Why We Don't Train Aggressive Dogs Anymore - Apprentice Training Session Excerpt
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- People always want to know what Uncle Stonnie is doing when he isn't training dogs or doing property maintenance. Here's a short excerpt from a session where Stonnie is explaining to his apprentice why we don't train aggressive dogs anymore.
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And THAT is why I love Stonnie. He has standards. He's principled. He's a man with integrity. Rock on, Stonnie!
Yes!! so many RUclips trainers will put on a show, claiming to have rehabilitated a dog in 40 minutes or less, when you know full well, regardless of what training method has been used on that dog, it is going back into the same environment and unless there is the motivation to consistently work with the dog on behaviours that will help him fit into his world appropriately there is no point.
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This is exactly why I'm very selective with Board & Train clients. The OWNER has to prove to me that they are willing to instill the methods I teach them. They have to show an effort to change their behavior along with their dog's behavior. Otherwise, the dog learns to be perfect with me and continues being crazy with their owner.
That’s why you’re losing clients.
Because, otherwise you are being blamed for something that is not your fault.
Had that happen to me. My parents had a poorly bred German Shepherd that they let get away with stuff. you don't let a puppy get away with. My parents asked me to train the dog. Turned out that this GSD was very smart (even for a GSD). I made the GSD work for everything. I didn't put up with guff. I made remarkable progress with this dog, both in obedience and social graces. Like the rest of our neighbors, we let our dogs run loose. I could always call the GSD, get her to come home, even if she was half a mile or more away. I would use my spotting scope and find the dog. When I called her, she would trot home--and I'd tell my parents that the GSD will be home in about five minutes. For various reasons, I needed to move. My parents did not follow my instructions; they didn't insist that the GSD behave, they didn't make the GSD work for her meals, treats or petting. When I came back, the GSD was back to being an aggressive brat.
I have a feeling most people would love to have had you for a dad. Very few people, men or women, do what's right, instead of what's easy.
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super valid and i appreciate you bringing this up. it's heart breaking to put all that love and time into nurturing a dog and bringing the good out in them just to send them back to a person that thinks you "fixed the problem" and keeps on doing things the way they were to get them there in the first place. in my experience "dog training" is 25% working with the dog and 75% working with the person on how they interact with and treat their dog in the first place. props to you for not perpetuating a broken system
I really appreciate this take and a lot of what you impart. Discipline is something that our society seems to lack in many respects, and looking back I wish I had a better understanding of how to develop it and remain consistent. Its crucial in your formative years as I'm sure it is for dogs.
It isn't that uncommon that trainers get somewhat tired of training dangerous dogs. It is sad for the dogs and those owners who know and favour your training methods. On the other hand, it is the perfectly legitimate privilege of a successful business owner to choose the customers he is willing to cooperate with.
Aggressive dogs can be a real challenge I can understand why people would not want to teach them. Sadly my business is not going as good as yours so I cant really pick my clients. But to be honest I do like the challenge. Like my own Ruby Doo. She was a year old shelter dog when I got her. She was so absolutely wild and crazy that the shelter had a warning on her paperwork to have 2 people handle her. They also told me she would be impossible to teach. Now she knows over 60 tricks and many service dog tasks and has 3 first place trick dog titles so far.
Same with horses. My husband and I used to train horses for the public and most of the time that horse was back Within a couple of months with worse behavior than before.
U need to have a bootcamp training for the owners (and charge 10X LOL).
Ha ha yes! I was thinking, have you all ever seen Supernanny? He could go into their house to teach/discipline the owners.
Honest and pricipled
The purely positive training zealots are like that dad with the basement.
And this, boys and girls, is why Uncle Stonnie didn't become a school teacher. I don't blame you one bit, Stonnie. Trying to take responsibility for other's (adult's) behavior is a losing game.
You need to train the owner! Love your content thank you 😊
Change a few words and that could be the same commentary on a nation and society in general.
And THAT’S the magic of Stonnie!
Years ago I took my dog to a training facility that was called "Dog Training For Humans'. This just shows that it's the human that needs training not necessarily the dog.
Haha so true!
That's also true regarding horses...the humans need to be trained.
@@nancyk3615 That’s a bunch of new age BS!!
With disruptive & aggressive dogs it's often the owner that needs training as much as the dog.
Training a dog is relatively predictable. Training an owner is rarely so.
HOLY MACARONI, did Stonnie Dennis just solve the whole positive only vs balanced training debate in 2 minutes and 41 second ???
Stonnie, Don't you get sick of people being proud of "spoiling" their dogs. OMG I am so sick of it! What do you get when you spoil a dog rotten? Something spoiled and something rotten. Who wants that??? The dog pays for it usually with it's life.
I'm not familiar with this channel, so maybe this has been addressed in other videos. But going by only this one video, it sounds very down on dog owners, without mentioning what efforts had been made by the dog trainer to teach the dog owners what to do. Are people truly not even trying, or are they just being normal people who are not dog trainers? Does someone have to be at the level of a professional dog trainer to be "worthy" of owning a pet? Are you not allowed to "love on" dogs? Are they there only to train, and not to enjoy? I'm really asking. If you know how to train aggressive dogs and you are good at it, and you refuse to do it, I guess many more dogs will be put to sleep because of that decision. If you repeatedly find that your clients can't preserve the progress you've made with the dog, I think what you've discovered is that you're fairly bad at teaching people. So maybe you're right that you shouldn't do it anymore. But it's not necessarily all the people's fault. Maybe they need a trainer who is more people-oriented.
I suggest you do a little more research and a little less typing…
I didn't see you there, Officer Cop-Out!
There are very few truly bad dogs.
There are many truly bad owners.
I totally get it! Owners need to be accountable!
I say if you wanna know how to get a cool calm and confident puppy, follow Stonnie Dennis!! He got the recipes. Im confident Stonnie can train any aggresive dog, but i think his work with laying a foundation for the youngster is more important at this point. If EVERYONE started out with their dogs like this, there would be no problem dogs. There are enough trainers that focus on the aggressive ones, and is handeling it the best they know how.
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Someone needs to make a camp that trains the low standards dog parents to a higher standard. As the saying goes…’never lower your standards’
yep. I got a rescue Malinois whom I stopped from jumping around like a lunatic prior to a walk, to walk on a leash, a perfect heel, stop in the middle of a fetch,,,so smart, all the basic obedience and more...,, she hated me. I always felt she wanted to go home to her "real daddy" so she could do whatever she wanted, including biting the people who annoyed her
Yup I took on a friend's dog who got sick, they totally anthromorphisized this poor dog and it really messed her up. She spent 3 years with us living the good like on acreage with a whole pack to manage her. Her owner was shocked to find she was off her anxiety meds, no longer had "food allergies" or was being overly "protective" in the first 5 months 😜 we moved out of state so she took the dog back because legally it is still her dog, she did message me a few weeks later and admit I'd brought that dog a long way from the nervy anxious wreck she was when she was handed to me.
That's like why my Dad isn't a chiropractor anymore - He would get paid and do what was requested but he never felt like he was truly helping people because it was more upon them to take care of themselves then him to adjust them.
You speak the truth~ its so sad for the dog b/c these same people will then get rid of them.DQ
I completely agree, it's demoralising for us to see but worst for the dog. Sadly, these dogs then end up getting passed around or PTS because of the owner.
The issue is not that you can't help an aggressive dog, it's that you do board and trains, and thus, the clients get overwhelmed. About 90% of our clients are aggressive, and it works out great almost all of the time because the clients get the training inside the home. That way they can make slow changes each week instead of being overwhelmed when the dog comes home from a board and train.
No, that’s not the issue at all. My program has the most follow up support of any program in the business.
I would love to see how your in home lessons provide the level of remedial socialization my program provides. Please post links so people can compare and contrast our systems.
If you have a 90% success rate, you better get to franchising quick, because you know something no one else knows.
@@claudiafurlan4608 I'm not sure what you are asking. Of course since people have access to the internet 24 hours a day, the largest percentage of my interaction with people is via the inter web.
People come work at the kennel all the time though; especially folks who live relatively close by.
If you are trying to somehow imply that my follow up support isn't top notch, then please show me someone who does it better.
I've figured this out on my second dog of being a dog behaviourist 🤦
You can't change the human personality majority of the time. First thing you have to do (try) is give the owner all the tools in THEIR environment. Very hard to do.
Fabulous factual video Stonnie. I absolutely agree & there is NO job satisfaction in a waste of time
Go to the root of the problem, start to train the owners if they really want good behavior dogs. 😅
Stonnie, you're speaking truth about the situation.....(and saying it *a lot nicer* than I ever could).🙏🏽God bless you and protect you and your family!💖✨
Nah, I think this guy lost his understanding for dogs. He seems to feel like he is a celebrity now.
@@workinghuntingguarddogsfam816 Bullcorn! Because if you really felt that way--->then you wouldn't be here. But yet here you are.
@@shiammi907 well, that is the thing... I may not be after this.... in this video if he is talking about protection dogs then I apologize... but if he is talking about dogs that come in that need a bit of extra attention and their owners who probably pay stonnie like 50,000 a month get a bit more education... if it was because the dog needs a little more attention then yes... that makes me sick and totally yea I would feel like that from here on.
@@workinghuntingguarddogsfam816 I think you are the one with no understanding -----> it is YOU who cannot tell the difference between Personal Pets who are *so spoiled* by their "mommies/daddies" that the dog is put down for shredding a family member's body part or worse, *verses* Personal Protection Dogs who are the most beautiful dogs of ALL Creation. So you can just go stone face yourself (yes, I read your other comment).
@@shiammi907 what are you trying to say exactly. he made it a little hard to understand and your response makes it a defensive response then a constructive one
As a trainer who works with aggression I envy you Stonnie. I got into dog training because I felt responsible to care for a designer breed that my relative purchased. Seeing how he was handled and behaved sparked a deep desire to love and care for this guy. But, by the time I had him he had already developed severe reactivity and fear-based aggression. So I was terrified that I’d made an awful mistake and put everyone at risk from this huge scary(130lb) dog. After quitting my job and devoting every spare moment to understanding his behavioral issues, i remedied majority of his issues and have a very pleasant, high-maintenance, but sweetest dog i’ve ever had. I know for a fact that if I could train around your property and in your environment I could get a lot closer to the potential I know my Koda has. I would love to talk more about this too! Thanks for everything!
I can see your reasoning. Something to keep in mind, you have all day to work with these dogs. It is, by definition, your job. The people who pay you to train their dogs don't have the time you do. Now, that's not to say they get a free pass & get to totally slack off, but once training is "complete" and no new commands are to be learned, they should only need regular refreshers
I have a pretty good grasp of everything involved…
It's the humans that need the training mostly - myself included. I have learnt a bucketload from your vids (and others) so please continue your good work.
I'd really appreciate learning more about your general process for addressing aggression issues if that would be possible.
I have quite a few videos on the subject.
@@StonnieDennis Thanks - I'll search them out for my reactive pair. They're both a work in progress but any extra insights are always helpful.
I have two comments:
I think the majority of professionally (well) trained dogs back slide upon returning home; for several reasons, all falling under the heading of high standards not being upheld. The difference with aggressive and biting dogs is that the consequences of this regression are drastically more significant, sometimes tragic. Owners tend to accept accountability for minor behavioral failings, however, in these times, few people accept accountability for terrible consequences. It is wise to choose not to be the scapegoat for these owners.
I'm not sure your metaphor of lenient dad and disciplined mom holds up with dogs. In my experience, dogs thrive with high standards, clear communication and clear expectations. I believe dogs would choose the disciplinarian if given the choice where to spend their time.
Sad but true! This is the world we are living in now, punishment and discipline are evil words apparently and letting your dogs and kids do whatever they like is supposedly a loving thing! Unfortunately crime and gang violence is on the increase and so are dogs being euthanised every year
That is a perfect analogy. That would be disheartening. That's a lot of work for a lost cause. Wish there was a class to teach owners how to administer tough love.. set boundaries and be able to stick to them. A lot of people just aren't made that way I guess. There is nothing wrong with that. It is just that those types of owners should consider owning a cat instead of a dog. 👍
Unfortunately self discipline isn’t something one can learn in a class, or even a series of classes. It takes either a proper upbringing or an unflinching dedication to honest, objective, self evaluation.
The lack of self discipline, emotional control, and honest self evaluation are society wide problems and I don’t think any of that is changing soon.
@@StonnieDennis That is a great point about modern day society Stonnie- I totally agree!
Excellent, excellent points. If I could require everyone who thinks they want a dog to watch your videos, I would. I guess that makes me a control freak but honestly, the number of dogs abandoned in my city's shelter, probably most of them for behavior issues, is sickening. And I live in a really prosperous place with many 'educated' people. 😢
I get it. But don't you think some of the training sticks with the dogs regardless? Some behavioral issues could be fixed permanently if the dog just got around other dogs and is shown what is and isn't appropriate behavior. Some just need that strong leader and desensitizion to other dogs or people or the big bad world.
And if the difference between your and the owners' standards is such a big deal for you (which I absolutely understand and respect) then how come you're still training dogs? Most of the dogs you train don't get held to your standards by their owners, aggressive or not. That's just the reality of all dog trainers.
It may be he has experienced more dogs reverting back than dogs truly being rehabilitated. It is a frustrating thing in dog training when you give a recipe or a prescription and then the client only follows it for a week or two. When you care about dogs, you see what happens to them during this process of being rehabilitated and then reverting only to go back and be trained again over and over. Also, when a dog comes back for multiple training sessions it gets to the point where the dog performs very well with the trainer and poorly with the owner. As the trainer you run out of options once they begin to comply with you with everything. Pet parents need more education on building value in their relationship with their dogs. A lot of them want a quick fix or a tool and you have to explain that dealing with those dogs is a lifetime commitment and journey similar to staying healthy and in fit etc.
This is why I refuse to help my friend with their puppy. I gave them advice sure but they're too lax and there's two different mindsets at play. Her mom is too lenient on the puppy and insists that crating and management should be used as little as possible. Guess how well thats going for a border collie, cocker spaniel mix. I'm not even a professional trainer, I'm just known as the local dog person. But I refuse to help them until they can learn to be consistent.
I've trained quite a few dogs but most of them were small behaviours for fun. But I've raised 2 dogs to be wonderful, happy and as stable as possible(one had separation anxiety and general anxiety so he needed management) but I've only done that by managing them and being firm but fair and setting consistent expectations and rules. Many people are too easy on puppies in the wrong ways and it sets them up for failure. Bessie isn't the cute, tiny, sickly 12 week old puppy anymore. She's closer to 5 months and getting bigger every day. She's getting less cute and harder to manage each and every day. All because they didn't take advantage of managing her when she was smaller, less energetic and easy to manage.
I've seen a lot of people claim Chihuahuas are terrible dogs but they really are NOT! They just tend to be owned by people who reinforce bad behavior, oftentimes rewarding it and they get passes because they're tiny dogs. Vets call them 'Chainsaw dogs' because they're the most likely to bite vets, and when they do bite they do it multiple times. This isn't because the breed is naturally aggressive, it's because they're small animals, not being trained properly, they're scared of a much bigger world and the only way they can communicate is through aggression.
I'm not the biggest fan of labs, because I have met too many where someone got one just to have a dog. Do they have an active lifestyle? No. Have they trained the dog? No. Does the dog have a job and activities to do? No. They got a dog that they liked the look of, rather than a dog that suited their lifestyle, and as a result you end up with a miserable poorly trained dog!
Good for you man…speaks to your character….you know what they say…..lose your money, you have lost nothing . Lose your health, you have lost something. Lose your character and you have lost everything….
I have an issue with my mother not being disciplinary enough towards my oldest Corgi (I am talking about controlling the situation by managing the dog's behavior when I talk about discipline). The dog is 2, has lots of energy and is intelligent. It is also a bit hyper, doesn’t like being denied human contact. When the dog is denied said contact or being told to do something it doesn’t like to it gets upset. I keep telling my mother don’t let the dog get worked up. Twice now the dog has accidentally nicked my mother's hand because it was allowed to get worked up. Yet, with me that doesn’t happen. So, yes, when two parties are not on the same page there can be issues.
I'm amazed at the owners who talk poorly about their dogs within earshot, and even tell them they are bad dog BUT THEY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!! It's like they expect their dog to grow out of bad behavior or to learn as they get older without having be instructed or taught differently. This puts visitors who don't want to endure bad behavior, like being jumped on, in a very awkward position!!
I lift my knee and ignore the dog. Works like a charm, usually first time, owners are amazed but still let their dog jump on them. I've had two ppl ask me not to do that again to their dog bc it was mean. I said, dog never yelped, I used zero force, I was protecting myself, and I most likely won't have to do it again.
Both times the dog immediately went over to the owner and jumped on them.
I am really struggling with this concept as I am trying to start my own dog training program. I’m having a hard time being motivated with any older dog that comes in because most of their owners just want the dog fixed but won’t put the effort in themselves.
I don’t know what to do because I feel like I can’t bee too picky with my clients if I want to grow my business. At the same time I don’t want to waste my time training dogs for owners that are ultimately unhappy when the dog reverts (due to lack of effort on their part).
Wouldn’t it be, also, about your getting blamed, and possibly sued, if the dog bites someone after the training!??
My very passive Doberman was nearly attacked in the back room at the vet clinic today while they drew her blood. I was so angry,especially since they knew the other dog was extremely dog/people aggressive and yet they them both back there at the same time.
Wow, I share these exact sentiments. I have had multiple experiences in dog training where the client just simply cannot do or will not do what it takes to keep the dog from reverting. I have had many experiences where I sent the dog home with certain tools and explained their functionality to the clients only to see the dog come back 1.5 weeks later wearing something different you didn't recommend. Then they ask why the dog is still pulling. Often times owners do not know the amount of force or firmness that may be required to deliver a correction if corrections are part of their training. This causes the dog to become desensitized to the correction and the dog quickly learns it can power through which in turn forces the trainer or parent to use a higher aversive tool. I would witness some confused dogs at times too wondering what was going on because the timing of the correction would not be on point. Training those dogs can quickly fall apart.
This is why I couldn't make money off rehabilitation off dogs with severe/extreme behavioral issues, I will work with the dogs no one will handle, but only if I can pick the new owners (with the exception of recent rescue cases that just don't know what to do, but truly want success). I just can't... It only ends in misery for the dog and myself.
Ugh yeah I no longer support adoption in dogs because so many dogs are getting adopted by these wierd anthromorphisizing people who are literally using the dogs bad behavior to support their own, claiming they are supporting the dog and "keeping it safe" but if you ask if they've ever just walked in circles around a park for 3 hours till the dog chills out? Nope, they're to worried about "stressing the dog" like yeah, know what is more stressful than ducks at a park? Getting euthanized because they have never been around a child and go for a face bite in public the one time they drag them to the vets per year. And the amount of medication these people throw at their dogs is insane, like I just can't 🤦 all they dog needs is socializing and boundaries but they're to weak willed to even take a slip lead to the animal so you better believe they aren't helping the dog in any way, that in addition to the "past abuse" sob story they are always throwing around as an excuse 🙄 like damn my friends got an ex police dog, guess it's fine if she nails the mailman cause of past experiences 🤦
its easy to be the fun parent because it doesnt force you to step up your game and mature. my grandfather was the fun parent and my grandma was the strict one. guess who got blown off every time they attempted to make a rule and guess who had the kids home in time for dinner. in a way what you said reminded me of the bluey ep burger shop where dad bandit is giving his kids a bath and says "im done being a meanie parent ill let the kids decide when they want to get out" the kids take advantage of this and later say "sorry we didnt get out of the bath" and bandit says "im sorry i didnt make you". meanwhile through out the ep mom chili is being the strict parent reminding her husband why the kids need to get out of the tub.
Stonnie can you do a vid talking about Akita Inu is it right for you? Thanks.
Too many people that find themselves in that situation want to treat dog training like going to the machanic. They bring it to the expert, they fix the problem, and the dog is all good again. They really do not want to change their lifestyle or revise they way they think of dogs in general.
Rehabilitate dogs.
Train people.
Love seeing you working with a border collie - so unusual! I want more behind the scenes videos.
He got plenty of vids on herding dogs
I fully understand what you mean, cause I experienced the same in my job.
Knowing I couldnt help people who dont really want to be helped - they only need somebody to blame.
But hey that is not me anymore, I found something better :)
🇮🇪 very good video sharing
Shitty analogy. Single Moms are the worst
Truth! Most of the time, it's not the dog that's the problem.
Do u involve the owners while training their dogs?
So train humans and rehabilitate dogs!
Lies! He just doesn’t want to do that anymore.
There you have it. Life's too short to deal with that.
Responsible owners thus is where it all starts.
I can totally understand you.
So, rather not even try and ensure those dogs end on the table??
But I don't have a basement.
I understand what you mean. The horse world is like this also; so many folks don't have the skills of handling them and they are at great risk of ending up the the slaughter pipeline. I rescued 2 roaming young adult Covid German Shepards from the highway last summer. One is 90lbs. Completely untrained, no chips. Almost a year later they are getting manageable. I raise mini Aussies, what a difference in their minds. Anyway I have a daily routine and it has saved us all, and they have almost completely integrated into my critter family.
You have a full heart and hands there, Nancy! :)
Which is why I think board and train "solutions" aren't solutions at all
Depends on the program…
Nicely put Stonnie.
Stonnie, can you give us disciplined owner/amateur trainers some pointers on how to help dogs like this? I got my 1.5 year old lab after my friend died when he was a puppy (Almost 4 now) and he was too wild to handle. In our first year he bit me several times and two friends. He's been one tough cookie to crack, but he hasn't bitten anyone in over a year and the only thing he did wrong last year was growl at someone who straddled him to pet him and a friend when he was pulling his whiskers in July. I don't worry about myself, but I basically have mild panic when others are petting him, it's still very hard for me to trust him. It's been difficult to find any good approaches so other than basic manners and obedience, I yelled at him and made him lay down when he bit me until he was calm and submissive. I've been rough housing with him to teach him bite inhibition, I'd yell owch and stop playing if he was too rough. I also consistently touch his paws, tail and face which he didn't initially like and still kind of doesn't. It seems to be working. When he's 100% engaged in rough housing with me, I can let him bite my hand and it doesn't hurt and he calms down the moment I start being gentle and basically matches my intensity whether I'm being lazy or going crazy.
You are correct.
Sadly, it must always be about holding the human to the highest standard when concidering rehabilitating agressive dogs. Like many parents today, pet owners also seem to be passive participants in the raising and skilling of their pets.
I am not a professional dog trainer but have success with my own dogs. This is exactly why I said no when I was asked to train someone's dog. The person was quite unhappy with me but I knew they weren't prepared to commit time to the dog. This needed to be said 👍🏻👍🏻
You are 100% right amigo,I see the sameproblem at the dog park with owner that allow their dogs to do anything and stating that: he/she knows that don't suppose to do that !!!!!! what a joke
You are spot on!
I agree with this guy 100% ❤ I love watching him he’s a real GREAT dog trainer I’d pay him just to let me work with him love your work man 🎉
Honestly this is why I think that dog trainers should be more like horse trainers. Most of the time the owners need to change not the animals. Also why are dog training seminars not more popular?! It is so helpful to learn over a couple days and see other people working through their issues!
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Like how you bring dogs to a high standard. 🌟 -do you take children to? Guess it would be hard to let them go back too.
Man oh man u are right. The owners blame every thing and everyone in the book and refuse to address their own behavior. Am going through that now and it is so upsetting to watch them destroy their dog all over again.
Taking ownership and responsibility is the first step of dog training reflects then owners. Thank you for all the great information 👍💪
This is exactly what cesar says. I think one thing he does not show on his program is all the owners he has turned away because they are not willing to learn how to handle their dogs.
I love that parc it would be nice to have big set up like that..owners are dumb sometimes..
I am very grateful that a trainer worked with me and my previous dog, who was aggressive when I adopted him at 18 months of age. She did not hold my dog to a high standard- instead she taught me how to hold my dog to the high standard and watched me do it giving feedback and direction when needed. No one should drop an aggressive dog off with a trainer and expect them to do that sort of work in exchange for money. That is the most intense bonding you can do with a dog, it's like paying a prostitute to sleep with your spouse or give oral cause you don't have the time or know how, it won't build the relationship or fix any problems. If a person isn't there to learn along side their dog than it doesn't matter how much money they are willing to spend, the same is true for parents and kids, we can look for instruction or guidance if we don't know what to do, but we need to do it, it's about more than learning, it's connecting, the connection that is built with a dog and the person who rehabilitates a dog that was mistreated and cast aside is one of the most rewarding experiences anyone can know.
Did your trainer have a facility where your dog was able to interact freely with other dogs and people?
If not, where did you find socialization opportunities?
Do you have any videos of your previous dog socializing after it was rehabilitated?
@@StonnieDennis She didn't have a facility but did workshops at various training centers. I can give you her name and website, I just didn't think that was polite to do on another trainer's channel. I'm remembering back to 2007, so I forget a lot of details. The dog died in 2014 and what little video I took I lost years ago.
I'm very aware of what I forget as i am dealing with a newly adopted Bouvier des Flanders with some aggression issues. I have just had his bloodwork done because I suspect a cryptorchid and his testosterone is unusually high. He will have a sonogram and then a surgery if anything is found. He's four years old, and was surrendered to the kennel I work at as a foster. When no one adopted him after 6 months and his mental health was declining I adopted him. I was his main caretaker and he had bonded to me and I couldn't stand seeing him live in a cage any longer . Many of us do not create or unthinkingly adopt these aggressive dogs and we need help.
your attitude in the video annoyed me because I suspect you're mostly seeing dogs brought to you by wealthy people who can afford a board and train for the purebred animal they purchased, or even mixed dog they adopted without much forethought, an animal chosen for it's appearance rather than research about the breed or connection felt. People who are used to paying others to do the work they should be doing. But many of us are willing to invest our time and effort to rehabilitate dogs after other people's negligence and mistakes. We just don't have much money and see a professional dog trainer's services as beyond our means.
That sir would make you a professional. It IS about the animal !
Brilliant! Thank you for that very clear explanation.
Really like your general content. But your reasoning here, at least in my opinion, doesn't really make sense. If what you say is true, would mean that pretty much all the aggressive dog parents you board and train for are undisciplined people, while people with non-aggressive dog parents are disciplined. Otherwise you would have the same fall off in 'greatness' in dog parents with non-aggressive dogs as well...
If you take a look at your own reasoning process, you will change your opinion.
I don’t know if that was necessarily what he was saying, but there is some truth in it. Just like if you compared the parents of a group of ‘bad’ kids to the parents of a group of ‘good’ kids. The good kids are more likely to have come from good parents. The ‘bad’ kids are more likely to have parents that are either neglectful or they let them get away with anything.
@@Mitch_Ryder All Stonnie is saying is that he trains/retrains an aggressive dog that results in the dog becoming better behaved in his environment. Once the dog leaves his place, that structure he provided is gone. The dog reverts back to the same old behavior without a disciplined knowledgeable handler managing the dog. I've seen this so many times even in the same home. A dog will mind one person, but not the other. Horses are even more fun! A well trained horse might act naughty with a novice rider. Put an experienced rider onboard, same horse will carry out that rider's wishes without any trouble.
@@Starry_Night_Sky7455 exactly…it’s like sending the bad kid back home to the bad parent.
@@Starry_Night_Sky7455 that just sounds like the dog doesn't trust the 'disciplined knowledgeable' handler enough to show his true feeling. reactivity doesn't come form being a 'bad' dog. it stems from an underlying issue like fear, insecurity, resource guarding etc. a dog not showing those feelings with one handler, but with another tells me that the underlying issue has not really been adressed, but subdued.
I see it everyday...... Great way of explaining it!
Well said absolute truth! Now at 0:47 Black Labs!!! 😍
You really are an interesting and knowledgeable man.
I'll be honest most of this stuff isn't my cup of tea as I discovered you when I first got a Mali and I really enjoyed your protection dog training and I'm really into hunting and working dogs for a purpose, I fully understand why you don't do it now ( alough your not that old as you said) and earn your money the best way for yourself, your a great personality and as an Englishman myself your exactly what a proud southern American should be.
I like your setup very cool !!
Love just listening to you talk about dogs. I was curious if you’ve ever trained Toller Retrievers or recommend whether or not it’s a good dog to get.
I've never owned a toller but I grew up with one next door and have known a few, great dogs, I've never seen one that wasn't a level headed friendly and biddable family dog.
Awesome explanation!
Owners of non aggressive dogs also don't hold their dogs to your standard after you return them. What is your point?
Non-Aggressive dogs aren't in danger of biting someone and being put down. Spending time on a dog who just pulls on the leash, only to have them continue pulling is less of a disappointment for a trainer than spending time on a dog who bites, only to have them continue biting.
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