CGC or CBCS? What's the Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Gem explains the difference between the major #ComicBook grading companies #CGC and #CBCS
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Also, CBCS offers free grader's notes, so that you can see why your book received the grade it did. You have to pay extra for grader's notes from CGC.
Thats great
I'm CBCS all the way. Good to see the support for them in the comments. I feel anyone who knows goes with them. They said this can be done better and they have.
i think they just announced a census
I've used both companies and CBCS def has more stricter grading standards. CGC tends to be slightly more leniant on their end making it more favorable for a seller to use. CGC has been around for awhile so I see a lot of collectors tend to gravitate towards them. But dont overlook CBCS, their late to the party but their out there making moves!
I have been saying this for awhile. Well stricter I do believe I would prefer a more accurate rating over something getting overrated. Plus free grading notes has me favor CBCS over CGC.
Cgc definately overgrades. Cbcs has the more accurate grading. I think CGC excels in golden age and silver age books. They are more likely to catch trimmed books, faint restoration and missing pages. The same goes with the cgc census a valuable tool for golden age books but on modern books basically meaningless. Thousands of modern day books graded and then many have been cracked open and the label discarded even many already graded books resubmitted after pressing with never notifying the company that it was previously in their databases skewing any census.
Eric Purcell your 100% right and why I know 100% is I buy only CBCS crack send in to CGC and return in investment every single time. Grade bumps .5 to 1.0.. sometimes higher but not often.
I agree. I really like cbcs. There something about the underdog that appeals to me. I will use cbcs but not some shady company like pgx
Edit your post and change "their" to "they're." I don't take your comment serious with such simple grammar errors.
Have you considered doing an update to this video? CBCS has gained a lot of traction since this video and their books sell for the same in a lot of cases now. They now have a census too which takes away almost everything from CGC as far as advantages. It's a great video and accurate af at the time. CGC may be getting too big for it's britches.
There's no MAY! CGC has gotten too big for its own good. Something is up with CGC. I sent 4 modern books expedited in April this year. And still haven't received them. I called CGC customer support and a representative told me I won't receive my books until December this year. I also checked the status of these books last week in my CGC account. And all of my books just went into pressing 2 weeks ago🤣🤣🤣
I've been a subscriber of yours now for about 3 months and I've got to say you are most definitely the most informative person on RUclips about comic collecting. Keep up the outstanding work!
thanks! i appreciate that
@@GemMintCollectibles you're welcome, I appreciate your vast knowledge.
CBCS also gives a far more fair grading which deters people..why send to CBCS and get a 7.0 grade when you can send to CGC and get 7.5...thus the real reason people use CGC more.
Jonathan Taylor grading is all subjective
And that comment Makes zero sense
CGC might have a senses and sells more than CBCS, but CGC has become less objective in their grading on key issues in more recent years. I had ASM #361 that should be graded at a 7.5 and CGC gave me a 9.2....
Yeah but wjat the difference in a sales price of .5 and how long is the cgc wait?
@@oceanrising6137 well you made some more cash or not isn't that what u wanna make as well ?
Is that a legitimate argument? Is that an actual debate so what I’m hearing from you is let’s say I had a 9.6 book graded by CBCS that same book might be greater than a 10 by CGC?
Grader notes are something that CGC needs to offer for free. I've gotten some questionable grades and I would like to know how they were determined but to have to pay to see those notes to me is just a money grab. They take notes on every book regardless so it's not like they are taking extra time or effort to justify the additional cost. CBCS offers them for free but I agree CGC is the more desirable slab to have so I haven't used CBCS.
Eric Sartin Yes! CBCS has a QR code to scan that takes you directly to those notes on the issue, which as a collector, I love that since I can’t see the book in the slab.
At least it used to be, but anyone who used CGC for grading has free access to the grader's notes of the books they submitted.
CGC graded 10 should have a picture of Gem Mint in the corner lol.
Damn right
I appreciate the comparison between the two I do both. Both companies have their pros and cons i actually dont mind CBCS labels and i like their sig verification and they also have a raw graded service which cgc dont offer for you know the small subset of collectors that want to still read their graded copy.
Only issue I have with CGC is newton rings. I know it doesn't affect the books value, but it looks like garbage.
Casey Anderson yea same I just got my batman beyond graded and it came back with it on it 😒😒
@@TheBurnout101 that's the worst man. I have so many comics I've received as of late and every one of them had the rings. I'm just not submitting anything until they fix their product.
i have to admit the newton rings do seem to be an issue, just got my first set back and almost all of them have newton rings in them.
Yup, same here, i have 16 cgcs and all of them have newton rings.
@@shadjester1935 All 16 ?!?!? Damn :(
Can you make a video on a how to send submissions to CGC
Great info on the two. I knew Beckett was affiliated with cbcs buy didn't know they would authenticate. Makes me want to send in my MJ singed SI mag.
I like CBCS because they show up at smaller conventions. We have 1 major con a year close to me where both show up but the 3 or 4 smaller cons often CBCS will be there so I can get signature series or just hand off books to save on shipping!!. Oh I'm in Canada so it's also nice to go through CBCS and avoid hassles with the border - they take care of all that for you. I don't sell my books so for my personal collection I don't really care which one...as you say as long as it's not PGX it's good!!
Am a Old Time Collector that's been out for a while & thinking of sending some books. You Cleared up the CGC vs. CBCS for me.... that had been my thoughts a few years ago & it seems it's Still that way today.... Thanks!
Hurricane season my books go to CBCS since it's located in the middle of Texas which means no further delays due to a Tropical storm/Hurricane, I live in Texas sometimes it's more economical to make the drive to drop-off/pick up my books than to ship to FL (which also gives me peace of mind).
This is one of those things all of us collectors think about but never get around to finding out. Smalls you bring knowledge to us all and I appreciate it man. Keep doing your thing!
CBCS just doesn't want to do a census until they are comfortable with the size of their census. They are worried about inflating prices for some books they have low census numbers for compared to CGC or something, you know people confused not knowing about cgc and thinking that CBCS census is that exists. They do keep a record of what they've graded, from what I remember... don't quote me, but pretty sure cbcs plans to release a census at some point. Also, word is... you buy the silver and golden age pgx books at 6.0 or so, then crack it, press it and you can get a cgc 7.5 or 8.0 even... people are doing that at the moment I hear. Low grades are more an art compared to high grades is the word I hear about grades. But, I buy CBCS graded comics fairly frequently, given the lower price... high grades are high grades... census will be made public at some point, doesn't look like cbcs is going anywhere, imo
that makes sense
I need Signature Verifications! I have tons of books signed in the early 90s before CGC came out. Fuck that witness shit. CBCS has that PSA/Beckett sig verify. Love that option.
Many people new to comics had no idea about CGC or CBCS. A Wizard magazine issue in the 90's, stated if you didn't have a certification of authenticity, then the next best thing was to have the artist date their own signature. Obvious why it was the case, since CGC did not exist prior to the year 2000. CBCS at least can be used to verify the signature. It isn't like people who already had their comic books signed before year 2000, are going to attempt to have the same comics signed again by the artist if they are still alive.
I disagree slightly about getting the signature of someone who still works in comics verified by CBCS. I was getting comic books signed by artists and writers in the 1980's and 1990's. I've met George Perez, Mike Mignola, and Walt Simonson (among others). If I want to sell any of those books using CBCS to verify the signature (apparently even ones that I have certificates of authenticity for) is my only choice. I think its worth using them over getting a green CGC label
Sik vid Gem!! Buy the book not the grading company. I do prefer the feel of CGC cases but won't pass up a good deal in a CBCS😊😊🦇🕷
Keep the good work! I have returned and the whole grading thing was confusing. However I did decide to stick with CGC for all the reason you stated.
Totally new guy here when it comes to collecting, grading, pressing..etc. This video and the others have been really valuable.
I'm glad!
Great info just what I need for my travels into the CGC zone!! Now I know the difference..
I was wondering what the difference was between CGC and CBCS. Thanks for the info. Knowledge! Thanks bruh
Perfect video for deciding. I've got sigs, so it is CBCS.
Awesome job bro, whoever watches this video will definitely have a good understanding of the differences between both companies.
I use both cgc and cbcs but something that I've noticed is that I really feel like cbcs has a much clearer and crisper case if you ever put them side-by-side it just seems like there's a slight fog to the cgc cases compared to the CBCs slabs really I guess that's my only complaint with cgc
I’ve always been a collector of comics and how to store them but these videos are very informative in things that I don’t know. Thanks Gem 💎
I sent a Giant Size X-Men to CGC about 15 years ago. Still waiting for its return. The only story I ever got was from a mid level manager who said "We did have some books come up missing when xxx quit." Its OK though. They did pay me about 25% of the actual value after they refused to replace the book with a 9.8 because they were "pretty sure" my book was only a 9.6. I'm still waiting for some type of evidence but hey the experts have spoken.
Their motto should be CGC We always grade em before we take em.
That's sucks
You're waiting for the route to return but they've already pays you what it's worth. Your story is weird.
I like CBCS better for the grade notes, signature authentication, and more notes on the book on the label
Thanks for your knowledge I'm all for anything rare that most people don't have or can't get.
Damn I didn't know you had comic book class.👍👍👍Thanks for the Info now i understand why cgc is the standard amongst collectors.Glad I saw this video now before I started my collection with graded comics.
Very helpful. Always been a collector , but more hoarding for myself. Now wanting to change collection Into keys and slabs
I know PGX has poor reviews from years ago, however most current reviews seem to be positive. So I sent in 10 issues of ultimate Fallout #4. All 10 were just beautiful, with no spine ticks no color breaks no rolls. I special order them to not be in capsulized unless they were at least a 9.6. Now PGX had a perfect opportunity to charge my credit card with a pretty hefty grading bill, however they sent nine of them back ungraded and only grated one of them add a 9.6.
I was blown away, because these books look so clean and excellent.
I had no intentions of comparing companies, however I now am considering to send 4 them to cbcs and 5 of them to cgc with no minimum requirements and see what they get graded.
How’d that go if you ever did it?
All my graded comic books are from PGX and I have never had a problem. But that's just me.
That shirt tho ... make em say uuhhhhh na na na na good shit as always bub
I generally don’t resell books, just add to my PC. I have a mix of CGC, CBCS, PGX and Raw books. I’ve gambled on PGX books and won big. The reason I don’t have my personal books graded is the CGC pricing. I have a nice FF1 that would cost me $1k - $2k to have graded. I would rather put that money into another book.
Both has its good and bad. But not here to thrash about their bad, however one thing I really like with CGC is what they have recently done with their Spidey and Venom slabs. I would love Batman to get that as well!
Neat Video. I didn't even know about the other grading companies until now.
Nice and informative! Great job Gem!
Awesome video Gem like always its amazing to see you help out people who are trying to get into collecting
CBCS is the only one thats been at the cons around here. I had Beatty and Shooter sig.s (one witnessed and 1 Verified) for the Secret wars all slabbed. those were back in decent time, the 2 I got graded, are going to take forever.(est. over a year with pressing) but I didn't have to worry with packing and shipping, since I handed them directly to them. If CGC is ever at one of the cons I'll give then a shot, but not sure of any others I want slabbed right now.
Thanks Gem, really informative and concise. I’ve never had anything graded myself (only bought pre-graded) so this video is really useful
Solid video and review. Digging your content good sir. Really appreciate the way you let the hobby fund itself. For me it's so hard to let go of certain things, although I have .
I sold enough comics to pay 10% down on my house and enough to put 25% on a car. Also have done the same for a vacation.
Thinking about dipping my toe into selling. Thanks for these vids bro
Until CGC adds an office in Canada, I'll stick with CBCS. They also are more familiar with foreign books, and offer unverified signature grading.
Got my first one today posted on your FB trying to get into this game why I’m going back on all your old CGC videos.
I kinda agree with the ability to get some stuff witnessed signatures, however I have gotten many people at places where CGC were not there so there was no ability to get it witnessed. Also, the fact they charge a lot more to have someone witness isn't bad if you're getting one or two books signed, however, if you're getting many (at one point I got Claremont to sign 100 issues of Uncanny X-Men...have the whole run, working on getting many signed) signed then it becomes cost prohibitive to not only pay the person to sign each book, but then to pay on top of that to have the witness there (which sometimes doubles the cost of getting the books signed).....and what I don't understand is if there is a verification system for autographs, why CGC hasn't implemented that yet....sometimes I worry about getting the signature first, then want to get it graded at a later time (or even add to it (like I did recently with adding John Byrne to Chris Claremont on Uncanny X-Men #108, or Bob McLeod to Claremont on X-Men #94...or eventually wanting to add McFarlane to Amazing Spider-man 299 and 300, or Rob Liefeld to Fabian Nicieza on New Mutants 98)....like I said, it's for my personal collection right now so it doesn't bother me, except when it comes to insuring or taking care of them 20 yrs down the road.
Not bought any slabs as yet but would only buy cgc purely from watching ur channel 👍🏻💎 great info especially for a newer collector like me
i would strongly recommend that...you will see people making comments that they prefer CBCS...they are 100% not selling books
I grew up with Beckett being the authority in grading and pricing…I am getting back into the hobby, and I feel safer with them.
Hey Gem thanks very much for another interesting and informative video.
Since I joined the channel and Facebook group I learned a ton about comics and statues. I never really knew the difference between an absolute or omnibus and now I do. Keep doing what ur doing 👍🏻
I chose to go with CGC because of their stellar reputation to have Batman #251 certified. Took five weeks and they certified it 7.0 and restored!
This comic has been in the family since the late 1970’s. Was purchased for less than $10 back then, maybe even as low as $1.
I filed a complaint with them about the certification explaining the history of this comic and assuring them that there was no way it had ever been restored. And, that just putting the bogus statement of “restored” on this comic makes it completely worthless.
They said I could send it back in to have it re-graded for an another fee, of course. I didn’t choose that option. Why should I pay them again to the job they didn’t do, in the first place?
Next, I busted the CGC case open, removed the comic, and sent it to CBCS for another opinion. They took only two weeks and gave it a 7.5 with no mention of it being restored.
My opinion is that Certified Collectibles (CGC) cannot be trust to do the professional job, and should be avoided, always.
Hey gem!.I really appreciate the video and learned something new today,I guess the old saying is true "we learn something every day" so thank you!
I bought a PGX slabbed book for $18 a few months back. Just to have the book itself. After getting it home and looking it over I noticed, A piece of hair and a tiny piece of what looked to be white foam inside the slab. Both right on the cover. I don’t know much about grading or slabs but I’m pretty sure CGC or CBCS would never let that slide.
This is what I recommend. CGC for comics that may be more valuable or that you might want to possibly resell in the future, and CBCS for books that might just be for a personal collection with no intent to resell. I recently found a CBCS Batman New 52 #6 1:25 variant (1st Court of Owls) in a 9.8 yellow grade witnessed signatures by Snyder and Capullo and I got a heck of a deal on it because it wasn't CGC. According to the census, there's maybe 20 or less of these in the entire world signed in a 9.8. As a serious fan of this writer/illustrator I was super happy to get a good deal on it, even if it may not have as powerful a reselling ability in the future without a CGC slab because I have no intentions of reselling it. If it's not CGC or CBCS then I don't even mess with it PGX and other companies aren't even worth bothering with.
I'm new to the hobby, just got into comic books (both reading and collecting) during the unfortunate quarantine due to Covid-19 in Feb/March of 2020 but I feel that CGC has put me at rest as a young and new collector to the hobby. I like knowing that I can put my trust (and money!) into a comic and know that what I'm getting is legitimate and that I'm not getting scammed. Having the census data and sales history on sites like GoCollect allow me to not get overcharged. I recently paid $140.00 for my very first ever slabbed comic. I went with Black Hammer #1 (2015/2016) first-print which was the 1st appearance of all 6 major characters on the cover, and it's now been optioned for TV/Movie. I overpayed by maybe $20 but that was my choice because I personally love the series and the characters and wanted to own their 1st appearances. It's CGC graded 9.8 and I'm super happy with it, and I know that it is what it claims it is because CGC is just the gold standard. CBCS is cool too but I'd definitely lean towards CGC in 99% of situations unless maybe you know 100% you're not going to resell a book and you want to find it a bit cheaper for your personal collection.
The only time i buy PGX is when I can get the comic real cheap. Have it cracked, pressed. And then sent off to CGC.
I like CGC and CBCS for grading. CBCS is faster and I think their holders are better.
Agree
I've met CBCS at two comic cons I've been to. CGC will be at NYCC next month I believe. I'm still uncomfortable with sending my comics away to strangers waiting and trusting in people I don't know to grade my books... Ijs. I'm hoping in the future CGC or CBCS will have on site store locations to do this.
I took my comics to a local con with CGC last year and it WAS a horror story. The guys didn't know shit about comics and it turned out that only one guy there was actually cgc certified or whatever and the other people there were part of his family that he had helping him. They totally mis priced my sendoff and I was scared for the life of my Giant Size X-men. Dear god. Thankfully the comic shop owner who sent down that doofus called me up and rectified the whole thing and got my submission straightened out. Thankfully my Giant Size X-men and witnessed comics came back to me with good grades. They do give you a receipt with your order number and all that. Worth it for not having to ship yourself.
@@undead797 ... Christ! That is scary. Good you got your book(s) back at all! This is why I'm very hesitant.
Definitely loved this vid! Been interested in collecting never understood anything about this process until a few vids back that you have posted. Would love a tutorial of sorts on the process itself if that makes sense.
A breakdown between CGC, CBCS, PGX by the great one? Hell, yeah!👍🏽
FUCKING Salute for the No Limit shirt!!!!
Gem comin in with that KNOWLEDGE lolzzz
Great info Gem. I never cared for graded books, mainly because I wasn't interested in reselling. The only one I own is a 9.8 mcfarlane's spiderman #1 silver variant. I'll have to bite the bullet and perhaps get a few of my older books graded to sell and fund the hobby.
That’s funny I have sold Pgx and Cbcs comics and they have made solid prices
Cgc is the market leader but there are tons of people who buy graded comics
What is the process of sending books to Mike to get pressed and sent to CGC through him?
I have been using PGX I've had no problems.... And I have heard that CGC can take up to a year for you to get back your comic books.
Have you ever tried to sell one?
@@GemMintCollectibles No I haven't..
@gem mint collectibles, I was wondering if you can let me know if it's worth sending my 1984 Secret Wars 1st black suit Spiderman Symbiote suit appearance to CGC. It is near Mint condition and would like to know what it's worth and how rare is this book? I have the complete set
It's great that you don't mind gearing a video to newcomers. When I first started collecting omnis a couple of years ago, I joined the Omni Bros Facebook page and I saw all these acronyms that people were using. But when I asked "What's IST? What's LCS?" I was accused of trolling! The guy in charge ("Riley the 'mo?") eventually kicked me out and banned me after I reported some harassment by some of his bro buddies like Mathieu Douche...can't recall the exact names. Close enough.
I do like dealing with CGC mostly regarding getting my comics graded, but unfortunately not every comic book store or Con has CGC authorized witnesses or dealers. That is where CBCS comes in at a time of need when CGC is unavailable perfect example was when I went to Huntsville Comic Expo back in March CBCS was the only option to getting a comic graded at the event. Don't get me wrong CGC is my number one choice, but CBCS also has what is called their OAP "Original Art Program" where you can for the size of a backing board or 8 x 10 sized paper have original artwork done by you favorite artist also be encapsulated and graded or just slabbed as long as it meets their OAP criteria something CGC doesn't currently offer.
Interesting did not know that cbcs did that
CBCS books look fine to me. Can always convert to CGC if you want.
I sent in a Detective 880 for rating and got an 8.0, I expected at the very elastic a 9.4. What pisses me off is that there is no notes
Ya I will say the census is really cool. I'm huge 90s New Warriors fan and I am one of few ppl that got Night Thrasher Four Control #1 and Night Trasher #1 signed and cgc. It's not signature series though cuz when I was at Newark Con I didnt realize they needed to be at the table to witness it. But makes sense.
My question is of u want signature series but cgc reps are not present at a low profile local con.
Do u call and set up a consultation or something?
What were the problems with the newer CGC slabs? And we’re they corrected?
That No limit tee is fits.. shout out from the 504 7th ward! I still bump Unpredictable to this day!
Very well presented.
CBCS blue labels are great for CGC collectors to buy if they can't find the same book they're looking for in CGC slabs or raw. They can always buy those and 'reslab' them to CGC. The grades will be similar and even the label color will be.
But the same cannot be said about CBCS yellow labels. CGC collectors can't buy those, have them reslabbed to CGC, and still retain a yellow label.
I'm sitting on two comics that I got direct from and signed by Rob Liefeld. I don't want to send them to CBCS so I am just keeping them in BCW comic book frames. If CGC does starts to offer a similar signature verification service I will get them graded right away.
Were these signatures witnessed by CGC???🤔
@@pwilson2345 No
CGC is the go-to, with art labels they are looking nice. Definitely more presentable...However, CBCS does have QR reader labels on the back that you can scan and it will take you to the grading notes of that slabbed book. So that I like, and I have heard CBCS is working on their archives to create a census for buyers as well.
CBCS could really step up now that CGC has been having troubles the last couple weeks.
Very informative Gem! Great vid!
I wish there are more EGS graded comics cause I would rather purchase their books
I'm trying to collect Todd McFarlanes marvel run. do you know where I could find a list? thanks 😁
Who is Mike, and how do I send my books for pressing and grading
All I know is CGC is a pain if you live in Canada for customs paperwork--CBCS takes care of that for you and does not milk you financially for the change in currency.
Thank God we still have CBCS to encapsulate and grade our treaures.
Very informative video. Can you send a already graded CGC back to be pressed?
I feel you there on the CBCS labels. I'm from Canada and they have a spot on the East Coast we can send our books to for cheaper then CGC and get it back in less time. But.... I'm REALLY not feeling their basic labels..... CGC has really nice labels and I just can't buy a cheaper one because it just looks cheaper. In my humble opinion. :)
Great video! This is a question I’ve always asked is how reputable CBCS. Always a great show on this channel! #mintyfresh
Very informative video, thank you sir. I have some comics I was looking to get graded, nothing fancy or cool. More want to do it as a hobby
Feel like the only time you'll see me use CBCS, is for previous signed books.
that's how i always felt about it
I would say another key difference between CGC and others are the new character labels such as Spider-Man, Avengers, Hulk, etc that CGC just started offering too!
I just read the article in the Overstreet 50th Anniversary Price Guide on CBCS, and Steve himself said they do use a census.
Yea, it’s new
I guess you could say if your concern is getting the highest quality graded book for the best price and have no intention of reselling it then you could use the fact cbcs sells for less to your advantage.
true
Sorry how do you get comic books "pressed" and to whom do you send them to? I am from Canada fyi.
Just search for a local person that specify in comic book pressing OR when you send to CGC you can request them to press it prior to grading for a fee. There’s a lot of options. I would just say that I heard CGC pressing isn’t the best since they have so many to do. So it’s better to go through someone else if you have the time to wait
@@RetroExhibitCollective Thanks. Good advice.
David Dorward no problem! I was in the same position as you not long ago. I ended up using a local shop and a place in North Carolina called Premiere Pressing, the guy does a pretty good job
Thanks for the info. Bringing tremendous value to the masses.
As ODB says;
‘Ooh, baby, I like it raw
Yeah baby, I like it raw
Ooh, baby, I like it raw
Yeah baby, I like it raw…’
This was a great video thank you
I would love to hear more about the pressing process! Never really dug into it.
Thank you! David from Toronto
Good vid.. I agree with it all and couldn't have said it much better. Where are you located?
in el paso tx right now
Thanks for the video but now I'm shocked as the first comic you showed Spider man 24 and you said it's Dopplegangers first appearance? I just bought Infinity war issue 1, 2 months ago thinking that was the first appearance of Doppleganger? Which one is wrong here and please help me out as now I'm going to want to get that issue 24.
Thanks
cgc says its the first ap...i agree about IW1