This was a totally fair competition because both cars were blue! Would an engineer ever put a mechanic in a compromised situation?! 😉 This was a lot of fun to put together and a nice change of pace - hope everyone is enjoying the holiday/weekend, happy Friday!
In another video: Mechanic vs Engineer - Designing an engine assembly with thermal, fatigue, emissions and manufacturabilty analysis - Result may shock you **NOT CLICKBAIT**
Especially when it means you make your company get a high bullish market, no recession, and an initial public offering where people bet until you officially are a public company meaning normal people can invest in you.
Jason cheated. Dropping the drain nut in the oil bucket and then fishing it out is a must when changing your oil. He completely missed this entire step. Amateur.
Are you sure Richard? I was under the impression that you only drop the warm ring and pinion gears of your race car into the drain bucket during qualifying for Le Mans where you can not alter the gear ratio. After checking what "that noise" was, and finding noting wrong, you simply re-assemble the diff with the cold gear set you accidentaly found in the drip pan...
Love the collaboration! I'm on the mechanic side of this battle. Although I like to drain the oil as long as possible. I left my Miata on the lift for 3 hours while it drained. It was a slow day and we had a free lift.
i try for best change possible cleaning where filter gasket was on engine putting a couple ounces of new oil in engine to rinse out oil in nooks and crannies and pre filling filter
Okay Jason wins with the "is this what flat rate feels like?" comment lol, holy crap that got me laughing hard. Now I think back to David and Jack and now Paul has Duncan who I think all came from the flat rate dealership or other service department. Awesome as always Jason and love these collaborations with Charles. Met him finally at last spring's Wookies in the Woods and he is indeed a great guy and very friendly to talk to and hang out with. Thank you for all that you do. Still use your videos all the time to show folks various aspects to automotive engineering. Look forward to the next one.
As a former mechanic that is now an engineer in training, this was hilarious in so many ways. Well done guys! Also Jealous he got 4/10's for an oil change both dealers I worked at paid 3/10's and yeah its not enough time.
Wouldn't it be amazing if, all around the world, we could have different people with different backgrounds and different ways of thinking who not only respect each other but relish learning from each other....?
This would make a great event for deciding the FIA, F1 constructors championship. Can you see Toto Wolf vs Christian Horner changing the oil on the F1 safety car or Medical car for points in the competition. Great fun!
Good competition but I think you should include running the engine and checking the level as part of the time. That can be a very time consuming part. Especially if the dipstick happens to be french. They will make the dipstick the same colour as the oil and have the dip stick go through the filler neck. Could also be a electronic dipstick that needs to driven for half a hour before checking. Then you need to reset the oil service light which could take another 15 min depending on the procedure. Suddenly as 12 min job becomes 1 hour easily.
Get a Fumoto oil drain valve for the Subaru! I've been using them for years. Between the oil filter having been moved up top and the oil drain valve oil changes are a snap!
In that 24 minutes he talked about, that includes replacing the sticker, maintenance light, checking tire pressure, air filter and usually topping of fluids. Most places I've worked actually paid less time than .4 of an hour.
I’ve owned cars like the Crosstrek where the oil change is a breeze. I’ve also owned cars like the R32 where it’s a lot more involved. Kudos to Subaru for making it easy on the Crosstrek.
"Pound-feet" YEP! There's the engineer! The rest of the world uses "Foot-pounds" even though that means something else. Thank you for sharing and stay safe!
4:20 - As a fellow engineer, I hate to point this out, but TI-83+ is what STUDENTS use in high school now... 4:41 - That huge beard is DEFINITELY a drawback, for a mechanic. I bet he's picking road grime and rust out of it ALL THE TIME. 5:14 - The mechanic didn't let the oil all drain out; didn't even wait for the STREAM to stop. :-\ 11:00 - He has a perfect fleet: WRX + Miata. Only thing he can't do is haul sheet goods.
An oil change is always an opportunity for inspection I believe lifting the car is more realistic also if like to see a rematch with an 2014 Highlander
Id like to participate. I have an infiniti i30 and can reach the filter and drain plug from the passengers wheel well. Draining the oil is the hardes part for me.
I haven't seen a replaceable paper filter be under the car before. Both of my cars that had one literally had it on top of the engine which is good and bad. Good because it's easy to get too and you can definitely tell if it's leaking from their. Bad because if it does leak it falls onto a hot engine and sometimes takes forever to put back on with a wrench
You should do a brake pad replacement race. I did my old F150 back i the day in under 10 minutes using air tools out of necessity. I wasn't trying to race, but i had pads in the truck and 10 minutes before i had to be somewhere. Pulled in my buddy's tire shop bay, used an air jack and impact and was back on the road with a minute or two to spare lol.
I challenge the engineer... come to my shop and we will use the same equipment on the same vehicle using the same lifts. This was not a controlled experiment. 1: the vehicles were different and had different steps 2: the vehicles had different drain times and fluid capacities 3: filter locations and styles were also different adding time for the mechanic 4: the undercar dust cover: one vehicle had one, the other did not I cannot as both a mechanic and an engineer accept this as a proper survey of speed/efficiency/skill/knowledge. I propose a new challenge
I'm no engineering genius like Jason, but shouldn't you have removed the oil fill cap before draining the oil, allowing for it to flow faster? I've always done changes that way.
Now I'm going to have to do an oil change video to see how fast mine is. My plug and filter are both passenger side and I can also do it without lifting the car.
Hi Jason, Good to see you doing practical work. As I did feel your theoretical topics where a bit limited to rich mans toys. And for the automotive theoretical topics I did think the youtube channel Driving 4 answers did a much better job.
The engineer needs a calculator to figure out 7/8=.875... The machinist already knows that. The machinist gets a lot of mileage out of teasing the engineer.
I think EE didn't finish. He still needed to pour the old oil from his oil pan into a container to be recycled. Should be time penalty for spilling any.
Lol! Yes! Blame their manager who wanted the oil filter design done yesterday and just informed the engineer today... Guess I'm slapping a cartridge upside, in behind the wheel well then!!
@@JohnnyReb2000 lol... and once you get it off, oil drips all over 7 different parts!! 😂 I do love my VW's top oil filter cartridge design... I'm not sure why anyone still uses canister filters anymore.
The smart engineer would have used his Tesla Model 3 for this challenge and won by default for having the most “highly optimized vehicle for changing oil”.
As a former mechanic and currently an engineering student, I appreciate the friendly competition. And as a former VW owner and current Subaru owner, I know why Jason won.
Can’t forget the fact that the filter on the Subaru is a sealed unit. The VW uses a cartridge filter with multiple Orings that needs to be replaced. Between the filter, skid plate and using a lift its a no brainer the VW took longer
@@rkan2 same... Use a marine pump, suck all the oil out of the dip stick tube, replace the cartridge filter on the top, and pour new oil in. No need to jack up the car, remove the belly pan, remove the oil plug, or replace the crush washer. If I was racing... It'd be a 4 minute job.
What is it like going from mechanic to engineer ? Is it hard ? Why don’t most mechanics do this instead of moaning how crap they are treated in Main Dealers ?
@@MisteRfleX53009 you don't want to change oil with car hot and no matter what i try from aluminum foil over exhaust or funnels oil spills all over exhaust gets in heat shield and gives you burning oil smell for a week
This is second nature do the mechanic though he will know some of if not all of the bolt sizes by eye and all different tricks for cars that you wouldn't learn unless you've done it a lot. He wouldn't even have to think
EVERY Engineer should be FORCED to take apart and put back together, including repairs, EVERYTHING they design. You'd see a LOT better engineered products!
What about the engineers who actually worked as mechanics before? Also, it is not the engineer in most cases, but the finance guy or project controller who thought it is a good idea to make things complicated just for the sake of a few cents. Engineers can make great products, if one lets them. (Power engineer, who worked as a linesman)
This was a totally fair competition because both cars were blue! Would an engineer ever put a mechanic in a compromised situation?! 😉 This was a lot of fun to put together and a nice change of pace - hope everyone is enjoying the holiday/weekend, happy Friday!
Well, my car is grey so I’ll tell my garage they should be able to do it under 6 minutes 😁.
If not they may consider hiring an engineer! 🤪
😃😃
My take-away from this: If you want to own a German car, be prepared to spend more time working on it. 😛
In another video: Mechanic vs Engineer - Designing an engine assembly with thermal, fatigue, emissions and manufacturabilty analysis - Result may shock you **NOT CLICKBAIT**
LOL...🤣🤣🤣
"Engineers would rather win, than be good at something." So many things just became so clear.
I was amazed how true this statement is lol
Especially when it means you make your company get a high bullish market, no recession, and an initial public offering where people bet until you officially are a public company meaning normal people can invest in you.
@@Brandon-xe2se best about it, it true for any kind of engineer.
I think this statement deserves to be on a t-shirt
@@davidebacchi9030 haha I agree!!
I think we should do another challenge!!!! as long as I don't have to math and math. LOL
You can use siri as your calculator while your hands are dirty
@@xilnes7166 300IQ level thinking there... I like it
@HumbleMechanic A vacuum oil extractor goes a long way on the VWs! No lift/ramps/jacks and no removing the drain plug! I love my mkIV TDI wagon 5spd 😃
Just break out a white board!
I am an engineer but i just ask Siri to do the conversions for me 🤣
Jason cheated.
Dropping the drain nut in the oil bucket and then fishing it out is a must when changing your oil.
He completely missed this entire step.
Amateur.
He also forgot about getting oil to run down his arm inside his sleave 😅
Are you sure Richard?
I was under the impression that you only drop the warm ring and pinion gears of your race car into the drain bucket during qualifying for Le Mans where you can not alter the gear ratio.
After checking what "that noise" was, and finding noting wrong, you simply re-assemble the diff with the cold gear set you accidentaly found in the drip pan...
Absolutely right. You have to lubricate the drain plug.
Love the collaboration! I'm on the mechanic side of this battle. Although I like to drain the oil as long as possible. I left my Miata on the lift for 3 hours while it drained. It was a slow day and we had a free lift.
At what point did it stop dripping? By the first hour?
Three hours! Every. Last. Drop. Admittedly, I wait a bit longer when it’s not a race haha.
BMW would void your warranty if they saw this video. 😂
i try for best change possible cleaning where filter gasket was on engine putting a couple ounces of new oil in engine to rinse out oil in nooks and crannies and pre filling filter
Warm oil. Drained in 15 minutes....lol then put water hose in it
Okay Jason wins with the "is this what flat rate feels like?" comment lol, holy crap that got me laughing hard. Now I think back to David and Jack and now Paul has Duncan who I think all came from the flat rate dealership or other service department. Awesome as always Jason and love these collaborations with Charles. Met him finally at last spring's Wookies in the Woods and he is indeed a great guy and very friendly to talk to and hang out with. Thank you for all that you do. Still use your videos all the time to show folks various aspects to automotive engineering. Look forward to the next one.
As a former mechanic that is now an engineer in training, this was hilarious in so many ways. Well done guys! Also Jealous he got 4/10's for an oil change both dealers I worked at paid 3/10's and yeah its not enough time.
I used to get .3 for Subaru oil changes and it’s brutal, .8 for oil change + rotate + balance tires
Two of the coolest car enthusiasts on the web.
Wouldn't it be amazing if, all around the world, we could have different people with different backgrounds and different ways of thinking who not only respect each other but relish learning from each other....?
No drain plugs were harmed in the making of this video lol
P.S. turn the bottle for a faster pour haha.
At 9:45 the subtitles say "Current step: Drive off the ramps"... in a car with no oil!
My Tesla has an 8 quart oil pan, still haven't found the drain plug though.
You have to pull the pump to drain the drive unit.
@@dannelson6980 I'll try that. Maybe I'll put a new air filter in it while I'm in the garage also.
This would make a great event for deciding the FIA, F1 constructors championship. Can you see Toto Wolf vs Christian Horner changing the oil on the F1 safety car or Medical car for points in the competition. Great fun!
Use an oil drain plug valve like Fumoto and save even more time plus no oil spill on the floor. - Jim
Good competition but I think you should include running the engine and checking the level as part of the time. That can be a very time consuming part. Especially if the dipstick happens to be french. They will make the dipstick the same colour as the oil and have the dip stick go through the filler neck. Could also be a electronic dipstick that needs to driven for half a hour before checking. Then you need to reset the oil service light which could take another 15 min depending on the procedure. Suddenly as 12 min job becomes 1 hour easily.
Just saw Jason on Jay Leno's Garage! On 'Stump a Car Nerd". It was great!
More general maintenance would make a good series. Brakes, tires, or even something more complex like swapping suspension components
this is awesome and fun. At 04:01 this just killed me 😂 I didn't see this coming. Next in the competition, well depends what type but I can join.
Get a Fumoto oil drain valve for the Subaru! I've been using them for years. Between the oil filter having been moved up top and the oil drain valve oil changes are a snap!
That was fun, since I'm an engineer I'm glad you won. 👍
Have to admit, not having a super low car that you need to jack up/use ramps does make it less of a chore.
As it stands...neither side has completed the service and the clock is still running 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In that 24 minutes he talked about, that includes replacing the sticker, maintenance light, checking tire pressure, air filter and usually topping of fluids.
Most places I've worked actually paid less time than .4 of an hour.
Tire change,
Sparkplug change,
Wiper change,
Headlight/tail light bulb change.
Super entertaining. I haven't laughed and smiled this much during a RUclips vid in a long while, at least that I can remember. I won't forget this.
I’ve owned cars like the Crosstrek where the oil change is a breeze.
I’ve also owned cars like the R32 where it’s a lot more involved.
Kudos to Subaru for making it easy on the Crosstrek.
Next up - who can replace their head gaskets the fastest?
'Your tools have been superior'.... enough said! ;-)~
So funny! An engineer and a mechanic walk into a... really appreciate the humor. Happy Holidays!!
"Pound-feet" YEP! There's the engineer! The rest of the world uses "Foot-pounds" even though that means something else. Thank you for sharing and stay safe!
The rest of the world uses Newton-Metres! ;-)
LoL when I got my car to change the oil they took over an hour and a half, pretending to find other things to change
I was routing for you the entire time Yayson.
Seeing the Engineer fumble with the drain plug makes me glad my Subaru had a Fumoto valve. I could do an oil change in 2 1/2 minutes.
4:20 - As a fellow engineer, I hate to point this out, but TI-83+ is what STUDENTS use in high school now...
4:41 - That huge beard is DEFINITELY a drawback, for a mechanic. I bet he's picking road grime and rust out of it ALL THE TIME.
5:14 - The mechanic didn't let the oil all drain out; didn't even wait for the STREAM to stop. :-\
11:00 - He has a perfect fleet: WRX + Miata. Only thing he can't do is haul sheet goods.
You should try do it with the same car next time. Is more easy fast and confortable in the subaru.
Waiting for the mechanic to use "ugga duggas" as a measurement. 😆
The Miata against the Mk 7.5 R, which Charles using the siphon method! :D
Really surprised that you don't convert to radians for the filter like I do...
Wouldn't an engineer know the oil jug is to be rotated 90 degrees to prevent glugging and sloshing? Cmon J man. : )
You're goofy sometimes, still loved it.
You forgot getting lightheaded for a minute after getting out from under the car
An oil change is always an opportunity for inspection I believe lifting the car is more realistic also if like to see a rematch with an 2014 Highlander
Id like to participate. I have an infiniti i30 and can reach the filter and drain plug from the passengers wheel well. Draining the oil is the hardes part for me.
I haven't seen a replaceable paper filter be under the car before. Both of my cars that had one literally had it on top of the engine which is good and bad. Good because it's easy to get too and you can definitely tell if it's leaking from their. Bad because if it does leak it falls onto a hot engine and sometimes takes forever to put back on with a wrench
This was the collab we all needed. Hahahahhaa. Well done. Next should,be front brake job.
Missed the most important parts of an oil change. Tire pressures, washer fluid and oil life rest.
Great video I Really enjoy having both of you on one video and Charles your lift and belly pan cost you but you know that 😂
Let's bring the R32 vs the Miata!
:) I like it
I had no idea a time could be so obscene
I noticed you still have your crossclimate 2 on 👍
Next race: same cars with head gaskets lol
LOL -- none of my VWs still have that belly pan on them. First oil-change, I remove it and just never bother to put it back on. ;-)
Power Steering Pump Next Challenge.
Obviously, the calculator was an unfair advantage.
You should do a brake pad replacement race. I did my old F150 back i the day in under 10 minutes using air tools out of necessity. I wasn't trying to race, but i had pads in the truck and 10 minutes before i had to be somewhere. Pulled in my buddy's tire shop bay, used an air jack and impact and was back on the road with a minute or two to spare lol.
Enjoyed it, thanks 👍
I've changed my oil all my life and it's not a rush job. Why rush, if you forget something, you could be replacing your engine.
It will take you 10 minutes to get most belly pans off. Next challenge should be tire rotation.
I like this collab
I challenge the engineer... come to my shop and we will use the same equipment on the same vehicle using the same lifts. This was not a controlled experiment. 1: the vehicles were different and had different steps
2: the vehicles had different drain times and fluid capacities
3: filter locations and styles were also different adding time for the mechanic
4: the undercar dust cover: one vehicle had one, the other did not
I cannot as both a mechanic and an engineer accept this as a proper survey of speed/efficiency/skill/knowledge.
I propose a new challenge
I'm no engineering genius like Jason, but shouldn't you have removed the oil fill cap before draining the oil, allowing for it to flow faster? I've always done changes that way.
I do too but I’m sure the crank ventilation allows plenty of air flow.
I take an HR when I can't find the particular tool I need.
They both missed the most important step…crack open oil cap..
Now I'm going to have to do an oil change video to see how fast mine is. My plug and filter are both passenger side and I can also do it without lifting the car.
You should have took the oil filler cap off to make the oil flow out better.
what about filling the gas tank -time /can it be done/how many drops in a gallon of gas/good test guys /thanks much
1 plug washer per cylinder lmao
Great job,👍guys! 😆
My take away is ground clearance.
Putting in coolant and purge
Wish I didn’t need to raise my car to change the oil.
Hi Jason, Good to see you doing practical work. As I did feel your theoretical topics where a bit limited to rich mans toys. And for the automotive theoretical topics I did think the youtube channel Driving 4 answers did a much better job.
Cartridge filters suck. I converted my car to take a spin-on. The filters are cheaper too, which makes no sense.
The engineer needs a calculator to figure out 7/8=.875... The machinist already knows that.
The machinist gets a lot of mileage out of teasing the engineer.
Nice competition
You could have atleast Removed all of the different Variables by both doing the same car.
So how much was that drain plug over torqued?
A solid ~10 lb-ft.
I think EE didn't finish. He still needed to pour the old oil from his oil pan into a container to be recycled. Should be time penalty for spilling any.
Step 1 install a fumoto oil valve before you go against the mechanic 🤣
HP 50g > TI 86+
RPN for life.
I hope the engines were warm
1st time I'm early enough for a question comment
...but with nothing to ask 😒
Now do engine change times
Where's the architect for scale?
I thought Mechanic and engineer are the same thing. As to get a mechanical engineering degree you need to be able to make the tools.
It's not the engineer's job to change oil. It's their job to make the oil change as difficult as possible.
Lol! Yes!
Blame their manager who wanted the oil filter design done yesterday and just informed the engineer today... Guess I'm slapping a cartridge upside, in behind the wheel well then!!
@@jasono2139, or sideways directly above the front differential where you can barely fit an oil filter wrench I needed as is the case with my truck.
@@JohnnyReb2000 lol... and once you get it off, oil drips all over 7 different parts!! 😂
I do love my VW's top oil filter cartridge design... I'm not sure why anyone still uses canister filters anymore.
The smart engineer would have used his Tesla Model 3 for this challenge and won by default for having the most “highly optimized vehicle for changing oil”.
Humble Mechanic's reply would be "Gears have oil, start changing Dude."
Here I was coming to the comment section to be all clever and mention his Model 3 . . . and I'm late to the party!
@@philipmackin1025 does the model 3 even have gears?
smort ↗
@@bcunningham3718 Well it has one. And that is engaged all the time.
I love it! This was some awesome light hearted humor. We all know Engineers make cars to be assembled, not worked on! 😆
Thanks Doug! 😂
I have to work with the techs who maintain the equipment. I learned the lesson on ease of maintenance early.
So true… would love to have an engineer work with me in shop for a week. And see some of the bs us mechanics put up with. LOL 😂
@@FixingWithFriends Old timer Engineers at Toyota, Nowdays, lets make them frequently come here ( authorised service center).
I'd love to see a video where an engineer has to maintain and/or repair a car he designed.
As a former mechanic and currently an engineering student, I appreciate the friendly competition. And as a former VW owner and current Subaru owner, I know why Jason won.
Meh, I would've sucked the oil out from the top and my VW also has the oil filter on the top like on Jason's Subaru.
Don't forget different in engine sizes and fluid capacity and viscosity.
Can’t forget the fact that the filter on the Subaru is a sealed unit. The VW uses a cartridge filter with multiple Orings that needs to be replaced. Between the filter, skid plate and using a lift its a no brainer the VW took longer
@@rkan2 same... Use a marine pump, suck all the oil out of the dip stick tube, replace the cartridge filter on the top, and pour new oil in.
No need to jack up the car, remove the belly pan, remove the oil plug, or replace the crush washer.
If I was racing... It'd be a 4 minute job.
What is it like going from mechanic to engineer ? Is it hard ? Why don’t most mechanics do this instead of moaning how crap they are treated in Main Dealers ?
Now this is what I call a Feelgood movie - the special friendship between an engineer and a mechanic.
Software engineer would spend hours programming the robot only for it to do it one second faster. 😂
Yeah but then the robot would do that 60 times and save a minute continuously while the programmers is asleep
If the robot does it without you, it took you zero time to change the oil.
That Subaru oil filter location is just brilliant. Makes things so easy and clean.
yeah my subaru has worst location possible id like to smack the engineer who made my 2012 legacy
@@ranger178 ring of fire?
@@MisteRfleX53009 you don't want to change oil with car hot and no matter what i try from aluminum foil over exhaust or funnels oil spills all over exhaust gets in heat shield and gives you burning oil smell for a week
i swapped my drain plug with a ball valve. You can change the oil in my WRX without turning a wrench nor jacking the car (if you're scrawny enough)
Only on your channel can engineers and mechanics be friends...🤣🤣🤣
Probably because Charles isn't being asked to work on a car that Jason designed!! 🤣
I dont know WHO I want to see, but a whole series of you guys working on a car like this would be awesome. Break pads, disks, clutch etc.
This is second nature do the mechanic though he will know some of if not all of the bolt sizes by eye and all different tricks for cars that you wouldn't learn unless you've done it a lot. He wouldn't even have to think
Yes, and they could each do a different side of the same car.
Basically a Japanese Engineering beats German Engineering in simplicity lol
When he said "this is a pretty straight forward vw oil change" I laughed
plenty if VWs have a filter on the top :P Also no reason to take the oil out via the drain plug unless you change your oils every 5 years lol
The Humble Mechanic and The Cocky Engineer have a better chemistry going on than all the other RUclipsr couples.
That's because they're both men.
Engineer: you don't need a lift to change oil
Also engineer: does two oil changes per year.
...not if you have a marine pump with the oil filter on the top of the motor! 😉
In all fairness, the Subaru is a genuinely easier oil change
EVERY Engineer should be FORCED to take apart and put back together, including repairs, EVERYTHING they design. You'd see a LOT better engineered products!
What about the engineers who actually worked as mechanics before? Also, it is not the engineer in most cases, but the finance guy or project controller who thought it is a good idea to make things complicated just for the sake of a few cents. Engineers can make great products, if one lets them.
(Power engineer, who worked as a linesman)
We need to rerun this competition with IROC-type rules: identical cars.