Hey guys, I've been wanting to make this video for a long time I think it's long over due we give the Russian planes some love. The manouverability of these things is truly outstanding, and I don't really even have enough practice to push this aircraft to its limits I hope to get better and better at this down the road and make more videos with the flanker. I think it's pretty safe to say it's one of the greatest dogfighters of all time.
@@lw8249 Depends how it's done, a quick drift before mid-corner to get the nose clear of the apex = Gets you through the corner faster, since you're now accelerating out of the corner earlier. A corner is nothing but a chicane that has to be tackled asap so you can get back on the throttle. Basic stuff back when people understood and knew how to use the cars and tires (rather than just managing engine temps and tire wear), 10 miles long cars weighing several tons go through corners with neutral handling and everyone goes "wow so fast"... it's not. Ever since the Paris air show everyone thinks the Russians plan on Cobra'ing at BVR and flip-flop the thing all over the place like some Fokker DR.1, I wonder who gave everyone that idea.
@@ToreDL87 You lose speed anyway, a little, but anyway. Only, in that case, you have an advantage because you have the nose towards the exit of the corner and you can open first full throttle. Then one thing is a slight powersliding another thing the real drift maneuver.
This video really displays how different Russian WVR doctrine to Western WVR theory. Having watched this, I now have a better appreciation of Russian fighters. It's magnificent, really.
To be fair, in an extreme pinch with no other choice, american 4th gen jets are very capable of pulling extreme AoA and achieve a cobra-like maneuver which essentially achieves the same result as having a bandit overshoot. That's why they have AoA limit overriding mechanisms and disengagable FCS in case this ever happened include manual pitch override switches to allow pitch control at greater than 50° AoA. Its just that they were never really used outside of testing and prototype phases. The F-14 prototypes performed cobras (actually called super stall) before Pugachev himself even took flight.
Growling Sidewinder it’s funny the Americans ditch super maneuverability only to try and stick it in their 5th gen planes i would still put my money on the Russians if they could get that close to an f22
One of the benefits of my channel is getting to know people from all over the world. My affinity for Russian food has given access to A LOT of Russian military folks. I asked about this very topic since I'm an aviation enthusiast. The biggest problem they have with super maneuverability is the human factor. Pilots just cannot sustain some of the moves you were doing without GLOC the second biggest problem is Running out of Gas, fuel pumps like a steady flow, same with engines. "Too much sloshing the petrol can be bad." Either way I love how the Russian engineers can build things so tough and versatile, that can fly on unprepared fields and be fixed with common hand tools. Good luck doing that with a F-22. Hope the next vid is SU-27 or modded SU-57 and a F-22, that will be really neat to watch. Keep up the great content and thanks for making these so entertaining to watch. Cheers!
Eh planes like the Grippen or F-35 can be operated from normal roads in rough conditions with simple tools too. Also the DB solved the issue with "fuel slouching" back in world war 2, so how they still struggle with negative G's in russian engines today is rather shocking.
Su-27 is a defensive aircraft like most other Russian fighters, they will be airborne to take down massive enemy raids coming from the air if the air defenses(which Russians are excellent at) won't be enough, that's why the supermaneuverability is important to them, they will only engage enemies when they have gone past the S400 and have come close, which very few US aircrafts can do.
ive actually tried this, and from what I could tell, it comes down to how the F-15 choses to fly, if he tries to turn, he dies very quickly, but if he firewalls the throttle and goes to space, he will come back down on the flanker and win that way. This is just my personal experience, but its a generally very one way fight.
@@meaterschmitt8045 exactly, a good pilot plays to the strength of his aircraft. the F-15 is not a turn fighter, it was built to intercept Mig-25s. An Eagle driver knows not to get into a turning fight with a flanker, he should use his superior speed and climb rate and keep the fight at a distance
Knightfang1 Is the Eagle really that much better than the Flanker in terms of kinetic though ? iirc, the Flanker beat every climbing speed records set by the F-15. Those were customized versions for both aircrafts but it surely means something when we compare them in dogfight with weapon load and stuff ~
RazgriFPSB F-15 has a significant advantage in thrust to weight ratio over the flanker so it accelerates much faster and therefore can begin climbing faster. The flanker apparently has a higher top speed but it takes it significantly longer to reach those speeds
Ine time I did the cobra correctly and chasing plane just flew by me but I managed to snap my wings lol 😂 so it got me so mad because it was so nice seeimg him overshoot lol.
This is hands down the most beautiful video on RUclips. A wonderful dogfight simulation, towards the fourth, fifth minute when you lost altitude, and your opponent, fuck how good he was with those turns.
Perhaps you could try the supermanuverability with the R-73? The high alpha and small turn radius seems to suit a high off boresight missile shot. Amazing video as always btw!
I cant play this game because of i don't have a good enough computer, but i absolutely love this game and especially watching these videos on your channel, so keep the good work up :D
I don't know if this was Dancing With The Stars or Matrix, but was really good and pimp IMO; i think the SU-27s/33 was the russian early atempt to get a fighter plane with high maneuverability without get involved on the trust vectoring. And i think they've a really good line of fighters there.
This was super technical!! That pull over the airfield was too risky and he almost shoot you in the first flight .. But then again every one's an expert when they aren't the ones flying
History has shown that the victors were more often energy fighters than maneuvering fighters. For instance, the P-51 and P-47 were able to maintain air superiority against far more maneuverable (and far slower) aircraft such as the Ki-43 and A6M5. In WWI, the Fokker Dr. I was the best dogfighter of the war, but was quickly dethroned since it had to be put in a defensive position to utilize its strengths. Energy fighting allows a fighter to stay in the offensive position, and dictate the circumstances of the fight. For that reason, in my opinion, energy fighting will always be superior. Now, if you can do both like an F-22 can, all the better!
Wow you were cemented in the air for a bit after that risky stall. Amazing what a Flanker can do. Truly the ballerina of the sky. But that's more like the SU-37
I came here to watch a fight but left saying that's a great dance by two love making birds as David Attenborough puts it on documentries. Great show by both Growling and other guys.
You’ve done it again buddy awesome film like action and great tac view, love the content and great to see how you manage to keep it fresh, the way you guys control the action...well done thnx
7:29 what the heck? well he certainly flew right by, even though energy dogfighting may or may not be more effective, this supermaneuverable ace combatish dogfights look awesome , i wonder how it would work against western fighters
Amazing job, not only you do great videos and your voice is just so calm and easy to listen to, but you obviously are great pilot with a lots of skills, knowledge and experience... I admire you, my hats off! Subscribed!
Wait..I just got a notification for this like 1 minute ago. I wish it actually showed me the video when it was first uploaded. But regardless, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna enjoy the video.
I just released it boss, It was originally released for early access to patrons I appreciate you having notifications on tho. at least we know theyre working for once.
I was confused, too, because the date says today but there are older comments. Anyway, great video! Recently got into DCS and your videos most certainly help with the learning curve. I would love to see the Su-33 go head to head against the Su-27 to weigh pros and cons of the heavier -33 with larger wing surfaces against the lighter and more nimble -27. Part of me thinks that while the -27 will corner better the -33 might handle the stall manuevers better having better lift with the larger wing surfaces. Appreciate the videos, GS. Thanks!
@@apersonontheinternet8006 The 33 would be marginally better in the inital 90 degrees after the merge, after that the 27 would be able to pull more AOA and bleed less speed. Advantage 100% lies with the 27 imo.
Russia chose maneuverability because fancy air show maneuvers sell aircraft to politicians who make the decisions and maneuverability is a relatively inexpensive feature to incorporate in a design. USA chose energy retention because it wins in air battles and they have a history of successful energy based designs so they stick with what works. Another key deciding factor is that the radar limitations of Russian aircraft often forced a close in fight anyways at the time, if they survived long enough to get close then other measures could be taken to try to gain an edge, such as off bore sight targeting and weapons and an option to try to use passive sensors for an ambush. Extra maneuverability was seen as also adding to that edge in a close range fight.
@@GrowlingSidewinder And would be nice to test the ''american theory'' which you mentioned in the begining, that the wingman would always get the enemy with the low kinetic energy. Ofc 2v2, 2 SU27 vs 2 US fighters from that era.
You'll be pleased to hear that I got my new PC late last week - had DCS World on Friday and the SU-27 on Saturday am. By third take off was trying the supermaneuverability! F@#k! Amazing! Lot to learn though... Thanks for the inspiration to get DCS World and the Flanker....... Best, Pete.
In the 90's a swedish fighterpilot said to me that the Su27 had power beyond it's own neck. He said he had seen them start, with maximum payload and go almost 90 degrees right up after given air under it's wings and keep accelerate. Now they newer models have even more power.
I think you perfectly demonstrated why us don't use this sistem because if it's there pilots will use it and it may not pay out as well,I find you quite experienced in dogfighting but in the second fight you got a little to comfortable with that cobra and it's such a crazy thing to do it ends up being something you immediately think of in a high stress environment and as a result to that you get shot down, love the SU and these dogfights are so graceful very enjoyable vid man thanks
What an amazing fighter!!! I can't believe how fast they can 180° in a turn!!! You would think that you crush your pilot turning that hard and fast!!! AmAzInG 👌👌👌
I can understand why US decision-makers didn't go this route. If the pilot uses supermaneuverability wisely, it's very effective 1v1, but there are a lot of ways to get it wrong and die. It sounds easier to train hundreds of pilots to use the F-15 to its full potential than to do the same with the Su-27.
Hey guys, I've been wanting to make this video for a long time I think it's long over due we give the Russian planes some love. The manouverability of these things is truly outstanding, and I don't really even have enough practice to push this aircraft to its limits I hope to get better and better at this down the road and make more videos with the flanker. I think it's pretty safe to say it's one of the greatest dogfighters of all time.
How about MiG 29?
Zombi Zombatar MIG 29 is also a great aircraft if used correctly. I personally like it a lot.
great dogfight!
Why you didn't eject at round 2
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wow ive never seen dogfights like these... looks like an impressive airshow more than a dogfight lol
willfos ya it really did feel like I was basically dancing with him up there
And that's why I like the Russian aircrafts more than any other country.
@@rainb0wdrag0ni84 Soviet
@@Alexei55555 are flankers not still in service?
@@juniasdityenbeger4506 Flanker su-27 stil always in service
Automotive Enthusiasts: Planes cant drift
DCS Players: Hold my HOTAS
One sky drift and you're out of energy :p
@@skatterpro legends use keyboard and mouse for dcs that's what i meant 😂
@@mro9466 You lose energy, or better, speed, even when you drive on the road. You're slow when you drift, more the angle, more the loss of speed.
@@lw8249 Depends how it's done, a quick drift before mid-corner to get the nose clear of the apex = Gets you through the corner faster, since you're now accelerating out of the corner earlier.
A corner is nothing but a chicane that has to be tackled asap so you can get back on the throttle.
Basic stuff back when people understood and knew how to use the cars and tires (rather than just managing engine temps and tire wear), 10 miles long cars weighing several tons go through corners with neutral handling and everyone goes "wow so fast"... it's not.
Ever since the Paris air show everyone thinks the Russians plan on Cobra'ing at BVR and flip-flop the thing all over the place like some Fokker DR.1, I wonder who gave everyone that idea.
@@ToreDL87 You lose speed anyway, a little, but anyway.
Only, in that case, you have an advantage because you have the nose towards the exit of the corner and you can open first full throttle.
Then one thing is a slight powersliding another thing the real drift maneuver.
those flankers are like dancing in the air, first slow, then fast, like a tango
chobanini tango like tango alpha november golf oscar 👍🏼✌🏽
cool thing that you mention tango, because Tango is 100% improvisation!
**plays "Zero" from Ace Combat Zero**
The fighter is not only have top gun but also to survive (dodge from attack) and quick move to do counter attack with aggresive
@@TheHaiko117 that and add AC7 PSMs
12:44 "oh that looks important" as your wing flies past you lol 😂
been putting music over my tacviews now too mate, I have to admit i think its much better, thank you for that suggestion.
Growling Sidewinder no prob at all brother! Love seeing the progression and growth of your channel and I think you are doing an amazing job!
"Seems I just lost something important..."
"This is fine."
Slow mo version showed that the first bursts hit the cockpit area, how is that not a kill and the wing is
I love how you analyze the fight as you are fighting.
thanks brother, i'm glad you enjoy it.
As you can see here I am absolutely fucked
And the russkies put thrust vectoring on these bad boys. So the new ones are even better at supermaneuverability than the old ones.
Mad ladz.
Mad lads indeed. They've made some wild wild stuff.
"Ivan! Let's make our supermaneuverable plane more maneuverable!" Russian engineering intensifies!
su30 with canards too..
prashant sharma the canards there are more to offset the increased front end weight than anything else
@@vukashin88 i disagree.. canards are there to enable the air flow over the wings at high high alpha during thrust vectoring.
This video really displays how different Russian WVR doctrine to Western WVR theory. Having watched this, I now have a better appreciation of Russian fighters. It's magnificent, really.
@Calamity Jane As you know, the Confederate states of America, and United States are the same thing too!
@Calamity Jane R/Woosh
Kinda late, but what does WVR stand for?
@@postItNoteObsession Within Visual Range, i.e. "dogfight".
To be fair, in an extreme pinch with no other choice, american 4th gen jets are very capable of pulling extreme AoA and achieve a cobra-like maneuver which essentially achieves the same result as having a bandit overshoot. That's why they have AoA limit overriding mechanisms and disengagable FCS in case this ever happened include manual pitch override switches to allow pitch control at greater than 50° AoA. Its just that they were never really used outside of testing and prototype phases. The F-14 prototypes performed cobras (actually called super stall) before Pugachev himself even took flight.
Jester must still be on leave, healing from Spinal Compression.
lol either that or a court marshal
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😂😂
*is falling out of the sky in an aircraft with a severed wing and two flaming engines*
GS: "This is fine."
That was the most beautiful fight I have ever seen. Just amazing and absolutely breathtaking!!!
thank you glad you enjoyed
So a super-maneuverability dog fight looks like sheer insanity... nice to know.
Markus Childers pretty much imagine a real life dogfight with an f22 and an Su27
Growling Sidewinder it’s funny the Americans ditch super maneuverability only to try and stick it in their 5th gen planes i would still put my money on the Russians if they could get that close to an f22
12:43 lmao *GS's wing flies in front of him* "oh that looks important"
i just love how cinematic those dogfights are
Go back to the basement Stoolz is waiting
13:20 that should be a Pilot kill, not wing kill
Pete Copter I thought the same
Dcs world hate engines and wings so any shot anywhere else kills them too
in dcs if pilot snap fingers wings come off
I've honestly never seen dogfights like this... it is amazing
glad you enjoyed it
One of the benefits of my channel is getting to know people from all over the world. My affinity for Russian food has given access to A LOT of Russian military folks. I asked about this very topic since I'm an aviation enthusiast. The biggest problem they have with super maneuverability is the human factor. Pilots just cannot sustain some of the moves you were doing without GLOC the second biggest problem is Running out of Gas, fuel pumps like a steady flow, same with engines. "Too much sloshing the petrol can be bad."
Either way I love how the Russian engineers can build things so tough and versatile, that can fly on unprepared fields and be fixed with common hand tools. Good luck doing that with a F-22.
Hope the next vid is SU-27 or modded SU-57 and a F-22, that will be really neat to watch. Keep up the great content and thanks for making these so entertaining to watch. Cheers!
Eh planes like the Grippen or F-35 can be operated from normal roads in rough conditions with simple tools too.
Also the DB solved the issue with "fuel slouching" back in world war 2, so how they still struggle with negative G's in russian engines today is rather shocking.
Su-27 is a defensive aircraft like most other Russian fighters, they will be airborne to take down massive enemy raids coming from the air if the air defenses(which Russians are excellent at) won't be enough, that's why the supermaneuverability is important to them, they will only engage enemies when they have gone past the S400 and have come close, which very few US aircrafts can do.
Awesome, and would love to see supermaneuvrability (SU-27) vs energy (F-15C) dogfight !
ive actually tried this, and from what I could tell, it comes down to how the F-15 choses to fly, if he tries to turn, he dies very quickly, but if he firewalls the throttle and goes to space, he will come back down on the flanker and win that way. This is just my personal experience, but its a generally very one way fight.
@@meaterschmitt8045
Interesting ! Thanks for that answer !
@@meaterschmitt8045 exactly, a good pilot plays to the strength of his aircraft. the F-15 is not a turn fighter, it was built to intercept Mig-25s. An Eagle driver knows not to get into a turning fight with a flanker, he should use his superior speed and climb rate and keep the fight at a distance
Knightfang1 Is the Eagle really that much better than the Flanker in terms of kinetic though ? iirc, the Flanker beat every climbing speed records set by the F-15. Those were customized versions for both aircrafts but it surely means something when we compare them in dogfight with weapon load and stuff ~
RazgriFPSB F-15 has a significant advantage in thrust to weight ratio over the flanker so it accelerates much faster and therefore can begin climbing faster. The flanker apparently has a higher top speed but it takes it significantly longer to reach those speeds
8:38 That was just beautiful! Very graceful, like an airshow "Cirque du Soleil". Your video editing is on point!
Transit thanks brother crazy to see how far this channel has come since I first started.
@@GrowlingSidewinder right?! 35000 subs in about a year is quite impressive. Keep up the great work, we'll be on your wing through year #2!
Transit respect bro.
This the best dogfight video I’ve seen yet on this channel. Really good stuff mate
Kanye’s Therapist thanks buddy. Glad you enjoyed it
My favorite video from you so far. A truly great dance. I actually didn't know the 27 was that insane at low speeds
14:14 so badass how he dodges that debris
I knew i recognized the great Su piloting, great as always Sunde, and good job Growl, did quite well with the 27, she is a great bird
Zevrock thanks bro glad you enjoyed it
Liked the information at the beginning.
Round 1 was awesome to watch and Round 2 that slow mo on the kill was beautiful.
Another great episode dude.
AvidGamer thanks very much brother, appreciate ur support as always.
It's my pleasure GS.
Ine time I did the cobra correctly and chasing plane just flew by me but I managed to snap my wings lol 😂 so it got me so mad because it was so nice seeimg him overshoot lol.
been there buddy lol been there.
For parts of those fights, it was like watching two leaves fall around each other, the flankers were suspended in the air
This is like watching Bob Ross paint
This is hands down the most beautiful video on RUclips.
A wonderful dogfight simulation, towards the fourth, fifth minute when you lost altitude, and your opponent, fuck how good he was with those turns.
thanks man, glad you enjoyed the video.
Amazing! Watching those flankers figth each other and doing that kind of manouvers in the city was a m a z i n g!
Perhaps you could try the supermanuverability with the R-73? The high alpha and small turn radius seems to suit a high off boresight missile shot. Amazing video as always btw!
Joshua Tiu ur certainly right, only problem with that is that it would be a very quick video.
Haha that's true.. maybe too good a combination at the merge
ahah ya the other guy would be dead within 15 seconds of the merge. very short video lool
ralfi did a video of AIM-9X off bore-sight vs R-73, both killed each other most of the time before they can turn a 180 after merge
@@josh_jc_cheng That's why people play WW2 sims :D
12:54 me going through life right now.
WHAT UP BROTHA...
Wow, the maneuverability of those fighters is insane. You guys looked like two leafs dancing in the wind. Great fight!
14:12 Oh, man! That slo-mo moment is outstanding!
LOL, bits of wing go flying past the cockpit. "oh that looks important". Understatement of the year, cracked me up
This video should be named ‘ doing ballet in the air with the su-27’, great vid GS was fun to watch.
thanks Tanay, glad you enjoyed the video
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He’s flying in way that minimizes damage even when he’s hit 6:23
Anyone else sad when mihi shot down brownie?
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Well done to both of you! The fly-by views were beautiful, keep them up! Not sure how your cockpit survived GS but... Wow, two great fights.
thank you man
Theres something beautifull about those fight, so elegant and smooth, like a perfectly orchestrated dance.
More Flanker stuff, this was EPIC!!!
B r o
The slow-mo of him shredding you, the near-miss, and the tracking shot as your plane fell
Cinematic masterpiece
I cant play this game because of i don't have a good enough computer, but i absolutely love this game and especially watching these videos on your channel, so keep the good work up :D
Now THAT was a dogfight. Very highly skilled opponent too. Watching these on a big screen tv is freaking amazing.
I don't know if this was Dancing With The Stars or Matrix, but was really good and pimp IMO; i think the SU-27s/33 was the russian early atempt to get a fighter plane with high maneuverability without get involved on the trust vectoring. And i think they've a really good line of fighters there.
This was super technical!!
That pull over the airfield was too risky and he almost shoot you in the first flight ..
But then again every one's an expert when they aren't the ones flying
beautiful flying I never thought SU 27 could do that kind of move
glad you enjoyed man
this is what I call a work of art. there is nothing more beautiful then 2 flankers dogfighting each other
A good example of Flankers showing off how graceful they can be. It looked less like BFM and more like a dance in some places.
''Ohh That looks important'' -Part of the wing fly away
Best dcs video in human history.
glad you liked it man
History has shown that the victors were more often energy fighters than maneuvering fighters. For instance, the P-51 and P-47 were able to maintain air superiority against far more maneuverable (and far slower) aircraft such as the Ki-43 and A6M5. In WWI, the Fokker Dr. I was the best dogfighter of the war, but was quickly dethroned since it had to be put in a defensive position to utilize its strengths. Energy fighting allows a fighter to stay in the offensive position, and dictate the circumstances of the fight. For that reason, in my opinion, energy fighting will always be superior. Now, if you can do both like an F-22 can, all the better!
“Oh, that looks important” he says as parts of his wing fly past him. Lol.
"That looks important." Lol
That looks so cinematic, almost like a Michael Bay movie right there. Great fight, I can feel the G-force from this
Wow you were cemented in the air for a bit after that risky stall. Amazing what a Flanker can do. Truly the ballerina of the sky. But that's more like the SU-37
It's impressive however what it makes up manuverability. It's very easy to tag them.
I came here to watch a fight but left saying that's a great dance by two love making birds as David Attenborough puts it on documentries. Great show by both Growling and other guys.
Glad you enjoyed man
That’s so beautiful dude! Просто замечательно!
You are doing art right there man. Some art is really underappreciated. Absolutely captivating.
14:18 broooo that pass... Its so satisfying it qualifies for a movie trailer
You’ve done it again buddy awesome film like action and great tac view, love the content and great to see how you manage to keep it fresh, the way you guys control the action...well done thnx
thanks very much man, I appreciate you taking the time to watch thank you for your support.
Effective, not effective...one thing’s for sure...super maneuverability is gorgeous!!
agreed brother
7:25 So, I'm watching this and only have one thought in my mind: "I am a leaf in the wind, watch how I soar"
too soon man, too soon.
Gosh that was beautiful, a dance of power and terror a tango of death.
This was like watching the Olympics gym floor routine the girls with the streamers do. But 100% cooler
Amazing, absolutely Incredible, the Su family have always been my favourite. Thanks more making this spectacular vid!
7:29 what the heck? well he certainly flew right by, even though energy dogfighting may or may not be more effective, this supermaneuverable ace combatish dogfights look awesome , i wonder how it would work against western fighters
Great video. This dogfight was next level skill, huge respect to you and your opponent 👍👍👍
Marcus Caballerro thank you very much glad you enjoyed it
Amazing job, not only you do great videos and your voice is just so calm and easy to listen to, but you obviously are great pilot with a lots of skills, knowledge and experience... I admire you, my hats off! Subscribed!
III F S III thank you very much for the kind words and welcome to the channel.
Me: "Okay let's get ready to merge here."
The Sukhoi: _Has already done a 180._
Content! All right! Good fight! We're going ballistic, mav!
great balls of firee
Such a beautiful video! I really love these airframes. You had done a great job demonstrating the capabilities of these Sukhoi jets
This is the BEST DCS channel hands down.
Ash Bukhari thank you man ur too kind
Wait..I just got a notification for this like 1 minute ago. I wish it actually showed me the video when it was first uploaded. But regardless, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna enjoy the video.
I just released it boss, It was originally released for early access to patrons I appreciate you having notifications on tho. at least we know theyre working for once.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Ohhh okay. Good to know. I wish I could support you with patreon, but I'm kinda low right now. :/
no problem bro, I appreciate the thought tho, very kind of you.
I was confused, too, because the date says today but there are older comments.
Anyway, great video! Recently got into DCS and your videos most certainly help with the learning curve.
I would love to see the Su-33 go head to head against the Su-27 to weigh pros and cons of the heavier -33 with larger wing surfaces against the lighter and more nimble -27. Part of me thinks that while the -27 will corner better the -33 might handle the stall manuevers better having better lift with the larger wing surfaces.
Appreciate the videos, GS. Thanks!
@@apersonontheinternet8006 The 33 would be marginally better in the inital 90 degrees after the merge, after that the 27 would be able to pull more AOA and bleed less speed. Advantage 100% lies with the 27 imo.
Jaw dropping moves in this one - by both pilots! Great flying guys.
We need an SU27 vs F22 dogfight. That would be glorious.
Hanif Shakiba yeah, in his previous videos against F22, he's always getting himself killed because F22 turns so much tighter
Su-27 would get smacked down like nothing.
F22 was built specifically to defeat Su-27
Rzr2ffe The F-22 was built to be the most advanced fighter in the world, which it is. We already have aircraft that can deal with the Su-27.
@@SIoyvenheaven1T800m101 What about Su-27 vs F16 or Su-37 vs F22?
12:44 - “Oh that looks important.”
Lots of great one liners after too. Lols
"That was a beautiful dance of the Sukhoi's right there"
Me watching the third person perspective footage:
"Looks like a drunken russian knife fight"
Sweet. Loved the exterior view editing, keep that up please. Cool vid idea su vs F- 16 or f-15
Best DCS vid I've seen to date.
You should defintetly give this one a re-run, you're so much better than you were 3 years ago I'd love to see it!
Thanks for the video from your Russian subscriber. Amazing low speed dogfight
gonna be showing the russian planes a lot more love in the near future hopefully.
Growling Sidewinder that would be great! Wanna see f-15 vs su27 dogfight if it's possible. Thank you
The swan dance of the flankers - some may call it a ‘mating ritual’ :D haha crazy moves to be made with this plane!
This looked more like two birds doing a beautiful mating dance than two planes engaged in a fight to the death.
this was fuckin sick man and the breakdown of both dogfights was super cool.. good work. subbed for sure.
thanks man and welcome to the channel.
Damn brother you can fly!! I love your videos buddy! You stay all cool and collected, and it’s awesome
Russia chose maneuverability because fancy air show maneuvers sell aircraft to politicians who make the decisions and maneuverability is a relatively inexpensive feature to incorporate in a design. USA chose energy retention because it wins in air battles and they have a history of successful energy based designs so they stick with what works. Another key deciding factor is that the radar limitations of Russian aircraft often forced a close in fight anyways at the time, if they survived long enough to get close then other measures could be taken to try to gain an edge, such as off bore sight targeting and weapons and an option to try to use passive sensors for an ambush. Extra maneuverability was seen as also adding to that edge in a close range fight.
now that's pretty accurate. yes it is.
7:30 That was a beatiful Stall!
"I'll hit the brakes. He'll fly right by."
Wow, I was leaned over watching closely on my screen and on the edge of my seat the whole time. Great fight!
Everybody gangsta until Mihaly A. Shilage shows up with his Flanker doing PSMs
The opponent was as great a pilot as you are...
HI GS, Great video ... The slo-mo of your wing coming off was too cool.
I would of loved to have seen this against another plane , 14 15 18 against the 27
maybe that can be the next video
@@GrowlingSidewinder EM vs. supermaneuvers. It must be done.
@@GrowlingSidewinder And would be nice to test the ''american theory'' which you mentioned in the begining, that the wingman would always get the enemy with the low kinetic energy. Ofc 2v2, 2 SU27 vs 2 US fighters from that era.
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Here is a old fight you may watch from the PVP servers awhile back but I kept my speed up higher
You'll be pleased to hear that I got my new PC late last week - had DCS World on Friday and the SU-27 on Saturday am. By third take off was trying the supermaneuverability! F@#k! Amazing! Lot to learn though... Thanks for the inspiration to get DCS World and the Flanker....... Best, Pete.
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Fascinating. I fly the Flanker all the time online, but I rarely get into a situation to use the full extent of the maneuverability of it like this.
yes its very rare, does happen from time to time tho.
In the 90's a swedish fighterpilot said to me that the Su27 had power beyond it's own neck. He said he had seen them start, with maximum payload and go almost 90 degrees right up after given air under it's wings and keep accelerate. Now they newer models have even more power.
It’s crazy how okay this plane is at low speeds. It never ceases to amaze me
I think you perfectly demonstrated why us don't use this sistem because if it's there pilots will use it and it may not pay out as well,I find you quite experienced in dogfighting but in the second fight you got a little to comfortable with that cobra and it's such a crazy thing to do it ends up being something you immediately think of in a high stress environment and as a result to that you get shot down, love the SU and these dogfights are so graceful very enjoyable vid man thanks
What an amazing fighter!!! I can't believe how fast they can 180° in a turn!!! You would think that you crush your pilot turning that hard and fast!!! AmAzInG 👌👌👌
I can understand why US decision-makers didn't go this route. If the pilot uses supermaneuverability wisely, it's very effective 1v1, but there are a lot of ways to get it wrong and die. It sounds easier to train hundreds of pilots to use the F-15 to its full potential than to do the same with the Su-27.
i wacthed this 3 times its like a movie man good job!
thanks brother glad you enjoyed it