A very professional team that communicated well. I liked that this ATC explained things when communicating with other planes rather than just giving mystery orders.
Hmm I doubt that…have you been to JFK, Atlanta or Heathrow I’m sure they have more aircraft per person. I also said at night when I know there are far less aircraft landing at Austin during this time
@@jakehowie442 aircraft to controller ratio, though, I'm not sure. Many times at night, AUS has 1 controller working multiple frequencies (clearance, ground, tower). I doubt that's the case at the airports you mentioned so not sure about the workload at each respective airport.
For sure. I heard this ATC live and informed VASAviation of the situation - I thought that they coordinated and worked together perfectly, and that Southwest crew was really helpful!
So adorable was the interaction between Southwest and Envoy, the encouragement and praise given by Southwest knowing the stress and potential danger Envoy was in. Beautiful almost.
The SWA guys wishing them luck and congratulating them on the landing really touched me, just showing how much compassion and concern these pilots have for the safety of their brothers and sisters in the sky. Great work all around by all involved, this is what you love to see.
Awesome video! Glad you were able to use the information I gave you in a video! I heard this ATC live and thought that you might be able to use it. Keep up the great work!
I love you VASAviation ... This is one of the best ... pucker up and hope ... laugh and celebrate ... videos I've ever seen. The teamwork is so amazing ... the communication so professional yet relaxed enough not to be stressful ... I'm grinning ear to ear!!!
I haven't flown complex aircraft with retractable gear yet, but how much adrenaline did these guys get from not getting the landing gear green lights confirm the gear was down, Jesus Christ. Situation handled very professionally, applause all around!
Envoy4247: Aaaand.. uh tower, we’re going to go ahead and declare an emergency at this point so those guys in the comments at VASAviation don’t complain when this goes live there. Tower: Roger that. Souls onboard and fuel?
Can aircraft designers add some cameras to the bottom of the plane so that pilots can look at the landing gears themselves? I understand some planes already have cameras at the nose/tail to feed into passenger entertainment systems.
@@EdOeuna Switches, yes, but they don't always tell the whole story. These pilots got lucky with just a failure to retract. Imagine if the gear completely fell off, but the switches to retract said they were fully retracted. Chances are, they wouldn't've known anything was wrong until they reached their destination and tried to land with metal stubs where their gear should be. Better yet, there's an actual incident where a 747 leaving Anchorage lost an entire engine due to extreme gusts. Y'know what the switches told 'em? Certainly not that the engine was clean gone.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 - the landing gear will never fall off completely the point where there is nothing. Maybe the odd wheel detaching, but that’s a different story. I think that Boeing / Airbus / Embraer trust switches enough to have only switches as their main indicating system for doors and gear. This is why there aren’t back up systems to determine gear position.
I often wonder what the passengers know on these flights. I was on a short flight myself that had gear issues and the flight crew actually kept us fairly informed (in fact, if not for the announcements, I would probably have never known anything happened at all) but I understand that isn't common. On my flight, this was several years ago so I don't recall all the details, but we had just taken off from SLC on way to Boise and they actually said there was trouble with the gear, we will be delayed a little and might have to turn back but they're running the checklist. A little bit later, they came back and said the issue was resolved and we're now proceeding to Boise as planned. Only arrived like ten minutes late. I thought it was a fun little flight - the view out the window was nice and I got to see some of it twice!
Petter from Mentour Pilot says he usually doesn't say too terribly much to passengers, but enough to ease concerns. Then again, I suppose it depends on the emergency at the time. Explaining that the gear/flaps won't retract is not as bad as gear completely falling off or low/empty hydraulics.
13 pax on an evening AA (Envoy) run from Austin to Cincinnati. These airlines just throwing capacity into Austin so they can have a presence at the expense of profitability is wild.
tbh I'm slightly surprised they didn't elect to fly to DFW. by aviation standards it's the next door neighbor, they have plenty of fuel to cruise at 10k feet with gear down for 30 minutes, and have much better maintenance and connections for pax
Great job by all, but by the end the pilot has a bit of "oh crap" in his voice, so I am wondering if the gear pins were not removed. Though they should have been after push back.
That's a scary feeling for sure.... flight deck indicates no gear... I'm guessing the Embraer 175 doesn't have a manual gravity gear drop option? Or they just needed visual confirmation? The emergency free-fall extension system should exist in case of failure of both normal and alternate gear actuation systems. It is a rudimentary mechanical system operated by cables which act directly on the uplock hooks. Once the command device is actuated the landing gear should be unlocked, fall freely and be locked down by gravity.
The 175 has a electrical override switch if the landing gear lever control box fails. If override switch fails there is an alternate gear extension lever, when pulled releases any residual hydraulic pressure in the lines and releases the uplocks to free fall the gear.
If the gear handle is selected down with 3 green lights, very unlikely that it is not down and locked. The problem was the the gear retraction circuit (or pins not removed on preflight?)
The concern is that the gear may have partially retracted. It didn’t obey when they told it to come up. Why trust that it obeyed when they told it to go down?
If you command them to come up and they are still showing down and locked it makes you question whether the indicators are functioning correctly, granted they probably should be working, but then again the gear should also have come up.
@@Markle2k But then we should never trust landing gear indicators then even when there’s 3 green under normal conditions? 3 green is 3 green even if it was gravity dropped or hand pumped etc depending on the system, but it will always engage a mechanical lock to illuminate the indication. If it wasn’t locked you wouldn’t have a green gear indication, and then I would totally get the fuss. I’m just saying It would have been nice to know what his gear was indicating.
Gear not coming up is a problem because of fuel efficiency, drag, and maximum speed. You can only go so fast with your gear extended, or you risk damaging them. Fuel efficiency and drag play into each other- if you can't go the normal altitude and speed, your efficiency drops far below the normal fuel consumption and throws off the calculations. When planes are fueled, they tend to fill with normal altitude/speed in mind, meaning there likely wouldn't be enough 'contingency' fuel to make it with gear down and locked. The other commenters' points also play into it, but these are among the biggest issues.
The low flyby seemed rather pointless. The gear looking like it’s down is hardly a qualified opinion that would satisfy air crash investigators. It’s either up or it’s down with three greens.
They went real low on that first approach, at least to 30 feet. Don't they want to keep some buffer in case something happens? If they don't get power right away, for example? I thought crews in this scenario try to keep it at 100 or at lowest 50
You can tell Envoy Air employs lower paid pilots, the guy was far less assertive than the Southwest pilot. So polite too in an emergency landing. Kind of disheartening for regional pilots.
Why would you return to where you from departed for a gear failure, just fly to your destination and make a emergency landing there.. At least you dont have to dump fuel and you ar at your destination.
I had a gear situation once flying-gear was up but an indicator of an issue. BWI-ATL on airtran a long time ago. They did continue. They wanted to be in Atlanta where they had maintenance anyway. I guess it depends?
With an possible extended Gear you not able to fly as fast as you would need, to reach your destinaton. You will have so much drag, you burn every bit of Fuel, bevor you even close to the airport.
If your gear won’t come up you are limited on speed since the gear aren’t made to take the aerodynamic forces at higher speeds, and the cause has to be considered as well. If this was an issue with a separate system, say hydraulics, electronics, etc, you run the risk of that snowballing.
A very professional team that communicated well. I liked that this ATC explained things when communicating with other planes rather than just giving mystery orders.
Our AUS controllers are the best! Kind and professional
True but Austin isn’t a busy airport to be fair, especially at night. If it was at DFW or IAH, more challenging
@@jakehowie442 number 1 busiest controller to plane ratio facility
Hmm I doubt that…have you been to JFK, Atlanta or Heathrow I’m sure they have more aircraft per person.
I also said at night when I know there are far less aircraft landing at Austin during this time
@@jakehowie442 aircraft to controller ratio, though, I'm not sure. Many times at night, AUS has 1 controller working multiple frequencies (clearance, ground, tower). I doubt that's the case at the airports you mentioned so not sure about the workload at each respective airport.
Great teamwork by all involved, excellent assistance by the SWA crew.
For sure. I heard this ATC live and informed VASAviation of the situation - I thought that they coordinated and worked together perfectly, and that Southwest crew was really helpful!
The pinnacle of emergency aviation communication. Salute to all players!
That was an amazing example of proper communication and coordination. Hats off to all involved.
So adorable was the interaction between Southwest and Envoy, the encouragement and praise given by Southwest knowing the stress and potential danger Envoy was in. Beautiful almost.
The SWA guys wishing them luck and congratulating them on the landing really touched me, just showing how much compassion and concern these pilots have for the safety of their brothers and sisters in the sky. Great work all around by all involved, this is what you love to see.
FANTASTIC JOB!!! Grate ATC, calm pilots, the SWA guys helping out... Welcome to Austin! S2!!!
Stellar performance from all parties involved. The SWA crew should get heaps of praise for helping out this way. Love to see this!
Super clear radio comms on this one! Somebody has a real good antenna for recording this airport.
That would be me! I host the KAUS #1 feeds.
@@karthikmani7353 Nice!
@@karthikmani7353 Time to send your antenna and radio receiver manufacturers some good compliments on our behalf!👍
Brilliant communications From the Embraer, ATC and the Southwest B737 . Thankfully the AE made a safe return to Austin .
I don't want to brag but that Controller is my Son his Mom has been on Cloud 9 all Morning . Very Cool 😎
You have a lot to be proud of sir, and he did a fantastic job, at least to this layman's ear!
Aviate, navigate, communicate...they did it all.
Awesome video! Glad you were able to use the information I gave you in a video! I heard this ATC live and thought that you might be able to use it. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the report
@@VASAviation No problem! Have a great day! :D
Gotta love the interplay between the Envoy and the Southwest pilots. The brotherhood of the skies!
Great cooperation from everyone involved. The goal of aviation is timely, comfortable travel with professionalism by all!
I always enjoy your work. Ever since I was studying to be a commercial pilot, I read NTSB reports to glean from.
That’s the way to do it, great work all round from ATC, & all aircraft flying and on the ground.
7:25 you can hear the 30 GPWS altitude call out in ENY
Outstanding as always VASA, thank you. Windy as heck today at ORD.
Fantastic team work all around. Also, major kudos to VAS aviation for this product.
Amazing communication from the pilot 👍
Excellent 👍 I love it when a plan comes together 💗
I remember watching this flight on FlightRadar24 with a friend. Now it feels good to know what the exact problem was.
Professionals doing what thay do best in times of need. Wonderful people.
I love you VASAviation ... This is one of the best ... pucker up and hope ... laugh and celebrate ... videos I've ever seen.
The teamwork is so amazing ... the communication so professional yet relaxed enough not to be stressful ... I'm grinning ear to ear!!!
Great job by everyone involved
Warm fuzzies all around. You'd think they were Canadian by their politeness!
It's Texas. Politeness required or you won't last long down here!
Sooorry eh
0:51 Delta 816 has the smoothest voice for a pilot I’ve ever heard in my life. Sounds a bit like Bill Clinton 😂
Definitely an Ozark style accent
i loved everything about that video. everybody worked together perfectly that was way too awesome!!
Merely another routine day at the office for the Steely Eyed Missile Men of Envoy.
Austin controllers are PRO.
Funny thing is I was working on the ramp at AUS when this happened, had fueled that flight prior
I haven't flown complex aircraft with retractable gear yet, but how much adrenaline did these guys get from not getting the landing gear green lights confirm the gear was down, Jesus Christ. Situation handled very professionally, applause all around!
Oh I love this entire exchange so much
Envoy4247: Aaaand.. uh tower, we’re going to go ahead and declare an emergency at this point so those guys in the comments at VASAviation don’t complain when this goes live there.
Tower: Roger that. Souls onboard and fuel?
You don't hear non-GA traffic get cleared for the option very often!
It's been a while since PanAm and Eastern used TNT airport near Miami for the option while training their pilots.
Bill Clinton….is that you flying Delta 816?
When did Bill Clinton become a Delta pilot?
I was thinking Nic Cage, but that works too.
After Epstein was arrested. He had to find another way to get to a certain island.
@@chrissede2270 Too right brother! Captain Clinton definitely did not sleep with any flight attendants.
Can aircraft designers add some cameras to the bottom of the plane so that pilots can look at the landing gears themselves? I understand some planes already have cameras at the nose/tail to feed into passenger entertainment systems.
I wondered about the same thing.
There are enough position switches to know where everything is without using cameras.
@@EdOeuna Switches, yes, but they don't always tell the whole story. These pilots got lucky with just a failure to retract. Imagine if the gear completely fell off, but the switches to retract said they were fully retracted. Chances are, they wouldn't've known anything was wrong until they reached their destination and tried to land with metal stubs where their gear should be. Better yet, there's an actual incident where a 747 leaving Anchorage lost an entire engine due to extreme gusts. Y'know what the switches told 'em? Certainly not that the engine was clean gone.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 - the landing gear will never fall off completely the point where there is nothing. Maybe the odd wheel detaching, but that’s a different story. I think that Boeing / Airbus / Embraer trust switches enough to have only switches as their main indicating system for doors and gear. This is why there aren’t back up systems to determine gear position.
Thanks for making a video that my friend found of this ENY
I often wonder what the passengers know on these flights. I was on a short flight myself that had gear issues and the flight crew actually kept us fairly informed (in fact, if not for the announcements, I would probably have never known anything happened at all) but I understand that isn't common. On my flight, this was several years ago so I don't recall all the details, but we had just taken off from SLC on way to Boise and they actually said there was trouble with the gear, we will be delayed a little and might have to turn back but they're running the checklist. A little bit later, they came back and said the issue was resolved and we're now proceeding to Boise as planned. Only arrived like ten minutes late. I thought it was a fun little flight - the view out the window was nice and I got to see some of it twice!
Petter from Mentour Pilot says he usually doesn't say too terribly much to passengers, but enough to ease concerns. Then again, I suppose it depends on the emergency at the time. Explaining that the gear/flaps won't retract is not as bad as gear completely falling off or low/empty hydraulics.
I *love* this ATC.
Was at the airport when this happened and was listening to ATC
Good job.
This audio is so crisp.
Sounds like they are saying 36 and R. Maybe they re-measured the compass direction of the parallels. For decades it was 17 and 35
13 pax on an evening AA (Envoy) run from Austin to Cincinnati. These airlines just throwing capacity into Austin so they can have a presence at the expense of profitability is wild.
tbh I'm slightly surprised they didn't elect to fly to DFW. by aviation standards it's the next door neighbor, they have plenty of fuel to cruise at 10k feet with gear down for 30 minutes, and have much better maintenance and connections for pax
Definitely a good idea not to go all the way to DFW and just return to airport of departure.
took off with over 13k lbs of fuel for like 15 passengers, classic Envoy
Great job by all, but by the end the pilot has a bit of "oh crap" in his voice, so I am wondering if the gear pins were not removed. Though they should have been after push back.
There is a fix called PayDay !? How joyful it is 🤣🤣
That's a scary feeling for sure.... flight deck indicates no gear...
I'm guessing the Embraer 175 doesn't have a manual gravity gear drop option? Or they just needed visual confirmation? The emergency free-fall extension system should exist in case of failure of both normal and alternate gear actuation systems. It is a rudimentary mechanical system operated by cables which act directly on the uplock hooks. Once the command device is actuated the landing gear should be unlocked, fall freely and be locked down by gravity.
The 175 has a electrical override switch if the landing gear lever control box fails. If override switch fails there is an alternate gear extension lever, when pulled releases any residual hydraulic pressure in the lines and releases the uplocks to free fall the gear.
This is my second favourite Austin Powers!
If the gear handle is selected down with 3 green lights, very unlikely that it is not down and locked. The problem was the the gear retraction circuit (or pins not removed on preflight?)
There was a hawker that over ran the runway at aspen (ase)
Hola!, desde Almuñecar!
Saludos, Ruben.
The most amazing part of this is Delta 816 is being flown by Bill Clinton
I'm pretty sure it was Bill Clinton piloting that Delta 816
How do you get the replays for the plane and other planes around it like that?
I make it
Unless Austin got new runways should be 17 and 35. Should be 35 L and R not 36.
Is gear not coming up considered an emergency? Not coming down for sure, but if he had 3 green down and locked, what would be the concern?
The concern is that the gear may have partially retracted. It didn’t obey when they told it to come up. Why trust that it obeyed when they told it to go down?
If you command them to come up and they are still showing down and locked it makes you question whether the indicators are functioning correctly, granted they probably should be working, but then again the gear should also have come up.
@@Markle2k But then we should never trust landing gear indicators then even when there’s 3 green under normal conditions? 3 green is 3 green even if it was gravity dropped or hand pumped etc depending on the system, but it will always engage a mechanical lock to illuminate the indication. If it wasn’t locked you wouldn’t have a green gear indication, and then I would totally get the fuss. I’m just saying It would have been nice to know what his gear was indicating.
With three greens then the gear is down and locked, regardless of the gear handle position. There isn’t any doubt as to where the gear is.
Gear not coming up is a problem because of fuel efficiency, drag, and maximum speed. You can only go so fast with your gear extended, or you risk damaging them. Fuel efficiency and drag play into each other- if you can't go the normal altitude and speed, your efficiency drops far below the normal fuel consumption and throws off the calculations. When planes are fueled, they tend to fill with normal altitude/speed in mind, meaning there likely wouldn't be enough 'contingency' fuel to make it with gear down and locked. The other commenters' points also play into it, but these are among the biggest issues.
The low flyby seemed rather pointless. The gear looking like it’s down is hardly a qualified opinion that would satisfy air crash investigators. It’s either up or it’s down with three greens.
5 hours of fuel with 11k pounds. Someone needs some remedial math and FOCUS training.
Is this a reupload?
Negative
@@VASAviation excellent phraseology xD
That’s shitvoy for ya
Gear Pins---- Remove Before Flight
That's not necessarily what happened.
@@PetrolHeadBrasil (methinks that's the joke, fam)
They went real low on that first approach, at least to 30 feet. Don't they want to keep some buffer in case something happens? If they don't get power right away, for example? I thought crews in this scenario try to keep it at 100 or at lowest 50
You can tell Envoy Air employs lower paid pilots, the guy was far less assertive than the Southwest pilot. So polite too in an emergency landing. Kind of disheartening for regional pilots.
Why would you return to where you from departed for a gear failure, just fly to your destination and make a emergency landing there.. At least you dont have to dump fuel and you ar at your destination.
I had a gear situation once flying-gear was up but an indicator of an issue. BWI-ATL on airtran a long time ago. They did continue. They wanted to be in Atlanta where they had maintenance anyway. I guess it depends?
More time to play with is always better + safety > convenience
With an possible extended Gear you not able to fly as fast as you would need, to reach your destinaton. You will have so much drag, you burn every bit of Fuel, bevor you even close to the airport.
oh, also seems they didn't even know if their gear was in or out too, so that's a problem in of itself.
If your gear won’t come up you are limited on speed since the gear aren’t made to take the aerodynamic forces at higher speeds, and the cause has to be considered as well. If this was an issue with a separate system, say hydraulics, electronics, etc, you run the risk of that snowballing.
Great cooperation from everyone involved. The goal of aviation is timely, comfortable travel with professionalism by all!