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Комментарии • 178

  • @jamessm5012
    @jamessm5012 4 года назад +425

    I just realised technically Jack was away for over a year because of the master incident even though it was reversed he still remembers it

    • @Ladco77
      @Ladco77 4 года назад +28

      Yeah, but that's a normal thing with time travelers. You leave and travel across time and space and go back to the moment you left, but you still remember all of it.

    • @jimmuscle2891
      @jimmuscle2891 4 года назад +6

      Who do the Gwen know its been a year if that year never happened?

    • @jimmuscle2891
      @jimmuscle2891 4 года назад +2

      @@jamessm5012 Yeah I didn't think about that he still could have been gone for a year or more like after Rose.

    • @Jedi_Spartan
      @Jedi_Spartan 4 года назад +9

      @@Ladco77 such as how the 11th Doctor took Amy and Rory on adventures for 7 weeks on their anniversary in Power of Three.

    • @beepboopethanj
      @beepboopethanj 4 года назад +13

      @@jimmuscle2891 Okay, so Jack leaves in a certain month. Goes to Utopia with the Doctor and Martha. The Master steals the TARDIS and heads back to some time in 2008. But he's been there for a FEW MONTHS. So when the Doctor and Martha and Jack get back to Earth with Jack's Vortex Manipulator, months have passed. So THAT was the period of time that Torchwood spent without Jack. The Year That Never Was doesn't start until the Master kills the president on the Valiant. But still, all of those months passed. Maybe not exactly a year, but less than that. Several months without Jack at Torchwood

  • @noobmaster-nq6fk
    @noobmaster-nq6fk 4 года назад +160

    Gwen asks Captain Jack where he's been
    Capt. Jack: I was busy fighting with Oliver Queen

    • @lilahali9200
      @lilahali9200 4 года назад +1

      Lmao

    • @bdog3829
      @bdog3829 4 года назад +1

      noobmaster 69 yup

    • @pipersage2100
      @pipersage2100 3 года назад +6

      I pity the fool who doesn’t get that reference cause that was gold

    • @LouieV6
      @LouieV6 2 года назад +3

      Busy helping the Doctor save the world from an evil Time Lord

    • @liamtheman2099
      @liamtheman2099 7 дней назад

      Captain Jack: I was kind of busy fighting an evil time lord while at the end of the universe. What about you?

  • @andybrookes4721
    @andybrookes4721 3 года назад +31

    “I saw the end of the world!” Perfect reference to The Master’s story arc at the end of Doctor Who series 3

  • @TommyRayzer
    @TommyRayzer 4 года назад +293

    I'll never understand why Torchwood had this obsession with having everyone be in a will they won't they romantic situation. Literally everyone. Owen and Tosh. Owen and Gwen. Owen and Jack. Gwen and Owen. Gwen and Jack. Jack and everyone.

    • @WHO_is_on_first
      @WHO_is_on_first 4 года назад +24

      I agree but when was Owen and Jack a thing? Did I miss something

    • @olasobecka6463
      @olasobecka6463 4 года назад +6

      @@WHO_is_on_first IT was that one episode in season 2 when Owen was back from the dead

    • @TommyRayzer
      @TommyRayzer 4 года назад +15

      I could be mistaken, there was so much innuendo and bonking that it was hard to keep up.

    • @Siegfried1917
      @Siegfried1917 4 года назад +11

      well, owen and tosh were together for a while i think, between jack and owen there was always just friendship and jack was a little in love with gwen from the beginning. the only thing that i thought was really weird was owen and gwen making out in the episode cyberwoman, that was just completely random.

    • @hadz001
      @hadz001 3 года назад +6

      You forgot Jack and Jack 😂

  • @Shanethefilmmaker
    @Shanethefilmmaker 4 года назад +116

    You can tell he's skirting between the line of pride and jealousy. He's jealous she's getting married, but he's happy for her none the less.

    • @m3rlins_b3ard
      @m3rlins_b3ard Год назад

      He’s not jealous. He’s sad he wasn’t there when she got asked/announced that she was engaged

    • @non-canonstoryteller
      @non-canonstoryteller Год назад +3

      @@m3rlins_b3ard he IS jealous. He said that he wanted to come back home to her

  • @nytesla_punk3327
    @nytesla_punk3327 4 года назад +45

    What hurts is the fact that Ianto saw Jack and Gwen on the CCTV and took retcon to forget...
    This is canon...

    • @pastelxriibonsaudios350
      @pastelxriibonsaudios350 3 года назад +1

      Wait what? What episode was that? I completely blocked this part out

    • @nytesla_punk3327
      @nytesla_punk3327 3 года назад +3

      @@pastelxriibonsaudios350 In the comic Torchwood: Shrouded. Written by Gareth. You can find some of the comic strips online but not all of them.

    • @nytesla_punk3327
      @nytesla_punk3327 3 года назад +5

      @@pastelxriibonsaudios350 also explains why Ianto thought he was a murderer during Adam.
      Takes place after Meat and Children Of Earth.

  • @mattb6369
    @mattb6369 4 года назад +113

    Technically not the first time Jack saw the end of the world, after his first death he awoke on Satellite 5 with a Dalak-ravaged Earth underneath him.

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 4 года назад

      Well it wasn't as bad as it could have been, thankfully.

    • @benocq
      @benocq 4 года назад +1

      The face of Boe was on that ship that saw the earth get destroyed in series 1 of Doctor Who

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 4 года назад +1

      @@benocq That was at a later date though, even though the episode came first. Timey wimey.

    • @benocq
      @benocq 4 года назад +3

      Matt Evans Oh I know, I was just pointing out that Jack has probably seen the end of the world more times than most

    • @captainowl7017
      @captainowl7017 4 года назад +1

      No Rose killed them all

  • @colettecavazos7343
    @colettecavazos7343 4 года назад +43

    Still can't see Gwen as anything other than Lady Helen from the first episode of Merlin

  • @oalre
    @oalre 3 года назад +26

    How Jack Harkness never fails to create the greatest sexual tension and chemistry WITH ANY ONE AND EVERY ONE, just blows my mind 😂

    • @glazierblue573
      @glazierblue573 Год назад

      Well it's like the Doctor said. "He is a 24th century guy. So many suspicious, so little time." I bet Jack feels quiet restrained in this time period. Lol

  • @Vinvininhk
    @Vinvininhk 4 года назад +16

    "No kissing" but totally omits to mention paralytic lipstick. River Song, Ellaria Sand and Poison Ivy approve.

  • @buffybell3409
    @buffybell3409 4 года назад +38

    So seriously James Marsters was brilliant in the role!

  • @rosesedits
    @rosesedits 4 года назад +30

    Torchwood is just the best show! I miss it 🤗❤

    • @Tyranniod
      @Tyranniod 4 года назад +5

      The first two seasons were great. I love the third but I'll always treasure the first two because the whole team is still there. 🙁

    • @rosesedits
      @rosesedits 4 года назад +3

      @@Tyranniod Agreed! The original team were the best 🤗

  • @xlinnaeus
    @xlinnaeus 4 года назад +156

    Okay, so, Torchwood’s lowkey making a comeback? Is there going to be a cameo in S12 of Doctor who??

    • @wish3dproductions703
      @wish3dproductions703 4 года назад +19

      I doubt it but I really hope there is

    • @ciaranrafferty6724
      @ciaranrafferty6724 4 года назад +9

      Well at least they were referenced

    • @idontremembermylogin
      @idontremembermylogin 4 года назад +7

      They've made an SJA RUclips channel too, I don't think it means much

    • @Temptation666
      @Temptation666 4 года назад +1

      There is no Check mark after the name. This is most likely a fake channel.

    • @ciaranrafferty6724
      @ciaranrafferty6724 4 года назад +8

      Renee Vejbirk it’s not a fake channel as it is listed in the official doctor who channel section otherwise the BBC would’ve taken down all the clips

  • @AlexMartinez-me2yc
    @AlexMartinez-me2yc 4 года назад +8

    Eve Myles. 😍
    John Barrowman. 🙂
    SPIKE!!! 😃

  • @stephenmurphy2212
    @stephenmurphy2212 4 года назад +63

    Captain John Hart needs to come back somehow.

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 4 года назад +5

      Stephen Murphy he’s getting his own spinoff boxset released this month

    • @micthe
      @micthe 4 года назад

      Can you imagine how much he'd flirt withthe 14th doctor? Lol

    • @stephenmurphy2212
      @stephenmurphy2212 4 года назад

      micthe 13th Doctor you mean. 14th Doctor doesn’t exist yet.

    • @sillygoose635
      @sillygoose635 4 года назад

      @@stephenmurphy2212 well, if you include the war doctor... yes

    • @stephenmurphy2212
      @stephenmurphy2212 4 года назад

      Stevie i count 14 faces, but only 13 of them are numbered

  • @pjosepha
    @pjosepha 4 года назад +84

    Is is my. Earring going wrong did Capt. Jack confess he's falling in love with gwen just before he found her wedding ring?

    • @echokixvanderstreaten6456
      @echokixvanderstreaten6456 4 года назад +1

      Jack loves everyone

    • @morganedubois6316
      @morganedubois6316 3 года назад +1

      I'm pretty sure he straight up said he loved her in a later season when something happened to Gwen's daughter. I don't really remember what it was about but they practically confessed their love for each other in that scene.

    • @kalebcorrigan2818
      @kalebcorrigan2818 3 года назад

  • @morganirbs2523
    @morganirbs2523 3 года назад +8

    I've always lowkey shipped Jack and Gwen throughout the show, but never wanted them together. Just enjoyed the relationship that the showrunners wrote in for them. This scene in particular shows more about Jack than it does Gwen. And it proves that even though both of them had feelings for each other, each had to settle for what they could getc(Gwen for Rhys, because as she said "no one would have me", and then Jack for Ianto right after hearing about Gwen and Rhys). Jack was always wishy-washy with his feelings for people (even in Doctor Who). There was never anyone he felt he could settle down with because he liked the rush, and could never find himself to be vulnerable enough for anyone. He allowed himself to be that way with Gwen because she saw straight through his bravado and charismatic exterior. He probably hated it at first, but realized he liked having someone finally understand him. That bond created one of the strongest friendships. The way Jack finally lets his guard down in this scene, and the way Gwen reacts when she realizes that this whole time she could have been with Jack and taken his feelings at face value instead of overthinking. However, Gwen wanted a simple life, and realized through Torchwood that although she loved the thrill, she hated the pain she felt and the things she saw. She felt herself with Rhys and always came back to him once she made a mistake or saw something traumatic. She felt happy and "normal" with him and that was why she never even allowed herself to expand upon anything with Jack. Truly a fantastic little moment of character development in this scene.

    • @morganedubois6316
      @morganedubois6316 3 года назад +1

      I agree with all that except I don't think that jack couldn't settle because he liked the rush. I personally think that he didn't allow himself to settle with people he truly loved because he was too scared to lose them, being immortal and all. Like, the two people that he loves the most are clearly Gwen and the doctor and correct me if I'm wrong but they're the only people he flirts while never actually sleeping with them because he cares too much about them and wouldn't want to lose them. And he also knows that this life is hard and wants her to be able to have something normal in her life to hang on to when things get too difficult that's why he's always pushing her to hang on to her relationship with Rhys. He loves and respects Gwen too much to allow himself to lose her.

  • @CyberController-
    @CyberController- Год назад +4

    I get that the Master's reign never really happened, but Saxon was still Prime Minister and still killed President Winters. Why doesn't Gwen remember that?

  • @chandler8967
    @chandler8967 4 года назад +13

    Lol this channel really loves their Gwack content.

  • @mythra7174
    @mythra7174 4 года назад +50

    Gwen and Jack need to be on Doctor Who.

    • @TheEleventhDoctor
      @TheEleventhDoctor 4 года назад +10

      And they did

    • @mythra7174
      @mythra7174 4 года назад +1

      @@TheEleventhDoctor Heh, yeah, sorry - I meant the new season.

    • @kanashimi4356
      @kanashimi4356 4 года назад +1

      @@mythra7174 Nah, i'd say wait until there's a good show-runner, plus its literally confirmed in the show that Torchwood is gone. As far as the main series is concerned Torchwood Series 4 never happened.

    • @mythra7174
      @mythra7174 4 года назад

      @@kanashimi4356 Doesn't matter if Torchwood is gone - Gwen and Jack could still be on Doctor Who. You're right about waiting for a better show-runner (and writers), though.

    • @lilahali9200
      @lilahali9200 4 года назад +2

      So does Ianto

  • @thedancerSK
    @thedancerSK 4 года назад +6

    Gwen was so messy

  • @leoantsmith
    @leoantsmith 4 года назад +7

    Please say it will return!!

    • @leoantsmith
      @leoantsmith 4 года назад

      @@PeteWizStarKingdom17PWSK yeah I rly hope so, something to make this year better.

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 4 года назад +2

      If it was going to return then the BBC and Russel T Davies wouldn’t have allowed Big Finish audios to make the official series 5 and 6

    • @EditedAF987
      @EditedAF987 4 года назад

      PeteWizStarKingdom 17 I doubt Russel would allow the BBC to ignore all the big Finish stuff. Especially considering he helped out with some of it

    • @wayslorcan
      @wayslorcan 4 года назад

      @@PeteWizStarKingdom17PWSK It would be very disrespectful to big finish if they brought torchwood back and ignored the big finish stuff. The big finish continuation of torchwood is amazing and anyone who wants torchwood back should listen to it, it's definetely a worthy continuation of the show.

  • @lukehodge9026
    @lukehodge9026 Год назад +2

    Remind anyone else of Spike and Angel?

  • @高杉千会
    @高杉千会 4 года назад +2

    Oh,john!!
    I miss you☺

  • @Temptation666
    @Temptation666 4 года назад +7

    Wait. if this is the official Torchwood BBC channel as the description says why don't it have a Check mark symbol after the name? Also why would BBC make a Torchwood RUclips channel years after the show ended?

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 4 года назад +3

      Patience is a virtue. At some point it'll make sense.

    • @kanashimi4356
      @kanashimi4356 4 года назад +6

      Its probably because its so small and new, pretty sure you need like 10,000 or 100,000 subs before you can even get verified.

    • @guytremblay1647
      @guytremblay1647 4 года назад +2

      Because a youtube channel pays when you have lots of viewers . The advertisers do not rely on the subscriber as much as they used to but on the general views of a persons videos now a days

    • @Lucy-ng7cw
      @Lucy-ng7cw 4 года назад +1

      Renee Vejbirk Lots of tv shows are doing it now. Guess they realised people will watch them on other channels anyway; may as well make it official

    • @kevinwaag9976
      @kevinwaag9976 4 года назад

      DVD sells

  • @obiwankenobi687
    @obiwankenobi687 4 года назад +25

    For how progressive Chibnall likes to think he his, he sure as hell tried to throw as many obstacles in the way of jack/Ianto in Torchwood. At least RTD came back in series 3 to fix that, however brief it ended up. Hated Chibnalls dumb forced thing between Gwen and Jack that came completely from nowhere

    • @obiwankenobi687
      @obiwankenobi687 4 года назад +3

      dr103 I know he did, but the point still stands the jack/ Gwen thing was something he shouldn’t have pushed. Ianto/Jack was obviously an RTD idea because I can’t see heterosexual chibnall deliberately writing a gay couple back in 2007 or whenever it was. I just don’t see why he tried so hard to make jack look like a cheating dick completely disrespecting Ianto by always brushing himself up against Gwen and lurking around her like some sex starved pervert

    • @sukiwah
      @sukiwah 4 года назад +2

      @dr103 makes me mad he could write that brilliance and then stuff up doctor who so badly

    • @sukiwah
      @sukiwah 4 года назад

      @@obiwankenobi687 I mean yeah, I agree. The gwack scenes never felt forced, just out of place. They're odd. I don't like to think of those scenes as weird romance but more as an intensely deep friendship, that's how I like to see their relationship anyway.

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 2 года назад +2

      actually it didnt come from nowhere, it was there form that first kiss in day one, Jack reacted like "oooo, that was nice!!"

    • @LouieV6
      @LouieV6 2 года назад +3

      @@sukiwah Not forced. We knew right away from season 1 that Jack was in love with Gwen and always had been

  • @212Assain
    @212Assain 4 года назад +4

    Is Torchwood coming back or somethin?

  • @shaggybear5927
    @shaggybear5927 9 месяцев назад +2

    Rhys deserved better than her.

  • @zacharyfett2491
    @zacharyfett2491 4 года назад

    Where does Jack belong? Where does Captain Jack belong?

  • @rosietreasure6956
    @rosietreasure6956 4 года назад

    I love this show.

  • @ghastly356
    @ghastly356 2 года назад +1

    Is that the Valiant set

  • @rosesedits
    @rosesedits 4 года назад +9

    I love them! 💖

  • @briandaleske5139
    @briandaleske5139 4 года назад

    I think that the actress who plays the character GWEN should reappear in another show series; Be that show series might be BCC America FANTASY show, or if it might be a spinoff show series of (DOCTOR WHO) that involves the adventures of JENNY (The Doctor’s) instant daughter.

  • @dannietea
    @dannietea 3 года назад +3

    This scene always makes me uncomfortable and I don’t know if it’s lack of chemistry, the writing or the fact that it feels like it’s being forced by the writers.

  • @izzyallen2148
    @izzyallen2148 4 года назад +2

    It was the thought of coming home to you
    Me - GWACK GWACK GWACK
    JACK -what's this
    Me- OMG GWEN DID U ACTUALLY GO AND...... she did
    😫

  • @BigFanOfManyThings
    @BigFanOfManyThings 2 года назад +1

    I never liked the whole jack/Gwen thing in the show. Just coz Jack’s attracted to anything that moves and Gwen is the character we follow first into Torchwood, doesn’t mean they should be shoved at each other and pulled back constantly because oh there’s another more normal guy ready there. Gwen already has cheated on Rhys with Owen and still there’s jack, and Jack and Ianto have their own better thing going on, let jack and Gwen have relationships with other people and still be close to each other but not keep hinting that if everyone went away they would jump each other. The doctor never pined over Amy whilst she loved and chose Rory, have jack and Gwen have the same friendship.
    It’s like he tries to get with Gwen here, then after he feels and sees the ring, he acts at first like he’s been betrayed, it seems like he then was more with Ianto later by default or fall out option and that’s not fair.

  • @visionthedadwhoisnowdead2765
    @visionthedadwhoisnowdead2765 4 года назад +11

    I strongly dislike this scene. He’s hitting on gwen and ianto as the second option. Rly bummed me out..

  • @butternuggets868
    @butternuggets868 4 года назад

    How long was he gone for?

    • @troy9330
      @troy9330 4 года назад +2

      I think for them a couple of months but for him it was a whole year

    • @butternuggets868
      @butternuggets868 4 года назад

      @@troy9330 2 to 3 months? Or more like 6?

    • @troy9330
      @troy9330 4 года назад +1

      @@butternuggets868 id say like 2 there werent any really big changes besides gwens engagement and they let him be leader again pretty instantly if he were gone for longer i think there would be a big power struggle with the team

    • @troy9330
      @troy9330 4 года назад

      @dr103 yeah that didn't make much sense since she was new but also i couldn't really see any of them listening to owen

  • @amandineduresse8449
    @amandineduresse8449 Год назад

    J'aurais tout donner pour être à la place de gwen

  • @saffronia2992
    @saffronia2992 4 года назад +6

    This scene highlights one of the many reasons I didn't like Gwen.

  • @non-canonstoryteller
    @non-canonstoryteller 2 года назад +1

    That's true love. No matter how they ended up in canon. These two belong together.

  • @JantoxNaomily
    @JantoxNaomily 4 года назад +25

    The person that runs this is really letting their Janto-hating Gwack shipping colours show. This scene makes me wanna throw up.

    • @dimebag88m
      @dimebag88m 4 года назад

      Janto? If I guess correctly the person you are talking, he isn't Janto, it is Ianto. I not J

    • @JantoxNaomily
      @JantoxNaomily 4 года назад +7

      @@dimebag88m Nope, I'm talking about Janto as in the ship name for Jack and Ianto. The person who runs this is posting loads of videos that shows all the gross Gw*ck scenes but none of the Jack and Ianto scenes. Jack and Ianto was what made this show special. We have never had another sci fi show since where the main character was unapologetically bisexual and in a relationship with someone of the same gender, and just have it be normal.

    • @dimebag88m
      @dimebag88m 4 года назад

      @@JantoxNaomily okay sorry, wasn't sure. because some people write Ianto's name as Janto

    • @ziemenia2416
      @ziemenia2416 4 года назад +7

      Yes that's the only thing that I don't like about this account, everything is focused on Gwen. They didn't even give us the scene when Jack asked Ianto out on a date.
      I just hope that they upload the scene from "to the last man" when they kiss, that was one of the cutest moments of the show.

    • @guytremblay1647
      @guytremblay1647 4 года назад +1

      @@JantoxNaomily have you ever stopped to ask yourself why he doesn,t make videos about Jack and Lanto ? Maybe its because he doesn't want to pure and simple . If you ahd a channel where you want to show the scenes that you liked the most in a TV show You would show the ones that you liked not the ones that you dont like . Its for the viewers to decide if they want to stay on this channel or not not for the viewers to decide on what the content of the videos will be . casue if we go by that why not go ask the BBC to show you Jack and Lanto in a ''Walking With Dinosaurs '' video ? its for them to decide what goes on their video and for you to decide if the channel is interesting enough for you or not

  • @athenabuffington6169
    @athenabuffington6169 4 года назад +3

    Did anyone else dislike Reese

    • @julieeverett7442
      @julieeverett7442 2 года назад +2

      I quite enjoyed Reese but these writers have no concept of what a cop or special ops is. You DO NOT phone up at any odd time to discuss domestic issues

  • @michaelknight2897
    @michaelknight2897 4 года назад +5

    This is part of what I DIDNT like about Torchwood. There is a kinda date rape vibe throughout the show. Whether its alien perfume or pheromones from the future. I think its a kind of gay fantasy (gay men have WAY more partners than any other group).

    • @sukiwah
      @sukiwah 4 года назад +12

      1. Date rape vibe? The only scene which could be considered date rape is Owens scene in the first episode with that perfume, however the subject of whether he did actually rape them or not is quite strongly debated about. Any other scenes were consensual sex, flirting, innuendos or kissing
      2. It looks like you're talking about Jack Harkness, if so, like I mentioned before, he didn't even use the alien perfume, Owen did. At least get your references right
      3. John Barrowman, the man who plays Jack, is gay. Jack is not gay. Jack is omnisexual, meaning (and to quote Tosh) 'He'll shag anything if it's gorgeous enough'
      4. There's nothing wrong with having lots of partners and that fact alone does not have anything to do with date rape. Being gay has nothing to do with date rape. And like I mentioned before, Jack isn't gay. No ones gay in this show. They're all bisexual. So to me you basically said the part of Torchwood you didn't like was all the gayness. If that's not what you meant, please correct me.
      In conclusion, your comment's a mess and makes no sense. Thank you.

    • @uwu2579
      @uwu2579 4 года назад +5

      Hi, quick question, the fuck does this comment mean?? Torchwood is a crew of disaster bisexuals?? that's literally lesson one of the torchwood brief. like? where are you pulling the date rape vibe from? The perfume from episode one with Owen is the only thing I can think of that's "date rapey"? Characters being bisexual doesn't mean they're creeps or anything like that? im- tf do u mean mate

    • @uwu2579
      @uwu2579 4 года назад +3

      wait are u saying that gays are more likely to 'date rape'? or are you saying having lots of partners is 'rapey' ma'am this is a gay Wendy's I didn't come here to be confused ✌️😔✨

    • @amysm0613
      @amysm0613 4 года назад +1

      Well...this comment raises a lot of red flags.

    • @michaelknight2897
      @michaelknight2897 4 года назад

      @@amysm0613 There is an episode of Orville where an alien goes into "heat" essentially, causing everyone to fall in love with him.
      Is that rape or consensual? I think its rape. If you slipped someone a pill to make them love you for 1 day, so you can have sex with them.....isnt that the same thing?