Poor Rumple both of his parents chose power over him. I guess it runs in the family. So in the end she became the biggest threat to Rumple by changing his destiny. Instead of growing up a hero he grew up as a coward which ultimately lead to him becoming the dark one. He never had a chance
Yes! He didn't just not become a hero but he did become the exact opposite, a coward! So by default it was "Be the next Dark One or you die sooner some way or another". So she condemned him to a dark path. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have found another way but mainly that was his predisposition.
He is not a coward. Look how he faced Merida, how he sacrificed himself defeating Pan, how he went to the Duke's castle to find a way to protect Bae. He was never a coward.
LagiNaLangAko23 err nooo. She was the great evil and if she serve red her own fate, rumple would have still being a hero and wouldn’t have to fight her. Instead of sacrificing her power so her son can be brave and a good guy she chose to destroy his instead because she wanted to keep her power
So let me get this straight: Rumple was the Savior but because his mother screwed up, he became the Dark One and Emma was destined as the Savior to stop him. It was a twist I really wasn't expecting but kind of suspected from last season...
this makes me wonder if what happened to Emma was meant to happen to Rumple, like he was meant to become the dark one but resist the lure of darkness like Emma did which makes what Merlin said make sense (someday perhaps someone will be able to hold the dark one's powers and use it for good) and if you're watching Season 7 you'd know Rumple seems like a redeemed man
It’s crazy to see how similar Rumple is to his parents. All three were normal people with nothing really extraordinary about themselves, but somehow become powerful wielders of magic. They were too scared to lose that power and chose it over their loved ones. That being said, the three were very patient and manipulative. It took them centuries to fulfill their plans, but they still almost achieved it. In the end though, Rumple was brave enough to do what his parents couldn’t, chose love
Despite her cutting Rumple from his heroic destiny, he still ended up being the hero at the end. He sacrificed his life to save Hook. That's a true hero.
In a way everyone’s destiny kind of happened he became the saviour as well as the dark one, it just wasn’t his mother that he had to face instead himself.
Yeah but I don't agree with what blue did to her that would of made it worse I don't agree with any curses though mother's will do anything to protect their son and sometimes it can seem irrational
Tiger Lily and blue made the great evil the black fairy was in pain crying because of her son in danger there is no logic when it comes to mothers and their son but I will say at least Tiger Lily was trying to help
Thomas Merlino i think they both sides are in wrong. They both could have cut their destiny and live in peace, but she chose power. She was indeed evil. Cutting his destiny off led him to being a complete opposite of savior... a coward... a villain. Cutting both of their destinies was totally a way out
Thomas Merlino and also i dont think THEY made it. It was Fiona herself. She was so scared that her son would die that she checked every born child that winter.
So basically she has to sacrifice her own child in order to be good, this is why I hate this show. They basically put all the villains in impossible situations that they can’t get out of and all the heroes are put into situations that are so easy. Charming and snow did the exact same thing to maleficent’s daughter and they are considered heroes, UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!
Snow and Charming knew Emma will die in season 6 yet they didn't do what the Black Fairy did, they never had it easy they made a lot of hard decisions, the thing with Lily and Mal was to show they're not perfect and they made mistakes but in the end they learned and didn't repeat their mistake again in S6
Orignally fairies were neither good or evil just powerful forces of nature not to be messed with. From their perspective everything that happened was probably necessary to maintain the balance of existence or something.
yeah but all Fiona had to was give up her power and let her son be the hero he was destined to be. But she chose to have power over doing what's best. As for the charmings I know what they did was wrong but they tried to make up for their mistakes. Even heroes mess up.
Seriously though, how many times are the good guys going to let Blue off the hook for her hand in shit like this? First she caused a dwarf's NAME to be changed just because she was judgmental about a dwarf and a fairy being together, then it was Tinker Bell, and now we find out she REALLY doesn't give a shit who has to pay for the good of all as we now know she was more than willing to see Rumple die to save everyone.
Carlo Colvin I think Blue is the only character I hate. She's just as manipulative as Cora to me. All that "greater good" shit is what really gets on my nerves
Honestly, I blame Blue for all this. All of this "vague future telling" made Fiona obsessed and she became her own worst enemy. In fact, Blue closed a time paradox. By knowing a great evil was after Rumple, she initiated a chain of events that put him in danger. I know it's a hot take but, Blue in my opinion was responsible for a lot of the things that went wrong. If she had never came to inform Fiona that Rumple was a "savior" to defeat a "great evil" then the great evil which eventually became Fiona, never would have been created. Which makes me wonder... Was Blue's future knowledge about someone else, or was it Fiona the whole time?
I’m no she’s not to blame for ANY OF THIS, Fiona is. What was Blue supposed to do, take her baby from her and make up a false story. She didn’t tell her everything but Fiona figured it out herself, all she told was that he was the Saviour and Tiger Lily had to protect him
"Will spend everyday trying to find my way back to you!" Then after a few hundred years when black fairy first meets Rumple and she realised he's her son she's literally like meh, how did I care that much, "you can keep wondering Rumplestiltskin" still leaving him disappointed again
@@samaelt3025 She literally chose her powers over her son, even while knowing that she was the great evil that was destined to kill him. There are lots of villains that I have sympathy for, but not Fiona.
@@jeremy-likes-cats I get where she is coming from though, it makes sense...by severing his destiny he no longer has to 'die' by her hands and she thinks he can just have a normal life. She gets to keep her powers to protect him from any other threat. It is totally logical.
@@bluecheese3896 Fiona was insanely selfish and put herself before her son. She could have cut away her own fate, thus no longer being the Great Evil, thus keeping her son eternally safe from her AND he would also get to keep his happy fate as the admired and heroic saviour, but she took it all away from him and condemed him to the life of a Coward and ultimately the Dark One. And for what? POWER. She chose Power over her son, that is not love. She chose herself when selfishly cutting his fate away from him.
@@bluecheese3896 The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
So correct me if I'm wrong but, Fiona options were A:to sever her power so she'd no longer be the cause of her son's death as he was the savior but still let her son die. B: sever rumple's destiny so he wouldn't be the savior, creating a vacuum for a new one, keep her power and remain the great evil so she could protect herself and her son. C: sever both her and rumple's destinies and create a vacuum for a new great evil and savior. Or D: sever neither destiny and be forced to kill her own son or die, because of some prophecy. It seemed like a lose-lose-lose-lose situation for her.
@@meh3017 No, severing her destiny would have made it so SHE was no longer the Great Evil. Instead, someone or something else would become the Great Evil. It's why she felt she needed to keep her powers. Option C is what I would think most parents and rational people would do. Let someone else deal with it and live a happy normal life with your child.
@@sevagbalian8786 Uhhh, you have no evidence of that. No one ever said that there has to be a great evil or that defeating one great evil would force someone else to become the great evil. She severed rumple's destiny to become a savior and another one didn't come until centuries later with Emma, meaning severing rumple's destiny didn't create another savior.
@@meh3017 you literally just said that Rumple not being the Savior created another savior in Emma. You contradicted yourself. Destinies don't have to transfer instantly, they can be delayed. No clue why you're so pressed lmfao
Wait when Fiona severed Rumpel's destiny of becoming The Savior and Rumple ended up becoming not only The Dark One but The Beast to so could it be that Fiona is also the enchantress from the original Beauty and the Beast tale?
The Blue Fairy was literally the main villain in OUAT and you cannot convince me other wise. Lets talk about the Regina and Tinkerbell situation. Regina was suffering from a broken heart due to the betrayal from Snow White and Tinkerbell was helping by taking some pixie dust to help find Regina’s soulmate. Regina being who she was at the time chickened out (which is understandable) they found out that Robin Hood was her soulmate (a.k.a. The man with the lion tattoo) but the Blue Fairy banished Tink before she could even help Regina to find the confidence to talk to Robin. If Tink managed that, then Regina would most likely have healed her broken heart and forgiven Snow White and moved on with Robin and she most likely would NEVER had become the Evil Queen 😭 but Blue literally prevented all that from happening and she probably knew too. and you can’t convince me to think that she didn’t know because she can figure out who’s gonna be the next Savior but she didn’t know of the great Evil Queen that would come out of Regina due to a broken heart Tinkerbell was gonna help fix????
And on top of that, let’s not forget that because of her sweet little Dream turned out to be Grumpy. And also, all she had to do to prevent Rumple from becoming the dark was by LITERALLY keeping her mouth shut. She did not have to tell Fiona (Rumples mother) about Rumples destiny and in turn, Fiona would not become obsessed with her child’s destiny and she would not have cut off Rumples destiny to become the Savior, and he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and cause so much pain death and suffering. He would’ve died a hero and a Savior. And who’s to tell that he wouldn’t die old as the Savior? He probably would’ve lived a long fulfilled life and maybe die because of one last heroic adventure (at least that’s how I see it 🤷♀️) but with all of this evidence piling up you can’t convince me that Blue was not public enemy number one 😭
The Blue Fairy sorta ruined rumple's life. She's also the one who gave Baelfire the magic bean to go to a place without magic that led to Rumple losing his son
@valvihk3649 as much as I hate the new descendants movie I do love the line "bad guys don't think that they're bad guys. They see themselves as the good guys in their story. "
I always got the impression the blue fairy was a not a good person. She was caniving and manipulative towards everyone. She constantly told half truths while hiding behind her position of high authority amongst the other fairies. She changed everyone else's destined based on what she thought was right. I feel rumple may have been the only person to see the real her. If I was in Stoneybrook I would not trust her.
I think a good description of her would be Chaotic Neutral. She's for the letter of rules over the spirit and in general somewhat of a tyrant with her power and position. The fact that she is never directly called out on it is the biggest fuck up in writing on this show.
Matthew Milian Makes sense. She's the Great Evil and she just got rid of the Savior by changing his fate. Without a savior, she's a danger to everyone and deserved to be banished.
This is going off the assumption that the realm was dark when Fiona was banished there. It could have just been a realm that simply blocked Fiona from truly escaping under her own power. Heck, for all we know, the dark fairy dust in that realm wasn't originally dark, but infused with Fiona's dark magic before she came to terms with her power and accepted who she was, which would then prevent her from infusing more crystals as she explains to Zelena. Just my two cents, take it or leave it.
She preferred the powers because if she preferred to lose them her son would be the savior, the only difference would be that someone else would kill him so it is not so selfish:
@@user-kj8ic4rw4x no the prophecy is that her and only her would have to fight him. no one else. if she gave up her magic he would’ve went on to be the savior. instead he had a terrible childhood. so it was selfish
I empathise Fiona, actually. She wanted to keep her son safe with her powers so she wants her powers and severe his son's fate of becoming the Saviour to defeat her, and in the end got herself banished by Blue Fairy(Mother Superior) to another realm. Anyone else who actually understands why Fiona did this?
@@thomasmerlino7011 Well she saw it as the only way out Now that I think about it, she would never be able to cast it at the time (without dark fairy dust) because she would need to crush the heart of the thing she loved most: her son.
You know the whole "evil made this winter, destined to die against each other." describes Pan more than The Black Fairy. Because he actually died then.
Blue, the secrets she must be keeping in order to protect, serve and promote 'Magic'. Jiminy suffered consequences as a result of his failure to escape his own parents yet Blue didn't rescue Geppetto's parents. Instead, Jiminy guilt and shame is taken advantage of and is recuited and turned into a guardian cricket. Magic isn't everything; Magic is the only thing - once, always and forever. Right, Blue?
@@mycrowsoffed why would Blue rescue Ghepetto's parents? It was *partly* Jiminy's fault that Ghepetto's parents turned out like that.. and Jiminy wanted to be turned a talking cricket..so why are you blaming Blue for his wish?
"To a land without magic" At this point I'm suspecting that all the people in the other realms are only aware of a land without magic but they don't know its history or why it became a land without magic (the murder of Gothel's family in season 7).
@@jaycemasters4619 That’s true if you mean the complete opposite It was guaranteed that everything would have to be connected The real twist is how they do it, and they do it just right every single time (except season 7, that season was still awesome but it was also sloppy)
@@jaycemasters4619 Yeah I noticed by season 4 it dropped off considerably and got worse and worse. Writing was the biggest let down for me because a lot of the half season plots were really good and interesting.
To be honest Blue and tiger Lilly are to blame. I know Fionas method wasn’t a good one but she was going to extreme lengths to protect her son. She was worried for him and didn’t want him to die, I wouldn’t want my kid to die that way either. So Fiona didn’t do the right thing but she was doing that off of her mother instincts. What’s done was done, why did blue punish her. She was only trying to protect him.
Good and evil are made not born one but what lies in destiny can never be changed The who are good go through as much suffering as the evil the level of tolerance is what tips off the scale in the same manner so do the joys they get from people they meet Fiona wasn't wrong for wanting to protect her son but the cost was too high and she also forgot that everyone is destined even immortals like the dark one have loopholes hence what was she protecting,she was meant to let destiny take it course Tiger lily brought this by showing Fiona the book of prophecies
"Why did Blue punish her" because she cut away Rumple's fate of being the Saviour, and before this she was planning to erase all children/babies from existance lol. Why on EARTH do people like you side with Fiona over Blue? Mind boggling. She destroyed her son's fate by cutting his instead of her own fate because she loved her powers more than him. I'm glad Blue banished her.
@@Valoelify I can see your point about Fiona. But I am looking from more of a motherly (parent) viewpoint. What Fiona did, was incredibly wrong, but she wasn’t thinking rationally and did what she thought was best without thinking of the safety of other children. I am not saying what she did was right, and she is still a villain, but she wanted to save her child, and her strategies were not right, but villain or not, she wanted to save her son.
Never realized just how much of a religious undertone fairytales had and in turn how much this show had in just this scene alone... "He's destined to die so that other children may live, that is the fate of the savior" gives me an ick feeling.
These types of stories have been around for thousands of years if anything, religion adopted those ideas from stories centuries before.. All the stories that you see or read have already been told, the only difference is the names, new concepts like technology, or whatever the case may be. Just because you are against religion doesnt mean its bad story telling.
Yep, rumple was meant to be The Savior, and fight in the final battle against his mother. But she chose her power, and ruined Rumple’s destiny, as a result, he became power obsessed (probably because he was meant to have it in the first place) and him being The Dark One. Basically the same thing Snow and Charming did to Emma, they took the potential for darkness out of her when she was a baby. In Rumple’s case she took the potential for light.
You can full on understand why Fiona wanted to keep her power, she wanted it for protection FOR HER SON, once she took Rumple's "Destiny as the destined savior" he was normal, and she could've taken him somewhere where she could live happily with him, and another child would just be chosen as the savior which is that simple, but NOOOO the Blue bitch had to banish Fiona, and in return turned Fiona's pure motherly intentions into the greatest evil we now know as The Black Fairy, "It's Fiona's fault for being selfish" for choosing to keep her power in order to protect her OWN son, and so she wouldn't have to battle him? Make it make sense.
tapo jun Once again she'd do anything for her son, but even then she didn't kill her, but once she took Rumple's destiny away she could've left with him to be happy, but no Blue had to banish her for eternity, and as a result the darkness fully took over Fiona
@@qxyzzz yes, and it was the same thing for rumple with baelfire, rumple has wanted to become the dark one to protect baelfire, but baelfire understood that the darkness destroyed his father and he him proposed of leave with him in a world without magic, but rumple refused at the last moment
tapo jun But then again Rumple was treated like shit as a man and that's the reason he became dark when he got the dark one's powers, but if Fiona kept her power and went with Rumple, she probably wouldn't even have killed people, but just protect her son against the evil
I now feel bad for Fiona because all she wanted was her son. All the villains in this show do something evil, not just for the power, but for someone they love. They let their emotions get the better of them
But the reason her son was in danger in the first place was her own fault. She become the great evil destined to kill her sons by her very own actions.
The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
So, anyone else want to point out that once again, the Blue Fairy was the trigger for things going tits up? If she had never told Fiona about Rumple being a Savior there would be no Black Fairy, no Pan, and Rumple would never have become the Dark One.
Ok if theres one thing i’ve learned from this show its: NEVER SAY A PROPHECY NEVER WRITE A PROPHECY AND NEVER BE A PROPHECY cos literally everyone becomes evil that way or does some effed up action: Regina tries to murder Emma Rumple tries to murder Henry (for like a bit) Zelena tries murdering Dorothy Fiona tries murdering Tiger Lily Wow a lot of attempted murder happens
You know, I don’t get why Fiona needed to sever anything after becoming the great evil. She had supreme power over whether she would have to fight her son or not. She could literally just do her thing and as long as she didn’t hurt her son, it would turn out alright.
If these fairies spared Fiona from pain of idea of losing their son or either tried to reason with her , no ugly event of this show would have happened . I feel sad for Fiona and hate Tiger lily and blue for not taking care of Rumple unlike a real fairy godmother . Blue 's anti redemption approach ruined both Regina and Black fairy . Also S7 Regina casted the curse for protecting her son just like Fiona wanted and instead , Fiona was forced to live millions of years and become a villain while Regina was saved so , here Fiona was not the villain , Blue was. I wish someone called out Blue for it and made her regret everything shady she did .
Blue could have stunned Fiona and used shears on her or take away her wi gs , but no Shady Blue wants to cause trouble which lead to perhaps every event on this show . She is Umbridge of once upon a time.
Tinker bell should’ve made a appearance in this season because she knew more about Fiona than anyone else and seeing a fight between this two would’ve been great
I dont understand why cant fiona keep her power and her son at one point rumple he had both his son and his power sure bae left him but for a period rumple had his son and his power why couldn't fiona
The black fairy, choose power, but she's not entirely a villain, she chooses it for security, not really to do harm, or at least that's the way i see it
I still don't understand why Fiona couldn't have just cut both hers and her son's destinies so neither one had to worry about the final battle. She could've lived a normal life like how she had planned to do in the beginning with her husband. She was stupid. And I laughed when she died by Rumple's hand. He killed both his parents.
@@soixsantes I agree. He had made the next step past temptation by killing his mother and becoming a hero. That's why i was so happy. He was probably the most complex character in the story and I found his journey the most interesting.
Nah mother's do anything to protect their son sometimes logic goes out the window look how much they were upsetting her you could tell she cared for her son
If she did, Peter Pan wouldn’t have existed, Rumple wouldn’t have known how to spin wool, Rumple might’ve not been protective of his family as he is technically, Rumple would’ve never met belle, Regina wouldn’t have been born, Emma wouldn’t have been born, David would’ve never lost his brother or father, Hook would’ve never lost his hand or his brother to night shade, however the king who has sent them on their journey would’ve easily won that war, the ogre wars would’ve taken even more lives, the list continues. Everyone who Peter Pan had encountered, all the children the dark fairy kidnapped, and every deal Rumple made would’ve never happened. Thus many people would never have been born, saved, cured, and fought.
Wait... The blue fairy looked familiar to me... Isn't she Keagan Connor Tracy? The one who starred on Final Destination and Descendants (both 1 and 2)? She's actually my favorite actress. 😄
If Fiona cut herself from her fate she would be powerless but Rumple fate being the saviour will be the same, she may love power but she also don't want to be powerless when knowing other evil will still come for her son. If you can't forgive her for this then you shouldn't forgive Rumple too because he do exactly the same with Baelfire and Belle, Rumple maybe good at the end but the difference is he had people who loves him enough to always give him a chance no matter what he did. For me It's no one fault here, it's just a fate
Rumple gave her a chance, and she turned Belle into a coward who's afraid to leave her house. Furthermore, Fiona's desire is completely selfish because even if it is true that by taking away her powers she would not have been able to protect her son, at the same time, if she had cut herself off instead of him, Rumple would not have needed to be protected because he would have been the one to protect himself alone. So in this case Fiona behaved like one of those overprotective mothers who lock their children in a glass bell and make them incapable of care of themself and that don't want they grow up and become indipendent.
Bruh. She didn't even need to go all evil and shit. Rumple could have still been the savior and she could have just chose not to kill him once she found out she was "the great evil".
We’ve all been hoodwinked, the real great evil was the blue fairy all along, she consistently causes issues for the other characters and puts them in harms way
Never liked this storyline, it's got a massive plot hole. Fiona was preparing to cast the dark curse (just before this clip starts) but to do so she would have to sacrifice the heart of the one she loves most ... the same son she's trying to save
Upon rewatching this scene, I have to say - how the fuck does Tiger Lily or Blue expect a mother to accept such a fate for her child? Are you freaking kidding me? Yeah. It's great that he would grow and become a great hero. But to tell her that it's also his destiny to die saving many others? Really? Why the hell would they even consider telling a mother the prophecy? That's just stupid. Really hate characters that present themselves as these kinds representatives of righteousness and authority on morals. Choosing righteousness over compassion? Give me a break.
@@jeromewright2493 yes he would. Just not at her hands. He's the savior. According to the prophecy and the role of the savior, he's meant to die in the final battle.
@@jeromewright2493 there was always going to be a final battle. That's how the stories with Saviors always play out. There will be another final villain to take her place. Think of it like a power vacuum. As soon as someone vacates that spot, someone must assume it.
Even in the end the severed destiny still happens, she only severed his destiny as a savior but never really could sever the destiny that her son would still fight her and destroy her. He may have not been a savior to do battle with his mother, but he still came out a hero to save everyone.
Always hated Blue Fairy. Saw her as an inadvertent villian with some of her choices and ridiculous deals so one sided it made the actual villians seem fare.
I really thought they were setting Tiger Lily up to be the main good fairy in Season 7, just like Blue was in Season 1. But she only showed up once in season 7, and that was in a flashback. There was so much potential for the character that was wasted, but then again that’s how the show runners did things. On a side note, Rumple’s mother didn’t really change his destiny. He did eventually die in battle against a great evil - it just happened to be in battle against the wish realm version of his Dark Lord self instead of his mother
Also, it was Rumple’s mother’s own fault Rumple would have to face a “great evil.” Truth is she could have given up her powers and not tried to kill Tiger Lily. Then she wouldn’t become the great evil and Rumple could have gone on being the savior. Then he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and he wouldn’t have lost his son. She basically screwed his entire life up with her decision
I think the real issue was that Fiona did not bother to cut off her own destiny. She cut off her child's destiny to fight the great evil and die in the process. But that did not change the fact that she was to killed by her child according to her destiny.
@@soixsantes I don’t disagree, but she is suppose to be powerful, as she is shown here, but from season1 on she was just a push over, not a single villain was ever scare of her, they just push her around, and rumple and the queen just treated her as a minor inconvenience
This was an AWFUL backstory for the Great Evil - the ultimate big bad running through all the events of OUAT. They tried to make the best of it, but it just ended up being a knot of liberties. I don’t believe the Black Fairy as that ultimate villain; this storyline just doesn’t set her up well as that figure. It’s hard for them (A&E) to keep coming up with villain origins that top the last - Evil Queen, Dark One, Wicked Witch etc. and make them seem equally as, or even more dark. They did a good job with Cruella. How can she seem like a total monster without having any great power or dramatic fantasy background to play on? They made it more real and disturbing for her, which worked! She was a relatively minor character, but I really believed her as a serious villain. This is just a confused situation about a mother’s love for her child that just got caught up with destiny/fate and some fairy magic (the fact she turned herself into one what just a bizarre move) and somehow produced an ultimate evil. They needed a much simpler, clearer, damning set up for this character; one that would really make us see this was the toughest figure to go up against. We just got “ahh she’s bad cos she’s the Black Fairy, ooo! Oh and she Rumple’s mommy. Here’s how the dots connect. Work with it!”
Poor Rumple both of his parents chose power over him. I guess it runs in the family. So in the end she became the biggest threat to Rumple by changing his destiny. Instead of growing up a hero he grew up as a coward which ultimately lead to him becoming the dark one. He never had a chance
shonte lagrone That is why there's always a reason why someone becomes evil.
Don't forget how his fairy godmother abandoned him
Yes! He didn't just not become a hero but he did become the exact opposite, a coward! So by default it was "Be the next Dark One or you die sooner some way or another". So she condemned him to a dark path. Doesn't mean that he couldn't have found another way but mainly that was his predisposition.
He is not a coward. Look how he faced Merida, how he sacrificed himself defeating Pan, how he went to the Duke's castle to find a way to protect Bae. He was never a coward.
LagiNaLangAko23 err nooo. She was the great evil and if she serve red her own fate, rumple would have still being a hero and wouldn’t have to fight her. Instead of sacrificing her power so her son can be brave and a good guy she chose to destroy his instead because she wanted to keep her power
You know if Blue Fairy had zapped Fiona a few seconds earlier Rumple would not have gone down the road he did.
Blue wanted to give fiona a chance to change.
@@contessa8817 And it's convenient to the plot
True, but Emma would have been the Dark One then.
And yet for the sake of plot, she didn't
@@rhaegostheskydragon1760 she still became the darkone
So let me get this straight: Rumple was the Savior but because his mother screwed up, he became the Dark One and Emma was destined as the Savior to stop him. It was a twist I really wasn't expecting but kind of suspected from last season...
Kayla Gaines he became the dark one because he wanted to. And maybe he liked power because he was destined to have in the first place
no, rumple isn't the great evil, the black fairy is
Joe the Right Triangle but the thing is in the show prophecies don't always come true, so what if he was meant to be the dark one anyway?
i dont thing so i thing he was suposed to be the saviour of that time period
this makes me wonder if what happened to Emma was meant to happen to Rumple, like he was meant to become the dark one but resist the lure of darkness like Emma did which makes what Merlin said make sense (someday perhaps someone will be able to hold the dark one's powers and use it for good) and if you're watching Season 7 you'd know Rumple seems like a redeemed man
It’s crazy to see how similar Rumple is to his parents. All three were normal people with nothing really extraordinary about themselves, but somehow become powerful wielders of magic. They were too scared to lose that power and chose it over their loved ones. That being said, the three were very patient and manipulative. It took them centuries to fulfill their plans, but they still almost achieved it. In the end though, Rumple was brave enough to do what his parents couldn’t, chose love
exactly you are right, and for reminder, the real reason for which rumple wanted to become the dark one was for protect her first child baelfire
Except Rumple is the inverse of his parents as he was born special.
The only difference is that the parents' choice was a choice, while Rumple's was an impulse.
Despite her cutting Rumple from his heroic destiny, he still ended up being the hero at the end. He sacrificed his life to save Hook. That's a true hero.
you are right, he is "the savior"
and he was already a hero when he has killed peter pan and the black fairy
In a way everyone’s destiny kind of happened he became the saviour as well as the dark one, it just wasn’t his mother that he had to face instead himself.
@@DgardsGaming exactly, the worst enemy of rumple is himself
@@DgardsGaming and belle has been the light of rumple
Am i the only one who would like to see a scene with Rumple, Peter Pan and the Black Fairy? I mean, it would be awesome
idk l
Yes
That be one hell of a family reunion
Unfortunately Peter Pan doesn't exist anymore even in the underworld
Ikr
Yes I was thinking the same thing! I was kinda disappointed that they never had rumples parents mention each other when he seen them again separately
Tiger Lily Was Right!
Evil Is Not Born It’s Made.
Regina said that all along.
Yeah but I don't agree with what blue did to her that would of made it worse I don't agree with any curses though mother's will do anything to protect their son and sometimes it can seem irrational
Tiger Lily and blue made the great evil the black fairy was in pain crying because of her son in danger there is no logic when it comes to mothers and their son but I will say at least Tiger Lily was trying to help
Thomas Merlino i think they both sides are in wrong. They both could have cut their destiny and live in peace, but she chose power. She was indeed evil. Cutting his destiny off led him to being a complete opposite of savior... a coward... a villain. Cutting both of their destinies was totally a way out
Thomas Merlino and also i dont think THEY made it. It was Fiona herself. She was so scared that her son would die that she checked every born child that winter.
Gold's story just is a long line of heartbreak. That's a lot of weight for one character to bare.
you are right, the story of rumple is dark and sad
rumple was destined to become a great hero, but he will become the lord of darkness
*coughs* Gabriel Belmont vibes *cough*
It's just generational trauma. Mess.
Kind of nice that in the alternate 'villians get the happy ending' world rumple was the savior he should have been
That look Blue had when Fiona said she needed her power. She knew immediately what she was gonna have to do
Lol . So Rumple didnt get to be the saviour and ended up being the dark one 😂 How ironic
Sky Dome yeah, rumple and Emma went through the same process. But Emma was given her “best chance” while rumple was given his worst one.
I like Rumple better as the dark one honestly tho,
So basically she has to sacrifice her own child in order to be good, this is why I hate this show. They basically put all the villains in impossible situations that they can’t get out of and all the heroes are put into situations that are so easy. Charming and snow did the exact same thing to maleficent’s daughter and they are considered heroes, UNFAIR!!!!!!!!!
you got it wrong. she had to sacrifice her powers, both her and rumble could live.But she loved her powers too much to sacrifice them
Snow and Charming knew Emma will die in season 6 yet they didn't do what the Black Fairy did, they never had it easy they made a lot of hard decisions, the thing with Lily and Mal was to show they're not perfect and they made mistakes but in the end they learned and didn't repeat their mistake again in S6
Orignally fairies were neither good or evil just powerful forces of nature not to be messed with. From their perspective everything that happened was probably necessary to maintain the balance of existence or something.
yeah but all Fiona had to was give up her power and let her son be the hero he was destined to be. But she chose to have power over doing what's best. As for the charmings I know what they did was wrong but they tried to make up for their mistakes. Even heroes mess up.
She chose to keep her power to protect him from the evils he would face as a savior. His destiny wasn't reduced to fighting Fiona
Seriously though, how many times are the good guys going to let Blue off the hook for her hand in shit like this? First she caused a dwarf's NAME to be changed just because she was judgmental about a dwarf and a fairy being together, then it was Tinker Bell, and now we find out she REALLY doesn't give a shit who has to pay for the good of all as we now know she was more than willing to see Rumple die to save everyone.
Death isn't even death on this show. All the good guys go to heaven where they get to live forever. In other words, it's pure fantasy.
Carlo Colvin
I think Blue is the only character I hate. She's just as manipulative as Cora to me. All that "greater good" shit is what really gets on my nerves
Carlo Colvin She also lied about how many people the tree could transport so Pinocchio could pass through.
TheCjma88 Geppetto threatened to not make the enchanted wardrobe if Pinocchio could not be one of the two to go through to The Land without Magic.
@@violetrose674 She reminds me of a young dumbledore. He also believed he did everythinf he did for the greater good ( with grindelwald)
Honestly, I blame Blue for all this. All of this "vague future telling" made Fiona obsessed and she became her own worst enemy. In fact, Blue closed a time paradox. By knowing a great evil was after Rumple, she initiated a chain of events that put him in danger. I know it's a hot take but, Blue in my opinion was responsible for a lot of the things that went wrong. If she had never came to inform Fiona that Rumple was a "savior" to defeat a "great evil" then the great evil which eventually became Fiona, never would have been created.
Which makes me wonder... Was Blue's future knowledge about someone else, or was it Fiona the whole time?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
I’m no she’s not to blame for ANY OF THIS, Fiona is. What was Blue supposed to do, take her baby from her and make up a false story. She didn’t tell her everything but Fiona figured it out herself, all she told was that he was the Saviour and Tiger Lily had to protect him
@@jamestolbert1856 Yeah. It's certainly not Blue's fault that Fiona worried too much about the future and didn't enjoy the present.
@@lpallad1 ok yes she shouldn’t told her but Fiona’s the one kept reading on to the prophecy
"Will spend everyday trying to find my way back to you!" Then after a few hundred years when black fairy first meets Rumple and she realised he's her son she's literally like meh, how did I care that much, "you can keep wondering Rumplestiltskin" still leaving him disappointed again
This is the Fiona I feel sorry for. The Black Fairy not so much.
It makes me sad 😔 I'm like omg how can they do that to her
@@samaelt3025 She literally chose her powers over her son, even while knowing that she was the great evil that was destined to kill him. There are lots of villains that I have sympathy for, but not Fiona.
@@jeremy-likes-cats I get where she is coming from though, it makes sense...by severing his destiny he no longer has to 'die' by her hands and she thinks he can just have a normal life. She gets to keep her powers to protect him from any other threat. It is totally logical.
@@bluecheese3896 Fiona was insanely selfish and put herself before her son. She could have cut away her own fate, thus no longer being the Great Evil, thus keeping her son eternally safe from her AND he would also get to keep his happy fate as the admired and heroic saviour, but she took it all away from him and condemed him to the life of a Coward and ultimately the Dark One. And for what? POWER. She chose Power over her son, that is not love. She chose herself when selfishly cutting his fate away from him.
@@bluecheese3896 The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
So correct me if I'm wrong but, Fiona options were A:to sever her power so she'd no longer be the cause of her son's death as he was the savior but still let her son die. B: sever rumple's destiny so he wouldn't be the savior, creating a vacuum for a new one, keep her power and remain the great evil so she could protect herself and her son. C: sever both her and rumple's destinies and create a vacuum for a new great evil and savior. Or D: sever neither destiny and be forced to kill her own son or die, because of some prophecy. It seemed like a lose-lose-lose-lose situation for her.
Well serving both destiny's would be a win win Situation
Severing her own destiny would have saved her son, because there would no longer be a great evil prophesized to destroy him
@@meh3017 No, severing her destiny would have made it so SHE was no longer the Great Evil. Instead, someone or something else would become the Great Evil. It's why she felt she needed to keep her powers. Option C is what I would think most parents and rational people would do. Let someone else deal with it and live a happy normal life with your child.
@@sevagbalian8786 Uhhh, you have no evidence of that. No one ever said that there has to be a great evil or that defeating one great evil would force someone else to become the great evil. She severed rumple's destiny to become a savior and another one didn't come until centuries later with Emma, meaning severing rumple's destiny didn't create another savior.
@@meh3017 you literally just said that Rumple not being the Savior created another savior in Emma. You contradicted yourself. Destinies don't have to transfer instantly, they can be delayed.
No clue why you're so pressed lmfao
Wait when Fiona severed Rumpel's destiny of becoming The Savior and Rumple ended up becoming not only The Dark One but The Beast to so could it be that Fiona is also the enchantress from the original Beauty and the Beast tale?
she's just an allusion to the enchantress
The Blue Fairy was literally the main villain in OUAT and you cannot convince me other wise. Lets talk about the Regina and Tinkerbell situation. Regina was suffering from a broken heart due to the betrayal from Snow White and Tinkerbell was helping by taking some pixie dust to help find Regina’s soulmate. Regina being who she was at the time chickened out (which is understandable) they found out that Robin Hood was her soulmate (a.k.a. The man with the lion tattoo) but the Blue Fairy banished Tink before she could even help Regina to find the confidence to talk to Robin. If Tink managed that, then Regina would most likely have healed her broken heart and forgiven Snow White and moved on with Robin and she most likely would NEVER had become the Evil Queen 😭 but Blue literally prevented all that from happening and she probably knew too. and you can’t convince me to think that she didn’t know because she can figure out who’s gonna be the next Savior but she didn’t know of the great Evil Queen that would come out of Regina due to a broken heart Tinkerbell was gonna help fix????
And on top of that, let’s not forget that because of her sweet little Dream turned out to be Grumpy. And also, all she had to do to prevent Rumple from becoming the dark was by LITERALLY keeping her mouth shut. She did not have to tell Fiona (Rumples mother) about Rumples destiny and in turn, Fiona would not become obsessed with her child’s destiny and she would not have cut off Rumples destiny to become the Savior, and he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and cause so much pain death and suffering. He would’ve died a hero and a Savior. And who’s to tell that he wouldn’t die old as the Savior? He probably would’ve lived a long fulfilled life and maybe die because of one last heroic adventure (at least that’s how I see it 🤷♀️) but with all of this evidence piling up you can’t convince me that Blue was not public enemy number one 😭
The good are actually the evil who thinks they are righteous
The Blue Fairy sorta ruined rumple's life. She's also the one who gave Baelfire the magic bean to go to a place without magic that led to Rumple losing his son
@valvihk3649 as much as I hate the new descendants movie I do love the line "bad guys don't think that they're bad guys. They see themselves as the good guys in their story. "
I always got the impression the blue fairy was a not a good person.
She was caniving and manipulative towards everyone. She constantly told half truths while hiding behind her position of high authority amongst the other fairies.
She changed everyone else's destined based on what she thought was right. I feel rumple may have been the only person to see the real her.
If I was in Stoneybrook I would not trust her.
I think a good description of her would be Chaotic Neutral.
She's for the letter of rules over the spirit and in general somewhat of a tyrant with her power and position.
The fact that she is never directly called out on it is the biggest fuck up in writing on this show.
My sister and I legit hate her. Rumple is right to hate her, and we say that all the time when we rewatch the show.
Imagine if Blue orchestrated this entire story for revenge or some other motive I can’t think of she would be the true villain
She's awful. I hate her too.
Having a great evil night be good for business for Blue I mean who do the hero’s go to and what gives the fairies their magic?
I gave up on this show before this point. It just got ridiculous.
Season 5
It seems like the more characters they tried to cram in the more ridiculous it became!
I loved all the seasons except for the last one. They rushed it because the show was being canceled and it left a lot of loose ends.
What? How, why? This show brought me to my knees.. one of the best shows ever to exist.
The only reason I kept watching it was for Emma and Killian.
Wait... Maleficent's daughter also had a crescent moon tatoo......
* mindblow *
Girl that was a star😂
Blue's first thought was to banish her to a dark realm lol.
Matthew Milian Makes sense. She's the Great Evil and she just got rid of the Savior by changing his fate. Without a savior, she's a danger to everyone and deserved to be banished.
Matthew Milian eh, never liked her anyway
0deadx21 but a realm where she can force children to mine black fairy dust for her
This is going off the assumption that the realm was dark when Fiona was banished there. It could have just been a realm that simply blocked Fiona from truly escaping under her own power. Heck, for all we know, the dark fairy dust in that realm wasn't originally dark, but infused with Fiona's dark magic before she came to terms with her power and accepted who she was, which would then prevent her from infusing more crystals as she explains to Zelena.
Just my two cents, take it or leave it.
That was totally unnecessary
What a selfish woman, she took away Gold destiny to become a Savior, and choose her power over his own son, How Despicable.
I think she isn’t that selfish
I kinda understand Fiona, knowing her son would die, that’s pretty awful knowing your son dies before you’re son dies
Like coldely banishing a problem fixes everything that makes the darkness worse you can't just throw your problems away
@@Akira-vg9qx but she’s literally the reason he dies because she chose power over him. so she is selfish
She preferred the powers because if she preferred to lose them her son would be the savior, the only difference would be that someone else would kill him so it is not so selfish:
@@user-kj8ic4rw4x no the prophecy is that her and only her would have to fight him. no one else. if she gave up her magic he would’ve went on to be the savior. instead he had a terrible childhood. so it was selfish
I empathise Fiona, actually. She wanted to keep her son safe with her powers so she wants her powers and severe his son's fate of becoming the Saviour to defeat her, and in the end got herself banished by Blue Fairy(Mother Superior) to another realm.
Anyone else who actually understands why Fiona did this?
Yes except just not the dark curse I don't like any curses lol
@@thomasmerlino7011 Well she saw it as the only way out
Now that I think about it, she would never be able to cast it at the time (without dark fairy dust) because she would need to crush the heart of the thing she loved most: her son.
@@jetleewj6242 yeah you're right logic goes out the window when mums are protecting their sons
i sort of understand it but like she would be ripping every chid from their own parents
she was a selfish hag! HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT?
You know the whole "evil made this winter, destined to die against each other." describes Pan more than The Black Fairy. Because he actually died then.
Blue fairy continues to piss me off
This proves the saying "Too much of a good thing can turn into a bad thing" to be true.
And I'm over here thinking this was Fiona from Shrek...
Leydi Morales I’m thinking about it too
Lmao same 😂
Leydi Morales
That’s dreamworks this is Disney
More like Fiona Goode from AHS
@@arnoldross439 Oh damn she was fuckin psychotic.
Look who's just there looking on as if she couldn't possibly have had any hand in this: the Blue Fairy.
Blue, the secrets she must be keeping in order to protect, serve and promote 'Magic'. Jiminy suffered consequences as a result of his failure to escape his own parents yet Blue didn't rescue Geppetto's parents. Instead, Jiminy guilt and shame is taken advantage of and is recuited and turned into a guardian cricket. Magic isn't everything; Magic is the only thing - once, always and forever. Right, Blue?
@@mycrowsoffed why would Blue rescue Ghepetto's parents? It was *partly* Jiminy's fault that Ghepetto's parents turned out like that.. and Jiminy wanted to be turned a talking cricket..so why are you blaming Blue for his wish?
"To a land without magic"
At this point I'm suspecting that all the people in the other realms are only aware of a land without magic but they don't know its history or why it became a land without magic (the murder of Gothel's family in season 7).
No one cares about a show that draggged. Got boring and predictable by season 3
@@jaycemasters4619
That’s true if you mean the complete opposite
It was guaranteed that everything would have to be connected
The real twist is how they do it, and they do it just right every single time (except season 7, that season was still awesome but it was also sloppy)
@@jaycemasters4619 Yeah I noticed by season 4 it dropped off considerably and got worse and worse. Writing was the biggest let down for me because a lot of the half season plots were really good and interesting.
To be honest Blue and tiger Lilly are to blame. I know Fionas method wasn’t a good one but she was going to extreme lengths to protect her son. She was worried for him and didn’t want him to die, I wouldn’t want my kid to die that way either. So Fiona didn’t do the right thing but she was doing that off of her mother instincts. What’s done was done, why did blue punish her. She was only trying to protect him.
yes, in trying to save his son, fiona has become The Black Fairy and has tipped in the darkness
Good and evil are made not born one but what lies in destiny can never be changed
The who are good go through as much suffering as the evil the level of tolerance is what tips off the scale in the same manner so do the joys they get from people they meet
Fiona wasn't wrong for wanting to protect her son but the cost was too high and she also forgot that everyone is destined even immortals like the dark one have loopholes hence what was she protecting,she was meant to let destiny take it course
Tiger lily brought this by showing Fiona the book of prophecies
"Why did Blue punish her" because she cut away Rumple's fate of being the Saviour, and before this she was planning to erase all children/babies from existance lol. Why on EARTH do people like you side with Fiona over Blue? Mind boggling. She destroyed her son's fate by cutting his instead of her own fate because she loved her powers more than him. I'm glad Blue banished her.
@@Valoelify I can see your point about Fiona. But I am looking from more of a motherly (parent) viewpoint. What Fiona did, was incredibly wrong, but she wasn’t thinking rationally and did what she thought was best without thinking of the safety of other children. I am not saying what she did was right, and she is still a villain, but she wanted to save her child, and her strategies were not right, but villain or not, she wanted to save her son.
@@kailisworld-2026 no. She had a choice. A mother would sacrifice her own self for her child. She did not.
Lol why is Blue always sticking her nose in things!?!?
Now i belive everytime blue fairy was talking to rumple she wasnt so mean to HIm perse she was just to The Dark One
That works for me too - I like that.
It’s no good, I don’t know her name and I know she’s technically on our side, but I cannot bring myself to like the woman in blue!
Never realized just how much of a religious undertone fairytales had and in turn how much this show had in just this scene alone...
"He's destined to die so that other children may live, that is the fate of the savior" gives me an ick feeling.
These types of stories have been around for thousands of years if anything, religion adopted those ideas from stories centuries before.. All the stories that you see or read have already been told, the only difference is the names, new concepts like technology, or whatever the case may be. Just because you are against religion doesnt mean its bad story telling.
The writers had so much fun with these characters.
Emma was really looking stressed in the last seasons :/
So rumple was actually supposed to be good? Not the dark one?
Yep, rumple was meant to be The Savior, and fight in the final battle against his mother.
But she chose her power, and ruined Rumple’s destiny, as a result, he became power obsessed (probably because he was meant to have it in the first place) and him being The Dark One.
Basically the same thing Snow and Charming did to Emma, they took the potential for darkness out of her when she was a baby.
In Rumple’s case she took the potential for light.
You can full on understand why Fiona wanted to keep her power, she wanted it for protection FOR HER SON, once she took Rumple's "Destiny as the destined savior" he was normal, and she could've taken him somewhere where she could live happily with him, and another child would just be chosen as the savior which is that simple, but NOOOO the Blue bitch had to banish Fiona, and in return turned Fiona's pure motherly intentions into the greatest evil we now know as The Black Fairy, "It's Fiona's fault for being selfish" for choosing to keep her power in order to protect her OWN son, and so she wouldn't have to battle him? Make it make sense.
yes, but in trying of protect the destiny of rumple , fiona it is she even condemned in the darkness
tapo jun Once again she'd do anything for her son, but even then she didn't kill her, but once she took Rumple's destiny away she could've left with him to be happy, but no Blue had to banish her for eternity, and as a result the darkness fully took over Fiona
@@qxyzzz yes, and it was the same thing for rumple with baelfire, rumple has wanted to become the dark one to protect baelfire, but baelfire understood that the darkness destroyed his father and he him proposed of leave with him in a world without magic, but rumple refused at the last moment
tapo jun But then again Rumple was treated like shit as a man and that's the reason he became dark when he got the dark one's powers, but if Fiona kept her power and went with Rumple, she probably wouldn't even have killed people, but just protect her son against the evil
@@qxyzzz yes, you are right
I now feel bad for Fiona because all she wanted was her son. All the villains in this show do something evil, not just for the power, but for someone they love. They let their emotions get the better of them
yes, and besides it's genetic, fiona has become villain for his son and years later, him too has become villain for his son
but however, when fiona became the black fairy she has really got villain, but when rumple is became the dark one, he stayed nice for bealfire
But the reason her son was in danger in the first place was her own fault. She become the great evil destined to kill her sons by her very own actions.
The truth is that Fiona is one of those overprotective mothers who keep their children locked up for fear they getting hurt, preventing them from growing up, socializing and having experiences. If she had cut herself instead of her son, he wouldn't have needed to be protected because he would have been the one protecting himself. But Fiona instead wanted her son to be weak and dependent on her.
So, anyone else want to point out that once again, the Blue Fairy was the trigger for things going tits up? If she had never told Fiona about Rumple being a Savior there would be no Black Fairy, no Pan, and Rumple would never have become the Dark One.
Motherhood can make people crazy.
true, Fiona is so obsessed at protecting her son than it destroys her
Ok if theres one thing i’ve learned from this show its:
NEVER SAY A PROPHECY NEVER WRITE A PROPHECY AND NEVER BE A PROPHECY
cos literally everyone becomes evil that way or does some effed up action:
Regina tries to murder Emma
Rumple tries to murder Henry (for like a bit)
Zelena tries murdering Dorothy
Fiona tries murdering Tiger Lily
Wow a lot of attempted murder happens
You know, I don’t get why Fiona needed to sever anything after becoming the great evil.
She had supreme power over whether she would have to fight her son or not. She could literally just do her thing and as long as she didn’t hurt her son, it would turn out alright.
I can't believe pans wife is Fiona the dark fairy
When both of your parents choose power over you, no wonder Rumple went down the road he went so easily.
you are right, the parents of rumple are of monsters
I thought Blue couldn't be shadier than she was in 3*3 ,then I saw this
isnt the bluefairy from descendants 1 and 2 she is Belle right??
If these fairies spared Fiona from pain of idea of losing their son or either tried to reason with her , no ugly event of this show would have happened . I feel sad for Fiona and hate Tiger lily and blue for not taking care of Rumple unlike a real fairy godmother . Blue 's anti redemption approach ruined both Regina and Black fairy . Also S7 Regina casted the curse for protecting her son just like Fiona wanted and instead , Fiona was forced to live millions of years and become a villain while Regina was saved so , here Fiona was not the villain , Blue was. I wish someone called out Blue for it and made her regret everything shady she did .
Might be just miscommunication (maybe did not teach them assertive communication in fairy school lol) , but otherwise I totally agree!
2:01 Fiona is like: oh shit.busted
Blue could have stunned Fiona and used shears on her or take away her wi gs , but no Shady Blue wants to cause trouble which lead to perhaps every event on this show . She is Umbridge of once upon a time.
Umbridge?
No.
More like God in the bible judging humanity fucking up even as he let it happen that way to begin with.
Tinker bell should’ve made a appearance in this season because she knew more about Fiona than anyone else and seeing a fight between this two would’ve been great
Too bad Rose McIver was busy with iZombie during this time, if I recall correctly.
I dont understand why cant fiona keep her power and her son at one point rumple he had both his son and his power sure bae left him but for a period rumple had his son and his power why couldn't fiona
Because they are destined to kill each other
@@jeromewright8708 and that's what the shears are for to sever his destiny so that they won't kill each other
@@keyonbrown7775 but they believed that since she made that decision she was unfit to be a mother or even live in that realm
And this is where it all began the creation of the evil that set once upon a time in place
The black fairy, choose power, but she's not entirely a villain, she chooses it for security, not really to do harm, or at least that's the way i see it
yes, initially, she wanted to do the black magic to try to protect her son, but unfortunately, she has destroyed herself
I don't agree with that blue Fairy and Tiger Lily.
I still don't understand why Fiona couldn't have just cut both hers and her son's destinies so neither one had to worry about the final battle. She could've lived a normal life like how she had planned to do in the beginning with her husband. She was stupid. And I laughed when she died by Rumple's hand. He killed both his parents.
for me, when rumple killed them both, he is became a hero
@@soixsantes I agree. He had made the next step past temptation by killing his mother and becoming a hero. That's why i was so happy. He was probably the most complex character in the story and I found his journey the most interesting.
@@annaduenwald9649 exactly, the story of rumple was very interesting and mysterious to discover, and he has had a life very dark and sad
Talk about a comment on helicopter parenting.
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Am I the only one who wanted to see Blue really fight the Black Fairy?
yeah, a fight magic between them would have been amazing
Selfishness blended abd masked with love. Dangerous beyond repair
Nah mother's do anything to protect their son sometimes logic goes out the window look how much they were upsetting her you could tell she cared for her son
Fiona and Cora could compete with each other for the worst mother ever price.
I don't think she was wrong she did not want her son to die she was trying to protect him she should have just explained it to him
So wait....Tiger Lily is a fairy now? I thought she was an Indian Princess? And Rumple was the Savior? I need to re-watch this season. lol
I'm sorry but I saw this on my channel and the black fairy is played by HG Wells from warehouse 13 I love it
This show was so good but along the last several few seasons it wasn't as good anymore....storylines got confusing...and actors left...
so destiny is inevitable unless you have a pair of scissors apparently lol XD
They gotta be magical scissors though
@@oncerand_directioner fucking magical to cut fate like that. that's god level.
bullshit.
she could’ve just give up her powers now and then get good ones.
like she did the first time, no need for such drama
Roxy Gold to be fair, even if she lost her destiny to kill rumple, someone else will bear the cresent to kill rumple
Poor Rumple. Imagine what his life would've been had Fiona chose to give up her fate instead of his?
I think he would have lived in a real family happy and united and that he would truly become a savior
@@soixsantes begs the question, would Baelfire still be born? And would he still have met Belle? Kind of messes with your head doesn't it?
@@sunnicorran9244 you are right but I simply answered at the question than you have asked
If she did, Peter Pan wouldn’t have existed, Rumple wouldn’t have known how to spin wool, Rumple might’ve not been protective of his family as he is technically, Rumple would’ve never met belle, Regina wouldn’t have been born, Emma wouldn’t have been born, David would’ve never lost his brother or father, Hook would’ve never lost his hand or his brother to night shade, however the king who has sent them on their journey would’ve easily won that war, the ogre wars would’ve taken even more lives, the list continues. Everyone who Peter Pan had encountered, all the children the dark fairy kidnapped, and every deal Rumple made would’ve never happened. Thus many people would never have been born, saved, cured, and fought.
@@animebrat76 point taken.
Wait... The blue fairy looked familiar to me... Isn't she Keagan Connor Tracy? The one who starred on Final Destination and Descendants (both 1 and 2)? She's actually my favorite actress. 😄
Yes it is.
None of that matters in the end because rumple still ended up destroying her fate found another way
the prophecy has been fulfilled, the savior at destroyed the black fairy
If Fiona cut herself from her fate she would be powerless but Rumple fate being the saviour will be the same, she may love power but she also don't want to be powerless when knowing other evil will still come for her son. If you can't forgive her for this then you shouldn't forgive Rumple too because he do exactly the same with Baelfire and Belle, Rumple maybe good at the end but the difference is he had people who loves him enough to always give him a chance no matter what he did. For me It's no one fault here, it's just a fate
just to say at about of belle and baelfire, they are what than rumple loves the most in his life
Rumple gave her a chance, and she turned Belle into a coward who's afraid to leave her house. Furthermore, Fiona's desire is completely selfish because even if it is true that by taking away her powers she would not have been able to protect her son, at the same time, if she had cut herself off instead of him, Rumple would not have needed to be protected because he would have been the one to protect himself alone. So in this case Fiona behaved like one of those overprotective mothers who lock their children in a glass bell and make them incapable of care of themself and that don't want they grow up and become indipendent.
i mean technically rumple is the savior. He did basically beat everyone single one of the big bads in the series
Bruh. She didn't even need to go all evil and shit. Rumple could have still been the savior and she could have just chose not to kill him once she found out she was "the great evil".
No she didn't but blue pushed her to
just watching this made me think that i need to watch this season again because Rumple was supposed to be the savior
Now we all know why Rumple was such a wreck. His parents basically screwed him over. That scarred him for life.
Even though Fiona was the Evil she was looking for, what Blue did to her was Way more of a bitchy move than severing the baby from his destiny
Why the hell did Blue fairy waited for the Black Fairy to change Rumple's destiny before sending her far away... Such inconsistencies.
One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it. Or in this case, her.
wow you can literally kill people so easy its like tomato inside the baloon
With his haircut, Robert Carlisle looks like Joe Pesci.
Wait... so darkness was formed from the love of a mother to protect her child?
She took it too far by willing to kill Tiger Lily.
Tigerlilly you made the evil
Should have let her go
Exactly mums do anything to protect their son
I just realize that the blue fairy is from Descendants
she plays the role of "belle" in "descendant
the mother of "ben"
We’ve all been hoodwinked, the real great evil was the blue fairy all along, she consistently causes issues for the other characters and puts them in harms way
Another example of why the Blue Fairy is actually the worst
Never liked this storyline, it's got a massive plot hole.
Fiona was preparing to cast the dark curse (just before this clip starts) but to do so she would have to sacrifice the heart of the one she loves most ... the same son she's trying to save
First the red fairy told Fiona about the fate of the savior then showed her the shears. WTF
Upon rewatching this scene, I have to say - how the fuck does Tiger Lily or Blue expect a mother to accept such a fate for her child? Are you freaking kidding me? Yeah. It's great that he would grow and become a great hero. But to tell her that it's also his destiny to die saving many others? Really? Why the hell would they even consider telling a mother the prophecy? That's just stupid.
Really hate characters that present themselves as these kinds representatives of righteousness and authority on morals. Choosing righteousness over compassion? Give me a break.
Well she could have cut hers and he would not have died
@@jeromewright2493 yes he would. Just not at her hands. He's the savior. According to the prophecy and the role of the savior, he's meant to die in the final battle.
@@JiraiyaSama86 yes against her so if she is gone their wont be a final battle
@@jeromewright2493 there was always going to be a final battle. That's how the stories with Saviors always play out. There will be another final villain to take her place. Think of it like a power vacuum. As soon as someone vacates that spot, someone must assume it.
@@JiraiyaSama86 exactly you are right, in all tv series, a hero sacrifices his life to save the world and he is honored for his act
Even in the end the severed destiny still happens, she only severed his destiny as a savior but never really could sever the destiny that her son would still fight her and destroy her. He may have not been a savior to do battle with his mother, but he still came out a hero to save everyone.
Doesn't that still make him the saviour in the situation.
@@miche6563 In a way it still does since he was the one to save everyone from the greatest evil.
Shouldn't Fiona be the Fairy Godmother of her own son
She used to be a normal human until she learned a spell how to turn hrself to fairy.
Fiona you betrayed me because of you Rumple and I are villains And because of you I abandoned my son hhhmmm
exactly, it's her who at caused this disaster
and for me, when rumple has killed peter pan and the black fairy he is became a hero
Why did it take blue so long to get there though? Honestly.
Always hated Blue Fairy. Saw her as an inadvertent villian with some of her choices and ridiculous deals so one sided it made the actual villians seem fare.
I really thought they were setting Tiger Lily up to be the main good fairy in Season 7, just like Blue was in Season 1. But she only showed up once in season 7, and that was in a flashback. There was so much potential for the character that was wasted, but then again that’s how the show runners did things. On a side note, Rumple’s mother didn’t really change his destiny. He did eventually die in battle against a great evil - it just happened to be in battle against the wish realm version of his Dark Lord self instead of his mother
Also, it was Rumple’s mother’s own fault Rumple would have to face a “great evil.” Truth is she could have given up her powers and not tried to kill Tiger Lily. Then she wouldn’t become the great evil and Rumple could have gone on being the savior. Then he wouldn’t have become the Dark One and he wouldn’t have lost his son. She basically screwed his entire life up with her decision
@@curtyeomans8446 exactly, rumple was destined at become a savior but he is became the dark one
I think the real issue was that Fiona did not bother to cut off her own destiny. She cut off her child's destiny to fight the great evil and die in the process. But that did not change the fact that she was to killed by her child according to her destiny.
Okay, but why didn't blue just poof the shears of fate away from the black fairy, like she did with Tiger Lily's heart?
Blue is powerful here, but she became really useless in later years
no, she is very powerful and she is the leader of all the fairies
@@soixsantes she was more or less push over for anyone who wanted to push her around
@@KageNoTenshi yes, but i loved her good, she has often helped snow
@@soixsantes I don’t disagree, but she is suppose to be powerful, as she is shown here, but from season1 on she was just a push over, not a single villain was ever scare of her, they just push her around, and rumple and the queen just treated her as a minor inconvenience
@@KageNoTenshi yes, she doesn't want to fight, she's a peaceful
Those are the ✂️ that the fates used
blue fairy couldn’t banish fiona before she ruined rumple’s life, okay
This was an AWFUL backstory for the Great Evil - the ultimate big bad running through all the events of OUAT. They tried to make the best of it, but it just ended up being a knot of liberties. I don’t believe the Black Fairy as that ultimate villain; this storyline just doesn’t set her up well as that figure. It’s hard for them (A&E) to keep coming up with villain origins that top the last - Evil Queen, Dark One, Wicked Witch etc. and make them seem equally as, or even more dark. They did a good job with Cruella. How can she seem like a total monster without having any great power or dramatic fantasy background to play on? They made it more real and disturbing for her, which worked! She was a relatively minor character, but I really believed her as a serious villain. This is just a confused situation about a mother’s love for her child that just got caught up with destiny/fate and some fairy magic (the fact she turned herself into one what just a bizarre move) and somehow produced an ultimate evil. They needed a much simpler, clearer, damning set up for this character; one that would really make us see this was the toughest figure to go up against. We just got “ahh she’s bad cos she’s the Black Fairy, ooo! Oh and she Rumple’s mommy. Here’s how the dots connect. Work with it!”
i agree with everything you said, you are right
in trying to save his son, fiona has become The Black Fairy and has tipped in the darkness