they definitely create a lot more space than he’s hearing, also i find them to be the masters of not doing something because they can but because it sounds good. like i feel the emotion behind the more emphasised notes and how they harmonise, and the feeling of sad chaos in between the notes in almost like a suffering animal panicking to survive. they convey the theme and emotions of the song perfectly through the lyrics and music. these guys are completely on another level.
@@CarlosSanchez-o5m oh I'm very familiar with beyond creation. I was just saving it for his reaction. Beyond creation doesn't get the attention they deserve
My favorite concert last year. Ne Obliviscaris is my current favorite and I really like Beyond Creation too. I was so excited when they added a Pontiac, MI date.
I would try showing him the Faceless, they're a band within this genre that does a really good job of creating space, as Judson puts it. I would start with something from Autotheism and then if he enjoys that you can work your way up to Planetary Duality.
YES!! Thank you for doing my recommendation. I suggested Beyond Creation I think when the Channel was very new still. Glad you finally got to it. I was literally playing this song for my dad in the car today lol. Maybe next can you do Wax and Wane by The Omnific. They're an Australian trio. 2 bassist and drummer. No vocals. Right up y'all's alley!! They opened up for Ne Obliviscaris recently in Michigan. Awesome set. I loved em!
I tried to go back and find your comment. I wanted to give you a shoutout but I couldn’t find it. That was WAY back at the beginning. You’ve been with us from the start. Thank you
@@Greatmeasures your channel and The Daily Doug I think are 2 of the best channels. You both have such a perfect ear for what you're hearing and then can break it down. Metal heads love it when you explain to us musically why we love what we love! Keep it up guys!
I was at that show too! Venue was a little sketch but they all sounded fantastic live. Was awesome to see Ne Ob live for the first time even with no xenoyr
woah you have 17 likes from them! youtube has a new feature where if you click someone's profile pic, it'll show a small overview of them on this channel and shows how many hearts they have! I've NEVER seen so many on someone! You only have 27 comments on this channel and 17 of them were hearted!!
Finally a real and sincere reaction! Thanks for that! It's a change from all the fake overreactions you usually find on RUclips. It's impossible to understand all the subtlety of Beyond Creation at first listen, especially if you don't listen to TechDeath.
I don't listen to metal as much anymore but I revisited this song a couple months ago and it's still brilliant. Love the atmospheric moody vibes. Makes me think of an abandoned post-apocalyptic city in ruins clouded with dust and debris in the air.....
The whole technicality arms race is partly a result of being able to access so much more information than previous generations. What used to take forever to piece together and learn is now just a couple of youtube searches away. Plus, whenever you think of a neat riff idea, you can record it right then and there and play it back to yourself. That opens the door to learning more and more complex songs.
Less is not always more. This band judiciously used every note to a great effect. I didn’t hear any superfluous note choices but then again I’m used to technical death metal. It’s like Limburger cheese, most think it stinks but when the taste is acquired you can’t get enough of it…
This is, in essence, classical music. It's incredibly cohesive, dynamic, and melodically layered. I feel like heavy vocals are like cilantro where you can tolerate them, love them, or have a legitimate genetic aversion to them and can't stand them and that's ok.
“Where Owls Know My Name” - Rivers of Nihil I definitely agree with the too much technical sometimes. I’ll go as far to say I only like technical when it is specific to technical death metal. Has he been introduced to Slam yet?
A couple suggestions. Ichika Nito - Awakening Vektor - Tetrastructural Minds Kasey Chambers - Lose Yourself Harry Mack - Omegle Bars 1. Tigran Hamasyan - Levitation 21 Virvum - Illuminance. All certified bangers across a wide range of genres. Love your reactions. PS: I put Ichika first because he combines perfectly "feel" with "technicality" and I think Judson would appreciate it.
I think a big motivator behind metal being as fast as possible and the emphasis on technical complexity is simply that it's fun to play. I have always likened my personal interest in playing metal guitar to the experience I get from playing a game like Dark Souls. The challenge is part of the fun, and the payoff at the end when you reach a point where you can just fly around the fretboard is just deeply viscerally satisfying.
There´s just something so specially about the timbre of a wooden fretless bass that´s so delicate and sweet sounding inside such violent music, yet it just works so well because it cuts through the mix like almost no other bass sound so it truly becomes such a melodic contrast to distorted guitars and super distorted vocals, just love this style of tech death
I'd definitely love for you guys to react to Be'lakor! One of my top 3 favorite bands ever, up there with TBDM (though very different styles). Songs I'd recommend to start: -Countless Skies (basically a poem about nature) -In Parting (a short story about 2 birds) -An Ember's Arc -Much More Was Lost Those second 2 are part of concept albums that tell stories. An Ember's Arc is the start of a story for its album and it's about the fusion in the sun creating a photon of light, so there's no needed context other than "it continues from there". Much More Was Lost is the last song of an album, so just for context the people that the kids come across in their adventures in that song are references to victims of tragic lives in the other songs. It's about the kids losing their innocence and blissful ignorance of the sadness of the world so to speak. The album as a whole is a collection of tragic stories of people living around a mountain over time.
Sorry, but I think Judson has not understood what this band and this song is about! This song is absolutely amazing and a beautiful example of how songwriting can work within Technical Death Metal! I absolutely love this song, and the video is amazing and outstanding for that kind of music! 🤘😘🎸🤘
I get the debate around the technicality arms race. I liken it to the spice level of food. Some people really enjoy it extreme. What we can all agree on though, is that headless guitars are fucking awful.
Looks wise I've never liked them. But for playability I won't argue it's any significant difference but there's a slight economy of form and function that comes with them. Especially when it comes to Tech Death where the following is relevant. You ever play on some shitty cramped bar stage with 3 or 4 ppl. 6 inches is huge just ask my exes.
@@MedTechMetal If you lighten up the body enough, the weight of the headstock makes the neck want to point down to the ground and now you're holding up your instrument which sucks. Put the tuners on the bottom of the instrument and you can chop off the headstock so it balances. Especially if you play bass, they get really heavy over an hour or two set, and I'm sure older musicians than me love headless instruments as back savers. There's a handful of brands that do good shapes in my opinion, but agreed that a lot of them are just ugly.
@@MedTechMetal stops neck dive and is more ergonomic, especially on smaller/tighter stages. Tend to see them more in prog, jazz, and metal where the appeal is more the sound than the visuals.
"Are their feelings and thoughts behind such a massive amount of notes in such a tight space? And can the audience have the time and space to find things in them through such music formular?" is what Judson tryng to say from what I understand and I have the same feelings too when I come across such tecnical showcase of a song, I need something else to sink my teeth in by preference. I heard from some musicians that "I marvel at this and inspired by this but I won't listen to it for fun or on repeat."
"And can the audience have the time and space to find things in them through such music formular?" I mean, yes? Why else would people listen to it? Technicality and "tightness" are relative. There still is a lot of variation in intensity and musical density inside this song in relation to itself, and a lot of play with tension and release. It's just a matter of acquired taste to be able to gradually familiarize oneself with music of this level of intensity, and start being able to see seeing the beauty and the emotional side of it. To be fair, Beyond Creation *do* write dense stuff, so it's difficult to be able to really grasp intent behind each song on their album on the first, second or even a third listen.
Great song, definitely on my radar now. Scale the Summit might be up your alley in regards to Judson's over saturated comment, they play using a similar style to Beyond Creation but were one of the first I've heard to go off the rails. The Olive Tree is one of my favorites off The Migration
Interesting talking points as usual and although i am forever impressed by technical virtuosity, i tend to agree with Judson. The word i was waiting for him to say was "dynamics". My 50 cents are that heavy music, and by extension all the widdly stuff, sounds way more impressive when balanced by simpler rhythmic ideas. If you're going to do dirty stuff, at least take me out to dinner first.
How about some Virvum? very technical but also beautiful, here are some songs: Illuminance Ad Ridogem Tentacles of the Sun and Elemental shift (sadly very short tho)
Great song, great video. I see what Judson is saying, but I love the over complicated stuff. I'm always hoping music can send me to another dimension one way or another. If you're interested in some proggy/heavy stuff that lightens up on the technicality and leaves room to breathe, I would suggest "Court of the Matriarch" by DVNE, "Tabula Rasa" by Soen, "Radiologue" by OSI, or "Smartfriend" by VOLA.
Lol the comment of headless guitars. Glad you liked the fretless bass Judson. I've been a big fan of this song for years. Since you say you don't like "gutturals" or any metal scream style vocals in general, you should check out Conquering Dystopia. Whole band has no vocals... Ashes of Lesser Men to be more specific And another thing to add, I love when you can tell Richard is really into the song. It usually displays how I feel about the song as well... but shame on Judson, sounds like he doesn't like the sweeps in songs lol
Could you do "Wintersun - Sons of Winter and Stars Live at Sonic Pump Studio" I think would be a great take since it has some good orchestral and lots of good stuff, don't know if you're familiar with it. I do love "Wintersun - Loneliness" as well, is more of a sad take, if you're more on a journey vibe
I hope you gentlemen do another band in the genre, pioneers with Necrophagist, who are Gorod from France. Their greatest song is to me "Disavow Your God", but they have outstanding other tunes with "Elements and Spirits", "Carved in the Wind" or "Here Die Your Gods " and its amazing main groove. Once again, great channel.
Usually, when bands get older (hopefully more mature), they aren't as desirous of showing how fast they can play every song. This is even obvious with BC. You get tired of trying yo be the fastest, heaviest, etc., and start looking more for what sounds the best regardless. Sometimes, that means super technical two hand tapping with sweep picked arpeggios and other times it doesn't. But I definitely get what Judson's saying. Certain genres like shred, technical death metal, etc., lend themselves to a one upsmanship.
I just don't think BC were ever part of that one-upping race to begin with. Other tech death bands set the bar higher than BC ever went a decade before they even got together. First Fragment, Archspire, you could have that argument about them, but BC have always been more laid back and lyrical by the genre's standards
the band is great and there are actually piano covers of their songs, which brings me to TOmmy beauville who did a LOT of piano covers of metal songs, might be cool to dive into some of those. I personally love his Deathspell Omega renditions or Artificial Brain, but cytotoxin would also be great.
Jetson, I’m with you! There is a fine line between great technical and feeling! This song has technical guitars, but I don’t feel it. The drumming is, I feel, trying to but it’s just not working. I’ve seen so many comments bashing GOJIRA for not being technical, but in my eyes, they are the most technical feeling band in there time!
You guys should check out the song Transcendence by Gorod. You can classify it as Progressive/Tech Death Metal but it has a more unique flow to it without just having a lot of flashy fast arpeggios.
I know some songs are technical just for the sake of being technical. You might as well just run exercises. I get that technicality is not musicality but in this situation I feel like it's both. I really "feel" this song and it's the fast shredding that creates the energy that I feel. It's because it's not just the notes it's the rhythms that are really important.
Nuance, finesse and melody are infinitely more interesting than sheer technical over indulgence. The emotion becomes lost with headstockless guitars. 😂❤. Thanks bruhs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Dominic 'Forest' Lapoint originally wrote and recorded the bass parts for this song? 🤔One of the best bassists in the genre, I think! 👌 If you want to check out where progressive death metal anno 2023 is at it's very best, I suggest you check out anything of the new Alkaloid 'Numen' album; next level musicianship and songwriting! Maybe try their awesome track 'Qliphosis'? 😎
I do think there’s a saturation of technicality right now in the metal scene. I also think that the music recently shared with you has been more “technical death metal” or “technical progressive metal”. There’s plenty of other bands that have more emotion…it won’t be felt like Jimi’s blues, but more raw aggression - thinking of hardcore bands, OSDM, metalcore, different subgenres of black metal.
I agree with Jud , lol ,,, AC ⚡️DC has an old song called RiFF RaFF , RiFFs done the right way ! The reasons I tend to stay away Ingway & Stevie Via is because it’s all over the place 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 in a blender sorta speaking !!! I just couldn’t hold in my verbal diarrhea either !!! Lol
Great reaction my friends Again not a huge fan of the noodley guitar / bands. Like some stuff but acknowledge the skill! JAGUAR GOD - MASTODON>.........
Wow, I thought they did a great job of including very technical stuff while still keeping it nice to listen to and not sounding like disjointed instrument masturbation.
Very talented band musically. That said, I am sick and tired of the same ol same old false chords where you can't understand what they're saying. Same techniques used by virtually everybody in the metal nowadays, it's become so watered down it just isn't impressive anymore
Yeah. I kinda call these nerd-metal. When things are done just for a sake of complexity, makes it bit snobish. It looses soul alot when you prioritize technicality. More feelings less complexity.
I feel like this can often be the case. But Beyond Creation pull it together pretty well mostly by assistance of the bass. There's a ton of feel thrown into this song and lots of other ones mostly by virtue of that bass. Biased take though. I'm a big fan of Tech Death.
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they definitely create a lot more space than he’s hearing, also i find them to be the masters of not doing something because they can but because it sounds good.
like i feel the emotion behind the more emphasised notes and how they harmonise, and the feeling of sad chaos in between the notes in almost like a suffering animal panicking to survive.
they convey the theme and emotions of the song perfectly through the lyrics and music.
these guys are completely on another level.
Great song! These guys are great live. Might as well show him first fragment next. Merry Christmas guys.
One of my favorites bands in Technical/Progressive Death Metal wave.
I enjoy your reaction like always, guys.
Judson is a honest man.
Great measures!
Thank you! 🤘
Saving for later. This song is incredible
Listen coexistence by beyond creation
@@CarlosSanchez-o5m oh I'm very familiar with beyond creation. I was just saving it for his reaction. Beyond creation doesn't get the attention they deserve
@@MedTechMetal i think this guy doesnt understand this song yet, It take his Time but once you are into It its magic
@@CarlosSanchez-o5m earthborn evolution might be one of the most perfect songs ever written. It's beautiful and heavy and calming. All at once
@@MedTechMetal thats coexistence for me, fits in that description
saw them live with NeObliviscaris. was a fantastic show.
wtf dude, just those both bands in a single night together, the thought of it, you lucky son of someone! :D
My favorite concert last year. Ne Obliviscaris is my current favorite and I really like Beyond Creation too. I was so excited when they added a Pontiac, MI date.
Saw Beyond Creation playing this song live last year... simply Amazing!
I would try showing him the Faceless, they're a band within this genre that does a really good job of creating space, as Judson puts it. I would start with something from Autotheism and then if he enjoys that you can work your way up to Planetary Duality.
That three piece suite from Autotheism is awesome, great musicality in Autotheism.
I was going to say the same thing. That album is what got me into the faceless.@@TrevIEnt
I was hoping you would get to this, incredible song and great reaction. You’re fast becoming one of my favourite channels…
YES!! Thank you for doing my recommendation. I suggested Beyond Creation I think when the Channel was very new still. Glad you finally got to it. I was literally playing this song for my dad in the car today lol.
Maybe next can you do Wax and Wane by The Omnific. They're an Australian trio. 2 bassist and drummer. No vocals. Right up y'all's alley!! They opened up for Ne Obliviscaris recently in Michigan. Awesome set. I loved em!
I tried to go back and find your comment. I wanted to give you a shoutout but I couldn’t find it. That was WAY back at the beginning. You’ve been with us from the start. Thank you
@@Greatmeasures your channel and The Daily Doug I think are 2 of the best channels. You both have such a perfect ear for what you're hearing and then can break it down. Metal heads love it when you explain to us musically why we love what we love! Keep it up guys!
@@adamhenton6221 thank you!
I was at that show too! Venue was a little sketch but they all sounded fantastic live. Was awesome to see Ne Ob live for the first time even with no xenoyr
woah you have 17 likes from them!
youtube has a new feature where if you click someone's profile pic, it'll show a small overview of them on this channel and shows how many hearts they have! I've NEVER seen so many on someone! You only have 27 comments on this channel and 17 of them were hearted!!
Finally a real and sincere reaction! Thanks for that! It's a change from all the fake overreactions you usually find on RUclips. It's impossible to understand all the subtlety of Beyond Creation at first listen, especially if you don't listen to TechDeath.
I don't listen to metal as much anymore but I revisited this song a couple months ago and it's still brilliant. Love the atmospheric moody vibes. Makes me think of an abandoned post-apocalyptic city in ruins clouded with dust and debris in the air.....
The whole technicality arms race is partly a result of being able to access so much more information than previous generations. What used to take forever to piece together and learn is now just a couple of youtube searches away. Plus, whenever you think of a neat riff idea, you can record it right then and there and play it back to yourself. That opens the door to learning more and more complex songs.
Less is not always more. This band judiciously used every note to a great effect. I didn’t hear any superfluous note choices but then again I’m used to technical death metal. It’s like Limburger cheese, most think it stinks but when the taste is acquired you can’t get enough of it…
This is, in essence, classical music. It's incredibly cohesive, dynamic, and melodically layered. I feel like heavy vocals are like cilantro where you can tolerate them, love them, or have a legitimate genetic aversion to them and can't stand them and that's ok.
I've watched a lot of your videos but yall earned my sub as soon as I saw the title
“Where Owls Know My Name” - Rivers of Nihil
I definitely agree with the too much technical sometimes. I’ll go as far to say I only like technical when it is specific to technical death metal. Has he been introduced to Slam yet?
Definitely let him see First Fragment - Pantheum next. The music video is great and Forest is a god on the fretless bass.
A couple suggestions.
Ichika Nito - Awakening
Vektor - Tetrastructural Minds
Kasey Chambers - Lose Yourself
Harry Mack - Omegle Bars 1.
Tigran Hamasyan - Levitation 21
Virvum - Illuminance.
All certified bangers across a wide range of genres.
Love your reactions.
PS: I put Ichika first because he combines perfectly "feel" with "technicality" and I think Judson would appreciate it.
Top level recommendations right here!
Vektor and Virvum is a MUST LISTEN!!!
I think a big motivator behind metal being as fast as possible and the emphasis on technical complexity is simply that it's fun to play. I have always likened my personal interest in playing metal guitar to the experience I get from playing a game like Dark Souls. The challenge is part of the fun, and the payoff at the end when you reach a point where you can just fly around the fretboard is just deeply viscerally satisfying.
There´s just something so specially about the timbre of a wooden fretless bass that´s so delicate and sweet sounding inside such violent music, yet it just works so well because it cuts through the mix like almost no other bass sound so it truly becomes such a melodic contrast to distorted guitars and super distorted vocals, just love this style of tech death
If there's one thing I know about Strandberg guitars. If a band goes up on stage and brings out one of those, you're about to get your face melted.
Saw them live they’re incredible
I love this song so much 🙏🏾
I'd definitely love for you guys to react to Be'lakor! One of my top 3 favorite bands ever, up there with TBDM (though very different styles). Songs I'd recommend to start:
-Countless Skies (basically a poem about nature)
-In Parting (a short story about 2 birds)
-An Ember's Arc
-Much More Was Lost
Those second 2 are part of concept albums that tell stories. An Ember's Arc is the start of a story for its album and it's about the fusion in the sun creating a photon of light, so there's no needed context other than "it continues from there". Much More Was Lost is the last song of an album, so just for context the people that the kids come across in their adventures in that song are references to victims of tragic lives in the other songs. It's about the kids losing their innocence and blissful ignorance of the sadness of the world so to speak. The album as a whole is a collection of tragic stories of people living around a mountain over time.
I second this
Sorry, but I think Judson has not understood what this band and this song is about! This song is absolutely amazing and a beautiful example of how songwriting can work within Technical Death Metal! I absolutely love this song, and the video is amazing and outstanding for that kind of music! 🤘😘🎸🤘
Never heard this song. Thanks for the introduction!
Love Beyond Creation. Just saw them live with Ne Obliviscaris a couple weeks ago and it was amazing. Please show him Death - Voice of the Soul
I get the debate around the technicality arms race. I liken it to the spice level of food. Some people really enjoy it extreme.
What we can all agree on though, is that headless guitars are fucking awful.
Been playing for over 20 years, I never understood the appeal of headless guitars.
Looks wise I've never liked them. But for playability I won't argue it's any significant difference but there's a slight economy of form and function that comes with them. Especially when it comes to Tech Death where the following is relevant. You ever play on some shitty cramped bar stage with 3 or 4 ppl. 6 inches is huge just ask my exes.
😂 Waiting on Judson to stop by and pile on the hatred of headless guitars.
@@MedTechMetal If you lighten up the body enough, the weight of the headstock makes the neck want to point down to the ground and now you're holding up your instrument which sucks. Put the tuners on the bottom of the instrument and you can chop off the headstock so it balances. Especially if you play bass, they get really heavy over an hour or two set, and I'm sure older musicians than me love headless instruments as back savers. There's a handful of brands that do good shapes in my opinion, but agreed that a lot of them are just ugly.
@@MedTechMetal stops neck dive and is more ergonomic, especially on smaller/tighter stages. Tend to see them more in prog, jazz, and metal where the appeal is more the sound than the visuals.
"Are their feelings and thoughts behind such a massive amount of notes in such a tight space? And can the audience have the time and space to find things in them through such music formular?" is what Judson tryng to say from what I understand and I have the same feelings too when I come across such tecnical showcase of a song, I need something else to sink my teeth in by preference. I heard from some musicians that "I marvel at this and inspired by this but I won't listen to it for fun or on repeat."
"And can the audience have the time and space to find things in them through such music formular?"
I mean, yes? Why else would people listen to it? Technicality and "tightness" are relative. There still is a lot of variation in intensity and musical density inside this song in relation to itself, and a lot of play with tension and release. It's just a matter of acquired taste to be able to gradually familiarize oneself with music of this level of intensity, and start being able to see seeing the beauty and the emotional side of it.
To be fair, Beyond Creation *do* write dense stuff, so it's difficult to be able to really grasp intent behind each song on their album on the first, second or even a third listen.
One of the best ❤
Great song, definitely on my radar now. Scale the Summit might be up your alley in regards to Judson's over saturated comment, they play using a similar style to Beyond Creation but were one of the first I've heard to go off the rails. The Olive Tree is one of my favorites off The Migration
Yes Judson.
Ese pianista tiene un oído brutal 🎉
You made me remember about Fallujah.
You can try listening to track - Dreamless. No growling here.
Interesting talking points as usual and although i am forever impressed by technical virtuosity, i tend to agree with Judson. The word i was waiting for him to say was "dynamics".
My 50 cents are that heavy music, and by extension all the widdly stuff, sounds way more impressive when balanced by simpler rhythmic ideas. If you're going to do dirty stuff, at least take me out to dinner first.
How about some Virvum? very technical but also beautiful, here are some songs:
Illuminance
Ad Ridogem
Tentacles of the Sun
and Elemental shift (sadly very short tho)
mmm. Virvum. Illuminance is a masterpiece.
Great song, great video. I see what Judson is saying, but I love the over complicated stuff. I'm always hoping music can send me to another dimension one way or another.
If you're interested in some proggy/heavy stuff that lightens up on the technicality and leaves room to breathe, I would suggest "Court of the Matriarch" by DVNE, "Tabula Rasa" by Soen, "Radiologue" by OSI, or "Smartfriend" by VOLA.
I mean if it sounds this good its not overcomplicated lmao
Lol the comment of headless guitars. Glad you liked the fretless bass Judson. I've been a big fan of this song for years.
Since you say you don't like "gutturals" or any metal scream style vocals in general, you should check out Conquering Dystopia. Whole band has no vocals... Ashes of Lesser Men to be more specific
And another thing to add, I love when you can tell Richard is really into the song. It usually displays how I feel about the song as well... but shame on Judson, sounds like he doesn't like the sweeps in songs lol
Try next Archspire - Golden mouth of ruin
Could you do "Wintersun - Sons of Winter and Stars Live at Sonic Pump Studio" I think would be a great take since it has some good orchestral and lots of good stuff, don't know if you're familiar with it.
I do love "Wintersun - Loneliness" as well, is more of a sad take, if you're more on a journey vibe
Great choices, love Wintersun
I hope you gentlemen do another band in the genre, pioneers with Necrophagist, who are Gorod from France. Their greatest song is to me "Disavow Your God", but they have outstanding other tunes with "Elements and Spirits", "Carved in the Wind" or "Here Die Your Gods " and its amazing main groove. Once again, great channel.
Usually, when bands get older (hopefully more mature), they aren't as desirous of showing how fast they can play every song. This is even obvious with BC. You get tired of trying yo be the fastest, heaviest, etc., and start looking more for what sounds the best regardless. Sometimes, that means super technical two hand tapping with sweep picked arpeggios and other times it doesn't. But I definitely get what Judson's saying. Certain genres like shred, technical death metal, etc., lend themselves to a one upsmanship.
I just don't think BC were ever part of that one-upping race to begin with. Other tech death bands set the bar higher than BC ever went a decade before they even got together. First Fragment, Archspire, you could have that argument about them, but BC have always been more laid back and lyrical by the genre's standards
It feels like it's almost time for Archspire. Reverie on the Onyx or Drain of Incarnation I think would be good.
Finally, between Stortregn and this we're starting to get more technical
Curious to see what he thinks of something by death. Something off individual thought patterns.
Obscura
Headless stocks really grind my gears
the band is great and there are actually piano covers of their songs, which brings me to TOmmy beauville who did a LOT of piano covers of metal songs, might be cool to dive into some of those. I personally love his Deathspell Omega renditions or Artificial Brain, but cytotoxin would also be great.
Here are more cool bands - Equipoise, Brought By Pain, this is a continuation of Beyond Creation, there is the same bass player. 🤘😎🤘
He might like the 2 good albums by Scar Symmetry. Holographic and pitch black. Cant fault the vocals theres.
Jetson, I’m with you! There is a fine line between great technical and feeling! This song has technical guitars, but I don’t feel it. The drumming is, I feel, trying to but it’s just not working.
I’ve seen so many comments bashing GOJIRA for not being technical, but in my eyes, they are the most technical feeling band in there time!
You guys should check out the song Transcendence by Gorod. You can classify it as Progressive/Tech Death Metal but it has a more unique flow to it without just having a lot of flashy fast arpeggios.
Everything I Do INTRO
🤣🤣
I am kind of with Judson on this one, I am more old school. Give me one Iron Maiden riff or melody over a 100 of these technical guitar feats.
Next canadian nuclear power
ARCHSPIRE DRAIN OF INCARNATION
PLEASE.
And first fragment too , another canadian nuclear brutal Power.
I feel what pianist opinion... and maybe he's will like band call HIM....
Awesome, I bet some Spiral Architect would go down well 👍
I know some songs are technical just for the sake of being technical. You might as well just run exercises. I get that technicality is not musicality but in this situation I feel like it's both. I really "feel" this song and it's the fast shredding that creates the energy that I feel. It's because it's not just the notes it's the rhythms that are really important.
Love the break down at the end and just to be an ass I'd love to see you react to some rings of Saturn reactions to really melt judsons brain😅
Nuance, finesse and melody are infinitely more interesting than sheer technical over indulgence. The emotion becomes lost with headstockless guitars. 😂❤. Thanks bruhs.
Having a headstock or not seems like a wildly arbitrary parameter for judging emotion.
Taste in music are like opinions, they all matter, to someone, but I don't have to listen to it. 😉
whats up with prog people and headless guitars?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Dominic 'Forest' Lapoint originally wrote and recorded the bass parts for this song? 🤔One of the best bassists in the genre, I think! 👌
If you want to check out where progressive death metal anno 2023 is at it's very best, I suggest you check out anything of the new Alkaloid 'Numen' album; next level musicianship and songwriting! Maybe try their awesome track 'Qliphosis'? 😎
Estos son los profesores , de los ,y los alumnos , qué crearon el deathmetall
I do think there’s a saturation of technicality right now in the metal scene. I also think that the music recently shared with you has been more “technical death metal” or “technical progressive metal”.
There’s plenty of other bands that have more emotion…it won’t be felt like Jimi’s blues, but more raw aggression - thinking of hardcore bands, OSDM, metalcore, different subgenres of black metal.
I agree with Jud , lol ,,, AC ⚡️DC has an old song called RiFF RaFF , RiFFs done the right way ! The reasons I tend to stay away Ingway & Stevie Via is because it’s all over the place 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 💩 in a blender sorta speaking !!! I just couldn’t hold in my verbal diarrhea either !!! Lol
maybe do voice of a soul...by death
Great reaction my friends Again not a huge fan of the noodley guitar / bands. Like some stuff but acknowledge the skill! JAGUAR GOD - MASTODON>.........
You guys obviously go to the same barbershop.
Wow, I thought they did a great job of including very technical stuff while still keeping it nice to listen to and not sounding like disjointed instrument masturbation.
If yiu want more good bassplaying, you must react to Angra - Upper Levels
Very talented band musically. That said, I am sick and tired of the same ol same old false chords where you can't understand what they're saying. Same techniques used by virtually everybody in the metal nowadays, it's become so watered down it just isn't impressive anymore
Yeah. I kinda call these nerd-metal. When things are done just for a sake of complexity, makes it bit snobish. It looses soul alot when you prioritize technicality. More feelings less complexity.
I feel like this can often be the case. But Beyond Creation pull it together pretty well mostly by assistance of the bass. There's a ton of feel thrown into this song and lots of other ones mostly by virtue of that bass. Biased take though. I'm a big fan of Tech Death.
Beyond creation are the most amazing and boring band at the same time
Imagine if this song was sung cleanly.
They have better songs imo