I love that you brought up the violence in Django. Tarantino displays two kinds of violence. When it is done to the slave owners and racists in the movie, it's cartoonish and over the top in a cathartic way. When it is done to the enslaved, it is grounded and disturbing. It's kinda brilliant in a way. He's not glorifying violence, but he isn't dismissing violent actions altogether so as long as its done against the "right people" or the people he believes deserves it.
It annoys the ever living hell out of me when people discount the quality of an artists work just because they don't like them personally or politically
Same, for the most part. If finding out that a creator is an awful person or has values a person disagrees with makes it so they can't watch their work, that's fine. But like you said, trying to pretend that art *has* to be bad because it's creator is bad is just ridiculous. As a Harry Potter fan, I've been bumping up against that mentality lately and it drives me nuts.
@@DFTBA221B In JK Rowling’s case I think it’s fair to bring up the stuff that aged very badly in her books bc a lot of the criticism the marginalized groups that were misrepresented in those novels were originally ignored or dismissed Plus monetarily supporting her work right now while she’s still actively campaigning against trans people is not the best idea
I agree up to a certain line. when their shittiness bleeds into their work it stops being divorced from each other. Take Lovecraft for example. Awful stuff.
I've always thought Tarantino's use of the N word is perfectly justified in all his films. He writes stories of people murdering, dismembering and torturing eachother. It's safe to assume that people like this don't give a shit about conforming to society. His characters are bad people, and bad people say bad things.
I'm with Daniel that I, as a white guy, have no authority on the matter, I've never been on the receiving end of the N word and I've never called anyone the N word either, but also as a white guy I'm not particularly bothered by it's use in movies or book. Well, there's a line, in older media I accept that it is there, and I don't think we should edit those, but maybe add a warning that it is present but in favor of not altering the history and trying to make it seem like this never happened, we haven't edited this, that is fine. In more modern media it has to serve a purpose and/or make sense in context and for the characters, but if it does, I don't think twice about it's inclusion. At the end of the day it's just a word, and like I say, I have no authority on the matter, but as long as I can say I've never used racial slur against anyone, I see no reason why I should be upset someone chose to include it in a movie.
I cant wait for you guys to review 'AMADEUS' and 'THE GOLD RUSH'. Such important films, especially the gold rush. Its an incredibly powerful movie. It almost made me cry from joy.
Two things: 1. Love The Discussion series and cannot wait for some of the discussions I see coming up. Well done, both of you. 2. It was my hope that Noah's mustache only existed because he was filming a parody video for Daniel's channel where he plays a young Magnum P.I. Unfortunately, that hope appears to have been dashed...the stash remains.
I once heard someone say that Tarantino writes about violence as someone who has never experienced violence, and that has made me watch his movies in a different light ever since. But that being said, his movies are great. Inglorious Basterds might just be his masterpiece.
Its great to get your take on classics like this! Some great nuanced takes. Just coz it wasn't mentioned in your video: Marvin, who get's accidentally shot in the face, is played by Phil LaMar, who would go on to be one of the greatest voice actors of his generation. Some of my favourite roles are Samurai Jack (as Jack), Hermes from Futurama and Vamp in the Metal Gear series.
While I am uncertain of the intentionality, I think there is a clear Christian parable in the story: Vincent is given so many chances to change his life of crime and violence, but in the end choose not to and face the consequence of that. Jules not only charge his ways, but start to spread his insights. In that context the time jumps make more sense: Thematic, not chronological, that is why we start and end at the Diner, and is shown what happened before and after to give context to why Jules do what he does.
I don't understand the n word thing. It's a movie...with a blunt pissed white guy saying the n word. Tarantino isn't on the red carpet using it for the lulz. It's a character in a movie.
As far as Tarantino using violence and juxtaposition with music disturb us, partly yes I think he's trying to show how distressingly desensitized to violence America has become, but also, in the man's own words, "Because it's so much fun, Jan! Get it!"
This movie is in that class of movies that I don't really like but have some really good parts, like Anchorman and Napoleon Dynamite. Hateful Eight was pretty good, excluding the 45 minute into scene, it's like Tarantino was channeling Kubrik and the spaceship landing bit from 2001 a Space Odessy.
What are the examples of Tarantino not doing female characters well? Django is the only one I can think of, and it was said in interviews that they wanted to make a movie where a Black woman was treated as valuable as traditional white damsels and they thought having at least one film that was outdated in that specific way was good. I think I disagree, but it is an interesting point.
I think the only QT movie I love is reservoir dogs because his movies seem to lack something for me; maybe I just can’t like any of his characters other than Django
Vincent’s inability to move or be moved, symbolized by his lack of BM, a spiritual constipation, if I may say so, juxtaposed by the various experiences that lead to Jules’s epiphany is one of the endlessly entertaining motifs in this film. Think about all of the shit that happens (or not) in bathrooms! Just fantastic.
Pulp Fiction is obviously very well made, but I think it's too long. Especially the parts with Bruce Willis I think should be cut altogether. As soon as his story is shown I'm immediately bored and I think it's omission would up this movie's score at least by one point, from a 7/10 to an 8/10. As far as Tarantinos movies goes, I think this is upper mid teir. My favorite is Hatefull Eigth, then Resovoir Dogs and Kill Bill 1 on a shared number 2, and Kill Bill 2 just behind. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was enjoyable, but ultimately not as good as his best movies to me, it's 6,5-7/10, just under Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is also in that ballpark. I remember it as a 6, but when I look at my IMDB rating I've given it a 7. At any rate not as good as his best. Inglorious Basterds I didn't like much at all, definitely the worst of his movies that I've watched. Haven't seen Django Unchained yet.
Reservoir Dogs is still my favourite of his and it's not even close. Also Kill Bill Vol. 2 (specifically) is a slightly above average action film especially regarding that Clark Kent Superman finale dialogue which is... not special or even just very good... at all.
I love Tarantino, but honestly I just found everything with Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction to be deeply unpleasant. So I really would like the movie much better if that part wasn’t there.
I love that you brought up the violence in Django. Tarantino displays two kinds of violence. When it is done to the slave owners and racists in the movie, it's cartoonish and over the top in a cathartic way. When it is done to the enslaved, it is grounded and disturbing. It's kinda brilliant in a way. He's not glorifying violence, but he isn't dismissing violent actions altogether so as long as its done against the "right people" or the people he believes deserves it.
It annoys the ever living hell out of me when people discount the quality of an artists work just because they don't like them personally or politically
Ok
Same, for the most part. If finding out that a creator is an awful person or has values a person disagrees with makes it so they can't watch their work, that's fine. But like you said, trying to pretend that art *has* to be bad because it's creator is bad is just ridiculous. As a Harry Potter fan, I've been bumping up against that mentality lately and it drives me nuts.
@@DFTBA221B In JK Rowling’s case I think it’s fair to bring up the stuff that aged very badly in her books bc a lot of the criticism the marginalized groups that were misrepresented in those novels were originally ignored or dismissed
Plus monetarily supporting her work right now while she’s still actively campaigning against trans people is not the best idea
I agree up to a certain line. when their shittiness bleeds into their work it stops being divorced from each other. Take Lovecraft for example. Awful stuff.
It's childish
I've always thought Tarantino's use of the N word is perfectly justified in all his films. He writes stories of people murdering, dismembering and torturing eachother. It's safe to assume that people like this don't give a shit about conforming to society. His characters are bad people, and bad people say bad things.
I found it refreshing in a weird way where he just played a character with his whole chest. Sort of put his money where his mouth was in a sense
I'm with Daniel that I, as a white guy, have no authority on the matter, I've never been on the receiving end of the N word and I've never called anyone the N word either, but also as a white guy I'm not particularly bothered by it's use in movies or book. Well, there's a line, in older media I accept that it is there, and I don't think we should edit those, but maybe add a warning that it is present but in favor of not altering the history and trying to make it seem like this never happened, we haven't edited this, that is fine. In more modern media it has to serve a purpose and/or make sense in context and for the characters, but if it does, I don't think twice about it's inclusion. At the end of the day it's just a word, and like I say, I have no authority on the matter, but as long as I can say I've never used racial slur against anyone, I see no reason why I should be upset someone chose to include it in a movie.
I cant wait for you guys to review 'AMADEUS' and 'THE GOLD RUSH'. Such important films, especially the gold rush. Its an incredibly powerful movie. It almost made me cry from joy.
I love Wes Anderson. Some may cry out "style over substance". I just call that filmmaking lol
the hateful eight is my favorite tarantino movie
Two things:
1. Love The Discussion series and cannot wait for some of the discussions I see coming up. Well done, both of you.
2. It was my hope that Noah's mustache only existed because he was filming a parody video for Daniel's channel where he plays a young Magnum P.I. Unfortunately, that hope appears to have been dashed...the stash remains.
That dancing scene is one of the most iconic scenes in all of film.
Man I find the discussion so much more entertaining than your main channel Daniel, love both but the dynamic between u 2 is 🤌
I once heard someone say that Tarantino writes about violence as someone who has never experienced violence, and that has made me watch his movies in a different light ever since. But that being said, his movies are great. Inglorious Basterds might just be his masterpiece.
Such a great movie. I think Inglourious Basterds is his best, but this one is right under it.
Its great to get your take on classics like this! Some great nuanced takes.
Just coz it wasn't mentioned in your video: Marvin, who get's accidentally shot in the face, is played by Phil LaMar, who would go on to be one of the greatest voice actors of his generation. Some of my favourite roles are Samurai Jack (as Jack), Hermes from Futurama and Vamp in the Metal Gear series.
While I am uncertain of the intentionality, I think there is a clear Christian parable in the story: Vincent is given so many chances to change his life of crime and violence, but in the end choose not to and face the consequence of that. Jules not only charge his ways, but start to spread his insights. In that context the time jumps make more sense: Thematic, not chronological, that is why we start and end at the Diner, and is shown what happened before and after to give context to why Jules do what he does.
Who tf said it didn’t hold up. We need to shame them
I don't understand the n word thing. It's a movie...with a blunt pissed white guy saying the n word. Tarantino isn't on the red carpet using it for the lulz. It's a character in a movie.
My fav SLJ role right there
0:46 thank you Ben for fact checking. Also wtf in making that last like 4 frames so I had to keep rewinding then put it at .25 speed to read it.
1:15 at least there’s no butts on the wall. 😆
As far as Tarantino using violence and juxtaposition with music disturb us, partly yes I think he's trying to show how distressingly desensitized to violence America has become, but also, in the man's own words, "Because it's so much fun, Jan! Get it!"
that cliffhanger regarding Noah's reasons against it being in the AFI.... he better deliver down the road, or I'll go medieval on his ass
I definitely think T is putting a spotlight on the violence to make us very uncomfortable
Hateful 8 is phenomenal, bit crude at times, but hey that's Tarantino
yessssss the hateful eight is so good
This movie is in that class of movies that I don't really like but have some really good parts, like Anchorman and Napoleon Dynamite. Hateful Eight was pretty good, excluding the 45 minute into scene, it's like Tarantino was channeling Kubrik and the spaceship landing bit from 2001 a Space Odessy.
I really enjoy this movie 🙂
Pulp fiction is his best movie, but Kill Bill is personal favourite
What are the examples of Tarantino not doing female characters well? Django is the only one I can think of, and it was said in interviews that they wanted to make a movie where a Black woman was treated as valuable as traditional white damsels and they thought having at least one film that was outdated in that specific way was good. I think I disagree, but it is an interesting point.
Can you post these videos as audio only on audea? I would really appreciate just the audio. Love your stuff btw, keep pushing out content!
Best movie ever made
Definitely top 3 of 1994 and top 3 Tarantino!
You thought you were safe, but I'm back to request M*A*S*H* again! I loved learning more about Pulp Fiction.
Jules overcame his cool 2 dimensionality being uplifted in the end in a way Vincent never doe and instead is revealed to be joke at the end.
I want reservoir dogs. Please for gods sakes break down reservoir dogs.
Have you ever seen Four Rooms? It's really good. All star cast and odd, in the best way possible.
I think the only QT movie I love is reservoir dogs because his movies seem to lack something for me; maybe I just can’t like any of his characters other than Django
love this movie daddies would love more Tarantino reviews
Jackie Brown is my favorite Quentin Tarantino movie
Vincent’s inability to move or be moved, symbolized by his lack of BM, a spiritual constipation, if I may say so, juxtaposed by the various experiences that lead to Jules’s epiphany is one of the endlessly entertaining motifs in this film. Think about all of the shit that happens (or not) in bathrooms! Just fantastic.
Of course it Holds up. It has Samuel L Jackson Moth---f------r
Pulp Fiction is obviously very well made, but I think it's too long. Especially the parts with Bruce Willis I think should be cut altogether. As soon as his story is shown I'm immediately bored and I think it's omission would up this movie's score at least by one point, from a 7/10 to an 8/10.
As far as Tarantinos movies goes, I think this is upper mid teir. My favorite is Hatefull Eigth, then Resovoir Dogs and Kill Bill 1 on a shared number 2, and Kill Bill 2 just behind. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was enjoyable, but ultimately not as good as his best movies to me, it's 6,5-7/10, just under Pulp Fiction. Jackie Brown is also in that ballpark. I remember it as a 6, but when I look at my IMDB rating I've given it a 7. At any rate not as good as his best. Inglorious Basterds I didn't like much at all, definitely the worst of his movies that I've watched. Haven't seen Django Unchained yet.
I found Reservoir Dogs so boring for some reason. I just wanted to be watching this movie instead.
New it
The worst thing in any QT movie is his own acting. 😂
Reservoir Dogs is still my favourite of his and it's not even close. Also Kill Bill Vol. 2 (specifically) is a slightly above average action film especially regarding that Clark Kent Superman finale dialogue which is... not special or even just very good... at all.
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I love Tarantino, but honestly I just found everything with Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction to be deeply unpleasant. So I really would like the movie much better if that part wasn’t there.