Thank you for stating these points which I 100% agree with. As a retired psychologist I have watched this unethical and unscientific ideology unfold. To deliberately deceive in this manner is truly shameful. Surely innocent children deserve better.
It must be a weird feeling to see all this play out before you during your retirement. On the one hand you should count yourself lucky that you don't have to deal with this nonsense regime in power, telling you what to do and you know it's wrong. But it must also be frustrating to look back from your retirement to the field as it behaves now, see all the harm being done and know what a mess this will all be that somebody has to make right, and all the suffering along the way.
Towards the end, Levine mentions a fact I had not heard of, from the Cecilia Dheine 2011 Swedish study. The "transmen" that is, natal women who had surgeries to appear male had a 40 times higher rate of death by suicide than the age-matched control sample. The rate of death by suicide was termed :"only" 19 times higher than the control group, but the women's data was folded in with men's and the number didn't look quite so shocking. Every parent of a daughter needs to know this.
Before the onset of trans-propaganda FtM transition was practically unknown, being trans was a male thing. Therefore the majority of those "transmen" are false positives, victims of social contagion.
@@evastephan9441 As Dr. SB Levine states, (for both sexes, and I believe he means both minors and adults) It is NOT true that a "trans identity is immutable, unchangeable and unchanging." We know this from the detrans community as well as the flip flops between "non-binary" and other labels. I'm beginning to think my ex-husband had undiagnosed, high-functioning autism. He's more socially awkward than before he "transitioned" 25 years ago.
but this is irrelevant if we dont know the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria who don't transition. A comparison to the general population is irrelevant if the suicide rate of people denied gender-affirming care is even higher.
@@Crankhy The rate of self-harm, ideation and all are just not properly studied. "Denied care" was not a thing in progressive Sweden. Watch this again and get your facts.
@@UteHeggenTranswidowHealsJust show me data that shows people with unaffirmed gender dysphoria's suicidality is lower than that of people with gender dysphoria who got affirmed. You can't, because the date doesn't show it.- In fact we have many studies that show affirmation helps. But I am open to data disproving that fact.
Because the regret rates are surveys done anonymously. You can't "silence" those data points. The regret rate for trans surgery is less then most other elective and essential surgeries. Breast augmentation surgery, hip replacement surgery, and nose surgery are all surgeries that have more regret rate then trans surgery.
@@boringstuff1542 I am intrigued. Are playing both sides? Are you talking about essential life saving trans-affirming surgery as "elective" or essential? The removal of breast tissue for a 14 year old is framed as essential, otherwise how else could one rationalize doing it? Be that as it may, I saw recent "research" from MacKinnon et al that attempts to frame those who "de-transition" after surgical interventions as "feeling" they recieved a positive outcome (benefit) from their transition experience. This really sounds more like an individual in denial, or suffering a serious mental condition. Someone trying to rationalize damage which an individual may have unfortunately brought about on themself. In the end, its hard to get people to respond to surveys that have felt harmed, anonymously or otherwise. I am sure all these people would tell you it was great for them, well right up to the day before it stopped being great and they chose another way to end their suffering: Henry Berg-Brousseau, Kayleigh Scott, Vanessa Vincenzo Barrett, Yaeli Martinez, Pina Newman, Xavier Raddysh. There is a long list of individuals that have chosen to signal their regret in an alternative manner to a survey. They also tend to have the lowest response rate to such a survey.
@@boringstuff1542 anonymous surveys aren't data points. They are barely surveys. Without proper studies it's impossible to know the number detransitioners. They're not even going back to their doctors to tell them because those are the people that betrayed them. There is a growing number ready to speak out and we're going to see a hell of a lot more in the coming years. Familiarise yourself with the labotomy medical scandal, we're living through another version and it's destroying young lives
@@markrussell3428 Surveys that were done 5 years after the surgery took place anonymously. I was saying that there were examples of both non essential and essential surgeries that had higher rates of regret then trans surgeries. I said in my previous post "The regret rate for trans surgery is less then most other elective AND essential surgeries." So no I'm not "playing both sides" you just need to concentrate more. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. When asked why these trans people regretted taking the surgery 90% said it was because of the way society treated them ie it's not because they were stupid and misguided. So if you exclude all the people who regret taking the surgery because of people like you abusing them trans surgery regret rates are even smaller then the regret rates of laser eye surgery.
It's a pity Dr Levine did not have more time to expand on his very well-made points. The lie about explorative and supportive psychotherapy being conversion therapy is particularly troubling as it blocks a pathway for dysphoria youth to learn how to live healthily with their dysphoria rather than going down the medical route with all its harms.
Both ways have risks. Thoughts can lead to negative outcomes if unguided. If hrt is banned, it should be banned across the board. For everyone. Which means my mother would go without hormones since she got a double hysterectomy. Bring on the hot flashes! We need to make the population at large feel more comfortable! Sorry mom!
@@majorlycunningham5439 Why should it be banned across the board? HRT is for treating a specific hormonal deficiency in a targeted way with that specific hormone that is accepted by the female body by design. Many women *will* suffer without it - psychotherapy or radical self-acceptance won't cure it. Treating an emotional/psychiatric condition with varying social causes and no 'lack of oestrogen' is off-label use. Men have no equivalent need for oestrogen in order to function. There are many other options for gender dysphoria where there aren't for the debilitating effects of menopause. What you're suggesting is a bit like saying "well if we can't have what we want, you can't get what you need, nyerh!" Womens' genuine need far outstrips the desires of a few men with an intractable psychological condition.
An important extension of point 7 is that, because gender affirming care doesn't work for everyone, working towards additional treatments is necessary in good medical practice and isn't transphobia.
@@majorlycunningham5439it should be limited the way countries like Norway have begun limiting it. They have been doing it the longest and have the data that shows most teens should not get puberty blockers. Most. Instead of the California model of automatically agreeing with the child's self assessment and starting them immediately.
Harry Benjamin had stricter guidelines. Ken Zucker said 80% of kids showing gender dysphoria will live adult lives in their natal gender and I think that number is even higher. Transition is only for those who are consistent, insistent, and persistent and live as the other gender first. Way too many kids and adults are being diagnosed and rushed off to treatment with a two-page informed consent waiver. Other psychological issues are never addressed because it is now not required and when it is in some places the therapist has to affirm your beliefs by law. This sort of reminds me of multiple personality disorder where the public was enthralled by it and then 20 years later, psychologists back peddled. The same might be true for the autism diagnosis but there's a degree of nuance and evaluation in order to come to those conclusions. We are not seeing it with the transgender phenomenon/push.
Harry Benjamin the man was a charlatan who believed that turtle juice could cure tuberculosis. Any "guideline" is merely a way for doctors to select people whom they think they will be able to get away with experimenting on. none of it is healthcare; all of it stems from the sick whims of psychopaths wanting to change the sex of individuals.
Writing as an 79 year old MtF, having had SRS in 2004 at the age of 60 At that time I had worked in commerce & industry for 44 years since leaving school at the age of 16. I consider that I made the correct & ONLY decision to transition & undergo surgery. Given the same situation again I would make the same decision today without question. Having said that I do consider someone aged 16 far too young to understand themselves or the world around them & basically they need to speak to us older trans people to find context.
The experience would inform them of some of the realities. Eg if they're looking for external validation perhaps it's not for them. If it's related to a deep seated discomfort with their anatomy, which doesn't stem from external projections about what people think of them (gender), then maybe it could provide some therapeutic effect
and i'm guessing you routinely violate the boundaries of women by invading their spaces. "right decision". society doesn't need to speak to you older autogynephiles who squandered medical resources, society needs to constantly remind you that you're men and not indulge your paraphilias nor ascribe any religious significance to your body modifications.
@@toddgack1287 you realize hating trans people is a psyop by the deep state and the biden administration to keep True American Patriots from paying attention to all the money Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Tech are making off of the Ukraine Crisis? Have you ever met a trans person in real life? they're actually pretty normal and respectable people, not like the caricatures the Fake News wants you to think they are.
But you have not change sex. You must acknowledge that you cannot change sex, just as rivers do not flow up mountains and gravity does not cause the repulsion of objects. As long as you use the correct spaces (physical and social) for your male sex then of course you are free to declare a female "gender". The word woman is taken: it is taken by XX females (usual case).
I putting this qustion out to someone thats a professional clinical psychologist or psychiatrist that deals with gender assessment and autism. Is there something anywhere in the ICD11 or the DSM5 to do gender assessments as part of an autism assessment? Childen or adults . I have an assessment done in 2016 and i got gender assessed even though i was not looking for a gender assessments and clinically they stole my sis gender off me that im perfectly fine with. This has increasingly bothered me more and more as the gender question comes up on every form these days and frankly i dont believe its of anyones right to have you affirm your gender pronouns if not nessersery and only usefull if your wanting accomidations for gender dysphia but then dose that become a mental health question in the gues of asking what is your assigned sex is ? Where dose this end ? Do we have a right to not be gendered by others as it feels a bit unethical that i had someone impose their gender ideals on me , now on my medical records when i dont identify as anything more than the sis feamale i was born as. Are they saying im wrong. Very confused to what that actually means to do this?
I am autistic and I feel the way you feel, I don't care about gender identity. I think in their minds they have noticed that autistic people have 11 times more chances of not conforming to or understanding gender roles. I think that what's happening is they are being told that the way to treat gender nonconformity is by doing a gender evaluation and then maybe affirmation therapy. This sounds weird to me because I don't think not conforming to gender expectations means anything other than you are you, and that's fine. But I THINK that's where that comes from. The reason I think this is because I saw a video a psychiatrist made the other day where he suggested that people diagnosed autistic should also undergo a gender identity evaluation, because of the 11x thing. This is th video I'm talking about: ruclips.net/video/I6MWY6wnpxk/видео.html
@@superespiritual1553 i was a teen in the mid 80s and earliy 90s when if you where a girl doing a trade, you where about quality and feminism yet not even your sexualtiy was questioned we where expected to do trads classes ( sheet metal, machining workshop , woodwork and general mechanics) on top i did drafting in techincal desing separate from art and all where part of our school criciulm and you had no choice in this just as much as the boys did textiles ( sewing) and home economics (cooking) . Tell me that my education pushed gender norms and the school uniform was not a girls uni for and a boys uni form. It was gray pants with a choice of 2 diffent jumpers of either the gray woll v neck or blue wind cheatet, white shirt ,a blue kilt and or blue or gray tights or socks ,blue summer dress , a blazer, blue tie and black leather shoes and if a boy showed up in the kilt , he technically was in uniform, this happened and he was right as there was no genders applied to either item of clothing and he was the dude for sticking it up the school. But i was assessed in 2016 and healthy gamer is saying this is a new study, yes we knew that there was a slice of the LBGTQI+ community ,not just gender identity issuse back in 2016 and i use to watch his stuff but he has had some screwed up ideas about adhd and asd so i stopped watching him . He uses futioning lables and problematic launguage as in even in this , he call Autisum an illnesses and dosent even mention" Neurodiversity ". My assessment was way befor the study in 2022 he is talking about . So are we back to the 1950s with gender norms becaues women where lumber jacks and built boat in the 1940s for the war effort but fragile male egos did not their wives being the bread winners when they returned back from war so women where pushed back in to the homes to be weak fading fem fatals . So whos gender norms are we talking about all this stuff happened to NTs too. The only gender norm that i may upset us a male , that never learnt to man that is world be a case of toxic masculinity calling the shots there.. Heck , my skin tone and pink are not friends, i live rural so powder and pearls are not appropriate for daily wear chasing cows and ive always been a non apologetic strong independent woman that chooses to be with a man because i sure dont need 1 to support me or protect me and i can change a tyer and open a jam jar ok enough on my own .. lol This would not have been seen as unusual back befor mobile phones because prince charming was not coming on his white stead if you got a flat out on some bush track in the middle of the never never. Girls knew how to chang a tyer back then or they did not get home that day! Should we wear mascara to feed the chooks? Im not no binery, there is no room for frills and lipstick in my day to day and i wear work wear because its safty equipment... But aparently im pan gender, not pan sexual. Whats that suposed to mean that all and nothing at the same time including trans. What a load of shit , im just not a woman and mother thats going to cry if i brake a nail.
@@superespiritual1553 i will say the clinical psychologist that specilized in women and non binery folk on the spectum that did my assessment was a sis fem when i first met them and now full op trans male and use to conduct gay conversion therapy treatments back in the day conected to a church.... thats a flip on their ethics but they where the only women on the spectrum CP in the region. May be the church of trans at work here? I seen them because im a female, not because i belived i was gender non conforming as gender non conforming can be as stupid as having short hair and the last thing i needed was for someone to say i dont even know who i am enough to know if im ok with my girl bits . Actully ive not even got body shame issues. Its actully preety dam good for a woman my age and has always been fit and genetically on the thin side with BOOBS lol , whats to compare my thoughts about if im in the right body ? My body rocks but aparently that psychologist did not want to hear i dont even have body dysmophia, no history of eatting disorders let alone gender disphoia? I just dont mind getting drity for a living and carring on the family bussisness as this is the only life i know.
upsetting to see such a focus on anti-trans propaganda on this page. these are so simple to dispute. For example, "gender dysphoria starts with an attraction to same sex" I am a trans man, I am gay. I like other men.
I’m not an expert here, but regardless of the topic, this seems to be little more than flimsy cherry-picking of evidence (and an “expert”) to support a pre-determined goal or POV. Very weak.
Each of the things listed here has the burden of proof to establish they are true in the first place. Levines point is that none of these things have satisfied the burden of proof to hold them as true. If you disagree with that point, then pointing out some place where the burden of proof has been satisfied would be an good rebuttal.
So what wouldn't be cherry-picking in your mind? Would it be picking the doctors who specialize in providing "affirming" care? Or picking researchers who contributed to the WPATH guidelines? Should we only consider the opinions of those who practice blood-letting to speak to it's efficacy? What about lobotomies?
Maybe read up on who Dr. Stephen Levine is. He has been working in this area since the late 60’s so yeah he is an expert unlike me or you. People with anorexia’s subjective experience is not congruent with reality, we do not encourage them in harming themselves. The declassification of specific mental disorders is doing a huge disservice to vulnerable people.
@@sof553 the fact that he has been working on this area since the 60s is more reason to view his opinions with suspicion. He is clinging to a few discarded perceptions just like the few opponents of conversion therapy and climate change deniers. People that desire to believe his views will believe him no matter what all the other experts and evidence say.
@@phillycheesetake We should put more trust in the 99 that have pursued data into the present than the 1 who clings to 50 year old paradigms-even when the 50 year old paradigms make us feel good about our own opinions.
If all this gender dysphoria is false, then how do you explain the 40% of trans identify youth who attempt suicide ? Answer that one, Mr. Smarty Pants.🤪
Correlation without causation. People with mental illness likely to make them suicidal are overrepresented in people who fall for trans identity as a « solution ». Doesn’t mean affirmative care in the solution. Are my pants smart enough for you?
Cornell University has a wonderful page that has compiled research from across the world. "What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being?"
Thank you for stating these points which I 100% agree with. As a retired psychologist I have watched this unethical and unscientific ideology unfold. To deliberately deceive in this manner is truly shameful. Surely innocent children deserve better.
It must be a weird feeling to see all this play out before you during your retirement. On the one hand you should count yourself lucky that you don't have to deal with this nonsense regime in power, telling you what to do and you know it's wrong. But it must also be frustrating to look back from your retirement to the field as it behaves now, see all the harm being done and know what a mess this will all be that somebody has to make right, and all the suffering along the way.
Towards the end, Levine mentions a fact I had not heard of, from the Cecilia Dheine 2011 Swedish study. The "transmen" that is, natal women who had surgeries to appear male had a 40 times higher rate of death by suicide than the age-matched control sample. The rate of death by suicide was termed :"only" 19 times higher than the control group, but the women's data was folded in with men's and the number didn't look quite so shocking. Every parent of a daughter needs to know this.
Before the onset of trans-propaganda FtM transition was practically unknown, being trans was a male thing. Therefore the majority of those "transmen" are false positives, victims of social contagion.
@@evastephan9441 As Dr. SB Levine states, (for both sexes, and I believe he means both minors and adults) It is NOT true that a "trans identity is immutable, unchangeable and unchanging." We know this from the detrans community as well as the flip flops between "non-binary" and other labels. I'm beginning to think my ex-husband had undiagnosed, high-functioning autism. He's more socially awkward than before he "transitioned" 25 years ago.
but this is irrelevant if we dont know the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria who don't transition. A comparison to the general population is irrelevant if the suicide rate of people denied gender-affirming care is even higher.
@@Crankhy The rate of self-harm, ideation and all are just not properly studied. "Denied care" was not a thing in progressive Sweden. Watch this again and get your facts.
@@UteHeggenTranswidowHealsJust show me data that shows people with unaffirmed gender dysphoria's suicidality is lower than that of people with gender dysphoria who got affirmed. You can't, because the date doesn't show it.- In fact we have many studies that show affirmation helps. But I am open to data disproving that fact.
If anyone who declares regret is silenced how can they possibly know what the regret rates are. Well done for speaking up. Too few professionals are
Bingo! What does it say about "the cause" which seeks to silence voices
Because the regret rates are surveys done anonymously. You can't "silence" those data points. The regret rate for trans surgery is less then most other elective and essential surgeries. Breast augmentation surgery, hip replacement surgery, and nose surgery are all surgeries that have more regret rate then trans surgery.
@@boringstuff1542 I am intrigued. Are playing both sides? Are you talking about essential life saving trans-affirming surgery as "elective" or essential? The removal of breast tissue for a 14 year old is framed as essential, otherwise how else could one rationalize doing it? Be that as it may, I saw recent "research" from MacKinnon et al that attempts to frame those who "de-transition" after surgical interventions as "feeling" they recieved a positive outcome (benefit) from their transition experience. This really sounds more like an individual in denial, or suffering a serious mental condition. Someone trying to rationalize damage which an individual may have unfortunately brought about on themself. In the end, its hard to get people to respond to surveys that have felt harmed, anonymously or otherwise. I am sure all these people would tell you it was great for them, well right up to the day before it stopped being great and they chose another way to end their suffering: Henry Berg-Brousseau, Kayleigh Scott, Vanessa Vincenzo Barrett, Yaeli Martinez, Pina Newman, Xavier Raddysh. There is a long list of individuals that have chosen to signal their regret in an alternative manner to a survey. They also tend to have the lowest response rate to such a survey.
@@boringstuff1542 anonymous surveys aren't data points. They are barely surveys. Without proper studies it's impossible to know the number detransitioners. They're not even going back to their doctors to tell them because those are the people that betrayed them. There is a growing number ready to speak out and we're going to see a hell of a lot more in the coming years. Familiarise yourself with the labotomy medical scandal, we're living through another version and it's destroying young lives
@@markrussell3428 Surveys that were done 5 years after the surgery took place anonymously. I was saying that there were examples of both non essential and essential surgeries that had higher rates of regret then trans surgeries. I said in my previous post "The regret rate for trans surgery is less then most other elective AND essential surgeries." So no I'm not "playing both sides" you just need to concentrate more. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. When asked why these trans people regretted taking the surgery 90% said it was because of the way society treated them ie it's not because they were stupid and misguided. So if you exclude all the people who regret taking the surgery because of people like you abusing them trans surgery regret rates are even smaller then the regret rates of laser eye surgery.
The hubris of these affirmative care zealots is beyond comprehension
It's a pity Dr Levine did not have more time to expand on his very well-made points. The lie about explorative and supportive psychotherapy being conversion therapy is particularly troubling as it blocks a pathway for dysphoria youth to learn how to live healthily with their dysphoria rather than going down the medical route with all its harms.
Both ways have risks. Thoughts can lead to negative outcomes if unguided.
If hrt is banned, it should be banned across the board. For everyone. Which means my mother would go without hormones since she got a double hysterectomy. Bring on the hot flashes! We need to make the population at large feel more comfortable! Sorry mom!
@@majorlycunningham5439 Why should it be banned across the board? HRT is for treating a specific hormonal deficiency in a targeted way with that specific hormone that is accepted by the female body by design. Many women *will* suffer without it - psychotherapy or radical self-acceptance won't cure it. Treating an emotional/psychiatric condition with varying social causes and no 'lack of oestrogen' is off-label use. Men have no equivalent need for oestrogen in order to function. There are many other options for gender dysphoria where there aren't for the debilitating effects of menopause. What you're suggesting is a bit like saying "well if we can't have what we want, you can't get what you need, nyerh!" Womens' genuine need far outstrips the desires of a few men with an intractable psychological condition.
@@sandy_of_jox HRT is poison period. Don’t try to tell me otherwise. People have died from it. Do their deaths mean nothing to you?
An important extension of point 7 is that, because gender affirming care doesn't work for everyone, working towards additional treatments is necessary in good medical practice and isn't transphobia.
Yes, all options should be on the table. BUT the outright banning of affirming care is questionable and should be circumspect.
@@majorlycunningham5439it should be limited the way countries like Norway have begun limiting it. They have been doing it the longest and have the data that shows most teens should not get puberty blockers. Most. Instead of the California model of automatically agreeing with the child's self assessment and starting them immediately.
@@MilwaukeeWoman You have to prove that the regret rate for taking puberty blockers as a teen is significant.
Thank you very much for contrasting with data and consistency against fanaticism, ignorance with a manipulation.
I hope all the trans care providers get sued !!!
WHO, I ask, will be replacing such sober minds, as that of Dr. Stephen Levine, in the next generation of our medical field(s)?
So thankful for him doing this and this channel showing it to us..
A truly brave warrior of a man.
Excellent! Thank you for posting this.
Harry Benjamin had stricter guidelines. Ken Zucker said 80% of kids showing gender dysphoria will live adult lives in their natal gender and I think that number is even higher. Transition is only for those who are consistent, insistent, and persistent and live as the other gender first. Way too many kids and adults are being diagnosed and rushed off to treatment with a two-page informed consent waiver. Other psychological issues are never addressed because it is now not required and when it is in some places the therapist has to affirm your beliefs by law. This sort of reminds me of multiple personality disorder where the public was enthralled by it and then 20 years later, psychologists back peddled. The same might be true for the autism diagnosis but there's a degree of nuance and evaluation in order to come to those conclusions. We are not seeing it with the transgender phenomenon/push.
Harry Benjamin the man was a charlatan who believed that turtle juice could cure tuberculosis. Any "guideline" is merely a way for doctors to select people whom they think they will be able to get away with experimenting on. none of it is healthcare; all of it stems from the sick whims of psychopaths wanting to change the sex of individuals.
Why not just call them LIES?
According to transgender ideology, it's transphobic to call their lies lies.
Wow! Thanks for speaking the truth!
This is a great information, thanks for standing up to what is true
Thanks doctor.
Thank you 💛
Take the MONEY out of it and see where it goes.
Transhumanism.
Fecking Florida.
Writing as an 79 year old MtF, having had SRS in 2004 at the age of 60 At that time I had worked in commerce & industry for 44 years since leaving school at the age of 16. I consider that I made the correct & ONLY decision to transition & undergo surgery. Given the same situation again I would make the same decision today without question. Having said that I do consider someone aged 16 far too young to understand themselves or the world around them & basically they need to speak to us older trans people to find context.
no surgeon in the entire world will give a person under the age of 18 gender affirming surgery. this is bait
The experience would inform them of some of the realities. Eg if they're looking for external validation perhaps it's not for them. If it's related to a deep seated discomfort with their anatomy, which doesn't stem from external projections about what people think of them (gender), then maybe it could provide some therapeutic effect
and i'm guessing you routinely violate the boundaries of women by invading their spaces.
"right decision".
society doesn't need to speak to you older autogynephiles who squandered medical resources, society needs to constantly remind you that you're men and not indulge your paraphilias nor ascribe any religious significance to your body modifications.
@@toddgack1287 you realize hating trans people is a psyop by the deep state and the biden administration to keep True American Patriots from paying attention to all the money Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Tech are making off of the Ukraine Crisis? Have you ever met a trans person in real life? they're actually pretty normal and respectable people, not like the caricatures the Fake News wants you to think they are.
But you have not change sex. You must acknowledge that you cannot change sex, just as rivers do not flow up mountains and gravity does not cause the repulsion of objects. As long as you use the correct spaces (physical and social) for your male sex then of course you are free to declare a female "gender". The word woman is taken: it is taken by XX females (usual case).
I putting this qustion out to someone thats a professional clinical psychologist or psychiatrist that deals with gender assessment and autism.
Is there something anywhere in the ICD11 or the DSM5 to do gender assessments as part of an autism assessment?
Childen or adults .
I have an assessment done in 2016 and i got gender assessed even though i was not looking for a gender assessments and clinically they stole my sis gender off me that im perfectly fine with.
This has increasingly bothered me more and more as the gender question comes up on every form these days and frankly i dont believe its of anyones right to have you affirm your gender pronouns if not nessersery and only usefull if your wanting accomidations for gender dysphia but then dose that become a mental health question in the gues of asking what is your assigned sex is ?
Where dose this end ?
Do we have a right to not be gendered by others as it feels a bit unethical that i had someone impose their gender ideals on me , now on my medical records when i dont identify as anything more than the sis feamale i was born as.
Are they saying im wrong.
Very confused to what that actually means to do this?
I am autistic and I feel the way you feel, I don't care about gender identity. I think in their minds they have noticed that autistic people have 11 times more chances of not conforming to or understanding gender roles.
I think that what's happening is they are being told that the way to treat gender nonconformity is by doing a gender evaluation and then maybe affirmation therapy.
This sounds weird to me because I don't think not conforming to gender expectations means anything other than you are you, and that's fine. But I THINK that's where that comes from.
The reason I think this is because I saw a video a psychiatrist made the other day where he suggested that people diagnosed autistic should also undergo a gender identity evaluation, because of the 11x thing.
This is th video I'm talking about:
ruclips.net/video/I6MWY6wnpxk/видео.html
@@superespiritual1553 i was a teen in the mid 80s and earliy 90s when if you where a girl doing a trade, you where about quality and feminism yet not even your sexualtiy was questioned we where expected to do trads classes ( sheet metal, machining workshop , woodwork and general mechanics) on top i did drafting in techincal desing separate from art and all where part of our school criciulm and you had no choice in this just as much as the boys did textiles ( sewing) and home economics (cooking) .
Tell me that my education pushed gender norms and the school uniform was not a girls uni for and a boys uni form.
It was gray pants with a choice of 2 diffent jumpers of either the gray woll v neck or blue wind cheatet, white shirt ,a blue kilt and or blue or gray tights or socks ,blue summer dress , a blazer, blue tie and black leather shoes and if a boy showed up in the kilt , he technically was in uniform, this happened and he was right as there was no genders applied to either item of clothing and he was the dude for sticking it up the school.
But i was assessed in 2016 and healthy gamer is saying this is a new study, yes we knew that there was a slice of the LBGTQI+ community ,not just gender identity issuse back in 2016 and i use to watch his stuff but he has had some screwed up ideas about adhd and asd so i stopped watching him .
He uses futioning lables and problematic launguage as in even in this , he call Autisum an illnesses and dosent even mention" Neurodiversity ".
My assessment was way befor the study in 2022 he is talking about .
So are we back to the 1950s with gender norms becaues women where lumber jacks and built boat in the 1940s for the war effort but fragile male egos did not their wives being the bread winners when they returned back from war so women where pushed back in to the homes to be weak fading fem fatals .
So whos gender norms are we talking about all this stuff happened to NTs too.
The only gender norm that i may upset us a male , that never learnt to man that is world be a case of toxic masculinity calling the shots there..
Heck , my skin tone and pink are not friends, i live rural so powder and pearls are not appropriate for daily wear chasing cows and ive always been a non apologetic strong independent woman that chooses to be with a man because i sure dont need 1 to support me or protect me and i can change a tyer and open a jam jar ok enough on my own .. lol
This would not have been seen as unusual back befor mobile phones because prince charming was not coming on his white stead if you got a flat out on some bush track in the middle of the never never.
Girls knew how to chang a tyer back then or they did not get home that day!
Should we wear mascara to feed the chooks?
Im not no binery, there is no room for frills and lipstick in my day to day and i wear work wear because its safty equipment...
But aparently im pan gender, not pan sexual.
Whats that suposed to mean that all and nothing at the same time including trans.
What a load of shit , im just not a woman and mother thats going to cry if i brake a nail.
@@superespiritual1553 i will say the clinical psychologist that specilized in women and non binery folk on the spectum that did my assessment was a sis fem when i first met them and now full op trans male and use to conduct gay conversion therapy treatments back in the day conected to a church.... thats a flip on their ethics but they where the only women on the spectrum CP in the region.
May be the church of trans at work here?
I seen them because im a female, not because i belived i was gender non conforming as gender non conforming can be as stupid as having short hair and the last thing i needed was for someone to say i dont even know who i am enough to know if im ok with my girl bits .
Actully ive not even got body shame issues. Its actully preety dam good for a woman my age and has always been fit and genetically on the thin side with BOOBS lol , whats to compare my thoughts about if im in the right body ?
My body rocks but aparently that psychologist did not want to hear i dont even have body dysmophia, no history of eatting disorders let alone gender disphoia?
I just dont mind getting drity for a living and carring on the family bussisness as this is the only life i know.
Not much mention of research, all opinion.
upsetting to see such a focus on anti-trans propaganda on this page. these are so simple to dispute. For example, "gender dysphoria starts with an attraction to same sex" I am a trans man, I am gay. I like other men.
I’m not an expert here, but regardless of the topic, this seems to be little more than flimsy cherry-picking of evidence (and an “expert”) to support a pre-determined goal or POV. Very weak.
Each of the things listed here has the burden of proof to establish they are true in the first place. Levines point is that none of these things have satisfied the burden of proof to hold them as true.
If you disagree with that point, then pointing out some place where the burden of proof has been satisfied would be an good rebuttal.
So what wouldn't be cherry-picking in your mind? Would it be picking the doctors who specialize in providing "affirming" care? Or picking researchers who contributed to the WPATH guidelines?
Should we only consider the opinions of those who practice blood-letting to speak to it's efficacy? What about lobotomies?
Maybe read up on who Dr. Stephen Levine is. He has been working in this area since the late 60’s so yeah he is an expert unlike me or you. People with anorexia’s subjective experience is not congruent with reality, we do not encourage them in harming themselves. The declassification of specific mental disorders is doing a huge disservice to vulnerable people.
@@sof553 the fact that he has been working on this area since the 60s is more reason to view his opinions with suspicion. He is clinging to a few discarded perceptions just like the few opponents of conversion therapy and climate change deniers. People that desire to believe his views will believe him no matter what all the other experts and evidence say.
@@phillycheesetake We should put more trust in the 99 that have pursued data into the present than the 1 who clings to 50 year old paradigms-even when the 50 year old paradigms make us feel good about our own opinions.
If all this gender dysphoria is false, then how do you explain the 40% of trans identify youth who attempt suicide ? Answer that one, Mr. Smarty Pants.🤪
Correlation without causation. People with mental illness likely to make them suicidal are overrepresented in people who fall for trans identity as a « solution ». Doesn’t mean affirmative care in the solution. Are my pants smart enough for you?
Cornell University has a wonderful page that has compiled research from across the world. "What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being?"