General's Handbook 2022 Review & Analysis - Warhammer Weekly 06222022
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Join us for another week of news, rumors and all things warhammering! This week, we are getting deep into the guts of the new GHB - what are the new rules? Who ae the winners and losers? What is this new season going to look like?
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0:00 New Battlescroll
13:30 New GHB Overview
21:30 Battlepack
1:32:11 Battleplans
2:23:00 Endless Spells
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"We're going to have a quick show!"
*glances at nearly 3 hour runtime* :D
Considering some of the shows that I have seen, that must still be below the new average, right?`:D
That was break neck give this content. ;)
It is always challenging to learn new rules. It is a lot more challenging to remember to not follow old rules.
A good point. :)
Played with the new Skaven Rules yesterday and my opponent played Stormdrake Guard as Bounty Hunters. 140 Clanrats were dead at the top of 3... fair to say I think the Bounty Hunters batallion is a bit skewed on some units. I feel the non mounted rule should also apply to this batallion.
It's ummmm...a problem yeah.
I'm with you there, hordes get decimated by mounted BHs right now haha.
You need to sell "Hat On A Hat" merch.
To the Merch Designer! ;)
Except a few issues here and there, the rules team is getting better and better stuff out there. I'm exited for the future of aos
They still need to hire an editor and proof-reader. Stuff slipping through the cracks that really should (1 in 10 clanrat banners anyone?)
We're improving and that's good!
@@warpstoneenjoyer8293what's up with the banners?
Seraphon change strikes me as future proofing against clouds of skinks getting to negate bounty hunter bonus
eh I mean it's not hard to kill skinks as at best thay have a 5+ save (i lterally use them as road bumps). honestly this will just push people to just not run skinks and probably just run knights instead and just go full bountyhunter.
Hard to say.
"Why did your sound just changed Tyler?" Really could feel the hours that Vince spent on making the show audio quality top notch ! I have been rewatching some older episodes and it has really paid off, night and day in quality.
It was a horrifying moment.
Gallet--The best an infantryman can get!
:)
Totally Agree with Vince regarding at 1:40, super feelbad for people without access to lots of armies
Thank you!
1:43:20 Vince = Champion of the people!!
Always.
Take a shot every time Tom says something is "fine".
Oh god, please no, people will die.
Awesome. Looking forward to jumping in on the action this season.
Excellent!
Thanks for the review. Very helpful indeed
Glad to help brother. :)
Great show as always, guys!
HARD agree on the next GHB not being such a dramatic change to the game, because if the game is turned on it's head every 6 months 80% of the playerbase won't be able to keep up with it. (Myself included)
Really looking forward to the Skaven show next week, I was building Plague Monks while listening! Not sure if my plans for a Pestilens list with both GV & BH Monks will work well in the new battlepack, but I'm not exactly out to win GT's anyway. :P
Absolutely~!
Love the channel. Super new and the Nighthaunt review sold me to the game and faction. Would love a welcome to the game 2022! There's so much stuff needing context!
To add - I love the discussion setup. Different views make life great. Keep it up!
Thanks!
That moment Vince praises the battlescroll but doesn't realize boingrots also rally on 4+s. 😅
Oh, I mention the challenge, but you aren't wrong.
About the Khorne, few things over here:
It says that you can spend one or more blood points for ONE reward from table
also later you can choose 2 or more points to summon AT THE END OF MOVEMENT PHASE
So technically it allows you to spend some points in reward table AND ALSO for summoning at the end of movement phase as it is not restricted by any matter (also you need to be able to afford it).
Please spread the words.
There are so many questions people will have around this, I kind of hope they just provide a good FAQ answer to clear it all up.
Tom mentions something about Geminids spreading disease in Nurgle. How would that work? The rule says "within 3" of any friendly Maggotkin of Nurgle units". I don't think that applies to Geminids (it's not a unit and doesn't have keywords).
EDIT: figured it out, the Rotbringer Sorcerer warscroll has a specific rule that makes endless spells count as friendly Maggotkin of Nurgle units for the purposes of disease.
Yep, you got it.
Vince: Casual players are going to have a really bad time with this spell.
Tom: I know, isn't it great?!
Yep who needs casual players - lets crush them out the hobby!
Thank you. :)
For lengthwise deployment, make both of them the day 2 and flip the mats around the night before.
Got 'em!
Necropolis Stalkers moving to Battleline might get me to put together an OBR army. I want to put 18 of those things on the field, whether that's a good play or not.
I love the necropolis stalkers
Sounds awesome to me.
15:00 totally correct. This was TOO big of a change.
It was a heck of a swing, we are going to talk about it in detail in a future show.
really like this breakdown , the synthesis of the possible meta.
Really wondering if I should finsh off the other 20 chainghast I've got to go 2 by 20 in EC
Oh yes, they are money.
Thank you vince for defending casual players against the johnnys. Let people use their rules!
Joking aside, he was right. I have a lot of concerns about the state of the game, the scale of complexity, and the pace of change from the POV of casual players.
@@TylerEmerson We will persevere. We will find the fun none-the-less
@@TylerEmerson Agreed, thank you Tyler and Vince.
I will always try to keep the Casual as my lens through which to view this game. :)
Am I missing something? On both the grand strategies and battle tactics it states “you must select 1 from the list below …” So according to that you can’t use the ones from your tome.
The earlier battlepack allows them in the early rules.
Question: if I have a unit of 20 grot stabbaz In the expert conquerors battalion, and the unit gets wiped out, if/when those models come back via my loonshrine, are they expert conquerors again or just GV?
New unit, no longer in the battalion.
also I wonder if faction battle tactic need to go through what secondaries in 40k have just had , reprinted in GHB with a standardised difficulty
I mean, we need to do something, I vote for bin.
Question on Bounty Hunters: Does the ability grant the damage bonus on all melee attacks or just one weapon attack. On Coach's graphics, it said an attack with "a" melee weapon. Semantics are always great grist for FAQs.
All profiles get the +1 damage.
It’s melee weapons. So the mounts don’t profit for cavalry.
@@julianhennig3579 the full text is "an attack made with a melee weapon". This includes whatever melee weapons the mount has.
Yep, all attacks, including mounts.
@@jordivermeulen2519 wow, I stand corrected then. I guess I will need to reconsider eels.
Great show as always! I really wish Proving Grounds said "control" rather than "contest." As written, it seems to do nothing to elevate the power of GV if the opponent has already capped the objective. Monster mash is also a viable counter-meta strategy.
The monster mash is interesting, good call.
There should be a core book batallion of 1-2 troops that get the 40k melee rule, name them "Veterans" or whatever. Would make a lot of units playable.
That would certainly help - they should replace the worthless core battallions with those.
Great show! Looking forward to seeing how this all plays out. Unfortunately I feel as you stated it will take 3 to 4 months for consistent players to get it all down and by that time your only 2 months out from another change. Casual players are going to struggle to keep up with all this.
This is my fear.
I'm worried for the same reason. This week was the first time I had a chance to play a game of 3rd, and I'm hoping to start playing at my local store every once in a while, but this is a lot of new stuff to digest
I know you were in a rush for this episode but it would have been I teresti g to see you guys discuss potential combos of these battleplans to make 5 game tournament packs
I think anything we rated 6 or above could be in, but yes, it's something I want to return to.
Gotrek as a Bounty Hunter... wooo-hooo let's go.
Good times.
So for battlelines drawn....
It says later in the battle.
Is a teleport "now" in the battel not later.
Meaning there are units that go "back" in reserves. But like sylvaneth that teleport.
Thats not set up later in the battle.
It is remove unit and set up again now.
So would teleport still work. Right?
No, sadly, resetting them up is still later, whether next round (which basically doesn't exist) or a few seconds, it's all later.
@@VinceVenturella that's for the fast response and clarity as usual.
I think it needs an faq or will never be played by choice.
Keep up the great work!
Cheers!
Does anyone else think the bonds of battle rules are in here as a test run. And if it is well liked will be moved to the core rules once the season is over?
One can only hope, but what do they hang it on (without GV)?
You mean I’ll be able to field the two blocks of 30 Gor I’ve painted now? Cool.
I mean...
Grinning blades getting love. Makes not taking big yellers a choice for the limited selection they have. Im feeling a castle hyper buffingt he rippaz with shamans , dobbi, and sludge raker.
I am glad to see more options as well.
Thinking a sorceress on black dragon might fit inside the lunchbox bubble... she can sacrifice for a +2, cast the sun, and fly away. Darkshards go brrr
I would love her so much if she wasn't so very, very fragile.
Hey y’all were do I find the measuring sticks?
Bulk packs at the office supply store, then you cut off 3" ;) (this is literally what I did btw, not a joke)
Nice, Do you trim down actual rulers then or do the supply stores sell full sized ruler sticks?
@@deadbonez7471 I buy 12" rulers without a metal stick, then just cut them on the 9" line (bright side, you get a bunch of 3" sticks as well). ;)
Yay Smorgan!!
It will be a banger. :)
What do you think about counter-Bounty Hunter Bounter Hunters like Annihilators? I'd be tempted to put them in a Knights Excelsior army. You can dictate, to a degree, what fights your Annihilators will take part in and they're good at wiping out other Bounty Hunter units.
They're okay, but it depends on the chafe in the enemy army and how we'll their protecting their BH, that being said, if we're talking about elite units without too much protection, the 7" drop and rr charge means you are certainly likely to take them out.
I like that GV+BH will convince people to run a couple GVs, maybe reinforce one or two but it's strictly not a horde meta. Take that how you will
It's definitely not a horde meta. :)
Makes me wonder if we won't see a combo of both EC and Bounty Hunters, where the game is about maneuvering and screening to protect your EC from your opponent's hunters and visa versa. Wish there was a way to prevent screening units from counting as Vets, tho - would help that strat a lot.
For Battlelines Drawn, I'm also really digging the setup - totally agree how bloody awful it is to set up territories, and in pickup games, my opponent and I often agree to just choose the deployment setup that takes the least amount of time to figure out. Not a fan of "no teleportation" as Sylvaneth, though! This isn't a casual battlepack - it's for tournament play; "a few particular factions lose all your cool allegiance abilities for this one game" is not conducive to a competitive atmosphere with variety in factions, and "just listbuild" essentially boils down to "don't play these factions if you want to go 5-0." That's technically an answer, but it's a shitty, shitty answer that creates huge amounts of NPE.
At least with allowing teleport, there's actual counterplay, and (contrary to Tom's statement, a bit of hope). Keep a big unit of chaff Gally vets in the back of the quarter you want to teleport to, and you still hold that quarter - if I want to invest in EC Tree-revs, that's a lot of my points dedicated to a unit that can't really do shit in offense. 100 points of EC clan rats counts as 60 models, compared to 110 points of EC revs counting as 15 models.
Oh, I think that will be part of it for sure, people leaning into splitting the diff.
Are my thralls I just painted now going to get instantly blown up because they're GV? or am I missing something
You have to protect them with non GV, so like screening with a shark or an Eidolon.
The Mighty and the Cunning surely would have been fine with a single point for killing a GV once per turn. 3 points per GV that you can score multiple times per turn seems just insane, to the point where you really wonder how they came up with those numbers and why they thought they made sense. There's even four objectives, so it's not like making one objective yours all game via the proving ground (assuming you go second every turn) really even helps you much on the score, as there's still 3 they can take that aren't impacted.
This is exactly correct.
When we were in the early stages of Warcoda, we started off by mimicking the scoring of the original battleplans. It became apparent quickly that that was a bad idea. It created too much potential for point disparity. It’s why 3 out of the project’s 4 missions ended up with the combo of two elements: standardized scoring (i.e. hold 1, hold 2, hold more, and battle tactic), and a single way per mission to gain a maximum of 1 additional victory point.
@@TylerEmerson Yeah, it feels like GW doesn't really appreciate how much impact a couple points here and there actually has, especially when access to those points is gated behind choices you make before you get to the table.
With 'Won't back down' I'm assuming Bone reapers won't be able to use the Rally command as it's a generic command ability and Reapers can't use them?
Correct.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks Vince
Curious to know how Kurnooth with GS are better than the ones wtith Scythes, the extra range and rend of the latter makes it the obvious choice to me.
Oh, you will see. That's where they get you. ;)
Mortals exceed rend on high armour, more attacks is better vs both high and low. Scythes are better when buffed to Narnia but are less versatile, less damage unsupported and make themselves a 500 point target.
I'm just going to convince my firends to play the grand strategies and battle tactics as if army specific ones didnt exist
That's what we do. It's great.
Must Bounty Hunters be non GV? Vince's slide says non-GV but the battalion description didnt specify that. Am I missing something?
Oops! Yeah GV can definitely go in Bounty Hunters.
They do not need to be - I was saying the best bounty hunters are non-GV as they can't get hit back by other bounty hunters. :)
I'm mixed on this edition. My. Current played armies are Nighthaunt, iron jaws, and maggotkin are right now happy. The army I want to start is all squigs glitz will probably not like it depending on a new book most of the army is mounted or monsters.
One can only hope we get a new book for Gitz soon.
After having played 12 games with the new GHB & S1, and watching quite a few more there seems to be 3 Type of lists now!:
Rock, Paper, Scissors:
Rock: GV spam example 140+ zombies, that comes back + Expert Conquerors! it's really strong.
(Counters Scissors by beeing too many wounds and models for them to kill off with shooting before able to take objectives, Shooting don't benefit from BH)
Paper: Elite Bounty Hunter focused Lists, tries to maximise BH and minimising GV units.
(Counters GV spam with 3 super offensive units with +1 damage against it, tend to be a bit less wounds and models and lacks screens)
Scissors: Shooting focused Lists with low drop rates.
(Counters Elite bounty hunter lists that are fewer models / wounds and less screens then before to block, it cuts the important stuff out of that list)
You find something similar or just a local trend in Sweden?
Yep, I stated the exact same 3 archetypes in the show. :)
@@VinceVenturella oh haha I must have missed that, now I feel stupid 😂😂 watched while at work so get distracted sometime.
Keep up good videos and predicting future! 😂
@@PannkakaMedSylt no, it's no issue, it's at 1:22:00 you can see our discussion btw, but I am thrilled we came independently to the same conclusion. :)
Would love for you guys to do a Kruleboyz show at some point! Great episode.
I have to prepare myself for the paint. ;)
Haven't played this idea yet but bounty hunters with 3 units of of necropolis stalkers one double reinforced combined with precision aspect for 3 damage spirit blades and 4 damage dread falchions with the Mason to cast buffs accordingly
Then the other battalion with 3 ten man mortek guard units backed up by either harvesters or crawler possibly both and arkhan to go wherever he's needed
Oh, I think it will be nasty.
Listening to new Purple Sun made me twitch like it was 8th ed WHFB
Thank you.
I have a bad feeling the destruction books are SOB and ogres. Happy for them and all but man my gitz need a new book. Overall I’m super excited to dust them off and give them a shot in this new GHB.
P.s. I’m totally with you on faction specific battle tactics. My friendly gaming group doesn’t even use them because it’s just more stuff to think about and while we aren’t super sweaty we still like to have engaging games and sticking to a universal list promotes tactical play.
It would be correct for the world we live in.
Has the six month cycle been confirmed? I've looked, and beyond suppositions about what "Season 1" means, I haven't seen it confirmed, so if anyone could point me at that it would be great. (Extremely not down for 6 month cycles)
They are referencing the Winter update
@@cmleibenguth When you say "they" do you mean Warhammer Weekly or GW?
They confirmed this will be 6 months, but we don't know the scale of the change.
Gallet is similar to Galleta, which is cookie in spanish, cant unseen that anymore
It's also pretty similar to the Galar region in Pokemon and now I'm imagining what Pokemon would look like in AoS.
Awesome.
My favourite choice for Bounty Hunters are Skeleton Chariots. 12 attacks each on the charge! For 280pts that’s 72 attacks.
I have no words
@@VinceVenturella *places one soft finger over mouth, and then gives a heartfelt stare deep into your eyes*
I know.
Honestly I think we need more battle plans that we see in thondia, I don't think this GHB went far enough in that direction. We need stuff like breaking through, or assassinating the enemy Warlord.
Love it, those are super fun.
What the hell, Tyler is actually a day walker?
Yes, and he is always on the run from Frost. ;)
my biggest problem with army battle tactics is that I don't want to have to remember other army's battle tactics.
I completely agree.
Enjoy your trip, Vince! A less dedicated host would have canceled but not you!
Never!
Skulltaker from blades of khorne is not unique in the pdf, I wonder if they forgot about it again or if the lore will change and there are now multiple skulltakers.
I assume it's more of a title now. :)
as a seraphon player with these new rules I think basicly kills skinks viability, as at best thay are only a 5+ save and thus varry squishy. instead I feel alot if players will run knight and just ignore taking GV units (except possibly guard). at least when it comes to thunder lizards, starborn I'm not so sure about though. as there may be some lists there but we suffer as most of our GV battle line is fairly squishy all things considered.
Now you get to experience what we all do.
@@goatman9998 not really as I was mostly running big dinos and skinks as screens. just means I drop the skinks for knight and my army will still mostly have -1 damage. I'll also probably go pure bountyhunter and if I need a GV unit there is always saurus guard which can be a bit tanky.tanks. honestly we are set up to do fairly well even with the changes.
I think Seraphon will still be strong, but I guess time will tell.
Really liked the short spot Vince defending the fun of all people by calling BS on shut off army’s abilities…while both power royalty rollers were smirking about it… just get good rolling through their heads… :D I get it though , you lose sight of the majority of the playing field when you living the 1% life in the hobby.
Anyway, still love all 3 of them. ;)
It's important to remember more than just try-hards play and I always keep that in mind. :)
The Mighty and the Cunning would be a much better Battleplan if it was giving 1pt per GV unit killed rather than 2: you keep the same idea but it would be more balanced...
Also, Close to the Chest has a much easier deployement than The Nidus Paths when you actually draw it: it's just a L shape with a radius, you don't have 3 radius + so many little lines to draw like the Nidus Paths.
Yes to both.
Team Tyler!
Thanks!
I Feel the BEST way Bounty Hunters would have been implemented is: Max 1 unit. (A single unit Battalion)
It would be your 1 Bounty hunter unit you wanna use really well! BUT also only 1 unit that enemy could potentially try to shut down and play around.
It would still be good but not completly make you not wanting to take GV's, People would potentially even still play GVs as your frontline but having to have a plan on how to deal with the enemy Bounty hunter unit.
Like Half it's movement/charge, Nerf it's to hit/wound, kill it before it kills you, and list goes on.
I feel having that Bounty Hunter Battalion be a single unit would have increased playable strategies / tactics, made game more interesting, while not making GVs a bad option nor Auto choice every situation.
I could have also just seen a smaller bonus, like increased 1 rend or something, there were options.
The number of times Tom wanted to shrug and say "sucks to suck" was greater then zero and I laughed every time. Great show guys looking forward to testing this GHB out
It's been interesting so far. :)
Gargants can now kick table quarters in Battlelines drawn 😆. It for sure won't survive the FAQ, but it will be funny to play with for a week
But the restrictions on kicking mean you can’t make objectives land on top of each other. So you must kick the table quarter away from the other quarters. Literally breaking the mortal realms:D
@@mryesmeatballs Even better😆
They can't because of the other restrictions on the ability, but it's funny to think about. :)
Also the realm spell has no end of duration, so it is game long.
Very funny.
So ironguts are now whacking for 4 damage
In Bounty Hunters yes.
Hi Vince Tom Tyler - Keep up the good work with the show = i love it everytime again :) - this one was amazing ----------- just wanted to share what we did with your feedback on this show = we mixed the old and the new BT'(with some minor changes) ----
GRAND STRATEGY:
SEVER THE HEAD = if no Heroes and no Monsters survive from your opponents starting army
HOLD THE LINE = if any Galetian Veteran units survive from your starting army
NO PLACE FOR THE WEAK = if no Battleline units survive from your opponents starting army
DEFEND WHAT IS OURS = if there are no enemy units in your territory
TAKE WHAT IS THEIRS = if you have more units in your opponents territory than your enemy
TAME THE LAND = if you control all objectives outside of your territory
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BATTLETACTICS:
SLAY THE WARLORD = if the enemy general is destroyed during this turn
BRING IT DOWN = pick 1 enemy monster = if it is destroyed during this turn
THIS ONE'S MINE = pick 1 enemy unit = if it is destroyed during this turn
by your general
GAINING MOMENTUM = pick 1 enemy unit = destroyed during this turn
and you control more objectives than your opponent
EYE FOR AN EYE = if 1 friendly unit and 1 enemy unit are destroyed during this turn
HEAD TO HEAD = pick 1 enemy Galletian Veterans = if destroyed during this turn by
an attack or ability of a friendly Galletian Veterans unit
BARGE THROUGH LINES = if 2 units from your starting army are wholly within enemy
territory at the end of this turn
AGAINST ALL ODDS = pick 1 unit from your starting army = if at the end of the turn it
controls an objective that is not contested by an enemy Galletian
Vetrans unit
we do not use any GS and BT's from the Battletomes :)
Solid, I like it. :)
Stonehorn beastriders bounty hunters, +1 for charge, +1 bounty hunter. Now horns are now 5 dmg on charge
Don't think they can be.. still count as behemoth
@@leighrigby3730 no they lose the behemoth as battleline so you can ring more than 4
Fantastic.. thanks for clarifying that
So, that seems alright. ;)
@@VinceVenturella during the presentation I was sitting here wondering how this was going to play out for ogres.. especially from a beast claw aspect.. but that helps.. otherwise I was looking at mournfang..
what does comping mean? and why was that such a hot button thing to say
Modifying the rules for your friend group/tournament. Depending on individual choices it might make the game better, but then people aren’t playing the same game so you can’t compare. And some people feel that effort spent on comping should instead be spent putting pressure on gw to balance better
@@mryesmeatballs thanks for the explanation! that makes more sense
Yep, exactly that. :)
Tyler you're right pallador's are going to be awesome and I'm going to run them at Gateway open and you're going to play me
Now this is a bold prediction on both your parts. ;)
@@VinceVenturella I played them at Adepticon, I'm ready
Fell bat stonks to the moon
I’m afraid that the new damage battalion will completely invalidate a lot of armies. If you can combine it with the new purple sun and just wail on a few units, it’ll be game over for armies such as SoB and Mawtribes. My only hope it’ll be changed to rend 1, or go away in January! As it is now some armies seem dead in the water!
Time is going to tell for sure.
I don't mind the 6 month changes, but there isn't enough content in GHBs to justify buy a new book every 6 months unless there is a fundamental change that gives them real value once they are replaced
That's why I want to see the other type of stuff in the winter book.
👍👍
:)
Battleplan battlelines drawn with the kurnoth hunters ability of objectives is pretty broken the entire quarter is treated as a objective
Hadn't thought about that, but yes, many armies have such things.
Which would enable both of the Sylvaneth teleports for any unit wholly within a quarter contested by Kurnoths. Which does seem a bit over the top :D
However, just turning off an entire faction's rules seems like a poor alternative.
I think I'm out. I don't play enough AoS in the first place (1-3 games a quarter) and there's just too much stuff changing for me to care about keeping up. I'll grab the Ogroids for StD at the end of the year, but I'll just stop playing for a while. Give it until the next edition.
Yeah isn't it great.... They make a game you like then tip it upside down repeatedly, like trying to build a sandcastle with a greenskin.
@@theDackjanielz I don't mind them changing and evolving to respond to balance conerns. I think the biggest blocker for me is that it's so...haphazardly presented.
To play I need the core rules, my army book, the latest GHB and then who knows how many pdfs and print outs to update and supercede my unit's stats and rules.
I need to ignore page XYZ and replace the text on column 2 of page PQR.
And I don't know what I don't know. If I missed a rules update or an FAQ or whatever I could have spent the last dozen games cheating my opponent and neither of us ever know.
Now, there's the argument that 'if you're playing casually then that doesn't matter' and...I guess? But if I am playing casually why am I playing *this game* rather than some vastly simpler ones with less buy in and effort?
@@sirbobulous Agreed completely.
We are going to do a whole show soon on complexity and exactly this fear.
I’m sure you only made it through as someone told Tyler he wasn’t allowed to talk. I’m sure he barely said a word in the last hour 😂😂
Nobody had to tell me. I knew my assignment during that last hour. :)
I plan to give him all the time in the world with Sylvaneth.
@@TylerEmerson you could have done some hobby in it…
@@spiritofgroot1999 How dare you. ;-)
4+ rally is just a horrendous FEEL BAD ability that needs to die. 6+, Sure. 5+, as some character's special ability, sure. But, overall. This is a horrible thing. While I'm on a Feel Bad rule things can we make it so that mortal wounds happen on WOUNDS roles instead of Mortals on HITS.
Agreed/
Oh good.... More bolted on rules to remember... Yay
Remember when we had 4 to 18 pages?..... Whatever happened to that.
Well, to be fair, it does replace the old battlepack, but you're not wrong either, we are going to do a show on complexity soon.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks m8, i hope you understand this is never me having a dig at you guys, im just so frustrated with GW these past few years.
@@theDackjanielz No, I totally understand. Tyler and I have some serious concerns.
I was hyped for "horde meta", but now I feel pretty mixed about this GHB. A bit of paper to the main theme's rock is fine, but Bounty Hunters seems just too much. I also really don't like the Bonds of Battle ability. The game already has a mechanic to determine range for combat attacks. Why not modify this (eg +1" reach in melee up to 3" max) instead of tacking on a completly new way that is measured slightly differently? I find this quite inelegant and it keeps bothering me.
I am a bit puzzled why so many people question the interaction between Gaze of Ghur and abilities that make a model count as multiple models for objective control. First you set the number of models a unit (including single model units) counts as, then you halve that with Gaze. A Mega-Gargant normally counts as 20, so he would count as 10 if gazed. Arguing he counts as 0 before applying his model count ability and then "countering" that ability because there are zero Gargants to count is so bizarre and a total "that guy" move. 0% chance this is meant to work that way.
Oh, I think that's how it will work, but that isn't really how it works RAW and that's the challenge, logic against RAW.
But "determining / setting model count, then modifying / halving the model count" is RAW. The only problem is that the interaction is a bit vaguely written so that you can also read it RAW as the opposite. My point is: When you have a RAW that is obviously the correct way to play, you should just ignore the other RAW. Hopefully the FAQ will settle this. But until then, every player should default to the clearly correct RAW reading.
I would not have any problem with the "shutting off army abilities" if there were battleplans for more. Like there is no magic here, sucks to be Kroak or Teclis, There is no shooting in this one etc.
Thank you!
Bounty Hunters will be too decisive against GV to change the meta into big infantri blob armies, mark my words.
With the fewest of exceptions such as chainrasps, sure.
Time will tell, but you may very well be right.
@@VinceVenturella Forgot to compliment the video, great analysis as always!
Just wanted to clarify something, because when talking about the battalions, you seemed to imply that you can take both battalions at the same time, and I’m pretty sure you cannot, you have either expert conquerors or bounty hunters but not both in the same list
Pretty sure you can include both
You can include both, but neither can be duplicated (i.e. max of 1 each).
@@TylerEmerson ok thanks for clarifying
@@hades_deathgod9496 Here's the wording just for ref: "You can include any of the following core battalions in your army in addition to those found in the core rules. In addition, you cannot include the same core battalion from those shown below more than once in your army."
That last sentence prevents duplicating Expert Conquerors and Bounty Hunters, but you can still include each up to once.
Yep, you can use both as Tyler said. :)
You can’t choose your shart in turf war? 0/10 worst mission
Indeed, realy miss there. ;)
Re: people getting upset about "comping" (whatever that even means) and not playing with the faction-specific battle tactics, there seems to just be a group of people who *insist* on playing exactly the rules as written, and who cannot accept that anyone would do otherwise. These are the same people who are shocked that people ignore the mystical terrain rules, or who are outraged that you might consider using houserules regarding the priority roll. I've had people tell me that I'm "not playing Age of Sigmar" for making a minor rule tweak in my friendly games that make them more fun for us.
w/o priority roll, you are quite removed from what AoS (Matched play) is as a game.
@@Praaguematic thank you for illustrating my point. No one said anything about removing the priority roll.
The competitive community for any wargame are full of hot takes and an awful lot of them are crapshoots. Play how you want, if you're not into into the word salad that is Matched Play, then home rule this to whatever you want. Good shit
I'm generally pretty supportive of people playing the game however they want that makes it fun for them. :)
5-6 units of 20 chainrasps.........
Easy peasey. ;)
Edit: Reply to a comment to another video ended up on this video for some reason.
The funny thing is the video I replied the orignial message to I watched June 5th, before this was uploaded >_>
There is a joke here that I am missing.
@@PannkakaMedSylt I mean, it's a great deal of well thought out analysis of some Shonen Jump anime. ;)
@@VinceVenturella HAHAh!
The change to Thunderbolt Volley is b.s.
The charge thing on SDG seems okay, and I think their cost is fine
The change to Blood tithe is long overdue
Other changes seem okay
I am going to laugh if the meta shifts to all Cavalry, except for armies like DoK that don't get a choice on non-GV battleline.
Bonds of Brotherhood will be nice for SCE Paladins and Vanquishers
Massed Bounty Hunter Vanquishers + Vandus in a Stormkeep list (fun but not optimal)
On a separate note --- have you ever played team fortress?
One of the most sought after upgrades are different hats for your character.
One such hat is actually the "Towering Pillar of Hats" or "a hat on a hat on a hat...."
As befitting such a majestic crown, it is one of the rarest in game.
SCE have some interesting times ahead. Never played the game, but I love that. :)
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1:47:30 dead on arrival scenario for a dead podcast
Indeed. :)
Playing to the rules of the game makes someone a bad person?!?!?!?!?
No one said that. It's the "ackshully" problem that's with rules as written. Do you understand?
@@trip9g have you heard of referring to “rules lawyers” in a positive way? The AoS community has a problem with players that fall on that end of the spectrum. Casually reinforcement by trend setters isn’t helpful.
Oh, was this in response to my comment about the Translocation thing. All in jest of course. :)
Played Battlelines Drawn today and can confirm it is a complete BS game if you pick up models and put them back on the board, 0/10 will never play again. There is literally no reason to play this mission unless you don’t use teleports. It will not be fine, and the people saying they’ll just build around it is BS, tailor your list to this one mission and you just screw yourself for every other mission. Remove that one rule and this is a great mission, complete garbage otherwise.
Agreed, that one rule ruins an otherwise good battleplan.
No one's going to talk about Mega Gargants auto winning 90% of matchups on The MIghty and the Cunning? Straight up 0/10, should never be in a tournament
There are many problems with that match (that being said, them against a Bounty Hunters army would be a good game, as neither side would have GV and it would just be a solid matchup with good deployment. ;) )
Vince, if you won't let your co-hosts have opinions, why do you have them on? Just do a solo podcast.
I'm not sure what you mean, is this in response to the rant or something else in the show, I highly value my cohosts opinions. We spent about 6 hours prepping for this and discussing our our opinions and making sure all of our voices were here.
@@VinceVenturella Honestly Vince, it's something I've noticed watching a lot of this series. I actually completely agree with you about your big rant - you should never take away a player's cool stuff. That scenario looks terrible. But that's not the point at all. You didn't even let them finish their thoughts and make their points. They're wrong in this case, sure, but some day they might be right and convince me that I'm wrong. That's the point of having cohosts.
It's a problem that happens all the time on this show. I can tell you prep - you mentioned it several times on the show - but it almost always seems like you have an opinion, that's the canonical opinion, your cohosts are just present so you have an audience. It feels like you're worried that GW might hear a dissenting opinion and use that dissent to make a targeted change that you don't like. It just becomes the Vince show.
If I were you I would watch this show back and count how many times you interrupt or talk over Tyler & Tom, or how many times there's dead air because you've said everything there is to say. You could use some of that prep time to allocate topics to people to lead discussion rather than just have do every topic. You could hold your opinion until everyone else has said their piece. I don't know, you're a clever dude, I'm sure you can figure it out.
I'm really REALLY interested in what you have to say on these topics, but you have co-hosts. They have valuable things to say, and I want to hear them too. I would love to watch "The Vince Show" and I would love to watch "The Vince, Tom and Tyler Show" but the "Vince Talks At and Over His Cohosts" show is borderline unwatchable. This episode is an egregious example, but it's something you do all the time to various degrees.
Thanks taking an interest and for replying. You seem like a conscientious creator and it's always really puzzling for me that this show has this problem. I think Warhammer Weekly has great information and I look forward to the next one.
@@evilfuzzydoom I will watch that, I certainly value their opinions and always try to let them speak. Here in this show, the challenge was of course being incredibly pressed for time and needing to communicate a LOT of information, but your point is well taken.
@@VinceVenturella Thank you Vince!