as Bardulis.
@@LudwigWhitby
what are you talking of ?
Bardh Yll ->. White Star
Albanian believed in the Sun, Stars before the christianity cames to our region.
we where PAGAN, lived with the nature
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@@beratmaliqi5445 How do you know Bardulis is Bardhyll?
@@LudwigWhitby
there is no similarities with another language. it make sense in Albanian. Bardh Yll-> white star
Albanian and greek is one of the oldest language in Europe ( still spoken)
@@beratmaliqi5445 There are with Balto-Slavic languages. Bardylis can be Vardul - meaning 'protector' Furthermore, languages change and you have to use Illyrian or some sort of pre-proto Albanian and not modern day Albanian. Nobody in the ancient world spoke the language that you speak.
Are scythian some like Illyrians? Did they live with Illyrians? Can someone explain?
@@pubgm_zenga Pan- Illyrianism, that's where it's at. The Pelasgians were the original Arians and spread the language/culture which was kept as pure as it can be in the Albanian mountains, and especially by the Dardanians, who had colonies such as Troy and never got fully subjugated.
messapians were settlers from today korça in albania.
thats a fact.
Messapians are from chaonians, liburnians and Taulantii
@@Trontotario ruclips.net/video/9absSZJmCAo/видео.htmlsi=qSfescmRMabnNl3C
The population of Balkan is almost genetically same language on different places have evolved
A N A is a pure goddess for the indoaryan tribes.
2:57 source?
The Albanian language has a strong resemblance to the Messapic language,Illyrian or not,it has ancient roots and its attested early.On the other hand there is absolutely no proof that the irish and scottish people descended from celts,as there is no recorded celtic migration in these lands,the celts were propably primitive tribes which spoke different languages and went extinct.But also the Illyrian ethnonym is wrong,because in these lands there were organised Kindoms such the Ardiaean Kingdom,the Kingdom of the Dardanians,and the Kingdom of the Taulantians,no such thing as" Illyrians" they were called Illyrians by others.The film Illyricum do not illustrate the true culture of these people, and portrays them as uncivillised as the celts or the germanics,and mind you the terms "celts" and "germanics" are not correct as we do not know how these tribesmen called themselves
Are you serious? All of England was Celtic before AngloSaxon invasions and so was most of Europe. Celts even invaded south all the way to Greece which is attested by historians before they were defeated and returned north. Where is Albanian language ever attested?
@@fallenstate5933 All England were celltic,since when?there is no recorded celtic migration there.And Albanian is closely related to Messapian language .And "celts" is an exonym that other people gave to these probably unrelated tribes....
@@DimitrisDim-n4p You will find the influence of Celts and Celtic languages in England in Wales and Ireland very much so. Yes there is recorded celtic migration to England before the AngloSaxons moved there from todays Denmark(because they were Scandinavian tribes). It's an interesting theory that Albanian is related to Messapian with no conclusive evidence though. If it were, how is it possible Albanian never got an alphabet? The whole of Europe used an alphabet, for gods sake even the barbarian Slavs got educated and given an alphabet
@@fallenstate5933 Acording to your logic even the Romans got no alphabet also,because they adapted a form of the Greek one which in turn propbly derived from the Phoenician one,now the Athenians also got no alphabet?The Messapians used the Greek one,and the whole of Europe uses the Latin,except Greece and some Slavic countries which use the Cyrillic, of course Albanians use the Latin one since the early Albanians were well integrated in the Roman society and the nobles communicated in writen forms with Latin and later on the high middle ages that changed to Attic Greek.On the other hand how can you prove that Britain and Ireland was Celtic,the Celtic theory invented in the 18th century,none of those people called themselves celts before,and even the Roman's called the tribes of Scotland "Picts" and "Calledonians"in the 3rd century, were on earth do you see Celts?Ireland in those times was unexplored territory, since nothing new nothing about it.Plus Slavs were not barbarians because it's a fact they descent from Scythians and Sarmatians,sophisticated peoples which recorded in lands which Slavs appeared...
@user-xk4ug5du5z - Illiria is the name for all the Tribes. Messapic is an illiran Tribe so are the Etruscans and lots more tribes ✌️
10:45 Deu a dai sounds to me like Dheu a dai, meaning Earth is heroic/noble. Or read back to front Dai i dheut, meaning ~Hero of Earth, or earthen hero.
Dai is also pretty archaic and mostly used as an adjective nowadays, not as a name in itself. Dai also sounds like Dhi-a to me, meaning goat.
Never heard dai
Bardylis (“Bardhyll” in modern Albanian language meaning “White-Star”) was king of the Illyrians during 393-358 B.C.E. He was born around 448 B.C.E. as a member of the Illyrian tribe of the Enchelei. The Enchelei inhabited primarily the area around lake Lychnidus (Ohrid).
11:12 “dhunoti” … Alb. “tundi” (tunëdi?) = “he shook”
Illyrian language was a Greek dialect without letters
ancient greeks themselves said they spoke a different language from their own
@@darladallddoria143 I agree about the possibility that Illyrian, Albanian and Ancient Greek might have been dialects of the same language. It explains why Greece was mostly Albanian until they whiped it out and introduced a technical Greek version no one spoke and everyone was forced to learn it. But the letters are not coming from Greece, they were used way before.
@@GJ-dj4jx the letters are by the Greeks...
The latin alphabet is the ancient Greek Alphabet from the ancient Greek island Ευβοια, but with two letters Y and Z from the ancient Greek Attic Alphabet...
The official alphabet in Greece is the " ΑΤΤΙΚΟΝ - Αttic"
@@GJ-dj4jx No,,, The Greece was Not albanian because the Greeks are not turk-albanians..
The Greeks have not caucasian turk - albanian dna.
,, you don't know about the Greek Language, so you don't know that the Greek Language is The same Language from the ancient Greek period, before 10000 years..
The Greeks speak the same Language from the ancient Greek period..
The turk-albanians came from the abanian caucasian river along with turks after the Greek Byzantine Empire means after the year 1453 and spoke a turkish type caucasian language without alphabet and letters..
The turk-albanian language today has mainly turk-caucasians words, slavic words, Greek words and latin words..
The Greek Language is Not a version and the last 10000 years has the same Greek words and Alphabet..
The Greeks from the ancient Greek period they spoke and speek only the Greek Language
@@darladallddoria143 You don't even deserve a reply because you're obviously an ignorant troll.
But anyways, what is Greece now was mostly Albanian and many of the so called Greek mythological figures make sense in Albanian not in Greek. So Albanians were probably there way before ;)
Here are just a few obvious examples:
Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam.
Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish.
Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek.
Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus.
Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea.
Ionian Sea. Albanian = Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = Our in Alb. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostum (Our Sea)
There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
Only Albanians use names Like Agron, Liburn, Dardan, Ilirë, Teuta So there is no doubt that Albanians are descendents of Ilirians
Nationalist sentiment leads people to name their children in a way which fits their narrative even if there's no cultural or historic basis in doing so. None of those names were used in the past.
Indeed we are , and its only matter of time now for the truth to come out for what it is , the greek propaganda its coming to an end preatty fast.
@@iliadmalka you speak of truth ? But you have no proof … I can show you Ancient Greek can you show me ancient Albanian ?
@@davidscwimer1974 proof !!? Well if language its not enaugh for you ( by the way its the only language in which all those proofs u have of about greeks make sense ) just wait , time will give u tons of proofs . Untill than i wish u well.
@@iliadmalka time 😂 this theory has been around since the communist era in Albania! How much time do you need ?
👍👍👍 Interesting!!
Look, a million leke is not that high of an amount, it goes about less than 10 thousand EUR.
It's so simple it's pre Albanian pelazgian related language so it's Albanian original
Pelasgians are by ancient Greek writers related with Tyrsenians/Tyrrhenians ... in northern Aegean Khalkhidike peninsula, with Pelasgiotis region of ancient Thessalia and with not far from Thessaly Dodona in Epirus ... also, Pelasgians and Tyrrhenians are mentioned as inhabitants of island Lemnos in northern Aegean ... in Odyssey Pelasgians are mentioned as one group of inhabitants of island Crete ... Herodotus mentioned Pelasgians in a few cities in Propontis (Marmera sea) ...
‘Pelasgians’ were non Indo European.
It’s funny how nobody has been able to prove the Albanian Illyrian theory properly … everything is just conjecture
@davidscwimer1974- The word
Illirian Is Albanian - that means
Free or Some spell it Ylliri -in Albanian that mean Youngstar !!
What more proof do u want !?
@@UnlimitedAspirations24 how are you using modern Albanian written in an Italian alphabet to find a meaning of a word that was coined by the Greeks and then the romans 😂wake up 🔝
@@davidscwimer1974 How were these words coined?Whats their etymology. An example please.If possible the etymology of the greek word FISIS and the latin NATURAE.Thank you.
@@pranveraohri1204
Etymology:
The name “Illyrian” is derived from “Illyrii,” which was the name used by the ancient Greeks and Romans to describe the people living in this region. It is not a modern Albanian name 😂
Show me how you come to the conclusion of what it means using modern Albanian … I love those !
@@davidscwimer1974david stop hating accept the truth u look like 8 years old kid man come on little boy 😂
Very informative greek language lessons, can we have more of the same?
elaborate pls
clown
Albanian-English
LiBur-born men or brave
SiLeUc-born as a Wolf
Shkodra or Kodra-Hill
Ilir or Ilyr-Free or Painted (men)
AgRon- leader live
Un-Me
Ujë-Water
Dora-Hand
Syri-Eye
Gishti-Finger
Guha-Tong
Hunda-Nose
Le Li or Lind -Birth Born
Goja Goia-Mouth
Thoni Thut -Nail Nails
Hena Hona-Moon
Ylli or Hyli -Star
Dielli ,Dilli -Sun
Zot-God
Za ,Zani -Voice
Zë,Zeri-Voice
To be continued
Continue
And call ambulance.. 😂 😂
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Hello from Iliricum Islands 🇦🇱⚜️🇽🇰💀✝️☦️☪️ autochthon, Kingdom‘s Illyria🇦🇱 and Dardania🇽🇰!
Autochthon is Albania word????
Excellent.
Do you have a photo of the ring? You say that the interpretation by Ognenova is forced but the other one isn't?
It is even more forced. It just needs imaginary deities, a loan from Greek etc.
IC was used by Christians for Jesus. X IC could possibly have been used for Χριστός Ιησούς (Christ Jesus).
I would like to see a photo though to have an opinion.
Should I or should I not?😂😂😂
I think people far to much concentrate on descending theories. Almost like it would be impossible for a language to be born aside from dialectal and chronological spread.
But language hybridization and creoles are a thing!
Not to mention, that the further back we go, we expect the languages should become more similar.
If now a proto Ilyrian word in the balkans, has similarities to a proto Celtic word in Irland, then these two words dont mean that they are descendents of each other.
Km pretty sure Ilyrian is also considered a IE language, so similarities to other IE languages should be expected, and unless we can reliably reconstruct the proces of one word entering another language, we can not simply imply a heritage.
Lets just further ignore that the eastward expandi celts surely had contact with Ilyrians and it also coud be a loan the other way around. None the less, it remains speculative.
Сербы або Сорабы, або Венды, як нас называў Германі. А горад Вена паходзіць ад слова Венд, якім называлі сербаў.
I wish I can help you but tru archeological research will prove the truth
What about Albanian’ connection with Romanian?
Do you think proto-Albanian originated further north than modern Albania? Were proto Albanians neighbors with proto greeks?
according to albanian dictionary channel the Illyrian and Hellenic language were one and the same. however, it was not one language but rather a group of more than a dozen dialects some non intelligible with each other. For this reason we have the dictionary of Hesychius which you referenced in your presentation. the Helens did not understand many of the iylyrian words that were in their ancient texts, thats why they created the dictionary in alexandria. also albanian language cannot be explained by toponims because o more then 30 invasions throughtout history and names which each culture has left behind. there are many other arguments that the researcher brings out
There ate ancient text or writing documents from illyrians..
??????
@@tony232cool I tend to agree. Many dialects/languages like Illyrian ones all coming from same proto Greek and Albanian. It would explain why so many ancient dieties being in Albanian, like Aphrodite, or Aferdite in Alb. In Alb 'afer' means near and 'dite' means day. Near DayBasically the Morning star, Venus, the planet. There are so many more, but we get the idea.
@@Johnny-pk3iq many many text but especially the coins which albanin dictionary has mention in some of the videos, all of them have the insignia koinon... however primarly it is supported on the gramar syntax and verb tenses and name declensions. verb tenses are identical in albainan as in hellenic not similiar but identical. all verbs not some all of them whic means albania ia direct descentant of illyro hellenic ancient language. greek is a reconstructed language of the 4th centy ac based in the only surving dialect of the time the greikos
@@tony232cool show us something ot one text from illyrians.. Only one please and left your poem who learn from hotza.. Show us one.. And coins in Billys.. Are in clear Greek.. 😂 😂 😂 100%%
It’s probably closer to a Greek dialect then any other language
I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that the Greeks knew and wrote more then anyone else about the Illyrians
What a strange little comment. It's not a dialect of Greek but a sister language.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 greks
Kings and queen names only albania has these names ilir teuta agron bardhyl genti
A lot of modern Greeks(Arvanites) have Albanian ancestry, and the modern Greek language is constructed with a lot of Albanian elements in it. Most likely the ancient Greeks were part Illyrians as well, the Dorians for example, associated with the words Dru- ( wood, woodland, etc. ), Dor- (hand, to give etc. ) and the -ian(they are). Illyrian/Yllirian/Hellenes/Ellines --very similar words and meanings, probably different variants.
Greci 😂😂😂😂😂stato religioso creato dal inglesi tedeschi francesi ed russi 😂😂😂😂😂😂
....The linguists Stefan Schumacher and Joachim Matzinger (University of Vienna) assert that the first literary records of Albanian date from the 16th century. The oldest known Albanian printed book, Meshari, or "missal", was written in 1555 by Gjon Buzuku, a Roman Catholic cleric......
If the Albanian language is so old, why are there no written documents in that language in 1500 years. Illyrians have haplogroup I2, which is dominant among the people of the former Yugoslavia (Dinarians), while this haplogroup is negligible among Albanians.
I2a is Ukrainian/sclaveni. It originates from the Danube.
I see Greek resemblance. The analysis of the Illyrian is so off. Ana = Nene?
Languages develop over time, proto albanian it’s nana just drop the n
IN Gheg dialect is Nana. But we also use Ama for mother.
@@GJ-dj4jx Exactly! Illyrian is called Matera.
The language of Illiriians, Paianians and Thracians was based on Greek by more than 50%. Thats a fact.
What this proves is that there's not enough evidence to concluded anything about Illyrian language. We have to have some interdisciplinary studies going
Agreed!
@@LearnHittite I think the people that make mistake is if a leanguage have been writen very late in History this doesent mean that a leanguage was not spoken before
We must know the difference of Spoken Leanguage and Writen Leanguage am I right
@@vigisisisiif there is no ancient written documents.. Wr can created a new language and we said that is new.. 😂 😂
Latin alphabet
30 % latin words
20.000 greek words special in high level speaking education
. And is old????
@@Johnny-pk3iq You didnt Understand I sayed if a leanguage was writen very late in history this doesent mean that leanguage was not spoken before it was writen
@@Johnny-pk3iq Lets take an example a Person from the day he born till the day he died he didnt go to school he didnt know to write and read and how he learned to speak and comunicate with peoples that he meets all his life till the day he died
If you take the Slavic out of the equation, in the once called Illyrian peninsula, you are left with a bunch of Illyrian-Thracian-Dardanian tribes, that in reality are the same people, with the same language but in dialects. Because that in modern times we have many countries, all pretending to be native to the land, of course you are going to have mysteries like this. But the ancient Balkans was all Albanian. They traveled and fought so far, from India to Africa and Great Britain. This is the one thing that modern historians can't swallow.
Albanian dreams 😂
The knew that's the case that's why there was a good number of linguists that believed in Pan- Illyria. But for political reasons modern linguists ignores the evidence.
@@GJ-dj4jx Only albanian nationalists
@@ellinmakedon1216NORTHmazedonia alexandrowski velikovski 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Albanians through propaganda like in this video try desperately to convince themselves and others that they have not been goat growers only but that they do have some history as nation. Albanians do not appear in any significant historic event during last 3000 years and the Albanian language is poor in diction and of miserable sound , being without alphabet until 1908 !!!! .
Nënë
@christopherellis2663 - That is Albanian so the word NANA that everyone uses for grandma in states is NOT Italian it IS ALBANIAN!
So NËNË / NANË/ = NANA means mom in ALBANIAN ✌️
Nënë Teresa @@UnlimitedAspirations24
Ment Albanian
Can anyone provide linguistical proofs that will counter the fact that only through obvious Albanian linguistic connection we can relate the meanings of Thraco-Illyrian personal names, name of tribal communities and regions which prove that Albanian language and ethnos is the only survivor of Thraco-Illyrian Branch (Balkan Indo-European) of Indo-European language family and descendants of the last unified small isolated linguistic Thraco-Illyrian dialects fused in some sort of last linguistical and cultural effort to survive in form of partially or weakly Latin influenced Thraco-Illyrian creole and last cultural remnants of Thraco-lllyrian culture in the age of intense linguistical and cultural Latinisation and Hellenisation.
-Liburni (alb. Lumbron = navigate / Lundron = sail or 'Liburnët' i.e. Sailing/Navigating-people),
-Pirustae (alb. Prrush = ore/coal or 'Prrushtarët' i.e. Mining people),
-Sciritari (alb. Shkretë = Wilderness or 'Shkretarët' i.e. Wildernes dwelling-people, there's still existing Gheg Albanian tribe named 'Shkreta' or 'Shkreti'),
-Dalmatae (alb. Delmë = Sheep or 'Delmatët' i.e. Sheep-herding people),
-Dasaretae (alb. Dash = Ram or 'Dasharetët' i.e. Ram-like or Ram-herding people),
-Amantes (alb. Amë =River bed or 'Amantët' i.e. Along river-beds dwelling people),
-Bylliones (alb. Bullë = Oxen or 'Bullonët' i.e. Oxen-herding people),
-Dindari (alb. Dhenë = Goat / 'Dhindarët' i.e. Goat-like or Goat-herding people),
-Enchelei (Ngjala = Eel or 'Ngjalenët' i.e. Eel-herding or Eel-fishing people),
-Labeates (Lap/Lepur = Rabbit i.e. Rabbit-hunting, Rabbit-like or Rabbit-herding people, there's still Tosk Abanian subgroup of 'Labë' and ethnological regions in Albania called 'Labëria' and in Kosovo called 'Lapi'),
-Derretini and Derroi (alb. Derr =Pig or 'Derronët' i.e. Pig-herding people),
-Barridustae (alb. Bari = Shepherd or 'Bardushët' i.e. Shepherd-people),
-Taulanti (alb. Tallëndyshe/Dallëndyshe = Swallow bird or 'Tallandët' i.e. Swallow bird-like people or Swallow-like migrating Transhumance-people),
-Glintidiones (alb. Gdhend = Wood-engarving or 'Gdhendtonët' i.e. Wood-engarving, wood-cutting people or Woodcraft people),
-Lopsi (alb. Lopë = Cow or 'Lopsët' i e. Cow herding-peoples),
■-Dardani (alb. Dardhë = Pear or 'Dardhanët' i.e. Pear-like or Pear farming-people, which also perfectly explain the Slavic translation of the name of the town of Kruševac (Peartown) in present-day central Serbia which is the suposed location of ancient Dardanopolis),
●-Galabri/Kalabri
(alb. Kalë = Horse or 'Kalabrët' i.e. Horse-herding people),
●-Thunatae/Thunaki (alb. Thuna = Cornel or 'Thunakët' i.e. Cornel bush-dwelling people or cornel farming people).
-Illyri (alb. "I lirë"= Free or Yll =Star, same meaning as:
'Free people' or 'Freedom loving people' and 'Stars-worshiping people),
-Albanoi/Arbanoi
(alb. Arbër or Arbëria oldest endonym of Albanians)
-Bato (alb. Bac/Bats = Title of Most prominent shepherd-king and most fearsome warrior in some tribe),
-Burrebista (alb. Burrë =Man Bishë = Beast i.e. Beast Man or title given to most fearsome warrior or Burrë=Man + Bisht =hair tail i.e. Hair tail man, usualy most prominent warriors had distinctive hair tails style, especially among Illyrian, Thracian, Dacian, Celtic and Germanic tribes, even one century ago many hair tails styles were used among Gheg Albanian tribal warriors to be distingushed from one another),
-Decebalus
(alb. Dhjetë-ballë i.e. Ballë =Handle i.e. (Strong) or Handling as ten man)...etc.
-Bardylis (alb. Bardh = White +Yll = Star = Whitestar)
-Teuta
(alb. Tuta = Fear i.e. title of most prominent and most fearsome women warrior)
-Dimale (alb. Dy =Two + Male =Mountains i.e. 'Dymale' or Between two mountains),
-Lissos {Lezha}
(alb. Lis = Oak)
-Birmizium {Podgorica}
(alb. Bir =Hole or Walley + Zi =Black i.e Black walley),
-Brindizi {Brindisi}
(alb. Brin/Brind = Horn + Zi = Black i.e. Black horn, which perfetcly fits the explanation due the fact that town's natural port is in shape of horn),
-Scodra {Shkodra}
(alb. Shkëmb=Rocky + Kodër=hill i.e. Rocky hill),
-Ulqin {Ulcinj}
(alb. Ujk =Wolf),
-Epirus
(alb. Epër/Epëri = Upperland or Highland),
-Molossia
(alb. Malësia = Mountain massif),
-Chaonia/Chaomia (corresponds with Albanian-populated region called 'Çamëria' and Tosk Albanian subgroup of Çamë in Epirus),
-Hum, an old name of the region of Herzegovina
(alb. 'Humë' or Humnerë = Abys, Gulf, Chasm)
-Lika, name of the region in Croatia (alb. 'Likë' or Lajkë = Flat highland)
-Trogir, (alb. Tre = Three + Gurrë = Rock i.e. 'Trigur' or Between three rocks, perfectly fits the explanation as town of Trogir in Dalmatia is located between three rocks).
-Apulia/Puglia, region at the 'heel' of the Italian peninsula (alb. Pulë = Fowl or Poultry, its located at the exact opposite coastline from the ethnographic region in Albania called 'Pulat')
...etc.
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Albanoi (Arbanoi) were an Illyrian tribe. They were possibly first mentioned by Hecataeus of Miletus (550-476 BCE) under the name 'Abroi'. ClaudiusPtolemy (100-170 CE) is the first author who mentions them under the name 'Albanoi'. Their central settlement was called Albanopolis and was located roughly between the Mat and Shkumbin rivers, in present-day central Albania. The archaeological site of Zgërdhesh near town of Krujë has been identified as the likely location of Albanopolis.
Stephanus of Byzantium who reproduced Hecataeus added an entry for another settlement named 'Arbon' in Illyria whose inhabitants were called 'Arbonioi' or 'Arbonites'. Another Arbon was recorded by Polybius. John of Nikiû wrote in the 7th century CE about a people known as 'Arbanitai' in the Greek translation of the manuscript.
In the Middle Ages, the names 'Albanoi' and Arbanitai/'Albanitai' referred to medieval Albanians as an ethnic group. The equivalent terms in Latin are 'Albanenses'/'Arbanenses', in Vlach: 'Arbineș', in Slavic: 'Arbanasi' and later in Turkish: 'Arnaut'. These names reflect the Albanian ethnic endonym 'Arbër'/'Arbëreshë'/'Arbëneshë', which 'Albanoi' derives itself.
In the archaeological records, the Albanoi are mentioned on a funeral inscription in Stobi (present-day central North Macedonia) and Albanopolis is mentioned on another funeral inscription near Scupi (Skopje). Another ethnonym, 'Arbaios' found in locality of Finiq (Phoenice) is likely linked to them.
Polybius (200-118 BCE) mentions a location named "Arbon" in his description of the Roman-Illyrian Wars. "Arbon" in a series of mistranslations has been named an "island" or a "city" even though Polybius never mentions it as such. The place has not been identified, and it is unlikely that it refers to the northern Adriatic island of Rab (attested for the first time as Arba (Arbëria) by Pliny).
An interdisciplinary reading of the passage indicates that "Arbon" might actually have been in central Albania, roughly in the same location as the later Albanopolis (Ptolemy) and Arbanon (Anna Komnene). Wilhelm Tomaschek (1841-1901) considered Arbon to be the "first attestation of the modern name of Albania".
Ptolemy (100-170 CE) is the first author who mentions the ethnonym of the Albanoi in "Geographia". The Albanoi are mentioned in the third book of "Geographia". They were a people who lived in the region between Mat and Shkumbin rivers and held the settlement Albanopolis. Johann Georg von Hahn first noted that the suffix -polis ("city") was probably added at a later date by other authors as in other editions it is mentioned as "Albanos polis" or "Albanos".
Archelogical site of Zgërdhesh near town of Krujë has been identified as the likely location of Albanopolis. It is not certain if its location corresponds to the region mentioned as Arbanon mentioned by Anna Komnene in the "Alexiad" about events related to the First Norman invasion of the Balkans(1081). An indication of movement from higher altitudes in a much earlier period has been detected in the distribution of Albanian place names ending in -esh, derives from the Latin -ensis (Vulgar Latin -ēsis), between the Shkumbin and the Mat rivers, with a concentration between modern towns of Elbasan and Krujë.
John of Nikiû (7th century), a Coptic bishop mentions in the French translation of a manuscript titled "Chronicle" that barbarians, foreign peoples and Illyrians, ravaged the cities of the Christians and took the inhabitants alive in the Byzantine Empire.
Hermann Zotenberg who translated the "Chronicle" from Geʽez (Ethiopian) to French rendered with the term Illyrians, a term which in the original manuscript corresponded to 'Alwerikon'. 'Alwerikon' in the Romaica (Byzantine) Greek translation of the "Chronicle" corresponded to the term Albani(k/t)on (genitive of Albanitai).
Constantine Sathas (1842-1912) who first recorded the discrepancy between different translations considered the mention of 'Alwerikon' an attestation of the same population as the Illyrian 'Albanoi'.
Michael Attaleiates (1022-1080) mentions the term 'Albanoi' twice and the term 'Arbanitai' once. The term 'Albanoi' is used first to describe the groups which rebelled in southern Italy and Sicily against the Byzantines in 1038-40.
The second use of the term 'Albanoi' is related to groups which supported the revolt of George Maniakes in 1042 and marched with him throughout the Balkans against the Byzantine capital, Constantinople.
The term 'Arvanitai' is used to describe a revolt of Bulgarians (Boulgaroi) and Arbanitai in the Theme (Province) of Dyrrhachium (Durrës) in 1078-79. It is generally accepted that 'Arbanitai' refers to the ethnonym of medieval Albanians. As such, it is considered to be the first attestation of Albanians as an ethnic group in Eastern Roman (Byzantine) historiography. The use of the term 'Albanoi' in 1038-49 and 1042 as an ethnonym related to Albanians have been a subject of debate. In what has been termed the "Vranoussi-Ducellier debate", Alain Ducellier proposed that both uses of the term referred to medieval Albanians. Era Vranoussi counter-suggested that the first use referred to Normans, while the second didn't have an ethnic connotation necessarily and could be a reference to the Normans as "foreigners" (aubain) in Epirus which Maniakes and his army traversed.
This debate has never been resolved.
A newer very possible synthesis about the second use of the term Albanoi by historian Pëllumb Xhufi suggests that the term Albanoi may have referred to Albanians of the specific district of Arbanon, while Arbanitai to Albanians in general regardless of the specific region they inhabited.
From thereon, in the next centuries, the term Albanoi is used extensively as the ethnonym for medieval Albanians in Byzantine literature. Albanoi is the formal term for Albanians in modern Greek and until the 20th century it was used interchangeably with the term Arbanitai, which now in Greek refers exclusively to Arvanites.
These names reflect the Albanian endonym Arbër/n + esh which itself derives from the same root as the name of the Albanoi.
Ἧλθον ἐγὼ (Ἀθήνη) παύσουσα τὸ σὸν μένος, αἴ κε πίθηαι, οὐρανόθεν· πρὸ δέ μ' ἧκε θεὰ λευκώλενος Ἥρη ἄμφω ὁμῶς θυμῷ φιλέουσά τε κηδομένη τε·(A 205-209).
Beer = zobaja, not sobaia. Beer is made from zob 😅
What?
It seems to me that there is some kind of connection from Illyrian to Albainian, but maybe it's like comparing, say, Oscan to Spanish. A more recent connection to a common ancestor than other languages but not necessarily a direct descendant.
But, I think people hate that it's just not entirely knowable. It's certainly plausible that Albanians are the direct descendants of Illyrians, but probably just not so certain that's it's a wagon to hitch all your nationalist aspirations to, though. However, I think the notion that Albanians are not Paleo-Balkan at all is implausible to the point that's it's swinging a nationalist pendulum too far in the opposite direction.
Finally! A sensible comment.
Considering the most recent data by Matzinger, there is no doubt Albanian and Illyrian were two completely different languages. Proto-Albanian was alongside Messapic and Armenian part of the half-satemized paleo-Balkan branch. Not Illyrian and not Thracian, but probably unattested populations with a homeland in the central Balkans, from where Armenians migrated to the east and Messapic speakers to the west, before the Bronze Age collapse.
Gente della montagna per lungo tempo rimane isolata, si mescola poco con altri popoli. Se i Sciptar si credono originari del posto, che gli altri li davano i nomi come Dardani, Iliri, o Arbanas, tutta la logica dice di si, sono del posto. Questione della lingua e' diverso, lingue sono in continua evoluzione e mescolamento e sono tante lingue abbandonate, ma la gente invece, sembra la stessa.
The Albanian connection is dubious to say the least. The small amount of words recorded makes it easy to swing the theory in any way you want. Just by using your own examples I can explain 'sica' with Slavic root word meaning 'to cut' *sěkti. 'Sabaia' can be explained with Slavic word for 'oat' *zobъ, being an oat-beer of sort.
Edit: Sibina as spear can also be explained with South Slavic 'svib' meaning dogwood. Dogwood was widely used in the ancient world for spears and the 'v' in old Slavic was most likely pronounced as /w/ which is why it is often omitted in Greek writings.
Slavic ? Come on man , dont make the whole world foolish as you are
Are you really trying to turn slavs into illyrians? Youre traitors to the culture, maybe you are genetically illyrian, but you have lost all the language and culture. Illyrian myths remain in Albanian culture and language to this day.
slavs didnt exist in balkans at time of illyrians. Try again
@@MilkmanEditsAL The post was about the possibility of analysing Illyrian as a Slavic language... That's basically proof that Slavs existed in the Balkans at that time and that Illyrians were in fact Slavs. Archeology points to no significant change in material culture before and after the 'Slavic migration' as well. There was an influx of 'Prague culture' pottery, and a reversal of the process of Latinization and even Christianization which might point to the root of the misconception. Illyrians were Slavs just as the Slavs that lived outside of the Roman Empire, but were by the 6th century culturally partially romanized. A new wave of Slavic elites came from accross the Danube and pulled the partially romanized Slavs/Illyrian back into Slavdom. The new Slavic elite was most likely from the Prague culture, which would also explain how come that culture was seemingly placed upon the local Illyrian without any break in continuity.
Not sure if you're a troll. But how do you explain so many Greek deities being in Albanian then?
Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam.
Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish.
Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek.
Demetria, godes of harvests. Albanian Dhemitra where dhe= earth and mitra= woumb/uterus.
Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea.
Ionian Sea. Albanian = Deti Jon meanin Our Sea. Jon = Our in Alb. Same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostum (Our Sea)
There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
I m proud to be ipetar, Dardania, Illyria, Shqiptare, Albania 🇦🇱🇽🇰❤
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Una lingua così diversa non credo ché è sceso da cielo e linguistici non sono in grado di rispondere?
Lingua è spagnolo, francese, inglese? Non! Sono tutte lingue ché vengono da latino come lingua italiana. Ma, lingua albanese è tutto diverso da tutti i vicini ché lo chiamavano "lingua maledetta".
Quando i vicini hanno fatto guerra e genocidio contro chi parla lingua albanese è logico ché loro hanno fatto guerra anche in campo culturale e nascondono qualcosa particolare.
Non è possibile ché Chiesa Ortodossa Greca non sa meglio di tutti quanti, non è possibile! Non è possibile ché in Monte Athos non hanno informazioni più ché tutti quanti.
Questa lingua e popolo ché lo parla non sceso da cielo, ma non poteva venire da altre parte per mettersi in catene montuose balcanica, è un ragionamento semplice, lingua albanese era diffusa almeno in maggior parte del balcani ma pian piano è ristretto.
Grande scienza linguistica? 6 secoli fa i Arberesh sono fuggito da Peloponneso loro parlano lingua albanese e lo considerano se stesso Arberesh perché così si chiamava albania in Medioevo, Arberia.
Sono prove vivente e linguistici non sono in grado dare risposte precise?
Allora, linguistica non è scienza e andate via non parlate...
In this video said about illyrian language..
Where is proof.. Albania language is technically
Latin alphabet
30 % latin words
20.000 greek words special in high level speaking education as in many languages around world
Without proof is not history..
@@Johnny-pk3iq Grazie! Lingua inglese è 60% latin, più tedesco, greco, francese e soltanto 6% è proprio inglese e si chiama lingua. Conoscendo altre lingue capisco quanto è differente lingua albanese quanta semplice e sintetiche ed escluso da studi serie e indipendenti senza essere eclissato da latino e greco.
Comunque, Grazie!
What does it mean in other languange "Illirians"? Nothing! In albanian means, free.....
Call ambulance.. In above i left text from iliada.. Translate.. Or sleep
We wuz illiranzz 🇷🇸🙍🏿♂️-homosexualityvić
could be possibly protoalbanian...but why not consider a uralic language deriving from the step?protohungarian and prototurkish have the word ANA which means mom (in hungarian its actually ANJA) but apart from that,BİCAK resembles the turkish form for knife and spear could be MİZRAK...
Because it make zero fucking sense. The word for mother is practicaly the same in languages that arent even in the same family.
only the Albanian language is the Illyrian Pelasgian language and the old Greek, the Slavic language is a language similar to Russian, while the "Greek" language is a religious language, not an old language, today's Greek language has no resemblance to the ancient Hellenic language, while the Albanian is the most ancient language in the Illyrian peninsula, which today is called (Balkan) and in the Iliad in Homer there are words of the Albanian language.
Your wrong
Greek language is older than Christianity by more than 1500 years. Therefore it is totally wrong to say that Greek is a religious language ( i.e. not an Ethnic one) ...it is true though that Christianity managed to spread all over the place using the Greek language as a tool being the most known in the world at that time.
@@georgegiallousis4400 The language (Greek) spoken today in Greece is a technical language, the Greek language has changed twice since 1823, the Greek language spoken today in Greece has nothing in common with the ancient ( Helen) language, it is a religious language.🤷🏻♂️
Greek is not similar to Russian and IS NOT a religious language as it is active and evolving since antiquity i.e. it is older than Christianity therefore cannot be religious..
The first written Greek letters were found on baked mud tablets, in the remains of the Minoan Knossos Palace of Crete island. This language is known as Linear A and it has not been fully decoded till today. The most famous example of Linear A is written in the famous Phaistos Disc. In the 12th century BC, a new language started to develop, called Linear B, where each drawing symbol is a consonant-vowel combination. Linear B dates from the Mycenaean civilization.
The Greek language is well documented as being one of the oldest languages. In fact, it has the most extended history of all Indo-European languages. The earliest inscriptions of Greek words written using the Ancient Greek alphabet date back to 1400 BC, equating to 3,400 years of written records. At the time, more people were speaking Greek than any other language across the Mediterranean. Today , as the Ancient Greek language evolved through ages in various forms , modern Greek is the version of the language that evolved from Ancient Greek through the Medieval Greek .
skibidi
Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.
Ju are gips😅😅
@@VangjelCala Sorry I didn't understand ?? what are you saying??
@@Dragan-t6ware illyrians dictionary.. 😂 😂 You drink something..
Illyrians was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them
No archeological places
No any written documents..
Nothing
@@Johnny-pk3iqthat’s why ILLIRYA is Albanian because you hate ILLIRYA thanks
@@VangjelCala😂gips me ly shpin a magjup i indis 😂
Mes a pik = the dot of the center.
Alben jolen = Angelina Jolie
😂
@@davidscwimer1974 that is keeping the world from knowledge. The words have meaning that you must learn.
@@gentjanhasani5955 they mean something in Latin and in Greek which doesn’t need word semantics 😂
• Messa- or Messa- derived from a local word for “middle” or “between.” Greek
• -apia relate to the term for “water” or “land” (similar to the Greek word “apios,” meaning “water” or “fertile land”).
World first cultures Vucedol, Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates) starts 11500 BC, Starcevo culture starts 6200 BC, Vinča culture starts 5700 BC, today Serbia. Samarra culture 5500-4800 BCE, Cucuteni culture starts 4800 BC, Varna culture starts 4500 BC, Yamnaya culture 3300 BC.
World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. Today Serbia, (BBC History news March 2010)
Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube. Today Serbia.
Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. (Now in 2024 we have year 7532) Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Today Serbia.
Harald Haarmann about first Cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC, today Serbia, so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world.
Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. Today Serbia.
In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words.
Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan-called themselves Rasi, in Serbia exist even today province Ras. Wendi, (Wendisch museum in Cottbus, Germany, Lusatian Sorbs, Lužički Srbi.) Illiyrians, Macedonians (Homer is saying Paeonian people walked on foot 11 Days to help Trojans war), Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey, Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Thracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia …….
Wild Greeks arrived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgars from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection.
After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans.
(There is no such thing as Indo-Europian, or Indo-German how used to be called before) Proto Serbian language is mother of all languages, spoken all over the Balkans in Illyria, Thracia, Dardania, Moesia, Pelasgia, Macedonia, Etruria, Bhrygia, Sarmatia and so on….Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.It is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western European languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
Proto Serbia language.. What is this.. With all repsect if you are Serbia..
To prove something you need ancient written documents.. You have.. Sorry for my English.
I ask from Albanians to show us something before 1550.. But there is not..
So all are theories and fantasy
@@Johnny-pk3iq Hey Johnny, Germans published dictionary in year 1791 German- Illyrian so you can read the words and speak, it is today Serbian.
@@Dragan-t6w German.. Illyrian.. 😂 😂 Dictionary..
Illyrians not left even one written document...
Illyrians was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization
Nothing left to the next generations in order to remember them
Nothing
Mo archeological places
No any written documents
The albanian language is not from the Illyrian dialect.
The albanian language is a Caucasian language which has turkish, Greek, slavic, and latin words..
The albanians came from the Albanian Caucasian river along with turks after the byzantine period means after the year 1453 and spoke a turkish type language without alphabet and letters
Sit down 4 for today. Next time open some fucking book.
@@adrianlacazete6030 sit down and read the books better...
The turk-albanian are not Illyrians
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Shouldn't be hard at all to see Illyrian/Albanian deep in antiquity with Greek dieties.
Aphrodite (Venus) in Albanian is Aferdite, where afer= near and dite= day. Near day, or morning star. Instead linguists say it come from greek foam.
Thalia muse if comedy. Albanian Tallja = The Mocking. Linguists say it comes from Greek Thalien, to flourish.
Pythia, Oracle at Delphi. Albanian Pytja = The question. All kinds of worthless explanations connecting it to Greek.
Demeter, goddess of harvests. In Albanian it's Dhemiter where dhe= earth and miter= womb/uterus.
Thetis, goddess of the sea. Albanian Deti = Sea.
Ionian Sea. In Albanian it's called Deti Jon, which literally means Our Sea. Jon = Our in Albanian (Albanian J is pronounced as Y in English, as in You). It's the same as Romans called the Mediterranean Sea, Mare Nostrum which in Latin also means Our Sea. Coincidence? I don't think so.
There are so many more just mentioning most obvious ones, that for some strange reason are not mentioned by linguists.
Pcyhopath is Albania word... Ok so explain us why in Albania language are 10.000 Greek words special in high level speaking education.. Or i am wrong
As about your examples that you wrote i am sure you make joke or in Albania country international etymology dictionary no works.. And you have only for Albanians
Etymology.. Is Albanian word.. 😂 😂 😂???
@@Johnny-pk3iq What does this have to do with what I'm bringing?
@@GJ-dj4jx my friend you need medical help.. You translate as you want and make etymology.. One more time etymology is Greek word..
Open international etymology dictionary.. To see all these bulshit that you wrote above..
According you ancient Greek is Albanian language??
So you can translate Homer.. 😂 😂 Only this answer me..
If you said me yes.. I will send you any text from iliada.. To translate... Can you do
@@GJ-dj4jx i can understand you.. 80 years you are closed from all civilization countries.. Is so pity
How can Albanians be real Ilyrians when first record of Albanians is in 13th century and all of Ilyrians were romanised by 4th century. Ilyrians became Romans and 1000 years later Albanians appear.
the first record of albania is in 13th century? propaganda is insane
@@MilkmanEditsAL name a source which mentions Albanians before.
@@kristijangrgic9841 the tribe “albanoi” predates any existence of Slavic existence in Balkans and even the Macedonian empire.
@@kristijangrgic9841 you do know that the name Albania is a Latin term used to describe us. We call ourselves “shqiptar” and our country “shqiperi”. Again, if you trace the Illyrian language and look into the very few documents written in it, it will come out to Albanian being the closest match. Not a single trustworthy history disagrees with this
@@MilkmanEditsAL ancient Albanians have nothing to do with modern Albanians. Not even name. You are not called Albanoi in your own language. Show me document in which Albanians are first time mentioned. There is none prior to 13th century. Show me if there is
There is no evidence about Illirians language or any proof. How can that be considered as a fact?
Also, Kosovo is a free country now. The map used is not updated.
Yes, you are right.
Shame that Illyricvm is not on Netflix while a lot of other Croatian bullshit films are (just because they're either comedies or tell about the war in ex-YU.
no need for any of these question at all ,, DNA shows our yllirian ancestry,, 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
only Croats and Serbs are true Illyrians because the Albanians got information about their Illyrian origin only after the wars between the Serbs and them in order to have more rights to the territories
You are from the Caucasus. Genetically and culturally, you are the most similar to them. I don't want to argue with you, but I'm just stating my facts.
@@korda-u7rgenetically we are the same as half of greeks and south serbs. Literally cant tell the two apart. South serbs are assimilated albanians, greeks and albanians are made from the same dough. We have nothing to do with the Caucasus, meanwhile we have surviving documents rhat demonstrate that slavs come from there. There isnt a single mention of albanians or albanoid speaking peoples moving into the balkans. But somehow every other nation is attested (the slavs, the bulgars, the goths, heck even the greeks), this is because the albanian ethnogenesis happened in the balkans from the few surviving tribes in the mountains of the original paleobalkanic peoples. Everything else is just a cope. Doesnt make albanians better doesnt make them worse, but the only logical scientific explanation is this one. You can keep your Belgrade pseudoscience to yourself.
@@korda-u7rthe only truth is that you are true Slavs. You call yourself Slavs and the world calls you Slavs. You got nothing to do with the ancient history of the Illyrian Peninsula. 😅😅😅😅
I was born east istra I'm lllyrian
@@korda-u7r you are cringe
So in essence, made up language.
Albanoi is a Celtic tribe vanquished by illirian tribes..more than 90% of Shqip language is latin..its close to Aromani-Vlach language..Slavic culture derives its origin from Illirian&Macedon culture&tounge..and within the experience of ancient history its like the Etruscan people moved to Apolonia (todays Albania) and the Tosca people also..mind you that the Geg people came from old Albania (Azerbeijan) in the 10thcentury and in the Turkish conquer sided with the Turks&Kurdish people and made the bashibozuk regime on the Balkans(turkish synonim for bloody honey)..
There are a lot illyrian writing but the archologist hide it. In ancient city of apolonia in albania in a kid tomb was writed the words "fimia hiyneron haire" wich is still translatble from albanian today but archoligist in albanian forced themself to read it difrent and make it greek with some words meaningless.
You reallgood in your mind
Apollonia is Greek ancient archeological place
From illyrians there is no ancient written documents
Only bla bla in Albanian kafenio
@@Johnny-pk3iq who told u that!! Wikipedia!?? They are making all illyrian cityes in albania as greek now throw albanian goverment. Albania since 1990 become vasal to greek state and we do what greeks want
@@adrianlacazete6030 my friend.. All universe knlw about illyrians.. 😂 😂 That was Bigest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them
No archeological places
No any written documents.. 😂 😂 😂
@@Johnny-pk3iq just because u dont know that doesent mean there is zero. U dont have idea of ancient cityes we have in albania so take a nap and see dream with greek bullshits
@@adrianlacazete6030 show us one ancient archeological place from illyrians.. Show us one ancient written documents from illyrians.. 😂 😂 😂 😂 And then speak
Rubbish !!
Ilyrian ore albanian language is the first language of humaniti go se the tre of language the sekond is armenin and tre is tocarian.
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Go ask one historian about this a now you dont belive this
@@DorinaAlidini I’m asking you
Nonsense, Basque is the "oldest" surviving European language.
@@davidaxelos4678 don’t try and use reason and logic with these brainwashed people.
Propagande !
Why do you say that !?? Give some evidence?
Try to find Olga Luković-pjanović book:"Srbi narod najstariji."(Serbs,the oldest nation).
Book will be interesting to you as linguist!
😂
If world history began in the 8th century AD, perhaps this would be true, but history begins at least 5,000 years earlier! You Serbs are 4,200 years too late.
Hahaha
She should have known that serbia comes from russia 😅
Maybe elsewhere.Not in the Illyrikum where they faced like barbarians about VI century.There is no archeological ore historical data to conferm.Have serbs fought against romans ore Alexander the Great? Don't be ridiculous.
Croats, Montenegrians, Bosnians and Serbs are Ilirian descendants.
Some historians claim Illyrians were R1b carriers. Some say J2b carriers. Neither say they were I2a or I2b. Strange.
No such thing as ancient Albanian
I was only going to just downvote this comment, but then I thought I would try and find out what's actually going on in your head? Does your comment add anything at all to the discussion about Illyrian language? or are you implying that Albanian has no historical roots? The Albani and the Abroi, considered as proto or early Albanians, were first attested in the 6th century BCE, is that not ancient enough for you?
@@sylvien2599 there is no
Proof that the extinct Illyrian language is linked in anyway to modern Albanian. The claim of a direct and continuous linguistic connection between the ancient Illyrian language and modern Albanian is not universally supported by linguists and scholars. the evidence is insufficient to establish a direct evolutionary link. The Illyrian language is poorly attested, primarily through ancient inscriptions, making it difficult to discern its precise linguistic features and relationship to other languages. Additionally, the development of the Albanian language involved significant influences from Latin, Greek, Slavic, and other languages due to the region's history of cultural exchange and conquest. There is no evidence for this bold claim. Relaying on old communist propaganda is not history. You can downvote the truth … now days the truth means very little to people like yourself
@@davidscwimer1974 But your comment merely stated 'no such thing as ancient Albanian', the video is well researched and actually just does a kind of meta analysis of modern, peer reviewed and published research. Your comment added nothing to the discussion. No evidence, no citations just a random and vague comment.
@@sylvien2599 really .. check again is there no implication that Albanian is some how an ancient language?
Hi there! What exactly did I say where you seem to have issue? I will just give you a quote from Routledge 'The Indo-European Languages' Second edition - 'Two main theories consider Albanian as a descendant of either Illyrian or Thracian langauges, respectively' and then the author recommends reviewing the work from Matzinger 2009 and 2012. Olander 2016, groups Albanian on the 'Illyric' branch ultimately descending from Paleo-Balkanic - but they stress caution with the label 'Illyric' due to lack of sufficient linguistic data (just as I said in my video). Mallory and Adams in the Encyclopaedia of Indo European (1997) states regarding lexical items 'by far the strongest connectionsncan be argued between Albanian and Illyrian' but again stresses to be conservative with any conclusions. Ultimately, Albanian descended from one of the Balkanic varieties of Indo-European brought to the region by whoever replaced the pre-Indo-European speakers of the region. I think nothing here in my statement is controversial and agrees with many leading names in IE studies, although some will disagree for sure but I try not to present minority views.
ILLIRYAN LANGUAGE IT WAS ANCIENT SERBIEN LANGUAGE.......
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Big Albanian Albanian 🇦🇱🙏, Illyrian, no Slavs no fake Greeks, only Albanian Ilyrians.
Hahahahhahahahah so funy! Šiptaria
P R O P A G A N D A 🤮🤮
Smederovskis cope
Kurve you Come Here in Balkan From Azia mongol. albania Is here AUTOCHTONE ILLYRICUM BLOOD🇦🇱🇽🇰✝️✝️🦅
@@valentinkulla2381i like autókhthōn word.. You know the etymology.. And is Albania word??? 😂 😂 😂 😂..
@@valentinkulla2381illirian.. 😂 😂 😂 😂 Wad biggest zero in humanity as civilization nothings left to the next generations in order to remember them
No archeological places
No any written documents.. Zero big