I love this channel. They are not afraid to talk about some critical issues wich some muslims have made taboo to talk about. That's the good way of doing. That's how you clean all the doubts out of the minds of the believers. May Allah bless you for this work and grant you Paradise. Congratulations to Dr Shabir Ally who did a wonderful job during his debate with Dr Nabeel Quraishi.
@Jonathan Campbell You mean ignoring reality. Obvious facts and logic should leave you with many questions after this, if you really payed attention. Seems like Rationality is a misunderstood word when individual minds choose to not think more on matters they realy should.
I am on my journey to Islam and find this channel most helpful. I only wish that the questions I sent in would warrant a response as they are critical to my being ready to make my Shahaada... Great job and most helpful in any case.
Martin lings took a lot of parts out... The violent parts....and the worst part is that he admitted this. Why don't you go to the original one? Sirat rasul allah by ibn ishaq? He is the earliest
I don't understand as a Muslim, that why the so called religious scholars like Shabbir Allay and many more who debates with Christian evngalist try proof that they love Jesus and he is one of the mightiest messanger of God and so on, but when you hear them talking they would claim Prophet Muhammad is the greatest from all other prophets, where as on stage with Christian evangelist they will make every effort to convince the Christian audians that we love Jesus above all It seems like they just pretend that they love Jesus or other prophets of the Quran but in reality they consider them a inferior than prophet Muhammad. This seems like hipocresy. The Quran says not to differentiate among the prophets. Shabbir in this conversation says that we don't have more information about other prophets. But when we study Quran we have detailed information about other prophets in the Quran. They believe in the Hadith literature which they consider equally Devine like the Quran, which is infact collected and written 250+ years after the death of prophet Muhammad. How can that be reliable? In today's world with lots of media and video camera even a live video could be forged but they claim that all the hear say (Hadith) was just preserved without any change. It's Amazing.
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat God bless you ... are you sure: [...] By Allah, whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them they would carry his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; [...] *Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3, Book 50, Hadith 891* Even a Jew had to correct your Prophet: "You are setting up rivals (to Allah) and associating others (with Him). You say: 'Whatever Allah wills and you will,' and you say: 'By the Ka'bah.'" So the Prophet commanded them, if they wanted to swear an oath, to say: "By the Lord of the Ka'bah;" and to say: "Whatever Allah wills, then what you will." *Sunan an-Nasa'i 3773* what about the drinking of his Urine? Who of us is claiming with no proof that Muhammad never had something against Dogs? Especially black dogs? And that he wanted to kill all dogs if they weren't a species? Oh yeah I saw you yawning: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." *Sahih al-Bukhari 3289*
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat Oh wow. At least you think about it and don't accept everything blindly. Can I ask you 3 Questions? I'm interested in your opinion and not those of Tafsir and Hadith.
On sources other then Quran there is lots of information about our prophet that is really full of nonsense! On siyer books he is almost described as an uber human from birth that can't do anything wrong and have all kinds of miracles! Allah says he is the perfect example for us, but most book portrait him as someone that taking him as an example is almost to far fetched. Unfortunately this is mostly done by deviated different groups and sects where he is literally portrait as a little god! I know groups over here who call themselves "ehlisunnah" with over 100.000 followers were their leaders literally says "Allah and resulallah are one"! These are people that read Quran all day but never with understanding so they fall in all kind of traps! Most of what this kind of groups learn is mostly made up stories But they also take tell stories that are in hadiths what is so called "sahih" Like sahabes that drink the urine and blood of our prophet and because of this they were guaranteed jannah! This is just one example but you can get an idea where it goes to!
***** obeying the rasul is obeying Allah. nowhere in the quran Allah says "obey Muhammed" or "obey the nebî" It's alwasy "obey the rasul"! Allah's rasul is the one that convey the message to the people 100% like it's send down to him with cibreel a.s so obeying the rasul is obeying Allah.
***** I don't agree with you and it's definitely a huge misconception that bukhari ans Muslim are 99.99% Correct. They both contains so much hadiths that goes against the Quran. We we're all fed up that these books are sahih,but after reading the Quran everyone can easily see that this isn't the case at all! To say that those books are 99.99 correct that would make them almost equal as the Quran which is shirk. People like to idolize people like they are a kind of god it happend before and the same is the case with us Muslims unfortunately!
Do you guys seriously think it's morally right and want to marry a child or wage war against unbelievers who choose not to believe? Should you emulate this prophet and marry 18 wives?
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat be honest with yourself please even the Islamic websites show from the hadiths that Aisha was 9 years old. And to be more accurate Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines however if you actually read the Bible for yourself, the Bible condemns Solomon for that. Unlike some guy who had a lust problem and claimed to be a man of God.
Yes, prophet Mohamed's biography/ biographies can be considered reliable in the following two ways: Whenever these stories agree with the concept of 'shame', that is, every instance something considered shameful by our current standards is stated in these biographies, chances are very high that it was true. History is written by the victors, not the victims. If it has persisted to today, then whatever has been written is what the victors considered as the correct information regarding their hero. On the other hand, anything considered an embellishment/ exaggeration by our current standards, is very likely false....for the same reason as above, i.e. victors are prone to exaggerating the good qualities of their heroes.
Sorry, but Ibn Ishaq's work is not reliable at all. He worked for the Abbassid Caliphate. He had Shi'a views. He was also criticised by Maliki scholars. His original work did not survive at all. His students' work did not survive at all. We don't have Ibn Ishaq's work, but only a narration of it: Ibn Ishaq - Al Bakkai - Ibn Hisham
1. Has no evidence Allah's real 2. Has no evidence Mo was real 3. Has no evidence Quran's the word of Allah Discusses the reliability of Mo's biography. It's not any different from discussing the biography of Kal-El a.k.a. Superman.
Roger moore, you; 1. Have no knowlege of islam. 2. Hate it blindly to the point that you cannot even seek to read from primary sources, about it. 3. Believe every word and idea written by other bigots unquestioningly. Then believe in your own bigoted ideas, as the truth so much that you have the audacity to put forward a bigoted opinion up as the gospel truth. Its not any different than discussing any other bigot in the world. The thing you need is called 'sincerity'. Seek for the truth sincerely without being a bigot.
Roger, u can believe if u want to believe...otherwise it is up to u ! Pls listen to 'Gary Wills and Quran'..he is a kristian pastor who speak abt Allah, Muhammad PBUH & Quran
it does not matter whether the biography is (by standards of science or without them) reliable. what matters is your attitude to it. the fact that muslims worship such A vicked person as deliverer of divine words is shocking.
Why not. He has the quality of moses, david, solomon. The king, the general. He got the job done. 23 years, all of idolatry wiped out. He crush the idols with his own hands. Few decades after his death, all of arabia united under his banner. Just be honest, if he worked for catholicism, all christians would've called him St. Muhammadino.
It was not written down by his followers. Thats the main problem with Islam. There are more than enough proof that the written text was written from 745 to 923. And what they decide to write has been "carried" from mouth to mouth multiple times and over large distances. there is 0 logic in claiming that this is the word of Muhammad. The muslim Scholars are trying to ignore this or are directly trying to falsify it. The Christianity has a somewhat similar problem, but in a much lesser degree, I am thinking about the written texts made by Constantine and his clerks/priests who wrote the start of the bible. There are historical signs that a lot got left out, wich means it is not really complete and may have fitted an agenda. You might claim his intentions where good, but if you change something that are supposed to be holy you also corrupt it. There is no way around that fact. That even more so goes for Quran and any Islam text. Also regarding Islam it is a interesting fun fact that the word Muslim did not exist in any Arab text before 691. There is not a single reference to Mecca before 741. We are not then talking about the text that make up Islam, but all Arab text. Problematic? Very much so! Muhammad is supposed to have his Meccan revelations from 610-622. So everything they base Islam on is a latter fabrication that started almost 200 years later and evolved over another hundred years.
I think we should suspect any religion that demands an honorific like 'peace be upon him' every time the religious leader's name is mentioned. The only way this silliness can make any sense is in the context of the name being expressed in a contemptible manner. This could have been a big problem in the time of the prophet because so many people held the religion is very low regard. Nowadays, at least in Western society, people focus on the beliefs of Islam so why not drop the monotonous repetition?
So you have a problem with Muslims saying “peace be upon him” after the prophet’s name? Why’s that a problem? There’s really no problem with showing respect to someone who you look up to.
@@Sleepy_asfff If the prophet is in heaven, it makes little sense to wish him peace. But the silliness becomes very apparent when the prophet's name comes up several times in a sentence and the same honorific must (and I mean must) be repeated every time.
@55555 You should read this article (actually contains references). Regarding Ibn Ishaq. islamiat101.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-authentic-is-work-of-ibn-ishaq.html?m=1
@55555 It's not about throwing anyone under the bus...it's about, are they authentic primary/secondary sources? The answer in Ibn Ishaq's case is simply no... Non-muslims assume that we just pick and choose what we want to believe, absolutely not. There's some pretty cool Hadith that's classified as fabricated, because it simply is e.g "Aquire wisdom even if it's in China (that far)". Also perhaps it's implied by some Muslims? But the Hadith is not equated to the Quran in Divinity. Unfortunately there's loads of fabrications that made it as authentic in the Hadith simply because Sultans/kings etc. Wanted to pass a law. This is pretty controversial but here's an example..in the Quran there is absolutely nothing about killing an Apostate and that God will deal with him...But guess what? The Hadith, has that you give the individual three days to repent otherwise he's executed (if remains adamant). Again another contradiction with the Quran, the Quran clearly states "There is no compulsion in Reilgion" then what the Hell is that about?
I love this channel. They are not afraid to talk about some critical issues wich some muslims have made taboo to talk about. That's the good way of doing. That's how you clean all the doubts out of the minds of the believers.
May Allah bless you for this work and grant you Paradise. Congratulations to Dr Shabir Ally who did a wonderful job during his debate with Dr Nabeel Quraishi.
Theslave du Puissant Respect to Dr. Shabir Ally, and salams. He is one of the very few who puts intellect before the bandwagon.
Fauzer Uvais Dr Shabir Ally is a real muslim hero.
@Jonathan Campbell You mean ignoring reality. Obvious facts and logic should leave you with many questions after this, if you really payed attention. Seems like Rationality is a misunderstood word when individual minds choose to not think more on matters they realy should.
I am on my journey to Islam and find this channel most helpful. I only wish that the questions I sent in would warrant a response as they are critical to my being ready to make my Shahaada... Great job and most helpful in any case.
Read "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources" by Martin Lings.
Hello, what are your questions, if I may ask?
Only a dumbfck and violence loving person would pave their way towards Islam
Martin lings took a lot of parts out... The violent parts....and the worst part is that he admitted this. Why don't you go to the original one? Sirat rasul allah by ibn ishaq? He is the earliest
I don't understand as a Muslim, that why the so called religious scholars like Shabbir Allay and many more who debates with Christian evngalist try proof that they love Jesus and he is one of the mightiest messanger of God and so on, but when you hear them talking they would claim Prophet Muhammad is the greatest from all other prophets, where as on stage with Christian evangelist they will make every effort to convince the Christian audians that we love Jesus above all It seems like they just pretend that they love Jesus or other prophets of the Quran but in reality they consider them a inferior than prophet Muhammad. This seems like hipocresy. The Quran says not to differentiate among the prophets. Shabbir in this conversation says that we don't have more information about other prophets. But when we study Quran we have detailed information about other prophets in the Quran. They believe in the Hadith literature which they consider equally Devine like the Quran, which is infact collected and written 250+ years after the death of prophet Muhammad. How can that be reliable? In today's world with lots of media and video camera even a live video could be forged but they claim that all the hear say (Hadith) was just preserved without any change. It's Amazing.
Taqqiya my friend. They "Whoreship" Muhammad and don't see it.
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat God bless you ... are you sure:
[...] By Allah, whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) spat, the spittle would fall in the hand of one of them (i.e. the Prophet's companions) who would rub it on his face and skin; if he ordered them they would carry his orders immediately; if he performed ablution, they would struggle to take the remaining water; [...] *Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3, Book 50, Hadith 891*
Even a Jew had to correct your Prophet:
"You are setting up rivals (to Allah) and associating others (with Him). You say: 'Whatever Allah wills and you will,' and you say: 'By the Ka'bah.'" So the Prophet commanded them, if they wanted to swear an oath, to say: "By the Lord of the Ka'bah;" and to say: "Whatever Allah wills, then what you will." *Sunan an-Nasa'i 3773*
what about the drinking of his Urine?
Who of us is claiming with no proof that Muhammad never had something against Dogs? Especially black dogs?
And that he wanted to kill all dogs if they weren't a species?
Oh yeah I saw you yawning:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him."
*Sahih al-Bukhari 3289*
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat Oh wow.
At least you think about it and don't accept everything blindly. Can I ask you 3 Questions?
I'm interested in your opinion and not those of Tafsir and Hadith.
@@ChristianPrinceTeaches You are a Muslim too, who is practicing Taqiyah to fool innocent Christians and making money out of it.
@@ChristianPrinceTeaches 1 - When did I say that you are 'CP'?
2 - You mean Osama bin Laden wasn't a Muslim?
3 - Love of God or Love of Jesus Christ?
What about just learning Prophet's life from the Quran? can't go wrong!
On sources other then Quran there is lots of information about our prophet that is really full of nonsense!
On siyer books he is almost described as an uber human from birth that can't do anything wrong and have all kinds of miracles!
Allah says he is the perfect example for us, but most book portrait him as someone that taking him as an example is almost to far fetched.
Unfortunately this is mostly done by deviated different groups and sects
where he is literally portrait as a little god!
I know groups over here who call themselves "ehlisunnah" with over 100.000 followers were their leaders literally says "Allah and resulallah are one"!
These are people that read Quran all day but never with understanding
so they fall in all kind of traps!
Most of what this kind of groups learn is mostly made up stories
But they also take tell stories that are in hadiths what is so called "sahih"
Like sahabes that drink the urine and blood of our prophet and because of this they were guaranteed jannah!
This is just one example but you can get an idea where it goes to!
***** obeying the rasul is obeying Allah.
nowhere in the quran Allah says "obey Muhammed" or "obey the nebî"
It's alwasy "obey the rasul"!
Allah's rasul is the one that convey the message to the people 100% like it's send down to him with cibreel a.s so obeying the rasul is obeying Allah.
Read the Hashr 7 completely and not just one line and you wil see that it talks about totally different.
*****
I don't agree with you and it's definitely a huge misconception that bukhari ans Muslim are 99.99%
Correct.
They both contains so much hadiths that goes against the Quran.
We we're all fed up that these books are sahih,but after reading the Quran everyone can easily see that this isn't the case at all!
To say that those books are 99.99 correct that would make them almost equal as the Quran which is shirk.
People like to idolize people like they are a kind of god it happend before and the same is the case with us Muslims unfortunately!
Maca Roni have u give a hadith in bokhari or muslim that goes EXPLICITLY against the Quran please?
Do you guys seriously think it's morally right and want to marry a child or wage war against unbelievers who choose not to believe? Should you emulate this prophet and marry 18 wives?
18 wives ?
@@AhmadO5k sorry...I got it wrong. he was more righteous than that. He only had 13 wives not 18.
@Inspired by Sheikh Ahmed Deedat be honest with yourself please even the Islamic websites show from the hadiths that Aisha was 9 years old.
And to be more accurate Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines however if you actually read the Bible for yourself, the Bible condemns Solomon for that. Unlike some guy who had a lust problem and claimed to be a man of God.
@@wahlao81 What have 13 wives in lifetime to do with Quran is Word of God ?
@@SchuelerCool I don't know how to help you bro. A Holy God will not send a lust filled pervert as his messenger.
Dr Ali has explained it in a fair manor. He didn't try the standard apologetical approach where what I say has 100% proof and what you say 0%.
Thank you for saying the truth about forged Biography of Mohammad
Yes, prophet Mohamed's biography/ biographies can be considered reliable in the following two ways:
Whenever these stories agree with the concept of 'shame', that is, every instance something considered shameful by our current standards is stated in these biographies, chances are very high that it was true. History is written by the victors, not the victims. If it has persisted to today, then whatever has been written is what the victors considered as the correct information regarding their hero.
On the other hand, anything considered an embellishment/ exaggeration by our current standards, is very likely false....for the same reason as above, i.e. victors are prone to exaggerating the good qualities of their heroes.
What a great and so truthful and objective methodology!
Thank you!
Sorry, but Ibn Ishaq's work is not reliable at all.
He worked for the Abbassid Caliphate.
He had Shi'a views.
He was also criticised by Maliki scholars.
His original work did not survive at all.
His students' work did not survive at all.
We don't have Ibn Ishaq's work, but only a narration of it: Ibn Ishaq - Al Bakkai - Ibn Hisham
@@sal_strazzullo ibn ishaq survived ibn Hisham had a summarized seerah of ibn ishaq.
@@sal_strazzullo ibn ishaqs book didn't survive but ibn Hisham summarized it.
1. Has no evidence Allah's real
2. Has no evidence Mo was real
3. Has no evidence Quran's the word of Allah
Discusses the reliability of Mo's biography.
It's not any different from discussing the biography of Kal-El a.k.a. Superman.
Roger moore, you;
1. Have no knowlege of islam.
2. Hate it blindly to the point that you cannot even seek to read from primary sources, about it.
3. Believe every word and idea written by other bigots unquestioningly.
Then believe in your own bigoted ideas, as the truth so much that you have the audacity to put forward a bigoted opinion up as the gospel truth.
Its not any different than discussing any other bigot in the world.
The thing you need is called 'sincerity'. Seek for the truth sincerely without being a bigot.
Roger, u can believe if u want to believe...otherwise it is up to u ! Pls listen to 'Gary Wills and Quran'..he is a kristian pastor who speak abt Allah, Muhammad PBUH & Quran
it does not matter whether the biography is (by standards of science or without them) reliable. what matters is your attitude to it. the fact that muslims worship such A vicked person as deliverer of divine words is shocking.
Why not. He has the quality of moses, david, solomon. The king, the general. He got the job done. 23 years, all of idolatry wiped out. He crush the idols with his own hands. Few decades after his death, all of arabia united under his banner. Just be honest, if he worked for catholicism, all christians would've called him St. Muhammadino.
Well, satan wanted the full attention too. You don't see satan wanting to share the glory with anyone
If 2000 years from now world starts again and they find harry potters books, they will say he was a prophet
It was not written down by his followers. Thats the main problem with Islam. There are more than enough proof that the written text was written from 745 to 923. And what they decide to write has been "carried" from mouth to mouth multiple times and over large distances. there is 0 logic in claiming that this is the word of Muhammad. The muslim Scholars are trying to ignore this or are directly trying to falsify it.
The Christianity has a somewhat similar problem, but in a much lesser degree, I am thinking about the written texts made by Constantine and his clerks/priests who wrote the start of the bible. There are historical signs that a lot got left out, wich means it is not really complete and may have fitted an agenda. You might claim his intentions where good, but if you change something that are supposed to be holy you also corrupt it. There is no way around that fact. That even more so goes for Quran and any Islam text.
Also regarding Islam it is a interesting fun fact that the word Muslim did not exist in any Arab text before 691. There is not a single reference to Mecca before 741. We are not then talking about the text that make up Islam, but all Arab text. Problematic? Very much so! Muhammad is supposed to have his Meccan revelations from 610-622. So everything they base Islam on is a latter fabrication that started almost 200 years later and evolved over another hundred years.
I think we should suspect any religion that demands an honorific like 'peace be upon him' every time the religious leader's name is mentioned. The only way this silliness can make any sense is in the context of the name being expressed in a contemptible manner. This could have been a big problem in the time of the prophet because so many people held the religion is very low regard. Nowadays, at least in Western society, people focus on the beliefs of Islam so why not drop the monotonous repetition?
So you have a problem with Muslims saying “peace be upon him” after the prophet’s name? Why’s that a problem? There’s really no problem with showing respect to someone who you look up to.
@@Sleepy_asfff If the prophet is in heaven, it makes little sense to wish him peace. But the silliness becomes very apparent when the prophet's name comes up several times in a sentence and the same honorific must (and I mean must) be repeated every time.
@@brendantannam499 So it’s not ok to give respects on his name?
@@Sleepy_asfff It has become ridiculously overdone.
@@brendantannam499 If you don’t like it then just shut up. We aren’t gonna stop saying that so deal with it.
SO IS IT RELIABLE? YES OR NO
Gusti Doru No obviously.
according to Dr. Shabir Ally even Sahih Hadith aren't reliable.
He forgot that Quran is also a weaker Hadith.
@55555 No Bro that's not how it works.
@55555 You should read this article (actually contains references). Regarding Ibn Ishaq.
islamiat101.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-authentic-is-work-of-ibn-ishaq.html?m=1
@55555 It's not about throwing anyone under the bus...it's about, are they authentic primary/secondary sources? The answer in Ibn Ishaq's case is simply no...
Non-muslims assume that we just pick and choose what we want to believe, absolutely not. There's some pretty cool Hadith that's classified as fabricated, because it simply is e.g "Aquire wisdom even if it's in China (that far)".
Also perhaps it's implied by some Muslims? But the Hadith is not equated to the Quran in Divinity.
Unfortunately there's loads of fabrications that made it as authentic in the Hadith simply because Sultans/kings etc. Wanted to pass a law.
This is pretty controversial but here's an example..in the Quran there is absolutely nothing about killing an Apostate and that God will deal with him...But guess what? The Hadith, has that you give the individual three days to repent otherwise he's executed (if remains adamant). Again another contradiction with the Quran, the Quran clearly states "There is no compulsion in Reilgion" then what the Hell is that about?