I am wondering if with the update to the BB36 if they are moving it towards being more dressy because they will do a smaller Ranger to fill that 36mm-37mm sporty role. With the introduction of the BB54 at 37mm they have a new case that would work great for a Ranger in my mind. Similar to how they released the BB58 at 39mm and then released the 39mm Ranger later using the same case.
Tudor improved on basically every single complaint I had about the old Black Bay 36 range. No bracelet micro adjustment, power reserve too low, case too thick. At that price, the new Black Bays seriously offer a close to unbeatable value. I agree with you that these new Black Bays are more akin to the Datejust than the Explorer. Maybe one small personal preference I have, is the lower dial text used to be rounded, and I preferred the rounded text as it had more character.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tudor eventually brings the smiley text back, I expect it to take a few years after their entire line has in-house movements. There needs to be ample time for them to dissociate from ETA movements. For now, I would have preferred the bottom text to be a touch higher to reduce the negative space..
The bracelet did have micro adjustment, just not tool-less. The case is thicker on the new ones. I like the new Black Bays but the jubilee makes it look like a wannabe Datejust. If it had a oyster bracelet and was closer to $3k I’d be interested. But with the jubilee and being nearly $4k is too much for me.
Funny that no one talks about the all new 39mm size in this line-up. This is it's first appearance! Before it was the 32mm, 36mm, and 41mm. Now it's 31, 36, 39, and 41mm. This means that for guys who wanted an alternative to the Explorer, but 36mm is too small, they can go up to this 39mm size. Of course they can go for the new Ranger as well but this is just another great option.
Great vid, awesome size comparison. They look pretty close in size. I think this new Black Bay’s sibling is the Oyster Perpetual. The North Flag’s sibling is the new 40mm Explorer. Leaving the 36mm Explorer in its own.
I’m a huge fan of this, I have a 124270, so likely the 36 would appeal most, in blue. If they bring a green dial out then it’s definitely game over for me.
@@KCTimeShare time will tell, but the new black bay on jubilee is very close to the look of a DJ, and the green dial is great in my opinion, but so is the blue 😁
Petrol green which Nomos released together with polar blue on their Club Sport Neomatik a few months ago would be cool. No doubt they had an inkling brands would be releasing some version of these colors at this year's WaW. Ingenieur and Skydweller are a couple models that immediately come to mind.
I’m thinking about a DateJust but now I’m wondering why spend almost $6k more than this Tudor Black Bay on jubilee bracelet. I would like to possibly use as a dress watch. Same 5 yr warranty, in house movement. Seems like the only thing I’m paying for is the Rolex name at this point.
@@KCTimeShare agree, wait is way too long. Had the old bb36 in blue and loved it except for movement with low power reserve. This new superior movement fixes that. Need to check it out first on my wrist. See if it justifies the higher price. Do you know if lug width is still 19mm before the taper?
I'm considering giving up my BB58 blue because I don't like the clasp/strap that much, I think this watch would be the best alternative, and the Black Bay 36 is also very underestimated!
The new BB36 has a very different style to the previous BB36. The new one is a lot less sporty. I like both but would get the new one if I can only choose one 😆
@@KCTimeShare Totally agree with u! The Jubilee makes the Watch more dressier & I like that. Which blue of the dial do you like better? BB58 or that of the new BB36?
It's not the same dial silver wise, it's a tad more yellow. I would be interested to see it because I felt the previous version (the silver version you had) was too close to the colour of the steel case etc, that there wasn't enough contrast between the two. Hopefully the new version shows a bit better in that respect.
I think you might be right, Tudor official website does say 'Champagne' dial, though it looks very similar to the 'Silver' dial from before to my eyes. Granted I didn't have them side by side so I was recalling from my memory.
The Black Bay 36 M79500-0007 is the only true frugal alternative to the Rolex Explorer 1 (m124270-0001) 36mm hands down! But now Tudor and Rolex decided a different route for it. The new BB36 and the other size variants are now more of the OP alternative. I am keeping my M79500-0007 But the BB34 is a good value proposition.
Whats the difference in the tapering of the bracelet? Seens like the explorer / dj has a better tapering (15/16mm) instead of the new tudor (the old one tapers to 17/18)
Thanks for doing this comparison. The old BB36 was considered a bit of an Explorer alternative, and had that great lacquered/glossy dial. I had hoped for a 39mm variant with the same lacquered dial and Oyster with T-fit, but my hopes were dashed. This seems like a great watch on its own (I would wear the blue one in 39mm), but more dressy and like a Datejust alternative (without the date, which seems like an odd omission). It's such a shame, but I think the old model will become even more of a cult classic than it sort of was already.
Great video, and the blue is nice. I wish however the black dial did not was not gold gilt--looks too similar to the BB58. wish it were just classic black with white markers & hands.
I tend to agree with you here, Jim! Unfortunately, I couldn't check out the Black dial in person, hopefully I can see how it looks in real life soon and see if I can fully agree with you haha
Completely agree, wish the 54 was the same. Don't want every watch they release to be 'vintage' because of gilt on the markers or bezel. I very much doubt they'll ever do it though as it's too close to Rolex territory.
It depends on stock level, some ADs which are still trying to shift the old stocks might still have them but for those who sold out the old stock, they will no longer receive more.
Me too, no date is ok for me. Price is a lot less not to mention getting hold of a DJ. Tudor has Rolex dna anyway being now made in a state of the art new factory in Switzerland.
Hi KC, i agree with what you said about the new BB36. (disclaimer, I haven't seen the real thing yet) But, I think I'm more disappointed with the new release. Perhaps I had too much expectations for the new release? I had been looking forward to the movement upgrade and T-fit clasp in the old BB36. But keeping that smooth dial. Although the new sunburst dial (especially the blue, man) does compliment greatly with the jubilee bracelet, additionally we can now experience the Jubilee at a lower price (no need to wait for that Datejust). But I already have a great Datejust alternative at hand, with the SPB259 Seiko Ginza Alpinist. And I feel like the new BB36 blue sunburst dial can never surpast the beauty of the SPB259 unfortunately. 🤔 And its seems weird that a "Datejust" alternative, doesn't have the date function. Therefore, although the new BB36 has all the features of a Datejust 36. In the end, it isn't a true alternative in my opinion. With this change with Tudor's BB36. I feel like Tudor doesn't want it to clash with the Rolex OP 36. And points to all who want such alternatives (Explorer 1/OP alike) to just save up and wait for the OP 36. 😮💨 Funny thing that the new BB36 cost the same as the new BB54 🤷♂
Hey Leo, after reading your comment, I feel really stupid to call the BB36 an "alternative" to the DJ36. How could I miss your point about the fact that the BB36 doesn't have a date complication? 😅 If you like the SPB259 more, that's good for you, and I'm sure your wallet would agree haha
Hey, no stress man. Many are also comparing the new BB36 to the Datejust. I think is just us trying to justifying how much we still love it (and wanna buy it 😂). Even after what I said. I’m somehow still trying to find reasons (those you mentioned in your vid) to justify a purchase 😂
Love this watch, especially with the blue dial. Comparison to Rolex datejust is strange, this one doesn't have a date! Tudor also seems to have just 1 MT caliber that is 3 hands with a date (MT5612). It only goes into their 41-42mm dive watches. I wonder if it can even fit into the BB 36mm.
Date aside, the whole vibe of the watch is very DateJust like don’t you think? I wonder if Tudor reserved the date function on certain models to protect the Rolex brother 🤔
The 2023 BB36 blue looks like a green-grey sort of blue rather than my preference which is a dark primary blue. That's my only criticism, but it's more of a preference than a criticism.
Tudor will win much more ground if they make their cases thinner. My GMT 16710 3185 Z fits just perfect for me. Diameter, cases height, lug to lug wrist comfort. The Tudor GMT also caught me by its vintage appearance if not the thick case would disrupt the overall feeling. The new black bay burgundy "jubilee" moves towards a hot selling.
With Tudor and Rolex you never should think about money. I give you an example. My first Rolex was an Oyster Perpetual. I bought it back in 1996 for 1400$ with a discount. Blue dial and the "oyster" bracelet. Imagine from this time on, you would have spend this amount of money buying either Rolex or Tudor each year!
The 31 is a much better option to a lady Datejust. Lady’s are more bothered about the branding than the watch though. I want the BB41 Blue and it will be interesting to see how it compares to an OP41 Blue. I do think it’s a shame Tudor have not done another Oyster Style for it, but maybe that will happen.
I also really wish Tudor would offer the Oyster bracelet option for this new BB line up, though the Jubilee style suits the sunburst dial more IMO~ Just my 2 cents!
Interesting how you prefer the dot second hand. I thought the snowflake hands suits the hour hand better, but I do like the non-smiley text more! It would be great if Tudor can release an Oyster style bracelet option for users to chose from!
Amazing watch, but why is no one talking about the price increases theses have been seeing? $2900 -> $3900 in 4 years! Not sure if they are worth it given that history.
Oh yes, the jump is huge. But the new model does have an in house movement with better power reserve, and the new bracelet and dial do look a bit more premium than the tool style from the old model. Price hike is expected but whether it is worth it or not is another matter.
It is indeed high vs the older version, but I think it is still fairly priced all things considered. Yeh, the used market would offer great value in a couple of years I reckon.
the loss of crown stem and snowflake seconds lume is such a loss of identity. between that and the jubilee, it just makes tudor seem even more like "rolex-at-home" :/
Completely agree. BB36 and the original Black Bay models have a lot of charm that is just simply missing from these new models, now it feels like they're just mostly riding with the snowflake hour hand. Going dressy with the BB36 line seems like a weird choice to me as well, IMO there's too much overlap with Royal now.
@@KCTimeShare it definitely has loads of good changes, it may be the "one watch" i'd recommend to someone at that price range for sure! and if it were present as a bb58 alternative when i purchased that, it would've been tempting. but unless it's at the upper end of one's budget as a grail, it feels harder to choose this watch as it's lost some of its niche "why"s. i.e. "why" get this watch? "because i can't get a rolex." that's a totally respectable reason, it's just lame there aren't really aesthetic reasons on top of that anymore. i will say the light blue sunburst looks nice, especially with the milgauss's electric blue now out of the picture
@Bruce To your point, if I'm able to sell the Zed Bleu at a good price I might buy either the 36 or 39 to still have a blue watch with similar aesthetic in my collection and be happy with the extra cash. I love the Milgauss but it wears top heavy due to the faraday cage and the green glass makes the dial less legible from some angles compared to other watches. Who knows, maybe it's because I'm partially colorblind.
@@marcheezy. i have the same issue with the milgauss, it's such a slab on the wrist that it ends up feeling very dated, which is not how something spiritually "sciency/techy" should feel. always felt its chunkiness was an unfortunate contrast to how smooth and sexy the curves on its case are. it's definitely cool and unique, but the thing about novelties is they are eventually not so novel anymore.
Dials are what lets Tudors down. When they go for the faux vintage look many of the flaws are forgiven. But on a piece like this its easy to see Tudor is overpriced.
Looking back, the Tudor Royal was a flop. The updated BB36 did not do anything to fix a sinking ship. The Black Bay Burgundy Bezel stopped the bleeding. The Black Bay 54 was a hit, a home run. It kept the brand alive, until 2024 when the BB56 GMT and BB Monocrome could arrive. Let’s see what happens in 2025…
tried the BB 39 blue today at my Tudor AD ... almost perfect in every regard ... for me personally if it had a date it would've been perfect.. still the sun burst dial , change in case shape and Smaller Snowflake Hour hand made it much less "Diver Looking" compared to the Previous Version . this and the BB41 burgundy is definitely the highlights of this years tudor line-up . also tried the BB54 and found it too small.
@@KCTimeShare wish I could've tried them all! They were all at my AD including the chocolate dial royal . The only one that wasn't was the one I went their for and that was the black black burgundy .. Ah well . Had more thought I think I'm going with the BB GMT . Just can't see myself being happy after a while with a watch with no date especially one that costs in the several thousands!
Amazing how cheap the Tudor looks compared to the Explorer. Word of advice having owned both. Just go directly for the Explorer if you're considering a BB36/41. As soon as you own the BB you immediately start shopping for an Explorer.
@@KCTimeShare Yeah, I mean on it's own merit the black bay is an excellent piece. And it's very high quality. But it's outclassed by the rolex in basically every way when you put them next to each other. As it should at the higher price. So as long as you never have them side by side you're good.
I owned a bb36 for3 years. Felt great on the wrist, quality bracelet with Rolex dna. Having owned OP and this one , for the money more than holds it own. OP has superior movement no doubt.
Oh yes, the BB36 does look more expenisve than the Explorer! But I guess the Explorer is not meant to look expensive? Regarding T-Fit, it is no excuse but I guess it is because the Explorer is an 'older' model.
@@KCTimeShare the ' new' 40mm doesn't have an adjustable clasp either. Just think Tudor might be cannibalising into the Rolex catalogue at this point...
Tell me, why would Rolex make a Tudor with the same build quality as a Rolex and sell it for less than half the price.. They wouldn’t, and they don’t. The Tudor is a decent watch for the money. However, denying the fact that it is of lower build quality than Rolex is just ridiculous. Tudor was created for a reason.
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Love the new Tudor watches this year! Every aspect has been improved and I was lucky to pick up the BB54 today! Video coming soon...
Big congrats on your pick up! The BB54 is a sweet one!
@@KCTimeShare Cheers pal
@@TheLumeRoom I was hoping NOT to like the BB54 so I wouldn't need to buy it. But it looks GREAT. Looking forward to your review.
@S C Thanks mate. I'll get filming in the next day or so!
Congrats!
Beautiful Tudor and love the new adjustment system of the bracelet.
Oh yes, totally! It is the best upgrade ever!
I am wondering if with the update to the BB36 if they are moving it towards being more dressy because they will do a smaller Ranger to fill that 36mm-37mm sporty role. With the introduction of the BB54 at 37mm they have a new case that would work great for a Ranger in my mind. Similar to how they released the BB58 at 39mm and then released the 39mm Ranger later using the same case.
A very interesting observation. Maybe a Ranger comeback is incoming next year 😎
Tudor improved on basically every single complaint I had about the old Black Bay 36 range. No bracelet micro adjustment, power reserve too low, case too thick. At that price, the new Black Bays seriously offer a close to unbeatable value. I agree with you that these new Black Bays are more akin to the Datejust than the Explorer. Maybe one small personal preference I have, is the lower dial text used to be rounded, and I preferred the rounded text as it had more character.
Sadly the smily face is gone, let's say thanks to the in house movement 😂
@Randy Halischuk You are absolutely right, I forgot about that. Goodbye my smiley friend
@Randy Halischuk Merci pour cette juste observation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tudor eventually brings the smiley text back, I expect it to take a few years after their entire line has in-house movements. There needs to be ample time for them to dissociate from ETA movements. For now, I would have preferred the bottom text to be a touch higher to reduce the negative space..
The bracelet did have micro adjustment, just not tool-less. The case is thicker on the new ones. I like the new Black Bays but the jubilee makes it look like a wannabe Datejust. If it had a oyster bracelet and was closer to $3k I’d be interested. But with the jubilee and being nearly $4k is too much for me.
Funny that no one talks about the all new 39mm size in this line-up. This is it's first appearance! Before it was the 32mm, 36mm, and 41mm. Now it's 31, 36, 39, and 41mm. This means that for guys who wanted an alternative to the Explorer, but 36mm is too small, they can go up to this 39mm size. Of course they can go for the new Ranger as well but this is just another great option.
That's a very good point, thanks for pointing this out!
finally one person...
I am still searching to find a hands on review with the 39mm version 😄
I agree with you... absolutly
@@TP50000 me, too...
36 is good for smaller men but doesn't fit a lot of men.
At 04:33 BB's second hand moves counter-clockwise ???
Well spotted! I edited it using the "reverse" function 🤣
Great vid, awesome size comparison. They look pretty close in size. I think this new Black Bay’s sibling is the Oyster Perpetual. The North Flag’s sibling is the new 40mm Explorer. Leaving the 36mm Explorer in its own.
I would love to have all the watches you mentioned in my collection! 😁
I got this in 41 and absolutely love it. The blue seems to look different in various forms of light it’s really awesome
The blue is beautiful indeed! It reminds me of the Rolex DateJust as well 😎
Tudor bb36 new is the best 💙
Nice video! What is the circumference of your wrist?
Thanks! It is ~6"
Thanks for the vid, great comparison.
I have the black BB 36 and am looking forward to buy the blue.
That would make a very good combo!
I’m a huge fan of this, I have a 124270, so likely the 36 would appeal most, in blue. If they bring a green dial out then it’s definitely game over for me.
I am somehow not too sure how I would feel about a green sunburst dial on the BB, it would be an interesting look 👀
@@KCTimeShare time will tell, but the new black bay on jubilee is very close to the look of a DJ, and the green dial is great in my opinion, but so is the blue 😁
Petrol green which Nomos released together with polar blue on their Club Sport Neomatik a few months ago would be cool. No doubt they had an inkling brands would be releasing some version of these colors at this year's WaW. Ingenieur and Skydweller are a couple models that immediately come to mind.
I’m thinking about a DateJust but now I’m wondering why spend almost $6k more than this Tudor Black Bay on jubilee bracelet. I would like to possibly use as a dress watch. Same 5 yr warranty, in house movement. Seems like the only thing I’m paying for is the Rolex name at this point.
Not only are you paying for the Rolex name, you are also paying to play the silly 'waiting game' 😂
@@KCTimeShare agree, wait is way too long. Had the old bb36 in blue and loved it except for movement with low power reserve. This new superior movement fixes that. Need to check it out first on my wrist. See if it justifies the higher price.
Do you know if lug width is still 19mm before the taper?
@@kennykoalabear I actually don’t know if the lug width was 20mm or 19mm. If it was 20mm, it would fit my BB58 well 🤭
The Tudor looks better to me!
It does look good, doesn't it!
interesting to note that the new bb36 has 100m of water resistance as supposed to 150m of the previous model
Oh yes, you are absolutely right! This is indeed a downgrade from the prior model, though I'm indifferent between 150M or 100M if I'm honest. Cheers~
Can you confirm if the old oyster bracelet works on the new black bay 36? It would look really cool in my opinion
Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to your question. I hope someone else would be able to confirm.
Thank you so much for making this video!!! Long awaited
You are very welcome! Thanks for your support 🫡
Love the jubilee bracelet! Looks great, is it possible to combine the black bay 58 with this bracelet?
That is a very good question which I don't have an answer to I'm afraid. Let's hope that someone can confirm...
I also wonder, someone already know this?
Lovely watch. However I would still prefer an Oyster bracelet option too...but hey, that's just me :)
Great video as always my friend. Cheers
Thanks man! Yes, it would be nice if we get the option to pair it with the Oyster!
Great review
Thank you!
Jubilee OP. Beautiful job, Tudor.
Oh yeh, it is very beautiful indeed!
Are the oyster style bracelets and fabric bracelet an option to buy afterward?
Nope, the 2023 BB31/36/39/41 only comes in the Jubilee style bracelet. No official fabric/oyster option for this model I'm afraid.
I'm considering giving up my BB58 blue because I don't like the clasp/strap that much, I think this watch would be the best alternative, and the Black Bay 36 is also very underestimated!
The new BB36 has a very different style to the previous BB36. The new one is a lot less sporty. I like both but would get the new one if I can only choose one 😆
@@KCTimeShare Totally agree with u! The Jubilee makes the Watch more dressier & I like that. Which blue of the dial do you like better? BB58 or that of the new BB36?
Great video KC
Thanks Khae!
this watch is just beautiful, i am really excited about the jubilee
(and the T-Fit) 😬
@@KCTimeShare and do you think it is safe to go swimming with it every week ?
I think it would be safe. But I personally would rather wear an Apple watch for swimming 😬
How does the 32mm compare to the 31mm in size? Would love a video on this sized watch!
Hey Lisa, I don't believe there is a 32mm BB at the moment.
I hope the next release will come with a date window.
It would then become a true DateJust alternative 🤯
It's not the same dial silver wise, it's a tad more yellow. I would be interested to see it because I felt the previous version (the silver version you had) was too close to the colour of the steel case etc, that there wasn't enough contrast between the two. Hopefully the new version shows a bit better in that respect.
I think you might be right, Tudor official website does say 'Champagne' dial, though it looks very similar to the 'Silver' dial from before to my eyes. Granted I didn't have them side by side so I was recalling from my memory.
Are you doing a review video on black bay 54 new release?
It would depend if I can get my hands on one. I will do my best 🫡
The original BB36 (Blue) is more of a tool watch.
Brushed surfaces, matte dial, big utilitarian crown.
A solid little tank.
Oh I totally agree! I love the OG BB36 too and I got very close to buying one!
Still regret selling my og ETA BB36. Such a great watch. These look lovely but not fan of the sunburst dial.
How does the bracelet compare in terms of thickness and taper?
That's a very good question... I wish I saw your question before I visited the AD 😔
this video is absolutely worthless. You did not measure or investigate anything. @@KCTimeShare
No sneak peek at the salmon dial royal?and the full stell bb’s look great, im torn between the two tone and all steel models
Bad advice from KC: "Just get both!"
The Black Bay 36 M79500-0007 is the only true frugal alternative to the Rolex Explorer 1 (m124270-0001) 36mm hands down! But now Tudor and Rolex decided a different route for it. The new BB36 and the other size variants are now more of the OP alternative. I am keeping my M79500-0007 But the BB34 is a good value proposition.
Same as u are, still loving my old bb36 and will never let it go
I love the new 36 BB too! Very lovely
The only question is, which colour?!
Whats the difference in the tapering of the bracelet? Seens like the explorer / dj has a better tapering (15/16mm) instead of the new tudor (the old one tapers to 17/18)
I wish I had my tool with me that day to get the answer to your question 🥲
Horses for courses. I loved the tapering on the old bb36.
Thanks for doing this comparison. The old BB36 was considered a bit of an Explorer alternative, and had that great lacquered/glossy dial. I had hoped for a 39mm variant with the same lacquered dial and Oyster with T-fit, but my hopes were dashed. This seems like a great watch on its own (I would wear the blue one in 39mm), but more dressy and like a Datejust alternative (without the date, which seems like an odd omission). It's such a shame, but I think the old model will become even more of a cult classic than it sort of was already.
I agree with you here Sean! Perhaps Tudor didn’t include a date on purpose here to make it less of a direct alternative to the DJ 🫣
It's hard to say which I like more.... it might actually be the Tudor believe it or not.
The 'easiest' way is to just get both 😆
What’s your wrist size ?
It is ~6”
2 must have watches
@@caalar If money is no object lol
@@KCTimeShare yeah :D
Great video, and the blue is nice. I wish however the black dial did not was not gold gilt--looks too similar to the BB58. wish it were just classic black with white markers & hands.
I tend to agree with you here, Jim! Unfortunately, I couldn't check out the Black dial in person, hopefully I can see how it looks in real life soon and see if I can fully agree with you haha
Completely agree, wish the 54 was the same. Don't want every watch they release to be 'vintage' because of gilt on the markers or bezel. I very much doubt they'll ever do it though as it's too close to Rolex territory.
Is the case back see through?
Nope, sadly not!
The blue sunburst dial pops on this watch
It is very nice indeed!
Did you measure the actual thickness of the piece?
Unfortunately I didn’t have my tool with me 🥹
The new Tudor Black Bay 31mm with Sunburst Blue dial is 🔥 Wish they had made the Black Bay with the Burgundy bezel in a 31mm for us ladies!
I think the BB31 is a winner for ladies! In fact, I'm considering getting one for my Mrs!
The black bay 41’s colour is anthracite not black! It’s pretty good
I like the new sunray dial but wish the blue was richer, like the heritage model. Needs more punch and a bigger contrast in the sunray effect.
That is actually something I've noticed too, the blue on my Rolex DJ is much richer than the blue used in the BB36!
KC,are you not interested in getting a 54?
I think it is too similar to my OG BB58. But I still like the 58 more because the 54 is too monochromatic to my eyes 👀
Those captions though!
can you still buy the old one at the AD ?
It depends on stock level, some ADs which are still trying to shift the old stocks might still have them but for those who sold out the old stock, they will
no longer receive more.
thank you for your reply @@KCTimeShare
i know a negative point: the lume is green, it just doesnt suit the more elegant bb36 anymore, they should have made it blue!
That's a very good observation, Alme! 👍🏼
Thanks for sharing. I just wish they kept the oyster bracelet and upgraded it with the T fit clasp. Other than that, a lot to like
Oh yes, it would be great if Tudor can offer an Oyster bracelet option for this watch!
Is the new BB36 still 19mm lug width? I’d be curious to see whether the tfit could be added to the old oyster bracelet.
It is something that I need to find out for myself too. I'm still looking for an answer 😶🌫️
Thanks for the video. I am seriously thinking of getting this very watch. It's so like the datejust at a fraction of the price lam a 36mm guy
I totally agree! I'm very tempted by the silver dial myself!
Me too, no date is ok for me. Price is a lot less not to mention getting hold of a DJ. Tudor has Rolex dna anyway being now made in a state of the art new factory in Switzerland.
Hi KC, i agree with what you said about the new BB36. (disclaimer, I haven't seen the real thing yet)
But, I think I'm more disappointed with the new release. Perhaps I had too much expectations for the new release? I had been looking forward to the movement upgrade and T-fit clasp in the old BB36. But keeping that smooth dial. Although the new sunburst dial (especially the blue, man) does compliment greatly with the jubilee bracelet, additionally we can now experience the Jubilee at a lower price (no need to wait for that Datejust). But I already have a great Datejust alternative at hand, with the SPB259 Seiko Ginza Alpinist. And I feel like the new BB36 blue sunburst dial can never surpast the beauty of the SPB259 unfortunately. 🤔
And its seems weird that a "Datejust" alternative, doesn't have the date function. Therefore, although the new BB36 has all the features of a Datejust 36. In the end, it isn't a true alternative in my opinion.
With this change with Tudor's BB36. I feel like Tudor doesn't want it to clash with the Rolex OP 36. And points to all who want such alternatives (Explorer 1/OP alike) to just save up and wait for the OP 36. 😮💨
Funny thing that the new BB36 cost the same as the new BB54
🤷♂
Hey Leo, after reading your comment, I feel really stupid to call the BB36 an "alternative" to the DJ36. How could I miss your point about the fact that the BB36 doesn't have a date complication? 😅 If you like the SPB259 more, that's good for you, and I'm sure your wallet would agree haha
Hey, no stress man. Many are also comparing the new BB36 to the Datejust. I think is just us trying to justifying how much we still love it (and wanna buy it 😂).
Even after what I said. I’m somehow still trying to find reasons (those you mentioned in your vid) to justify a purchase 😂
Love this watch, especially with the blue dial. Comparison to Rolex datejust is strange, this one doesn't have a date! Tudor also seems to have just 1 MT caliber that is 3 hands with a date (MT5612). It only goes into their 41-42mm dive watches. I wonder if it can even fit into the BB 36mm.
Date aside, the whole vibe of the watch is very DateJust like don’t you think? I wonder if Tudor reserved the date function on certain models to protect the Rolex brother 🤔
I just ordered a 41 blue dail with diamonds
I hope you will get your allocation VERY SOON! 🦾
Me gustaría saber las medidas del BB36 y BB39 y compararlas entre ellas. Buen vídeo, gracias.
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I would have liked to see a date option but otherwise it’s hard to find anything wrong. Great watch!
Oh yes, having a date complication would be amazing. A very good point!
The 2023 BB36 blue looks like a green-grey sort of blue rather than my preference which is a dark primary blue. That's my only criticism, but it's more of a preference than a criticism.
Good shout, I totally see what you mean! The blue on my Rolex DJ is richer than the BB36. I think I also prefer a darker blue too to be honest 😎
Tudor will win much more ground if they make their cases thinner. My GMT 16710 3185 Z fits just perfect for me. Diameter, cases height, lug to lug wrist comfort. The Tudor GMT also caught me by its vintage appearance if not the thick case would disrupt the overall feeling. The new black bay burgundy "jubilee" moves towards a hot selling.
I think the new BB Red would be the hottest Tudor release out of everything we have seen so far this year!
Exactly 👍🏾 We have no crystal sphere bu,t, it will become this way.
Add to it, we will get a waiting list for it. This could only be topped by a green version.
@@bokoler9107 The Blue dial BB36 featured in this video was actually available to purchase. The only thing missing is a pile of cash 😂
With Tudor and Rolex you never should think about money. I give you an example. My first Rolex was an Oyster Perpetual. I bought it back in 1996 for 1400$ with a discount. Blue dial and the "oyster" bracelet. Imagine from this time on, you would have spend this amount of money buying either Rolex or Tudor each year!
I wish it stuck with an oyster style bracelet.
That would be make it a pretty epic watch, wouldn't it!? 😎
Tudor bb36 with the smiley dial wins for me
The older generation has a more sporty vibe which is perfect for so many people 🫡
If I had to come up with one negative about the new BB36, it would be that Tudor changed the snowflake second hand to a lollipop.
I agree with you actually, the old second hand suits the hour hand better I think!
It’s not an alternative to the DJ as it has no date and that’s a main reason somebody would buy the DJ. It’s more an alternative to an OP.
You made a very good point actually 🫡
The 31 is a much better option to a lady Datejust.
Lady’s are more bothered about the branding than the watch though.
I want the BB41 Blue and it will be interesting to see how it compares to an OP41 Blue.
I do think it’s a shame Tudor have not done another Oyster Style for it, but maybe that will happen.
I also really wish Tudor would offer the Oyster bracelet option for this new BB line up, though the Jubilee style suits the sunburst dial more IMO~ Just my 2 cents!
I like the dot second hand, non smiley text on the new version but I hope they keep the old darker blue dial and offer an oyster bracelet option.
Interesting how you prefer the dot second hand. I thought the snowflake hands suits the hour hand better, but I do like the non-smiley text more! It would be great if Tudor can release an Oyster style bracelet option for users to chose from!
Amazing watch, but why is no one talking about the price increases theses have been seeing? $2900 -> $3900 in 4 years! Not sure if they are worth it given that history.
Oh yes, the jump is huge. But the new model does have an in house movement with better power reserve, and the new bracelet and dial do look a bit more premium than the tool style from the old model. Price hike is expected but whether it is worth it or not is another matter.
This blue version is growing on me. But the price is too high, I’ll wait for some to come on the used market.
It is indeed high vs the older version, but I think it is still fairly priced all things considered. Yeh, the used market would offer great value in a couple of years I reckon.
The Anthracite Dial is amazing. If you see one, do go try it out too
1:13 it's actually the downgrade: since the old BB 36 has 150M water resistance! you must have missed it !
You are absolutely right! I didn't realised the WR is reduced by 50M, though it doesn't impact me at all to be fair~
Not a deal breaker imo. Not a diver besides DJ and OP have 100 m WR.
i wished the bracelet was brushed
I think polished + brushed suits the Jubilee style whereas fully brushed suits the oyster style. But that's just my personal preference 😬
id rather have that than a date just
I wouldn't go this far but for the price, hands down Tudor takes the crown!
The round indices do not suit that style of watch in my opinion. It looks odd
Do you prefer stick indices?
@KC Time Share yes I believe I do. Depending on genre of watch. Round suit divers, stick suit dress or non diver sport. Again, mu opinion.
the loss of crown stem and snowflake seconds lume is such a loss of identity. between that and the jubilee, it just makes tudor seem even more like "rolex-at-home" :/
Very well said, Bruce. But some may see it as a +ve point, especially when it is almost impossible to get any Rolex model from an AD these days 🫣
Completely agree. BB36 and the original Black Bay models have a lot of charm that is just simply missing from these new models, now it feels like they're just mostly riding with the snowflake hour hand. Going dressy with the BB36 line seems like a weird choice to me as well, IMO there's too much overlap with Royal now.
@@KCTimeShare it definitely has loads of good changes, it may be the "one watch" i'd recommend to someone at that price range for sure! and if it were present as a bb58 alternative when i purchased that, it would've been tempting. but unless it's at the upper end of one's budget as a grail, it feels harder to choose this watch as it's lost some of its niche "why"s.
i.e. "why" get this watch? "because i can't get a rolex." that's a totally respectable reason, it's just lame there aren't really aesthetic reasons on top of that anymore. i will say the light blue sunburst looks nice, especially with the milgauss's electric blue now out of the picture
@Bruce To your point, if I'm able to sell the Zed Bleu at a good price I might buy either the 36 or 39 to still have a blue watch with similar aesthetic in my collection and be happy with the extra cash.
I love the Milgauss but it wears top heavy due to the faraday cage and the green glass makes the dial less legible from some angles compared to other watches. Who knows, maybe it's because I'm partially colorblind.
@@marcheezy. i have the same issue with the milgauss, it's such a slab on the wrist that it ends up feeling very dated, which is not how something spiritually "sciency/techy" should feel. always felt its chunkiness was an unfortunate contrast to how smooth and sexy the curves on its case are.
it's definitely cool and unique, but the thing about novelties is they are eventually not so novel anymore.
Dials are what lets Tudors down. When they go for the faux vintage look many of the flaws are forgiven. But on a piece like this its easy to see Tudor is overpriced.
What is wrong with the dial and how does it make it overpriced? 🤔
Looking back, the Tudor Royal was a flop. The updated BB36 did not do anything to fix a sinking ship. The Black Bay Burgundy Bezel stopped the bleeding. The Black Bay 54 was a hit, a home run. It kept the brand alive, until 2024 when the BB56 GMT and BB Monocrome could arrive. Let’s see what happens in 2025…
The BB58 GMT and the Monochrome Metas BB are certainly a home run in my eyes!
I dont like the sunburst, otherwise im OK with the changes.
Oh no you didn't~! (just kidding)
They should have kept it as an explorer competitor, they ruined it with the jubilee bracelet and lack of a solid black or white dial
The style has shifted, but whether it is for the better or not depends on people taste I guess?
It’s not a Datejust alternative because it doesn’t have a date!
if only it did while maintaining the Thickness it is now .. perfect alternative to the Date-Just for MUCH less .
@@justinlangley9522 Would you put the date at 3 or at 6?
Point taken! haha
@@fjdcwc832 I much prefer the date at the 6pm mark. But if it was nicely framed at the 3pm with a lume plot to the right it be good also.
Why I keep hearing “46”???
My bad accent 🫠
New BB36 is just an OP/DJ mashup. Old BB36 character is gone, it’s no longer a sporty tool watch.
Totally agree on your first point. Sad but probably true about your second remark 🥲
To me, this is more of a female oriented watch. Really nice and would love to buy one for my wife. I’m not being cynical, I really do like it.
Totally fair, Gal. I also think it would be a very nice watch for my Mrs, especially the Silver 31mm with the diamond set!
Oh ok mr big wrist
tried the BB 39 blue today at my Tudor AD ... almost perfect in every regard ... for me personally if it had a date it would've been perfect.. still the sun burst dial , change in case shape and Smaller Snowflake Hour hand made it much less "Diver Looking" compared to the Previous Version . this and the BB41 burgundy is definitely the highlights of this years tudor line-up . also tried the BB54 and found it too small.
Woo Justin! It is great that you got to try them all out already, good for you man!
@@KCTimeShare wish I could've tried them all! They were all at my AD including the chocolate dial royal . The only one that wasn't was the one I went their for and that was the black black burgundy .. Ah well . Had more thought I think I'm going with the BB GMT . Just can't see myself being happy after a while with a watch with no date especially one that costs in the several thousands!
What size wrist do you have?
The older bb36 was better
It does look good! Whether it is better or not is questionable 👻
Im with u on this
Silver dial? You sure it isn’t a champagne?
You are correct! Without a side by side comparison, the new dial looks very similar to the previous model 😅
I own the Champagne. Was wearing while watching the video. Very subtle champagne.@@KCTimeShare
Electronic better than!
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corporate wants us to find the difference between these two watches (theyre the same watch)
Then let's just go with the cheapest 😉
Its Champagne not Silver
You are 100% correct! I made a mistake in my video.
Is the clasp still too long?😂
Nope, not at all!
Old 36 better
Totally agreed
Amazing how cheap the Tudor looks compared to the Explorer. Word of advice having owned both. Just go directly for the Explorer if you're considering a BB36/41. As soon as you own the BB you immediately start shopping for an Explorer.
That's interesting, after handling both in person, I don't think the Tudor feel cheap at all, but that's just my personal opinion.
@@KCTimeShare Yeah, I mean on it's own merit the black bay is an excellent piece. And it's very high quality.
But it's outclassed by the rolex in basically every way when you put them next to each other. As it should at the higher price. So as long as you never have them side by side you're good.
In my experience I’d probably skip the Explorer, keep the BB36 and cross my fingers that the new tfit clasp can be added to the old BB36 oyster. 😊
I owned a bb36 for3 years. Felt great on the wrist, quality bracelet with Rolex dna. Having owned OP and this one , for the money more than holds it own. OP has superior movement no doubt.
the BB36 looks more expensive than the explorer ...
also, why does the BB36 have a T fit clasp when the Explorer doesn't have that level of adjustment...
Oh yes, the BB36 does look more expenisve than the Explorer! But I guess the Explorer is not meant to look expensive? Regarding T-Fit, it is no excuse but I guess it is because the Explorer is an 'older' model.
@@KCTimeShare the ' new' 40mm doesn't have an adjustable clasp either. Just think Tudor might be cannibalising into the Rolex catalogue at this point...
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The Tudor just looks like a cheapened version of a Rolex. Oh yea, it’s is.
Doesn't look cheap at all.
After handling both the BB36 and the Explorer side by side, I honestly don't think the Tudor looks/feels cheap at all. But that's just my 2 cents!
Tell me, why would Rolex make a Tudor with the same build quality as a Rolex and sell it for less than half the price.. They wouldn’t, and they don’t. The Tudor is a decent watch for the money. However, denying the fact that it is of lower build quality than Rolex is just ridiculous. Tudor was created for a reason.
@@whereRbearsTeeth plenty of happy campers!