I think that’s him in the photos as an old man too, I don’t think the twins killed him, they used to like to encourage rumours of more killings and violence to increase people’s fear of them
Case closed on Teddy, his application for Aussie statehood is in his own name, despite being wanted for the escape of Frank Mitchell, a spell in Broadmoor and a record as long as your arm. Who do these doubters believe could keep that from the Aussie authorities exept MI5.?
very true .alan cooper the mysterious yank who supplied the firm with guns that never worked was definately a mi5 and cia plant . the twins realised he was a wrong un when late on he was wired up in hospital and when they visited tried to get them to incriminate themselves he then vanished .however incredibly he got ronnie a visa for the usa . he went to new york with him.the idea was for him to meet top mafioso to discuss gambling jaunts to london. in the event he only met third rate villains and retired mobsters so probably the mob sussed cooper.if you go back to the boothby libel case its clear the intelligence services protected the krays at this point why i dont know .boothby got 40000 quid for a story that was true ! maybe they feared the krays had too much on the establishment .teddy was the link man between the vips and the twins so it made sense for him to vanish.they did a similar job of protecting john bindon due to his royal connection a few years later .in the police its recorded what an uphill struggle nipper read had to convict them .instead of being praised and promoted he was told his career in the met was over .he was shunted off to be dcs of enfield cid and told no further promotion was possible .nipper left the met became an acc in the counties and then took a paper pushing job on her majesties inspector of constabulary .the top brass he said made it clear that nicking the twins was not what they wanted ! a top cop sidelined for doing his job.
Your absolutely bang on accurate with everything,I did my research years ago,exactly the same as what you are saying,love the way you explained everything,really enjoyed watching,yes,that is definitely teddy,he wasn't killed off,thanks very much
I'm surprised Teddy got out without Nipper Read catching him, Read said he looked everywhere and found nothing . Teddy must have known the heat was coming down so off he went
Teddy being MI5 fills in many blanks--early trials collapse as much because of him as the still at large firm. Teddy was probably answering to John Du Rose, pulled by MI5 who were determined to stop a 2nd Profumo, though the Boothby scandal would have been far bigger. MI5 must have known about the Mitchell murder and escape before Leonard Read himself did. Not required at their trial as he was culpable on the Mitchell escape. Frankie Fraser and Buller Ward come out looking good as they both claim to have met with Teddy in 1972.Though Read himself seems to have only been given half the story by MI5, only they could get Ronnie a passport for New York. I doubt Teddy was Oxbridge recruited CIA but turned i e blackmailed by them later, his departure ushered in the mysterious Alan Cooper who likewise disappeared. Also explained is how the Twins got in at the Cambridge rooms whose style and ethos were not theirs but Teddy Smith was installed as manager, the sudden recantation of the female owner collapsing yet another trial now appears logical.
Just a thought: It's possible the people Teddy Smith attacked were Mi5 agents to put up an image to the twins which would explain why the cases were always dropped.
They both loved Teddy as a one true friend. His gift from the Twins was being set off to go before it all went down. They wanted him out for his own good.
yes us who lived in holloway islington knew teddy well, he was a friend of us and my family, he helped me out once in a big club, wher me and my best mate micky was near this big fella , something was said, and the fella offered me and micky outside, our bottle went as he was a big evil looking bastard, on the way to the door, teddy who had been sitting at a little table on his own at the moment, . flew across like superman and gave the fella such a good hiding, he said i had been watch you to tossers i thought somethig was going on, , he was a little bit tasty, not sure about him being called mad teddy, we called him terrible ted
Hey Rich RUclips have been selling me short mate, I watched all your videos, becuase you get the tragedy around the whole thing, then we get the kicking arse gangster stuff, otherwise known as balanced journalistic qualities, interesting this one, know of him but nobody's touched on the guy,all the best to you and yours these times are a c..t but what can you do.
I do look at your videos and think quite good. You don't make things up or exaggerate. If it isn't clear you say so. I was glad to see the one on the family you did last year. Not sure if you're looking for more ides but I'd like to see one on what happened to their 'empire' after 1969? Also, comment on what the family said when they realised the truth about the Mcvitie murder (admission in book)?
Rich - I have two questions. First, have you read Frank Fraser’s book? Second, how did Limehouse Willie get his name? Thanks for another informative video!
No i've not read any of Franks books. Not sure how Willey got his name. Not too much is known about him really. He did give evidence against the twins at their trial in 1969 though
Hi rich its trev dec here please 🙏 can you let me know if I could get a signed atargraph from the krays or a picture of them thanks trev dec love your video's
I'll never understand how Nipper Read didn't know that Teddy did a runner to Australia he said they investigated and questioned so many but no sign of Smitty, Nipper was convinced the twins killed him, And Smith came back to the UK and died in 2004 or 06. He obviously knew it was imminent that the firm were all getting lifted for murder, So he packed his bags and off down under he fled. You gotta give him credit having gone on his toes and presumed dead, when he returned he still would have been wanted for the Mitchell murder.
@@Richie2015 That would probably be true especially with the Lord Boothby affair. When the Twins went down the author John Pearson was given pic's of Ron and Boothby and when Pearson went on holiday his apartment was burglared and the only things that are taken was the pics so who would rob an apartment and only take pictures,so Teddy probably was MI5
Question: were the Krays brothers involved in the death/murder ? Of boxer Freddie Mills? Nipper read said in a interview they found no proof the Krays were involved. They said Mills was broke, in dept and suffered from headaches
@@des4424 that was an accident rather than a premeditated murder. There is a rumour Reg killed a young rentboy after having sex with him, because he couldn't come to terms that he was also gay, and he was discussed with himself, and took it out on the young boy. But that's just a wild rumour just like so many others rumours about the Krays.
George and Alan Dixon, small time East End like the twins. People don't seem to realise even when they were about still there were so many more powerful people and firms, there were even people in the East End the Krays were wary of they were just much more low key
This outfit were all violent and thought of nothing else they had to be on top when it comes to killing and terrorising anyone who came within their path. Just to spread fear it is all a crazy mad violent game. Thank goodness they both paid the biggest price the Krays could not control in the end. Good on you Nipper Reid. You nabbed em good. And actually what an insult to the two beautiful snakes with those numb skulls holding them thinking their clever being used as a photo fit. May those disgusting thugs burn in hell. I am so sorry but I stand up for the under dog.
It seems that British gangsters seem to be quite tolerant of homosexuality. Quite open minded considering how gays were treated in British society at that time.
The one time being a violent psycho was a good thing and probably what earned Ronnie and Mad Teddy some respect (or perhaps fear) amongst their peers that usually wouldn't tolerate gay people.
Look at the picture of teddy smith as a old man ..his nose is smaller than it was when he was younger...we all know as you get older your ears and nose gets bigger iam not convinced.
Love the video and my favourite character from legend. Taron egerton (the man who played teddy) did so well portraying him.
Did you him?how do you know how he really was and acted like we don't
@@snapyourfingerssnapyournec6503 omg, always one XD
@@philpants44 if your talking about someone claiming a person portrayed on person that no one even really knows about,your right.
teddy is the least one known about,there isnt anyway someone can play the way he was in real life
@@philpants44 exactly
Down under. He is a rear breed , he is in a special league. Getting out at the right time .
Yes sounds like he loved rear breeds ffs
I still am intrigued by these gangs. Thanks for the videos
Smith got out the stupid game and it was a smart move that he did.x
I think that’s him in the photos as an old man too, I don’t think the twins killed him, they used to like to encourage rumours of more killings and violence to increase people’s fear of them
Rip Reggie and Ronnie
Jim Perry here, and it is so good to see back with another video. Thank you, Rich!!
Cheers Jim
Case closed on Teddy, his application for Aussie statehood is in his own name, despite being wanted for the escape of Frank Mitchell, a spell in Broadmoor and a record as long as your arm. Who do these doubters believe could keep that from the Aussie authorities exept MI5.?
very true .alan cooper the mysterious yank who supplied the firm with guns that never worked was definately a mi5 and cia plant . the twins realised he was a wrong un when late on he was wired up in hospital and when they visited tried to get them to incriminate themselves he then vanished .however incredibly he got ronnie a visa for the usa . he went to new york with him.the idea was for him to meet top mafioso to discuss gambling jaunts to london. in the event he only met third rate villains and retired mobsters so probably the mob sussed cooper.if you go back to the boothby libel case its clear the intelligence services protected the krays at this point why i dont know .boothby got 40000 quid for a story that was true ! maybe they feared the krays had too much on the establishment .teddy was the link man between the vips and the twins so it made sense for him to vanish.they did a similar job of protecting john bindon due to his royal connection a few years later .in the police its recorded what an uphill struggle nipper read had to convict them .instead of being praised and promoted he was told his career in the met was over .he was shunted off to be dcs of enfield cid and told no further promotion was possible .nipper left the met became an acc in the counties and then took a paper pushing job on her majesties inspector of constabulary .the top brass he said made it clear that nicking the twins was not what they wanted ! a top cop sidelined for doing his job.
Yet again another brilliant video, great to see you back
Thank you Yvonne
You are 100% right when you say there is more than what as come out
Thank you for making this vid. Really appreciate your efforts. Cheers 😊
and thank you for watching it
So interesting!
Thank you very much.
And thank you for watching Paige
Thanks Rich!!! Great video
Cheers Dan
@@Richie2015 keep them coming!!
great work,thank you.Very enjoyable, anything but boring.Look forward to the next one
Thank you
Your absolutely bang on accurate with everything,I did my research years ago,exactly the same as what you are saying,love the way you explained everything,really enjoyed watching,yes,that is definitely teddy,he wasn't killed off,thanks very much
Thank you mate,glad you enjoyed it
And again , You have put together another 1st rate mini doc.
Cheers Lee
Absolutely fascinating.
Thanks Rich 👍.
Cheers John
I'm surprised Teddy got out without Nipper Read catching him, Read said he looked everywhere and found nothing . Teddy must have known the heat was coming down so off he went
John Du Rose was protecting Teddy, i hope you will read my own postings, though i have revised my own findings slightly since.
As ever excellent research Rich.
Thank you Eleanor
Excellent informative video please continue with them...
Thank you
Brilliant enjoyed 😉
Thank you Mazza
Teddy being MI5 fills in many blanks--early trials collapse as much because of him as the still at large firm. Teddy was probably answering to John Du Rose, pulled by MI5 who were determined to stop a 2nd Profumo, though the Boothby scandal would have been far bigger.
MI5 must have known about the Mitchell murder and escape before Leonard Read himself did. Not required at their trial as he was culpable on the Mitchell escape.
Frankie Fraser and Buller Ward come out looking good as they both claim to have met with Teddy in 1972.Though Read himself seems to have only been given half the story by MI5, only they could get Ronnie a passport for New York. I doubt Teddy was Oxbridge recruited CIA but turned i e blackmailed by them later, his departure ushered in the mysterious Alan Cooper who likewise disappeared.
Also explained is how the Twins got in at the Cambridge rooms whose style and ethos were not theirs but Teddy Smith was installed as manager, the sudden recantation of the female owner collapsing yet another trial now appears logical.
Just a thought: It's possible the people Teddy Smith attacked were Mi5 agents to put up an image to the twins which would explain why the cases were always dropped.
Anything is possible mate
more than possible i hope you will read my own postings as i always value opinions.
I wow my coworkers with my knowledge of the twins.
Great channel Rich, very informative. Have you seen Monty Pythons satirical take on the Krays - The Piranha Brothers, quite funny.
@FreddyFerret I would like to see that.
Great video Rich, definitely think he got out and went to Australia just in time which was just lucky or maybe planed!!!!!
Cheers Stigg
They both loved Teddy as a one true friend. His gift from the Twins was being set off to go before it all went down. They wanted him out for his own good.
Love this channel, it's very unbiased view and great insights .... Respect, great work 👍
Thank you mate glad you enjoy it
Enjoyed as with all..
Thank you glad you enjoyed it
He looks astonishingly like Teddy Atlas in the laughing photo...
Very interesting 🔥
That's definitely teddy 100 percent
yes us who lived in holloway islington knew teddy well, he was a friend of us and my family, he helped me out once in a big club, wher me and my best mate micky was near this big fella , something was said, and the fella offered me and micky outside, our bottle went as he was a big evil looking bastard, on the way to the door, teddy who had been sitting at a little table on his own at the moment, . flew across like superman and gave the fella such a good hiding, he said i had been watch you to tossers i thought somethig was going on, , he was a little bit tasty, not sure about him being called mad teddy, we called him terrible ted
Hey Rich RUclips have been selling me short mate, I watched all your videos, becuase you get the tragedy around the whole thing, then we get the kicking arse gangster stuff, otherwise known as balanced journalistic qualities, interesting this one, know of him but nobody's touched on the guy,all the best to you and yours these times are a c..t but what can you do.
Cheers Graham
When u doing another vid?
Good video quite informative
Cheers Keith
That's definitely him
theres a little extra insight into teddy smith in buller wards book which is excellent
I would like to read that one
tx i enjoyed it as well hope you will read my own postings as i always value opinions.
That smile you can see 1000 yards away that that's teddy Smith
Another thought, if he were a agent for HMG, why would he use his own name when finding sanctuary in OZ ?
Think you nailed the reasons for his disappearance. Nice one Rich.
Another fantastic video rich take care and stay safe mate. Tom.
Thank you mate
Thanks Tom
I do look at your videos and think quite good. You don't make things up or exaggerate. If it isn't clear you say so. I was glad to see the one on the family you did last year. Not sure if you're looking for more ides but I'd like to see one on what happened to their 'empire' after 1969? Also, comment on what the family said when they realised the truth about the Mcvitie murder (admission in book)?
Thank you Richard. I will try and look into things on them subjects for you
Yes am interested too ?
You mean Ronnie was hangin outta the back of him 😂😂😂pushin dents into his turds 😂😂😂
Just a thought, would Australia allow someone in with his criminal history ?
Back then probably
Alive and living both?
Rich - I have two questions. First, have you read Frank Fraser’s book? Second, how did Limehouse Willie get his name? Thanks for another informative video!
No i've not read any of Franks books. Not sure how Willey got his name. Not too much is known about him really. He did give evidence against the twins at their trial in 1969 though
Because he came from Limehouse maybe?
I'm presuming his name was willy and he came for Limehouse
Why don't you one day tell us about you Rich?
I wouldn't bore you with that mate haha
@@Richie2015 Think folks would be interested in the person behind the voice buddy
Hi Rich, great video.
What is the document you have included regarding the play, please? @14:49
It was just information on the BBC website about the play genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/6e56becbd1c9476ca06992b793de0c4f
Hi rich its trev dec here please 🙏 can you let me know if I could get a signed atargraph from the krays or a picture of them thanks trev dec love your video's
Hi mate,i think the best place for you to look is here as its all genuine gangsterstuff.com/
@@Richie2015 thanks rich love your videos m8 keep up the good work 👍 trev dec 👍
I'll never understand how Nipper Read didn't know that Teddy did a runner to Australia he said they investigated and questioned so many but no sign of Smitty, Nipper was convinced the twins killed him, And Smith came back to the UK and died in 2004 or 06. He obviously knew it was imminent that the firm were all getting lifted for murder, So he packed his bags and off down under he fled. You gotta give him credit having gone on his toes and presumed dead, when he returned he still would have been wanted for the Mitchell murder.
The rumours are that Teddy was an MI5 informant. How true that is we will never know. Its very plausible though. If true Nipper was not privvy to it.
@@Richie2015 That would probably be true especially with the Lord Boothby affair. When the Twins went down the author John Pearson was given pic's of Ron and Boothby and when Pearson went on holiday his apartment was burglared and the only things that are taken was the pics so who would rob an apartment and only take pictures,so Teddy probably was MI5
Intelligent man.
Question: were the Krays brothers involved in the death/murder ? Of boxer Freddie Mills?
Nipper read said in a interview they found no proof the Krays were involved. They said Mills was broke, in dept and suffered from headaches
That’s definitely him as an old man. How do you know he died of cancer in 06 Rich? Cheers
The guy who done the investigation into Teddy(Ray Rose) says that Teddy died in 2006 so we have to go with that
Cheers, interesting video
Love the krayrs 💝💝💝💝
Lol!!
What's to love? Interesting maybe, for the first few years. Highly unpleasant by most accounts
I’m surprised Teddy didn’t get involved in crime in Australia. I wonder if he live in Melbourne Or Sydney? Do you know Rich?
Sydney i believe but not 100%
@@Richie2015 okay 👍
he was a talented writer, could have written under pen names, but i hope you will read my own postings as i always value opinions.
@@juliataylor2623 okay 👍
"He used a cigarette holder and walked around with a little dog,he was gay but not camp" no doesn't sound it
I like to wear a flowery dress but I’m not camp either
@@j0nnyism so what would you regard as "camp"?
@@michaelharrison3602 He's being sarcastic
@@oliviamartini9700 who Teddy or the other commentator?
I know you can’t change your tonal voice when you talk..but 🙉
Not hating..great information
No worries,thanks for watching anyway
@@Richie2015 nothing wrong with your voice mate, keep it up. So many rude dickheads on RUclips
If it wasn't Smith that Reggie said was the other murder, who was it ?
Reg said that he saw his mate die when they was younger, could be that 🤷♀️
@@des4424 that was an accident rather than a premeditated murder. There is a rumour Reg killed a young rentboy after having sex with him, because he couldn't come to terms that he was also gay, and he was discussed with himself, and took it out on the young boy. But that's just a wild rumour just like so many others rumours about the Krays.
Ronnie's boyfriend maybe?
Yeah he were
A young lover of Ronnie's early on, was supposed to have been killed because he left Ronnie. And Ronnie was jealous.
Who took over from the notorious Kray Twins
ronnie o sullivans parents
the adams family from islington
George and Alan Dixon, small time East End like the twins. People don't seem to realise even when they were about still there were so many more powerful people and firms, there were even people in the East End the Krays were wary of they were just much more low key
Was there any one on that firm who didn't like it up the chuff is an east London thing
Plenty of em
We'll they won't. They're dead get over it.RIP
Ronnies plaything
This outfit were all violent and thought of nothing else they had to be on top when it comes to killing and terrorising anyone who came within their path. Just to spread fear it is all a crazy mad violent game. Thank goodness they both paid the biggest price the Krays could not control in the end. Good on you Nipper Reid. You nabbed em good.
And actually what an insult to the two beautiful snakes with those numb skulls holding them thinking their clever being used as a photo fit. May those disgusting thugs burn in hell. I am so sorry but I stand up for the under dog.
I wonder what he did? Hmmm, a mystery
i was a friend of teddy or terrible ted as we called him, i know plenty about tessdy
Sounds like half the firm were rent boys and rats
would have loved them to hear what you just said
jack flash were you up 🔞 er i mean on the firm son ?
Teddy would’ve written a book I don’t think those photos are teddy. He died in 67
tthose photos are of teddy i knew him well, he was from islington like i was
It seems that British gangsters seem to be quite tolerant of homosexuality. Quite open minded considering how gays were treated in British society at that time.
The one time being a violent psycho was a good thing and probably what earned Ronnie and Mad Teddy some respect (or perhaps fear) amongst their peers that usually wouldn't tolerate gay people.
What teddy gay?
Yes
Look at the picture of teddy smith as a old man ..his nose is smaller than it was when he was younger...we all know as you get older your ears and nose gets bigger iam not convinced.
I think it might look smaller because it is a better defined photo, the earlier one is more blurry.
Glad to hear from you with this new video!!!! Always looking for you! Thanks again ,
Thank you Eileen
I think its him. Placement of eyes crooked smirk. You're right about the nose. Maybe a nose job?
Your over modulating
Honestly what a load of old bollocks 😂😂😂 people belive it as well
its all true, i know them and thats the truth especially terrible ted as he was know by us in islington
U wouldn't be able to pick em out on a I.D parade just on there clothes alone.... identical