i watched camila cabello's cinderella so you don't have to (cinderella 2021 review) 👗🦋🎤
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
- nobody asked for another cinderella adaptation but we got one anyway. the 2021 amazon version of the tale is a jukebox musical starring singer camila cabello, and unfortunately, it sucks. in today's video we examine all of the ways the new cinderella movie failed, notably, how it's faux-feminist message comes off as condescending instead of empowering.
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The movie's plot is as if someone who doesn't know a thing about feminism tried to write a feminist story.
That's probably exactly what happened
"Ever After" did feminist Cinderella better during the freaking Renaissance than this movie did in whatever time period it's pretending to be in.
@@RebekahMartinModernJaneAusten ever after is auch a fantastic movie in every way! I absolutely Love Danielle‘s Character!
Not to mention the Queen who admits to murdering someone to get to where she was. Like was I the only person screaming “why would you openly admit to this crime. Especially when attending the ball of a foreign nation. Is she the real villain of the story? Is this foreshadowing?” But nope it turns out the queen is just an idiot who thinks she’s the smartest person in the room. Was the writers logic “she doesn’t have to hide anything because as queen she is above the law. A ruler wasn’t above the law despite what history would have us believe.
You don’t have to imagine if it was a feminist. It was written by Kay cannon. Look her up.
So the "Fairy gay mother"is literally just the "best gay friend who gave the main character support and makeover" trope
That's just what I was thinking. I guess the directors of the movie didn't think about that.
Trying to pander to the LGBTQ+ community (and POC) and instead making yet another magical gay character and black best friend character in one person. Good job.
That's exactly why it's a bad idea for the fairy godmother to be the only gay character rather than it being the protagonist
Token yet again
The fairy god mother is her gay friend, the prince is her simp. If this movie have badass male evil villain, I would rooting to the villain instead
The bit that confused me is that "seamstress" is one of the few jobs women historically could always have- it doesn't make sense that Cinderella wouldn't be allowed to do it.
Ikr, and seamstress usually associated with commoners or lower class people. Cinderella's family looks pretty loaded compared to others so if Cinderella wants to be dressmaker, she could be one but it would be embarrassing for the stepmother since it could be as an insult. IF they made the issue as class issue instead or gender, the dressmaking business plot would make a lot more sense
@@dayy4115 But that still doesn’t work given the way the stepmother treats her. She literally dresses Cinderella in clothing below her station.
It’s one thing to be a seamstress, it’s another thing to be a business woman. It’s true that being a business owner is a job that’s reserved for men, so it makes sense. I think the movie didn’t really show that very well unfortunately. Also, her passion for making dresses is just… not passionate enough lol.
Exactly! Lots of women owned businesses, and most of them were in that industry
I thought that was weird as well, it was not uncommon for women to run bussiness especially in the middle and lower class. I didn't understand why they laughed at her wanting to be a seamstress.
it's so dumb that the disney version of cinderella having a more gentle, soft personality (or all the other versions in which she exhibits those traits) are supposed to be "unfeminist". As if you can't be a feminist if you're gentle and caring
I completely agree! Why is that so demonized nowadays?
These people hate femininity. They want to masculinise women and feminise men 🤷🏼♀️
Nothing wrong with women being masculine or men being feminine. Do as you will.
But this idealisation of masculine women and demonisation of feminine women is deeply disturbing and decidedly UNFEMINIST!
I love both Disney Cinderellas (the fifties one she's smart and kind and the sequels are decent and in the second one she's witty and courageous + the bonus of the prince having a charming personality and relationship with his dad) but this is garbage
@@LaBonnieBelle Yes! Yes! I strongly agree! It's so frustrating and infuriating that society believes women should be manly and never feminine and expects us all to be manly because "OoOoOooHhhHH fEmiNinITy iS iNheRenTLy MisoGyniStiC aNd DeGrAdeS WoMEN!!!!"
It is very disturbing indeed because it implies women should only be one thing and not make our own choices. Society doesn't realize they created new gender roles and expectations which is women should be manly. Even though femininity is seen as unacceptable for both women and men from what I've seen, it's kind of seen as more acceptable in men than women so I agree with your "they want to masculinize women and feminized men" comment.
Yeah nothing wrong with women being masculine but masculinity should be a choice NOT a requirement. If there's nothing wrong with being masculine then there's nothing wrong with being feminine
And society doesn't understand that you don't have to be masculine in order to be strong.
Believing masculinity is a requirement to be strong is very unfeminist at best and obviously misogynistic.
I agree and I think it's both the fault of excessive feminism and a trap of sexism. From my experience, men have a hard time believing that a woman can be sweet and intelligent at the same time. It's assumed that the corporate b*tch is the most capable woman (now THSAT is a trope!). At the same time, recent feminism is all about displacing men by becoming like men, instead of blurring those hard lines and elevating the feminine traits.
"I'm not like other girls, I'm clumsy" -the writer's idea of how to make a character relatable somehow
Clumsiness is such a lazy character flaw as well. It's a way for the writers to make their character 'imperfect' whilst still maintaining their character's flawlessness
@@maia7395 and even her clumsiness was more of a cute quirk than an actual flaw.
"Made friends with the floor"
12 year old fanfic writers be like
@@imyourbabe0419 Do NOT BRING DOJA CAT INTO THIS 😭😭
i just found out that this movie was james corden's idea and suddenly everything just makes sense
Indeed, I'm actually not surprised to hear that it was Corden's idea, since he seems to be behind nearly EVERY failed project nowadays!
Flashback to ‘cats’..
of COURSE it’s his idea. it’s all making sense now….
Hahahaha, well that's explain everything 🙃
Anyone remember the animated movie Happily Never After? I know it’s not considered a very good film but I loved it as a kid
I feel like mainstream media is taking the idea that a strong woman needs to be loud, quirky, completely rejects help from men, and at times super egotistical. Which is kinda stupid. A strong woman can also be kind and gentle. Literally any kind of woman can be a strong woman.
I’m just kind of uncomfortable that all the “feminist” movies have the exact same maincharacter. Like literally the strongest woman I know is my friends mother. She never really speaks out loud and is always super nice. But she carries her family like a god damn champ.
Exactly
That's totally correct 👍👍
Yeah, it's really annoying and I think a big part is male writers having no clue how to write women for these films (because it's almost always a male writer/director who has these terrible examples).
I remember Joss Wheden reviewing Wonder Woman, saying how it was an example of a fake feminist main character because while she was strong and confident, one of the early scenes has her coo over a baby. To him, the fact that Diana found babies cute and got excited over them was a sign that the writers didn't understand strong women and it was the dumbest thing ever!!! A lot of women ripped into him for thinking a strong female character was only ever allowed to be loud and violent, that any feminine traits immediately made her unfeminist. That's like... the opposite of feminism.
Strong female character does not mean character that is constantly acting tough or bench pressing guys or whatever. It just means a strong, flesh-out character. Someone who has her own identity outside of guys or her family.
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what a sweet thing to say about your friends mom! i hope you’ve told her that before
Cinderella was always a strong woman in my opinion. She was kind despite the situation she was in, and she used what she had. She didn't ever show a "need" for the prince, and they had a beautiful love story. She's always been a strong woman, she was strong because she was still herself despite everything she went through.
This movie is everything nobody asked for 😭😭😭
i’ve seen truly almost every well known and adaptation of cinderella (i watch all of them one after another when i’m sick) except for this one and the one with whitney houston. there is not a single reason why i’d want to watch this based of the trailers and plot alone. it’s a skip from me
Yea I don’t why make another one.
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Can we also talk about how borderline offensive it is that the director thought that the original Cinderella story was lacking because she wasn't vocal, that she didn't have a drive? Like, excuse me sir, that is clearly a victim of abuse and she's trying to survive and you think that's the character's fault? She just wanted to go to the ball because it was a short lived freedom and not because she wanted to lure a prince... *sigh* Am I surprised? No, no I'm not.
Honestly, giving her a sewing skill and showing her trying to make something out of it is great, but trivializing the original character's struggles is problematic on so many levels...
I agree. Also, the original Cinderella is great role model because she chose to remain gentle and kind even though she was being mistreated. She didn't let the way she was being treated affect how she treated others. She was making the best out of her situation, never giving up hope. I loved that in the end of the 2015 version, she turned around and told her stepmother that she forgave her for how she treated her. She chose love and compassion over bitterness and revenge.
@@Adri-wg6kt For real! Showing a character that has felt so much pain in her life, so much hate and unreasonable anger and instead of letting it turn her into a broken individual, she consciously decides to be kind, compassionate and forgiving... Man, just thinking about it... I got chills. It's such a powerful message, really shows how kindness and hope can be life saving and literally every one ignores that?
Say it with me people:
BEING. KIND. ISN'T. A WEAKNESS.
Faulting Cinderella for not being vocal in a household where she was regularly emotionally, mentally and physically abused actually makes my blood boil. Being vocal in this situation can get you a beating or worse. Develop her personality, yes, of course, go right ahead. But stop trying to make it like she was just a dumb kid who didn't leave an abusive situation because it never occurred to her, only to later paint her like a gold digger.
Well said
Well the Cinderella 3 would probably be to the directors taste.
@@Adri-wg6kt Are you talking about the live action?
Plus as a “fashion designer”, the character’s taste in dresses is absolutely horrifying
looks like there's a good reason no one is buying them
there are so many great designers that specialize in tulle/big poofy dresses too, if that's what this movie really wanted. *sigh*
Right? Everyone at the ball clapped when seeing Princess Gwen in Cinderella’s dress and all I could think about was how UGLY that thing was.
Considering she seems to walk around in the historical equivalent of underwear I’m not surprised she’s a horrible fashion designer
@@MM-eq4nl I will say this, its a thousand times better the bland yellow thing that Emma Watson wore in the live action Beauty and Beast remake. At least I wouldn't feel ashamed of owning it.
2015 Cinderella deserves more appreciation after this catastrophe
I loved the 2015 Cinderella remake. Such an underrated adaptation, it's one of my favourite movies and the only live action Disney remake worth watching
Edit: oh Aladdin was pretty good too
@@monkiram so true
Exactly.
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It even did the ‘costume inspiration from many different times and places’ better, ESPECIALLY at the ball.
“Ever After” is way more progressive than this. Drew Barrymore literally saves herself and the “fairy godmother” is Leonardo DaVinci.
Sounds cool
But why did Drew Barrymore feel she needed a fake English accent? Especially when no one else in the movie had one.
@@paulamartin6724 Everyone in the film had an English accent in one way or another. Drew’s was just more stereotypical.
It's also more memorable. "A bird may love a fish, signore, but where would they live?" "Then I shall have to make you wings."
Not to mention that she saved the prince. And takes him to task to about the policies of the kingdom.
I kinda find it insulting, that a character who's abused is told that they're not feminist or active in their story. Cinderella didn't stand up for herself, becuase that would've meant homelessness, she stayed as a servant so that she could survive. Her night at the ball was her only chance for happiness.
I'm not against on modernizing certain aspects of the story, but it can be done without insulting past versions.
yep! the take has a great video on this. the narrative of disney’s cinderella as a “waiting for a man to save you” story completely ignores cinderella’s deliberate choices to stay positive and dream about more for herself. it’s beyond unfortunate that the holdover of 70’s anti-feminine feminism continues today.
@@seraph3m Yeah, like while she didn't fought back with speeches or punches, her kindness to the animals was what saved her. The animals made her dress when she couldn't, and they unlocked the door so she could reunite with the prince. I think is valuable for girls to see how important kindness for others can be.
YASSS!!! SAY IT LOUDER FOR PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Exactly constantly telling girls and women in abused households and relationships that you are lesser than cause you can't girlboss or wonderwoman fight your way outa the situation is tired, disrespectful, and honestly crule.
Girl boss Feminists media needs to stop pushing this rich middle class white version of feminism where all problems can by fixed by Girl powering your way outa the situation.
Yeah, not al victims can figth, the is a really good video about it's called Cinderalla: a story of victim blamming or something like that, I really recomend it
This movie literally feels like it was made during the anti-Disney princess girlboss Tumblr era of 2011.
even the fashion is giving early 2010s
Im so glad we are moving off from that reactionary time and embracing the power of femininity that the princesses can represent. I always felt bad (as a guy) defending Cinderella to people claiming that she’s automatically a bad role model as if I was talking over them, but I couldn’t stand the innate misogyny of that time’s idea of them. It’s the awful idea that the princesses are girly and kind and traditionally feminine and don’t always completely 100% save themselves (even though apart from Snow White and Aurora, most actually do save themselves, and even in those ones Snow White is highly active and skilled and Aurora isn’t the main character, the well rounded fairies are) - and so are somehow bad and bad role models. It made me so angry! The princesses can represent so many great qualities like kindness, empathy, gentility and endurance in the face of adversity alongside bravery, intelligence and fighting skills as needed/appropriate/desired. Cinderella has always been my favourite princess because I think she’s such a good role model: I strive to emulate her ability to maintain kindness and good naturedness through adversity and I think that’s a much more valuable skill and useful/helpful/applicable message for daily life than ‘she can fight herself out of a room full of bad guys’ which was the 2011 apparent ideal.
@@richardbourton4523 what does being kind has to do with being feminine? I get that you meant "tradicionally feminine", but we really need to stop associating personality traits with gender. Anyways, i agree that the delicate disney princesses shouldn't get so much hate for literally being kind.
@@babyxblue I’m a little confused, I didn’t say kindness was feminine, they don’t have anything much to do with each other, I didn’t say they did. Apart from kindness being traditionally coded as feminine, they are distinct which is why in my comment I listed them separately each time (I said ‘girly and kind and traditionally feminine’), I wasn’t nesting kindness within femininity. Kindness, sweetness and being good natured and mild are just some of the traits people look down on in the Disney Princess as part of their ‘women shouldn’t ever be even allowed slightly passive in any context even if they are an actual slave in their own household because then they aren’t a good role model’ concept, which is silly. But Cinderella and Snow White being kind is wrapped up in the conception of the Disney princesses as this one personality type that female role models apparently shouldn’t be. The idea that there is anything that a woman shouldn’t be is inherently misogynistic, and the sweet kind mild mannered girl is just as valid as any other; I wasn’t saying that women are kind specifically. I agree we should not associate personality traits with gender: I don’t; but the viewpoint I was criticising does and I think it’s wrong. I hope this comment doesn’t read angrily, it’s not meant to, I’m just slightly sad that what I said somehow came across that way because it’s the opposite of what I was trying to say.
@definitely not jade what i meant was: what you have between your legs has nothing to do with the personality you have.
Once more. A lot of recent Cinderella remakes literally miss the point of Cinderella.
Her strength is kindness and compassion,treating others with respect no matter what even when her life is at the lowest. The Fairy Godmother is,we could say,a magical being who decided Cinderella's kindness deserved a prize once and for all.
She really didn't go to the ball after a man,let alone the prince himself,she wanted a night of freedom,fun and be away of her horrible family. Cinderella is already feminist,but people don't get that,Hollywood doesn't get that.
Actually, the feminist would be the fairy
If the godmother never came cinderella would of stayed home crying doing nothing while the fairy is literally telling her "go to the ball, have fun, here have some help" and boom
And i think this is why out of all the recent cinderella remakes , the 2015 one do the most justice to the source material .
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 facts man i also think the 2015 was good
@@iatemycat5320 I have seen so many people use "would of" instead of "would have" is that how you use it in your place?
@@neenugopan I'm not English, i don't fucking know
I think the prince has more chemistry with his best friend than with Cinderella herself lmao
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To my knowledge, cinderella's theme entirely is that she remains kind and gentle to everyone around her despite being a victim of abuse. She doesn't have to be portrayed as quirky, (unbarely) obnoxious and loud to make a her a feminist. Feminism isn't only about being bold, strong and outspoken but also being gentle, kind and empathetic to those around you. Thats what cinderella is and they why animals are drawn to her. She's also learns to know her worth and throughout many adaptations, cinderella is very resilient. So this cinderella makes no sense what so ever to "cinderella" as a whole concept.
WORD! That's the point of her character and they ruined that completely.
@Tiàna Williams literally. In the Grimm's story, she forgives her sisters and mother, and through her forgiveness they also learn to be kind to ppl and ended up also have a happy ending (each sister finding a husband for themselves). There's nothing wrong with this message. So why change it to make it more "woke"
I could understand wanting to give more of a personality to Cinderella considering the Disney version is kinda bland, but being clumsy is not a personality. I think Ever After did the best job modernizing the character, she's strong willed and has feminist beliefs, but the film wasn't scared to have her be vulnerable, have her cry, she trys to please the step mother because she was hoping for love after her father died but just got negging and gaslighting instead, so when the moment at the end comes when she has the upper hand on her step mother, you feel all the more satisfied
@@cookiemocher388 the disney animated version was kind of sarcastic sometimes, its funny
Very true.
Lily James had THE MOST iconic cinderella gown of all time and Brandy and Whitney Houston Cinderella remains the most iconic
Preach, Lily's dress was so exquisite, but it must have been difficult to move in! 😂👗
Ever After is great too!
This could've been a great opportunity to bring both those things together. Great music and great costumes all in one movie, but instead, we got a jukebox musical full of prom dresses and community theater costumes
Not only was Lily James dress iconic. I believe the actress really captured the essence of the character. Plus she and the Prince has amazing chemistry. Still though, Brandy's Cinderella was the most entertaining and iconic one. Good fun.
🎶 “impossible for a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage.”🎶
I would have really liked if Ella had turned the ink into a highlight of the dress, maybe by adding more ink splotches or turning the ink into a focal point. It would highlight her skill and creativity as a dress maker, and give her agency over her problems.
But then hos could she be bailed out by the fairy god maleother?
@@Kspice9000 she finds her own way on bailing out?
I like the idea of during the transformation sequence, the ink spreads out on the dress almost making it look like watercolor.
@@helendocherty6324 That's a fun idea! Honestly, I think they should have cut the magic all together, though. The Fairy Godmother has always serves as a means of getting Ella to the ball, and thus with the Prince, but having her magically solve the biggest hurdle in the story gives Ella no agency. If they had wanted a more progressive Cinderella story, Ella should have been able to take the set-back of a stained dress and turn it around into something spectacular using her own skills and imagination. Ella should just have gotten herself to the ball- not relied on anyone else.
Ginger Snap Maybe the Fairy Godparent is actually a godparent and gives her the ability to create the gown of her dreams instead of just magicking it real
"first feminist Cinderella"
Lemme guess, they never saw any other version of Cinderella besides the 1950 one.
Also sidenote, I actually think the ball dress looks much better in the purple used for the promotional material than the white/peach coloring they used in the actual film. The purple actually makes all the details pop, and actually compliments Camila, but the white/peach just blends into everything around it. It always annoys me when marketing makes an outfit a much different color than what it actually is in the film.
EDIT: Quite frankly though, the 1950 Cinderella is much more feminist than this garbage.
The 1950 one is the superior one
@@nycdyke2867 that and the 1997 one
Re: your edit -- Totally! Any version that emphasizes showing kindness/mercy to all characters, no matter who has mistreated her, completely shows strength of character!
@@Jessica_Jones Cinderella in those versions is rewarded with a happy future because she remained optimistic and kind in spite of her hardships, she always remained the bigger person to her stepfamily and never stooped to their level. How the hell is that NOT a feminist message?
@@brianaguilar8283 Exactly! It may not be as glamorous or as loud as some people want it to be, but wisdom and maturity like that often reaps the greatest reward.
i call this commercial woke. this kind of movies are labeled "feminist" by the filmmakers but in reality it's pandering and shallow. Basically, it's 2016 Buzzfeed content with bad writing and shallow perspective on social issues.
Wow it sounds horrible, now i don’t even want to watch it 🙈
I did not even watched it, I don't understand how can you support a racist like her
So just 2016 Buzzfeed content then lol
I couldn't agree more, all these "feminist super woke" retellings are stuck in the frame of mind of a 2016 buzzfeed intern like, there are so many deep interesting topics and problems to explore in stories and film but we get this commercial bossgirl garbage
@@emb3863 if the messages were just misjudged then id be able to at least stomach it, but the dialogue when talking about these messages was so astonishingly shallow and hamfisted that i cant believe SOMEONE, during the long process of making the movie, didnt suggest a change. some of it is badly managed and almost sounds satirical.. but not enough to convince me that it was
"Hey, we are woke, we have funny fat people, a fabulous gay with the power of make overs, a entitled clumsy protagonist with traditionally feminine interest who is so not like other girls and empowers herself with manual labor. But don't worry, we gave Cindy and the prince a few scenes so they don't fell in love at first sight and the princess a few intelligent dialogs so you know she is perfect to rule the peasants"
This comment sums up their logic perfectly. 😂
What it was missing was that Cinderella should've been a trans woman.
@@ignazs.5816 Nah, that would actually be a brave statement.
@@GiulianaBruna I guess so. If they went this far, why not go all the way.
@@ignazs.5816 I dont think this is really that far. The only "risky" move was including Billy Porter and that was only a short scene. A woman who has a career is nothing new or controversial. Almost a decade ago we had Ella taking part on actual protests and nothing happened.
Because owning a dress store is deeper and more meaningful then letting kindness and love lead you even in the most traumatic of circumstances….
Everybody knows that being kind means the patriarchy wins! /s
@@monkiram there is a fine line between being kind and being a doormat
@@monkiram kindness doesn’t equal= weakness idk where you got that from
@@pettylilthing "/s" means sarcasm
@@monkiram oh ok
I never thought that the cringey takes of the late 00s and mid 2010s tumblr about disney princesses would one day be taken seriously. Like, jesus, cinderella is an abuse victim and it's not like she can just move out with the barely existent amount of money (if she had any to begin with) she may have had
And Donald Trump
@@c-train3630 what?
Considering the time period it would be almost impossible for her to move anywhere else.
I do believe that in the original story she was meant to be quite wealthy(her father left her money) but her stepmother took all of her money
@@lelnel6242 I think Cinderella was still a child when her father died, so that's how her stepmother got the money instead.
The first feminist Cinderella was the 1950 on intentional or not because 1. She wasn't looking for a man or a prince it just happened. 2. Kept a good personality in a abusive home life. 3 Her positively and kindness brought the Fairy Godmother to her. 4. She saved herself by breaking out of the attic the stepmother locked her in with a little help from mice while the prince was not even in the scene. 5. She was smart enough the have her other glass slipper on it.
You're absolutely right.
Also, you can argue that the real main characters are the mice, who she cares for and rescues early in the movie. They all want to help her to escape the abuse she endured.
She also resourceful, she can work and has skill at that time period, she can cook, sew and clean. That also makes her independence, can feed herself when she lives alone.
Fr people call Cinderella weak or one of the worst princesses when she was literally an abuse survivor in the original story
@@anya_brdie6984 And let's not even talk about Cinderella 3
How about making the sisters pretend to hate Cinderella when the mom's around, but helping and supporting her when the mom isn't
Ever after actually does that (only one sister though) where her sister kinda goes along with it but secretly helps her with her injuries
If they made the stepmother more clearly abusive and not so easily forgiven
Still waiting for a filmed version of the the original fairy tale ending where Cinderella invites her family to the wedding then hires a pair of doves to peck their eyes out after the wedding so her happy ever after is the last thing they ever see.
@@ScionStorm1 lol
@@severepain1938 Ever After was such a great movie
"The princess is feminist because she points out bad stuff that is happening. Now give us your damn money."
I hate how so many adaptations try to make cinderella a girlboss. she's an abuse victim! it's okay if she needs help from others! her perseverance makes her strong enough.
Not only did it make her a girlboss ‘who don’t need no man’, it also completely fails in that aspect. For all her purported agency, she really doesn’t achieve anything for herself.
We’ve had so many great cinderella adaptations, Ella enchanted, Ever after, A cinderella story even have aspects that can arguably have REAL feminist moments and actual strong female characters. The original Cinderella even has her story revolve around escaping her abusive family- we don’t need a new version that misses the mark. I appreciate the sentiment- a modern revision of a classic tale, but Cinderella has been updated so many times and made stronger many times that this film has to go out of its way to push its messages.
The movie was great but it’s up to you anyways
Ella Enchanted and Ever After were my favourites.
I have been thinking it's the easisest one to do . Snow white has been done and you need a lot of specific charavters etc . Beauty and the beast or rapunzel too . Been done so many times seems easier
@kshamwhizzle What would she have said to him to talk her way out of there?
Ikr they need to stop making revamps of the same stories and create something new all together, it would do great to get a new princess story
Sure the classics are wonderful but besides most of the ones we see are just the same things over and over and then they try to add new things such a feminist aspects and adding random lgbtq+ character that almost ALWAYS miss the mark
As a member of both communities I would love representation that did seem so over the top or just blatantly are badly written additions
I'm not even a historian. But the costume designs were really confusing for me. I kept thinking, "What period is this supposed to take place in?" Even if the movie wasn't intended to take place in any specific time period, the different costumes all the characters wore lacked cohesion.
The whole time I was literally thinking someone could pull out a smartphone and I would not be shocked in the slightest
@@mermaidprincess2509 Right! Not gonna lie. A smart phone would've been a nice gag🤣
I actually don’t think the dresses were THAT ugly, but the lack of cohesion of the styles seen in the film was what made it the most jarring.
Plus women have always worked in fashion, it's not like she's trying to be a blacksmith
@@Charlotte-og2hf please this is what made me go stare at the wall for an hour, like out of all the careers being a seamstress and fashion designer was the most viable for women a long time ago 💀
I think that part of why the feminism in this Cinderella comes off as tone deaf is because the portrayal of both Gwen and Ella is completely unrealistic. Both women live in a patriarchal society, where neither of them have any support from their family or anyone else. Both are highly ambitious and have grand dreams, but are constantly stopped because of various obstacles. In such a society, where they are both living lives where they feel trapped and yet have no one to save them, they wouldn't be the way they are portrayed. They feel like independent modern women that have transmigrated from our world into a restrictive society rather than people who have grown up being snubbed for their gender.
In such an environment, they would have to persevere and take a lot of shit from others. They would also realistically be more patient and collected. They would have preconceived notions about how a woman is supposed to act and her duties in society, which is natural because they have never had anyone to subvert the standards society has set for them.
Rather than yelling in the middle of the street after people refuse to buy her dress, it would have been much more realistic if Ella would have given up selling it, gone back and made improvements to her design, then tried to sell it again. If any woman/person from a marginalised community constantly preaches about how they are being mistreated by society, they become annoying and people start to avoid them. Ella, who has lived in this society for her whole life and known nothing else, would have known this truth subconciously and tried to overcome her problems in a quieter way than forcing people to buy her designs. She would have felt less entitled that way, and it would have shown her hard work. Also, regardless of how oppressed you are, if you show some sort of genuine promise, you will be recruited. And it may be as a servant or a stand-in, but there is someone in the world who would give you chance. I think this could have helped shown that people are not all 2D characters, and that women were still considered humans in historical times.
Gwen, I feel like, should have been more cutting and practical, as well as refined and elegant. This is simply because she would have been educated on etiquette, and any deviation from it may have gotten her isolated in high society. To become queen, Gwen would have needed to first make herself exceptional, then shown it to her father and his ministers. When she had been acknowledged for having a brain, she would have focused on expanding her connections and influence and started quietly subverting the patriarchy, by installing more female workers in her own ranks as well as in the government (as much as she could have done with her own influence and under her father's nose). Then she would have had to convince her father that she, rather than her brother, was suited to become monarch. In the movie, she just came off as really lacking common sense. No one listens to someone who irritates them every time they meet. She's behaving like an immature child and expecting to be taken seriously. This is part of why the feminism in this movie is so bland: there is no portrayal of different women. Both Ella and Gwen are shown to be capable and annoyingly persistent, while also having revolutionary ideas that go beyond their time. Instead of being self-confident, they come off as arrogant, which really doesn't help in either of their cases.
Yes, you nailed it on the head! Your response was very refreshing to read and I'm glad people other than me sees this.
Key word: entitlement. Thank you for pointing this out!
Very well written my friend 100% agree
Perfect!
modern feminist take on strong women is to be obnoxious, entitled and arrogant-just copy paste the most most annoying male persona.
Having them sing Somebody to Love was a huge misstep, it just reminded people they could be watching Ella Enchanted instead.
And *still* get to see Minnie Driver, and in a better role.
thank you cause i really couldn't bare to do it
i can't believeee youre hereee, omg
PLSSSSSSS
Mister haute you HAVE to do a fashion reviewwww
@@daveha5783 YES PLSSSS
Luke is here, AGAINN
The problem with the story (and most other pandering entertainment) is the lack of truth behind it. I’m not talking about the existence of magic but concepts we know in our own lives to be true even if told metaphorically like the ancient original tales. If the movie wants to address current day feminist issues then the realities of what real women face should be honestly depicted. For example, Cinderella’s inability to be a dress maker would probably have more to do with a lack of income and materials than a law saying she cant. Maybe the step mother and sisters own the dress shop in town and they don’t let her implement her new innovative ideas because no one would want them. (Could be a cool idea for costuming that everyone wears an old fashion because of the monopoly but once Cinderella opens her new place the innovation spreads) Anyway, does that make sense? It’s not real.
Like it doesn't make sense either that the law will just outright not let her, I mean, even if she can't own a shop we can at least show that she's good buy making someone tried to hire her but then steal her design, it looks like she's just a bad seamstress(which from the look of those dress, she probaby is)
I want to read the version of Cinderella that you’d write
You could also easily dive into how seamstresses have always been necessary but historically underpaid. Like maybe she already does fantastic work for the wealthy but is grossly shorted for the actual amount of work that goes into making a dress while the women wearing the dresses get the fame and credit for being "daring". I feel like adding the fact that Cinderella wants to be a dressmaker is a good idea but this movie picked the absolute laziest conflict they could have and then solved it in an equally lazy way.
I’ve been thinking this exact same thing. The stepmother should have owned a dress shop and made her make the dresses, but not let her use her own ideas or take credit for it. Then it’s less commentary ‘women can do anything!’ and more a commentary on the exploitation of the working class, something that’s actually poignant.
The OP's idea reminded me of the comic book "The Prince and the Dressmaker". It's not a Cinderella story, but it's similar to what y'all are looking for. It's about a Dressmaker (duh?) who's hired by the prince to make dresses for him (cause he's a cross-dressing drag queen girlboss). The art is also super cute and there's actually pretty clothes that look innovative for the time (19th century France, if I'm not mistaken)
Imagine James Corden playing a character that isn't annoying. Kinda makes me sad that I probably won't see that in my lifetime.
I rather he left the entertainment industry altogether.
Honestly his only role I actually liked was the Baker from Into The Woods, and even then it was only because he wasn't trying to act like the usual James Corden.
He was quite tolerable in Trolls.
I liked him on that episode of Doctor Who, I think it was called "The Lodger".
Not sad at all. At least I know what to avoid watching
there’s just something extremely annoying about camila cabello that i cannot explain. i think a lot of people can attest to this
Ugh me too. I saw her on trailer and knew this was gonna be a train wreck
And I also think her voice doesn’t suit the « princess » role
Maybe because she’s racist? 😂 Lol I don’t get why ppl think she’s pretty either. There are so many regular women out there who are far prettier inside out. She was so racist to Normani, and other ppl yet she wasn’t even canceled. It just shows how superficial our generation is.
@G I feel you bro
Same
I can't deal with Gwen's "I'm a business woman" haircut. It's too funny.
Business woman haircut 😂😂😂
Oh yes, say hello to Nicole Kidman's The Stepford Wives :)
Reminds me of a Karen's haircut too.
Her hairstyle is just way too modern, so much that it looks really out of place in the more oldfashioned-looking setting.
Yep it makes no sense.
Why am I not surprised to hear that this was James Corden's idea?! He was funny in "Gavin and Stacey", but everything after that, namely "Emoji Movie", or "Cats" should be a MAJOR red flag!
Wait, but emoji movie was good
Except "Into the Woods"
@@arianarunpop9884 the emoji movie was an insult to animation
@@pietrofattorello oh wow. How may i ask?
@@arianarunpop9884 it was 95% product placement for apps, 4% trying to give an emotional story arc to emojis???? and 1% ripping off every single animated movie cliche in history, the main plot is LITERALLY that the main character is not like the other emojis...
if it had been some south park esque satire of cash grabs it would've been okay but they actually played it straight.....i just can't
that's my opinion btw
The “I’m not other girls” marketline to make the main character relatable but who are the girls your not like!?
Fair point. When the setting is high school, I always thought the protagonist to not be like the "popular" girls with all the latest makeup, clothes, and gadgets.
“We wanted to be more inclusive and have more diversity.”
1997 R&H adaptation: What am I? Chopped liver?
right? That movie had a white King, black Queen and somehow had an asian Prince.
@@storyperry2230 Plus black Cinderella, godmother, stepmother, and stepsister.
But but but, this cinderella had a total of two black speaking characters and a (light skinned and known racist) Latina lead! Surely that is more diverse /Major Sarcasm
Literally that was the best Cinderella adaptation ❤❤❤and diversity personified
It’s very obvious to me that this is leaning into girlboss feminism HARD. They keep trying to make these classic fairytales more feminist or socially aware, but nobody was asking for that. Most people are fine accepting these classics at face value, taking what we like and leaving what we don’t. Even if they insisted on remaking the classics, we don’t need to be pandered to with outdated empowerment messaging. Just give us a good movie damn it, it’s not that hard 😭 I’m also just shocked at how bad Camilla sounds in the movie. Every piece of music released nowadays has some sort of pitch correction or autotune applied to it. They could have easily smoothed over her missteps in post production, but they didn’t. It’s bizarre.
the saddest thing is, these classic fairytales aren't even anti-feminist to begin with. Just because women like Keira Knightley are out there calling cinderella, a literal victim of abuse living in the 14th century, a loser who relies on men, every filmstudio goes "yeah this needs a girlboss twist". Because its so feminist hating women who have feminine traits.
@@AN-hl3xn I am feminine and a feminist so Idk about you but I really liked the movie and so what if it is modernised , times change and we have to change with it
To be honest I love how Ella wanted to prioritise herself over anything else
@@AN-hl3xn Cinderella was an abused girl in a time were woman needed to marry a man to support herself and it was really dificult for woman to have a job. What do radical feminist spect her to do? Leave the house and live in the streets? This is what happeneds when you don't take the context, setting and time of the story into consideration at the moment to make a critic about a film.
Icb they girlbossed Cinderella LMAOOO
@@despinasgarden.4100 they expect her to brutally kill her step family in the most gruesome way possible while smirking & monologuing about what a badass girlboss she is. She then goes to the ball & punches the prince in the face for trying to find a woman to subject to society's patriarchal standards. The movie ends with her walking away from the palace with a sly smile on her face while it blows up behind her. She turns to the side & gives her fairy godmother a high five.
Seriously though, I really don't know what they expect from the story of Cinderella. It's not supposed to be a feminist tale. It's about a kind hearted young woman finding an opportunity to escape from an abusive situation & gaining agency, even if it was just for one night. She never wanted the prince, she wanted a night out to have fun. She just happened to fall in love with someone along the way.
Movie: "We want to push for diversity uwu"
Also movie: Let's make the evil stepsister fat. In fact, let her be literally the only female fat character on the entire thing. That has never been done before, right?
s/o to ever after for making the bigger stepsister the kind one, highlighting that she was also abused and that Danielle understood this and held no ill weill towards her.
As a person of color, I think it is normal that Cinderella 's characters are white, considering that it is a French tale, it was written by French author Perrault... I wish they could have really casted real French actors...
@@bal9944 also, if they wanted inclusivity, there's literally a chinese version of the story, which is way older than the french one
@@bal9944 I don't know how this has anything to do with denouncing the fatphobia on this adaptation, but sure.
@@bal9944 Cinderella does not have to be white just because it's originally a French tale 🙄 Not all French people are white 😖 You do know there's black French people too 🙄 and that French is not a race, right? 😂
So basically, this movie took elements from all the other versions of Cinderella (like being sold to another suitor in Ever After, fighting to have her dream when others are trying to stop her (Cinderella 3 and Cinderella with Whitney Houston) Having the Prince NOT want to be the prince or be married (ALL the Cinderellas, but specifically Ever After again.) The stepsisters being ditzy and dumb and jealous (Cinderella with Whitney Houston) Having the stepmother try to manipulate Cinderella for her own gain (Disney's live action Cinderella). Cinderella arguing with the Prince about stuff (Ever After). There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING creative or unique about this movie. Its just vomiting out elements from other Cinderella stories.
Cinderella with Whitney Houston is
R&H's Cinderella
My eyes are rolling every 5 minutes because of the dialog in every clip.
Gaslight. Gatekeep. Girlboss. ✨The MUSICAL!✨
For a movie about selling dresses, the costumes and hair are horrendous! How come Ella never changed her hairstyle, and why are her outfits so awful?
God I’m glad I’m not the only one who hated her hair.
@@LadyAhro yes!! Especially when she puts on the ballgown, why doesn't she change her hair to reflect the transformation? Instead it's still basically the same braid.
probably because different preferences differ?
My mom was so mad. She was waiting for her hair to change the entire movie and it basically didn’t. It was a huge missed opportunity cause it would’ve elevated the looks she wore to the ball and the ones she had in the dream sequence.
I liked her hair, but come on. Does she have to stay in it the whole time?!
Why not have Cinderella's mother be a dressmaker, and Cinderella wants to carry on her legacy? Why doesn't the prince make Cinderella the official Royal Dressmaker? I'm putting more thought to this movie than the writer did!
Boom- there’s a beautiful idea. I’d watch that story line!
They should pay you 💰
At first, I thought you were talking about the step mother being a dressmaker instead of her actual mom. Lol
@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 same😂
and the prince and cinderella become besties instead of a couple, she makes the dress for his future bride and mets a beautiful woman at the wedding then they end up together
You know you messed up when the fairy Godmother has the only dress that works in a Cinderella adaptation.
The original Disney Cinderella was ACTIVE AND VOCAL. She was just also abused and abused people know when it's worth it to open their mouths. That's not un-feminist that's self preservation.
This Cinderella hardly seemed abused, her step mother's reaction to her wanting to own a business wasn't any different to what it would have been to her own daughters.
They didn't better it, they flipped the script completely.
Also, can we talk about how hideous and cheap the glass slipper was!!
I wouldn't mind a version where the stepmother isn't mean, TBH.
@@DrawciaGleam02 The whole point of Cinderella is about an abused, but kindhearted girl finally getting her freedom, a nice stepmother doesn't make sense
@@lelnel6242 I think it could work in a way where the stepmother means well and does care but still doesn’t do the right thing. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all. Cinderella starts taking up house work after her fathers death and the stepmother is grateful but starts to take advantage of it without realizing, and genuinely doesn’t want cinderella to embarrass herself at the ball because she doesn’t have anything to where or only her mothers outdated gown. She doesn’t realize that cinderella is the woman that the prince fell for so she tries to keep cinderella from trying on the slipper and making a fool of herself further, and when it all come out and full circle she apologizes for her treatment of her stepdaughter.
She’s not a victim she’s a survivor ❤her abuse was only temporary
The most insulting part to me is that this movie claims to be “tHe FIRsT FEmInIst CInDerellA” and “So DiveRse!” when we have the Lunar Chronicles. The Lunar chronicles is a series of sci-fi books based off fairytales. Cinder, the over all main character and Cinderella equivalent, is a perfect example of a strong female character written well. She owns a business, works for what she wants all on her own, and is extremely independent. Cinder is also Asian and disabled. This is 10 times better rep that’s anything this movie could bring without it feeling forced or not genuine.
I wish they would have adapted this story into a movie instead of what they did. And if it was a success then they could have introduced the other characters that were part of the book series. Even the villain of the book series had a back story too!
I need to read this series 👀, it already sounds much better than this film.
Wait, does she count as Asian?
@@reikun86 she is! her mother is of east asian or southeast asian descent (:
I just remembered how much I absolutely LOVED that series! would've been better if we got an adaption of that instead.
I love that everyone in the entire world, except those in Hollywood, is sick of James Corden. I really could’ve done without the scenes of him as a humanoid mouse. They could have developed the stepsisters more instead, which was really needed. You had a stellar singer like Maddie Bailillo, and turned her into a backup singer? Minnie Driver is a legitimately talented singer and comedienne, and she hardly says anything until the third act? So many missed opportunities.
ok yes but i loved the fact they both werent truly evil or mean usualy there both or atleast one even the stephmother whasnt truly mea&n yeah she has problems but whas misunderstood she didnt jsut hate ella like in most movies
I loved the mice honestly they were my favorite “gimmick” of the entire movie 😂 I also still like James cordon so not everyone is sick of him apparently. 🤷🏻♀️
I *only* tolerated him in "Into the Woods". And even then *barely*. Please stop adding James Corden into my musicals 😪
Ok you know what though? Does James Corden make very questionable decisions regarding his film career? Absolutely. Is his show the best thing on television right now? Absolutely
As soon as I found out James Cordon was working on this film I knew it was going to be really bad 😂
No matter how much people will try and misinterpret it, the OG 1950s Disney’s Cinderella, along with Ever After, will forever be the best versions of the Cinderella story in my opinion
the 2015 one too
I was a teen in the early 2010s and though I’ve never seen it, Cinderella in this movie just seems like the misogynistic “not like other girls” role that many of us tumblr users liked to act like at the time. Lol the fact that we apparently haven’t aged out of that trope is just sad. After all these years.
When has everything targeted to girls become so terrible?? Netflix is for sure the worst in this department. But this cinderella movie is also a trainwreck.
I still love the 90s/2000s chickflicks like 10 things i hate about you, wild child, legally blonde etc and i think they age so well because they weren't trying too hard to make a significant statement or to be feminist and woke. Like Netflix making a movie about a beautiful tall girl being bullied cause she tall. Just give us a fun movie about friendship, fashion and first love without making it all white and heterosexual and we good. How can this be too much to ask for. I also havent seen many teen girl mermaids in while or literally anything magical without it being edgy and dark
Exactly! Can we have something magical without the dark and edgy?
Or better yet, see some other fairy tales adaptations beside Cinderella in different ways and different cultures like Colombia Snow White, Korean Sleeping Beauty, Philippines The Little Mermaid, Indian Beauty and the Beast, or maybe an Jamaican Rapunzel, etc.
As much I love Cinderella, but I am sick and tired of Cinderella getting retold multiple times (except Lily Jame Cinderella, Brandy Cinderella, Selena Gomez Cinderella, Ever After Cinderella, and Hilary Duff Cinderella). I kinda want to see other Fairytale who barely got adapted into an movies. Like come on! Quit making Cinderella movies and let other fairy tales have a moment in the spotlight.
@@pandamoon613UvU Hell I love dark magical femme focused stuff and haven't found any of it good in a long time, Maleficent got close but it's still kinda trash. (I like it, but is it actually good? Ehhhh)
Like the Atmosphere/castle aesthetics of Snow White and the Huntsman and just the queen in general was excellent. But the actual movie? Once again no.
That's a really good point! It's a bit like any movies with black characters. They can never just be characters in a story who happen to be black. They have to be going through some tragic struggle or fighting against oppression. Those stories are needed too, but when it's every single movie and TV show it starts to feel really patronizing.
@@LadyAhro I love dark magic but a lot of movie's don't execute it right unfortunately.
I hate the way these older directors scroll through Twitter for 2 seconds and assume that’s what younger viewers want to see. It’s painfully obvious how the directors and scriptwriters are trying to pander rather than offering a genuine message of women empowerment. Also find it really funny how they made a female empowerment movie with a racist main cast member who is known to berate other females, how ironic!
I think the last part of your comment was a reach and unnecessary
@@arianarunpop9884 she’s a racist that had to take racial sensitivity courses in 2021, that’s not a reach just facts
@@mayajama4654 oh wow
@@arianarunpop9884 she allegedly treated Normani terrible while they were in fifth harmony together. She doesn’t seem to like other women succeeding
@@keeshadams8629 thats horrible
This movie feels like on of my high school's unlicensed senior plays, specifically the Aladdin "inspired" one. It even has the modern slang, terrible pop covers, utter bastardization of the story, shoehorned characters and sublots, and the faux-progressivism.
Literally making Princess Gwen and Ella love interests is a stroke of genius
James Corden is cursed. Every movie musical he is in is just so bad.
Bruh people dont talk about how bad into the woods is enough
@@nastassjahall9358 into the woods movie hate gang rise up
@Eriona Pillow it's not a horrible movie independently I'll admit I only thought it boring when I had nothing to compare it to but compared to the stage version it's an absolute dumpster fire (I'm not some crazy purist who thinks movie adaptations of musicals can't be good, plenty are but this ain't one)
Every movie he’s in is bad
@@smcphee8499 He's been in nothing good since Gavin and Stacey, and I'll stand by that.
I simply do not understand the genderless fairy godmother situation. Wouldn’t it be way more revolutionary to have a fairy godfather who is just guy in a dress wearing what he likes? It feels so regressive to be like ‘this guy wears feminine clothing, so he has to be given a female title and non-male pronouns’
Oh my God, this. You've put it into words.
I'm so sick of this "hah, fuck gender roles!" and yet making a clear distinction between what's supposedly male and female stick.
You simply cannot have a manly man in a movie who's called by he/him and have him just casually rock a dress or a skirt or high heels.
It has to be a queen moment, "yas girl, slayyy!"
Like, just give me a Chad in a dress.
I want the fairy godfather to just be a sopranos reject haha that would make me die laughing. Having Billy a stereotypical flamboyant character is just boring and makes me think that that's all Hollywood sees gay people as, troupes. No defining personality let alone individuality. Just the same old same old
I don't necessarily mind the genderless thing- I like the idea that fairies aren't attached to human constructs of gender, and god knows nonbinary representation in children's media is still pretty poor. As revolutionary as it is for cisgender men to wear traditionally feminine clothing- and I don't want to take away from that- being nonbinary or using they/them pronouns, or using pronouns that don't align with the gender people interpret you as is still VERY out of the norm.
In terms of how it actually showed up in the film, I saw it as a reference to drag mothers and the interesting gender space they occupy. However, the fact that the rest of this trash movie is played very straight/cis sort of undermines anything they were trying to go for, and their comments on gender aren't really contemporary, so the whole thing feels bitter and hollow. I have been cheated out of himbo prince and lesbian Cinderella and left with 2000s girlboss feminism in a tulle skirt.
In conclusion, if people want to see interesting takes on gender combined with Billy Porter, they should watch Pose.
To me it’s like they want a gay stereotype without calling him gay
Right!! If a traditionally feminine looking person played the role, this wouldn't have been considered genderless
Ever After will always be my favorite Cinderella adaptation. She was kind, independent, and the movie gave its message without having to hit you on the head with it
This version of Cinderella is the definition of "not like other girls" and "pick me."
IMO despite the desperate attempts to make classic tales more “woke”, feminist or inclusive, I honestly still believe the values in the original tales are superior.
Maybe Cinderella is blonde haired and blue eyed in the original portrayal, and some may argue this is offensive or that the story is in someway undermined and superficial - the original Cinderella promotes values of hard work, humility, respect, dignity despite enslavement, being a dreamer even when your dreams are constantly crushed, and good prevailing against all odds (just to name a few). These are far superior moral truths when compared to those represented in the modern adaptions of the story, particularly as they transcend race, sex, or any other personal circumstances - they are truly universal in nature. It is only a superficial analysis of the classic stories which would conclude that it is limiting to women or undermines female power, when in reality it does the exact opposite
No one could have said this better!
This!
My problems with it is that the genuine critiques that could be made of the original story are barely addressed within the story
Yes!!
Preach!
The fact that the original Cinderella was in truth a really strong girl who overcame AN ABUSE FAMILY because she was still kind and friendly enough so people (the fary and animals) liked her and helped her does it for me. Also yes I am aware that marrige was used as a fluctuating device by woman that does not mean those woman were not strong smart and knew how to use resources thank u
Not to mention in the original story she has the courage to stand up for one thing she really wants, to go have fun at the ball(she wouldn't even know the prince will be there) even when the step-mother was so cruel that she would throw Cinderella out into the street, we saw it clearly she has no problem just kill Cinderella off either. She risked her livelihood to reach out and find helps while stay positive and kind, she helped herself, just not being loud about it, and that's meaningful.
Making ugly dresses no one wants and in the end others need to help you acheive your goal while #girlboss? Not so much
Watch Not the Cinderella type
In the original Grimmversion she is even more badass, there her father is alive and in on the stepmothers side just letting his dother be a servant in her own home. And at the end after there wedding here stepsister try to be all simpering kissing up, she have her birdfriends hack there eyes out. In this here godmother is litherel, when it’s the spirit of her mother doing the makeover.
I know. Even if she wasnt vocal of confident, she was patient, kind, a hardworker. And i know II would go insane living in that house, would not be able to be that kind or patient to some random animals or the literal people who abused me.
@@aur9035 she. let. her. birdfriends. hack. there. eyes. out! I think she got some dark thoughts and paybacksceaming in to survive living there
Her finale outfit is legit what people wore to their high school homecoming 10 years ago… so outdated
That’s why I loved “Ever After” it was a “feminist” take on the story without hitting you over the head with it. Danielle fully relies on herself and actually (IMO) saved the prince at the end of the day.
I still believe the dressmaking aspect could have been a nice addition to this retelling. I firmly believe that the Stepmother should have had a dress shop, forcing Cinderella to do every design but receive none of the credit. That way she needs Cinderella, and only keeps her around to keep the family afloat. But Cindy wants to make a statement, change fashion - become something, but the current trends sell. This is no time to be a dreamer, Cindy - dreaming doesn't bring in the sweet cash.
Instead of the Fairy Godmother, the dress should have been of her own creation - a secret that she's been working on behind closed doors. The stepmother isn't fooled in the slightest though, and quickly decides to use this to her benefit. Cindy catching the Prince's attention can save them, but the thing is - Cindy wants more from life. She doesn't want to be a princess. That's the conflict.
Is her duty to save her family, no matter how bad they treat her - or go for her passions, possibly losing everything in the process? Perhaps give one of the stepsisters actual agency - make her a friend that the stepmother is willing to marry off to a creep just to give the family money. In this time period, for their family to be saved - women need to marry into money, no matter the cost of their happiness.
The stepmother is no stranger to this - she married for love once, but he died and left her nothing but two beautiful daughters. The next man, she was given away to (her father had seen to it personally) - but he too died and left little else but a good name and a series of debt unknown to them until his passing. He too had been a dreamer, but he royally failed them.
It's love and belief that keeps Cinderella from hating the situation her father left her in. At times, however, it's hard. She must constantly be in battle with herself due to her parents failures. But that's life, you gamble - and sometimes you win, other times you lose. Does that mean you give up? Does that mean Cinderella must learn to know her place and do as she's told? Especially if it saves them from financial ruin?
I had the exact same ideas! So much wasted that it hurts.
Uhhhh.... can we get this person a screenwriting gig? This would rock SO much!!
Where were you when this was being written!?!
Y'all this is literally the plot of the Barbie movie the princess and the popper lol but without a princess
Boom, where your GoFundMe page to create the remake?
I think a live action for Barbie's The Princess and the Pauper would be a waaaaaay better ideia than another Cinderella movie!! Erika has the same desire as Ella and Anneliese reflects the princes wish to marry for love!
Plus imagine the cute outfits 🤩
I think just a HD remake where evething is the same except for much better animation (while keeping the same art style) would be enough to win that year's awards.
@@Ajzan1 yes!! That would be amazing!
@Blue yes!! They have a cat and a dog!! So cute 😍
The fact that Belle’s live action dress is better than this “Cinderella” dress.
Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. I feel like this is still a little bit better than Belle's dress. It's just that it pales in comparison to all the other dresses at the ball.
@@rkah6187 Yeah even tho i hate this 2021 version , i still think her dress is still a bit better than Belle "curtain" dress . But i mean it in a not so good way because it was like a crashed car is better than the one who exploded
i love that i they just used altered quienceañera dresses for the background characters, i would even dare to say that they looked better than anything cinderella wore
The costumes look like... you know... costumes. Not like actual clothes from that fantasy world. At least that was the impression I got while watching it. It´s the kind of movie I watch thinking "oh, we gotta pretend it is real" instead of simply getting immerse on the history. (I don´t know if I expressed myself well, english is not my native language so my vocabulary is pretty short) And I get that impression while watching other movies and series as well.
Your English is perfect, I couldn't even tell you weren't a native speaker. And I completely agree!
i agree, plus the clothing isn't consistent (some stuff looks modern and some looks historical)
your point about her not standing out at the ball is so on point !! they should have gone with a more enchanted (2007) like moment where she stands out in a more modern colour, silhouette and hairstyle apposed to everyone else in the kingdom which would have at least added a little more to her characterisation
And the dress makes her look like a q tip.
That movie was SO GOOD
Yessss that is what made this movie not cinderella official to me. Like that moment is EVERYTHING! Ugh lol magic can do anything
Or in 'Ever After' (1998), Leonardo Da Vinci who visiting the kingdom at the time, customized Cindy's gawn with wings and all. The gawn it's so breath taking and dreamy, makes her looks like an angel.
Talk about grasping at straws haha more to her characterization. I feel like the script writers should’ve been doing characterization throughout the film lol
uhh when will people realize “representation” is more than adding one character of minority per movie.
Honestly the version you described of having a love story between the princess and Cinderella with subverting expectations and having the prince be the god mother would make it infinitely better- and have a slightly more serious tone wich would ground it more and have a message worth remembering. It would also make some of the things that didn’t quite land (such as the stepmothers insistence that Cinderella marry a rich man) work. And it would make something more of gwens character other than just some throw a way lines or a plot device both in the story and for the writers to use as female empowerment. Talulah grieve is a talented actress both in comedy and drama and the film totally underused her. Also that storyline just sounds so godamn cute
Lilly James 2015 Cinderella is by far my favorite. The dress was amazing, the cinematography was gorgeous and the characterization of Cinderella was perfect. They got who Cinderella was; a kind, gentle woman, who despite her situation, still sees the best in people, and even forgives her Step Mother at the end even though she treated her like garbage the entire film. To me that is a true feminist message: A woman who stands by who she is, and doesn't let her shortcomings change that.
I love the 2015 version too
Wow i love this comment
Yes that one is great!!!!! The casting was superb
My favorite is The Slipper and the Rose staring Gemma Craven and Richard Chamberlain from about 1975 or so. The score is fantastic and very witty. The current Amazon version is a disaster. Couldn’t sit through more than 15 minutes if it. I mean, come on Amazon, you couldn’t spring for an original score?
they didn’t “girl boss” her either. they stayed true to the original story. i hate these corporate feminism messages that shove it down your throat.
The worst thing about this Cinderella is that it ALMOST did something with the prince.
He prefers the company of men, its played off as a joke, (likely to imply immaturity) but the way thier chemistry feels way more natural than with Ella could've been something.
We couldve had a movie that actually criticised the patriarical nature of the kingdom, went in depth about how everyone suffers under it regardless of social standing or gender (the prince, Gwen, the stepmother, Ella), the actual consequences that would stick as the story unfolded, instead of just one off jokes. I wanted to see Gwen do her research, I wanted the stepmother's urgency to get her daughters married emphasized on, I wanted the prince to be conflicted about his dedication to his duty vs his Friends. Since the patriarchy is a societal system it's society should have changed in some way by the end instead of the person holding the power shifting hands.
There couldve been something amazing there, but alas there wasnt
From what i understand , Andrew Lloyd Webber s new revolutionary feminist take on Cinderella (currently on the West End) has a gay prince and a lot of hunky shirtless guards.
No. The movie is just pure extreme feminism crap.
@@TheStepmonkey it's not "extreme feminist crap". It's men who don't understand feminism implimenting surface level, misinformed feminism in movies to earn lots of money and prove that they're not "misogynist" 🙄
@@TheStepmonkey and you're just one of the people who doesn't fully understand but claimed that they do
@@TheStepmonkey did u even watch the video?
Funny how the "feminist" take on Cinderella has all of her problems be solved by the various men of the story
Yeah that’s so messed up😮😢
Why is the Prince Charming character so unremarkable? They make every other character distinctive in some way, but for that one we get the equivalent of a slice of white bread without butter…. So generically boring that you forget he exists as soon as he is off screen.
I absolutely hate when people give this pandering corporate version of feminism to Cinderella to most, because while literally any other traditional Disney tale has old fashioned aspects probably need to be updated, Cinderella really doesn’t.
People like to point out that she’s passive in her own story, but when you really look at all the aspects of her life on paper, Cinderella is really just an abuse victim that has someone in a position of power over her preventing her from getting out on her own. I don’t think the original author of the fairytale or even the animated Disney version meant to do that - they want the stepmother to be cruel but I don’t think they necessarily thought “child abuser” when making her - but when you measure what she does to Cinderella by our modern standards, that’s what you arrive at.
So when people say she’s just waiting on a man to save her, not only do I know they’re not really paying attention, but they also accidentally become a victim blamer. Once again, I think the narrative does this on accident rather then on purpose, but ultimately Cinderella is someone whose not in her situation because the narrative doesn’t let her try to save herself, but because her stepmother is always watching her, keeps her from interacting with people, and has cut her off from all means of financial independence. Like most victims of abuse she doesn’t get out until she gets outside help, not only from the prince but the fairy godmother. I think it would be really easy to “update” Cinderella by keeping nearly the exact same plot but just changing the tone to a sort of thriller where Cinderella is trying to survive and find help under her stepmother’s watchful eye. Instead of the message focusing on a milquetoast non controversial form of feminism, it can be about how people stand by and watch others abuse kids because it’s “their right to raise them however they want” or they’re “just strict” or “if a kid is complaining they’re just being disrespectful because the adult is always right”.
In the original Disney Cinderella, in the opening scene the narrator does in fact say “Cinderella was humiliated, abused.” So it isn’t even up for interpretation that she was a victim of abuse and the fact that some claim that she just sat around waiting for a man to save her is indicative of the fact that they clearly haven’t watched the film in recent years and misinterpreted it if they did
@Tabitha I had forgotten that. Well there you go!
Fairy tales were always meant to communicate society’s norms through symbolism. Many cultures have a version of Cinderella. It’s about the female experience between childhood and adulthood. In the original version, the step sisters cut off part of their feet to fit the slipper. The prince doesn’t immediately notice until they start bleeding. This indicates that they are not “maids” and therefore not suitable to marry. Updating fairy tales is a waste of time. They lose their powerful psychological impact.
I would lovvvvveeee a fairy tale thriller that sounds so cool
There's also a better version which is Ever After with Drew Barrymore as the "Cinderella" character. In that version, she is smart and brave. She rescues the prince and even rescued herself in the final scene. This for me is the "feminist" and inspiribg Cinderella movie. I don't see anything bad in the 1950s Cindetella movie as well.
They did my Cinderella so bad. Cinderella would never be do disrespectful towards people such as sitting on someone's statue. She's sweet, kind, gentle and calm. She has a strong belief and resolve in her goals and beliefs. Also she's not clumsy at all like hello why is this Cinderella so clumsy I don't understand like Cinderella was never clumsy they are just doing the "I'm not like other girls" trope. They did my Cinderella dirty TAT. She's such a idol for young girls, like she's so hardworking even under the villiany of her step family she still stays true to the person she is and so what if she got married early she's happy in her marriage and secure with her prince it's a fairytale it's supposed to be unbelievable and magical. Also the ballgown she wears to the ball is just not it.
👏👏👏agreedddd
I agree
It's because rudeness and disrespectful attitudes are practically as common in America as apple pie and baseball. All this victimhood mentality of women or people of color is the fuel for the it. What keeps it going? The nonstop 'racism is everywhere, white suprem are everywhere, and this imaginary patriarchal only society.
This film encapsulates “girlboss feminism” and I’m glad we as a society are reaching the zenith of this. We went from Dolly Parton’s “9 to 5”, which was important for us, and then got to Devil Wears Prada-MLM-shilling-neoliberal capitalism.
When I learnt that the costume designer for Bridgerton worked on this movie, it immediately explained some of the mess of this movie. Many of the costumes in Bridgerton are terribly fitted, at best, and all over the place.
Ella Enchanted will always be my favourite version of Cinderella, since the Heroine ultimately saves herself in the end. The 2015 version, Ever After and A Cinderella Story are also decent.
Yes!! Such a underrated movie 🥲
Ella Enchanted isn't a bad movie but as a lover of the book I'll always hold a grudge
Same
I can’t watch that film again because I cringe at how “not like other girls” they made the character. - he even says “you’re not like other girls” it’s horrible 😭🥲 I think the best that includes a strong woman lead without doing the whole nlog trope is ever after with drew Barrymore
@@melancholicpeaceencapsulated technically she wasn’t since she had that gift of obedience
In retrospect this movie is like a badly pasted collage of good times and messages from other movies:
.1) Cinderella wants to sell dresses / or follow her dreams before getting married - that's erika in barbie: the princess and the pauper
.2) Contemporary pop music - Ella enchanted
.3) Princess defying ideas of an unjust society / government - Daniel in ever after
.4) inclusive cast - 90s adaptation
of rodgers and hammerstein
and so on ...
And after seeing this adaptation I am in urgent need to see ever after again, just to get rid of the cringe 🙄
Nah break out The Slipper and the Rose. Way better version than Ever After. No fake English accents.
@@paulamartin6724 well i mention ever after because it was the first one that came to mind , but the sleeper and the rose is a great movie 😃, although I had never compared them because personaly I feel they have no point of comparison, each one is a classic on its own merit.
Ever After is one of my favourite movies of all time!
Imagine if she actually WORKED the glass to make the shoes, that way it would have been a total heartbreaking moment when she loses one. Maybe she promised she would take them to the Queen for the interview, and the prince is the only one who can give it back to her. Maybe Lady Tremaine was the one who found it and didn’t want to give it to her because that way she would lose the opportunity and locks her up.
SO many more emotional moments just by changing one simple element.
This isn’t “feminist.” This is a fan fiction gone terribly wrong.
As a Theatre Kid™, what I have learned over the years is that you CAN NOT mix musical theatre trained people with pop/folk singer trained people.
Yes, the pop/folk singers sing well, beautiful even, but they do not mix with theatre people.
It will always end up sounding not good.
Artsy Bitch I think it’s that and the fact that a lot of pop singers don’t have the best vocal technique. Also it could be their voices aren’t versatile
@@alvernawiley8688 Agree, pop singing techniques are WILDLY different from lyrical styles such as musical or opera. Basically, an opera singer can sing pop, but a pop singer can't sing opera because the opera singer's training is way more technical and detailed, with a heavy focus on theory and posture. Therefore, you can't throw Camilla in Carmen and expect her to do well, she doesn't have the proper training.
Reminds me that for Frozen they did two versions of the songs with not only changing the vocals but the music too.
The creators: “Feminism, right?”
Also the creators: *gives James Corden a line describing privates/urination in a movie aimed at children*
Whaaat? Horrifying. What is wrong with these people. Smh
That scene literally had me wide eyed and blinking. I can’t believe that made its way into the final cut 🥴😳😬
Wait when was this
@@sophiajustin5054 (paraphrased) “I just relieved myself and you’ll never guess how I did it”
“The front tail”
Oh yeah 😑😬🤢
I never understand why western feminist make a big issue out of showing kindness compassion or being quiet or even a small act of smiling an anti feminist move😑
one thing i’ve never seen pointed out in this movie is that in the ‘climbing on the statue’ scene ella commits treason? that’s 50 shades of illegal. i have no clue how in universe she didn’t get executed or at least arrested for that.
They could have made the seamstress story without mushing together the Cinderella plot, at least not in an obvious way. I mean, rags to riches is a phrase created *for* that reason and there's countless of stories that follow that pattern. But then of course no one would have cared. Hollywood knows the recipe by now. Adults will (mostly, not all of them) hate watch to be able to make snarky twitter comments and kids will watch it bc well "It's Cinderella"
That's just made me think of the book Mary Barton by Elizabeth Gaskell. It's about a seamstress in the 1800s trying to improve herself and look after her opium addicted father. I can't remember how it ends, but I don't think I've ever seen that adapted. Written by a woman at the time it was a real look at women's challenges in everyday circumstances.
Ugh Drew Barrymore in Ever After is just chef's kiss! The silver gown with the wings just steals my heart away😍
thankyou at last someone talk about this movie too- !!
Ever After is definitely my favorite Cinderella adaptation! It has it’s own brand of magic despite having no magic at all.
thank you god someone loved ever after! it's my top favorite!
In the musical ver. The costumes are also beautiful 💖
@@addictedtowonwoo4ever yes! In 2015 I saw the musical live at The Papermill Playhouse in New Jersey and it was such a wonderful show 🥰
My fav live action was the one where Cinderella wears the big blue dress. Like the big dark blue one. I really love how they did the backstory for her parents
Another movie that it could have been compared to is Enchanted with Amy Adams, she ends up as a costume designer, it had great music and costumes and was so funny!
Amy is such a good actress, she's able to play the sweet and ditzy girl and give her substance. This on the other hand is just ham-handed and flat.
And then Disenchanted came along and spit on all of that. Because we just can’t have nice things.
The main character: is cruel and condescending to every other charecter.
The movie: this is feminism
How...did they not see that? Like, you can believe in women's rights and equality and also not hate men and traditionally feminine women or poor women who are too busy trying to survive to fight for their rights
THIS 1000x
Yes!!!!
“Screw fairy godmothers the magic is inside of you” Literally put that on my tombstone, an inspirational queen!
the prince becoming the fairy godmother is such an amazing idea
calling this the first feminist cinderella movie is an absolute slap in the face to the 2009's a twist in time sequel. my god, cinderella is an absolute badass in that film
Honestly this remake was not necessary at ALL. There's basically a whole ocean of Cinderella adaptations, why even bother doing another one? In my opinion, Ever After is and always will be superior.
I haven’t watched the movie but so far it sounds pretty bad. But I agree with you. We didn’t really need another Cinderella movie adaptation. We have the Cinderella with Hillary Duff, the one with Selena Gomez, Lucy Hale, Sofia Carson, Laura Marano, Brandy, Anna Kendrick…it’s getting a bit out of hand at this point lol. People should really try adapting other stories like Sleeping Beauty or Snow White because we’ve seen the same Cinderella movie over and over again several times that it’s getting boring.
Ever After was such a wonderful twist on Cinderella and I loved both Danielle and Henry as characters and them as a couple! Loved the movie and almost made me cry 😭❤️
It doesn't hurt to have another one but when it turns out like *this*, then it's a problem. It just falls flat and leaves you without gaining anything.
Tbh I'm fine with another Cinderella readaptation, as long as it's made well, or even better, has an interesting or unique spin to it. A movie where Cinderella makes her own dresses could've been great, and that idea has potential, but it was executed so badly, and it's like the movies couldn't choose between making her independent while making her dependent on everyone.
@@elizrebezilmadommdo1662 that is true! But I also think we should wait at least ten years before we get another Cinderella remake since it’s kind of overused.
German versions often show how she was treated as a child, highlighting the abuse and showing how strong she is. They could have done so much with this story but nah, let's make a girl boss movie.
The 1950 animated version is still more “progressive” than this version, it seems, and even its own remake, which really says a lot...
I think one of my main issues with this version of cinderella is that honestly i don't think feminism *alone* as a theme is strong enough or creative enough. there've been soooo many versions of the cinderella story, and you could argue that almost every single one of them touch on feminism/the power of femininity in some way. i wish there was more focus on the difference in class, rich v poor, older vs younger generations, shit even self confidence and self love would've felt like stronger messages. of course i'm always going to love when there's some girl power scenes, and i did enjoy the daughter ending up queen, but i think making the main theme "girls are good enough!" is just not the strongest message, it's slightly outdated (as i think we all know girls can run a business in this day and age) plus it's just not very groundbreaking or creative. just my two cents lol