I want to ask something here. Are there any demands on a mod that adds the new stunt jumps and QoLs from the Tightened mods (infinite sprint, phone call skipping, etc.) but keeps the mission untouched?
@@9zard Wasn't a video, it was on twitter AonGamer was also pissed at Vadim M and was trying to shift the blame onto Vadim saying how he's this bad guy taking down a video for no reason, despite the fact that Aon literally used his footage, couldn't admit that it's not his, tried to paint Vadim M as a bad person and hell, he even said that Vadim stole his video which literally makes no sense as Vadim's video was uploaded years prior lol
Thanks for covering this subject, Ben. I'm the dev of TTDISA, one of the mods that Aon is selling on his patreon without permission. I'm not really bothered by it, I just think it's kind of funny. But that California wildfires dono though, yikes.
I know this cause i had Theo showed up on old streams of me many times! Also guys notice how this guy wants 30$ for every single project. What a damn scam. Lol wtf. What a clown. And a damn scammer with the wildfires. This is like one of those luke warm persons wanting to help anyone and also at the same time earn from them, and at the same time steal from Theo's mod "TDDISA" which is btw an amazing mod!
Really glad you're making light of this situation. Unfortunately it is very common in modding communities, but it is very rampant in GTA modding. I hope this will inspire modders to be more creative, and create more assets on their own, or atleast get proper permission from the authors they take assets from.
This is a direct result of Rockstar's persecution of the modding scene. In games where modding is legitimized and modders aren't met with contempt, things like this are rare because 1. modders don't see each other as "underground" and generally have more respect for rules 2. the game devs often police such situations (as opposed to policing the very existence of the modding community).
An issue with the asset stealing is that the average player will not care about it. And hell, sometimes they will do that even if they had been informed about it. This is why, the community needs to get more vocal about this. Bad actors need to be called out and confronted.
Asset stealing and monetizing it is rampant in GTA multiplayer. FiveM and MTA servers got tons of mods used on them (without permission ofc because why not) or assets stolen from someone else and then the servers are monetized.
Last dude is so sick. He broke one of 10 commandments (it's 7th I think - You shall not steal) and at the same time was asking for money to churches for "people of California" wildfire attacks
It’s likely one of the thousands of dudes from India/East Asia running a scam. They’re not actually Christian, that’s just to help ingratiate themselves with naive westerners. The 😇 emoji is a dead giveaway if you’ve dealt with them before.
Great video Ben! More scripted stuff like this would be great! Just some babbling from me... While a lot of these overhaul mods can be good for some users, I do have a problem with a lot of them, both for stolen work and just as a headache for mod authors (Tightened Vice seems like an exception). Mods like Vice City Extended Features or whatever contain so many mods which they don't credit the authors for, I just checked to be sure. DK22Pac created the mipmap plugin included in the mod, he's not credited. ThirteenAG created Widescreen Fix, he's not credited. ThirteenAG and myself created Project 2DFX, we're not credited. ThirteenAG and many others created Open Limit Adjuster, no credits. aap created SkyGFX and Portable GTA, he's not credited. Link2012 created Modloader, which the mod includes, he's not credited. There's literally so many. And as well as the not crediting authors, the mod is a mess of files (as most overhaul mods are). The other problem with this is, casual users install this overhaul mod, then they think they can use it as a base to install other mods. Except, they don't even know what mods are included with the mod to begin with. So you get casual users installing what is basically a modpack like Vice City Extended Features, they then try to install mods on it that either aren't compatible or they're already apart of the mod (how is a casual user going to know?), and then when something doesn't work, they complain to the developer of said mod that their mod doesn't work, even though it's an issue with the modpack. Packs like these are just an absolute headache for mod creators and honestly, the modding community would be better off overall if people just learned to mod their game correctly themselves and they could pick and choose what to install. Modpacks can be beneficial, some people just want to install something which fixes and improves these older games so they can get the best experience, but unfortunately they can be a headache for the actual creators of mods between being blamed for issues and having your work stolen and possibly butchered in certain cases, and they can be problematic for casual users too, which they're often aimed at. Anyway, Tightened Vice seems like an exception, considering it's aimed more towards speedrunners than anything, but modpacks always have and always will cause issues like you've shown in this video.
@@TJGM definitely agree with this considerating I've shared VCEF on my channel. It's a pain when people try adding more mods on top of the pack, and then it cascades into other issues.
It was/is always a bit of a rock and a hard place for Tightened. As you say, my target audience is speedrunners, which is a bit of a "special case" that realistically means packaging everything into one. While I do make sure to include an extensive list of credits whenever something third party is included, I'm of course not ignorant to the fact many people will not read that file/watch them in-game. It does sometimes cause the flipside of the issue. E.g. players try to install SilentPatch on top of the included version of SilentPatch that's tucked into the "scripts" folder; so it's far from foolproof. I wish I had a better solution though, I'd be all ears if somebody ever came up with one!
I'd like to think that with Extended Features the issue isn't malice but instead ignorance, considering he almost immediately credited DinasourBytes. And you don't see him going around and taking credit for making all of these mods himself.
@@DinosaurBytes What about a exe installer with a cool window with all the credits and even some warning windows that there's already other files installed, like silent patch and some advice for what's recomend?
Situation is situationing. On a serious note, this stuff is unfortunately very common in modding, mega-mods which just combine assets from smaller projects were always a thing and even after being called out authors wouldn't admit it wasn't their original content. It's absolutely idiotic behaviour, they aren't gonna make money off this anyway so why be an asshole and not give credit?
"they aren't gonna make money off this anyway so why be an asshole and not give credit?" Because these days they DO make money for it 🤮 I stopped modding completely because people kept stealing my work and *_selling_* it, this happened over 10 years ago already, since then "paid mods" have only become more common, meanwhile people copy even more work from others (or AAA studios) and the amount of mods "made as a labor of love" are fewer and further between than ever, i can only conclude that "we lost the war" to paid mods, modding scenes everywhere are literally poisoned by younger generations that think they can make a quick buck or start a whole frigging patreon on the basis of copy-pasting some cod weapon into gta, or worse, copy pasting an actual mod made with actual effort, changing 1 texture and then claiming it as their own. These days 'famous modders' all have a patreon where you're pretty much supposed to buy their mods, idk but i never had the idea to modify my favorite games _to make money,_ instead i just wanted _to make more fun,_ but apparently that's not the most common goal of modding anymore today. All of this seems to relate to Steam btw, while Valve sure did take the hint that we don't want paid mods (see the old skyrim drama) its very obvious that publishers have not & younger generations simply dont care what they spend their parents money on 🤷♂ Finally the way Steam workshop is pretty much unmoderated has made it so these kids think anything goes and is fine etc. For anyone having their labor of love stolen, know that if you report it to Valve or Google (wich-ever is more relevant to your case) these parties do care & will take action, but any other company not so much.
>Stealing content >Bad english >Spamming Emojis >Scamming people >Cricket Game Yeah he's 100% from India or Pakistan Update: Just checked his channel and i was right
IIRC, re3 and revc incidents started from reLCS mod (full game, not patch) put into patreon. The name is the same so Rockstar thought it was the same project.
Couldn't be expressed better! 15+ years ago it was also popular for different stores to just sell straight off ripped mods on CDs/DVDs for profit. New era, duh.
yeah, I even warned star & stripes team on one of their videos to avoid posting anything for a while until it all calms down, because we'll never know T2 could've targeting S&S, Tightened, SA Stories, and various other total conversion mods next
So Aon got called out by other devs stealing ideas from other modders, called put by Vadim M for stealing his footage from YT and now getting called out by Ben for potentially using a disaster to pocket money? This is some peak scum behavior
I was searching if someone had completed a PC Port of Vice City Stories not long ago, and found Aon Gamer's channel. As soon as I saw he was telling people to DM him for download links, I smelled something was fishy.
I reported his Patreon and his Paypal for fraud. It's very obvious he's a scammer. No one collecting donations would use Patreon to collect them, nor would they capitalise every word or use that many emoji's.
Freaking unbelievable, all I got was an email saying that they won't do anything if there is no complain from the original mod owners, but even worse, doesn't even address the charity scam issue. 🤦♂
I'm a new dev in the GTA modding scene, but from the short stint I've been here, toxicity, cultism, and downright despicable behaviour seems to be endemic, so I'm not surprised whatsoever by the themes here. Albeit not as severe as conning charities, but we had a well known copycat reupload our mod's introductory video within hours of its release, purely for clout on his own channel.
AonGamer is also lying about the content of his mods (you briefly touched upon that with VCS part in his section), but he's also dm'ing people and straight up telling them he's gonna sell all of those mods and asking you what you want to buy (despite you not even messaging him in the first place), in that section where you're showing his patreon he's selling those beta/alpha mods and saying that they have "all beta missions" which is just BS, and he's also straight up selling TTDISA which is an old free mod He also used to advertise his videos in bunch of random discord servers
a while ago i was enjoying polyvalord's the challenge mod but i found two different crashes that would happen so i commented under the gtaforums thread with instructions on how to reproduce them and the most likely cause and even told them how to fix one of the crashes, but every response i got was needlessly rude even though i was just trying to help them fix the crashes. i'm glad you mentioned their behavior in this video
dude this fool also stole a mod that's been around since 2017 and it's just sad cause also when I confronted him he said "I improve them" spoiler he doesn't touch them except putting them in 1 folder with gta sa
Never sank into this rabbit hole. I am always looking forward to all the GTA Games Multiplayer access and saw reused assets from 1 server to another server! Looking forward for you to cover a very unique server in MTA which combines 2 games
@ihatserbs1771 ChatGPT will not capitalise every single word like that unless it is explicitly told to do so, and it doesn't make the same ESL mistakes as Aon Gamer did in his messages. They're written by him.
As the dev of Story Mode 2.0, i'm completely in shock on that last one, there's people like me who started modding for fun and people like him is using other people's work as a way to scam people, trule disgusting
See also: Paid BeamNG mod with IRL car brand, using 3d model from the Forza. Good thing is, that type of mod is frowned upon on the beamng forum, so it's on modland. The one that's original (OC brand, 3d not stolen) is much more respected and can be seen on the BeamNG forum.
@@aeronyx Except there is. Ryadica was working on a full GTA LCS PC port which was legitimate as he nearly finished it, only some side missions weren't developed. The problem here is that he was basically selling GTA LCS. His final build (98% complete) is probably out there on the internet these days after Rockstar DMCA'd him.
Modding communities in general are unfortunately riddled with bad behavior. I've seen it first hand in games like Sven Co-op, A Hat in Time and Left 4 Dead 2 as well as hearing about it in Super Mario 64 and Sonic Robo Blast 2. There is probably more I've forgotten about but the point is that this is sadly a regular thing. I will say however that modders stealing from charities is definitely a first. I want to give the benefit of the doubt but even if I ignore your arguments, why would someone act as a middleman for charity like this? If it's not an organized event like GDQ or ESA just redirect people to the charity itself. It just feels really shady to me.
listen, while i get the whole "not crediting people for small mods that change a singular thing" because i can guess that some of these have started as personal kitchensink qol modpacks after which the guy kind of goes "hey this is pretty good i think people would like this" and hastily tries to find the authors of whatever he might have installed (it happens), but reselling other people's mods is just straight up copyright infringement, the kind that gets you behind bars in most countries, just as much as stealing from charities does if i'm not mistaken, someone should really look into reporting all of that to his local law enforcement
The GTA Community is just Chaos when Making Mods I Have Been Working for over a Year on A GTA San Andreas Stories Mod (Not the One Done by SAS Squad) And we Had To Stand Another Modder Attacking us for Months Accusing us of not Crediting Developers and Stealing Mods Even though we still not even reached the Beta Stage of the Mod, and we are all in High Pressure to get it done while Knowing we have that Son of a B**** Is Saying we are Stealing God Know's how many Mods Even though we still have to make to Finish Crediting everyone This Goddamn Crap Has Been Affecting My Mind So Bad I Don't Even Know Anymore if I am on the good Side off this "Civil Moding War" Or am I Working with an Actual Mod Stealer is Just so Much Pressure.
God. Reminds me of this rabbit hole I went down recently. Basically someone made HD texture packs for Dark Cloud 2, and someone else stole them and paywalled them behind a kofi page or something. And it turns out they've been doing similar for a lot of other projects. Absolutely infuriating shit.
Absolute bangin' video, Ben! Knew about a lot of the stuff beforehand but that Aon guy is one despicable being. Yikes. Why is it, that we get really good mod Devs and absolute garbage Devs and nothing in between? And hey, my Explosive Situation clip is here. :D
I honestly have a point to focus where if you put your mods in public then the only thing that it needs another creator is not monetize with them and give credits.
Theres entire map mods I've made for vice city that I released as part of a mini mod 15 years ago, I constantly see my assets I modeled and textured used in Russian mods , I never get credited, hell, I don't even have the original files anymore. I used to get upset about it. I realized asking to be credited gets ignored and that its going to happen no matter what I do. It does suck to see people get praised for something you busted your butt on. It's a constant problem. I'm also not much for paywalling mods, mainly because I modded/ made mods back in the early 00's, that was never a thing. IF you are going to do so, you definitely need to be making ALL of your assets ALL by yourself. It's bad enough to steal and release someone elses work, but stealing and paywalling stolen work is straight criminal.
Hello ben, already sorry for my bad english... I'm not surpris you are talking about diffculty mod, in 1.4 he add ai voice.. 7:11 just take the look why he's say on his own "vid test mod" (Spanked mad men has left The Difficulty mod because that is already in Tightened'reas so i won't steal the ideas from Tightened) btw good job on this video 👏
Very hard worked and well written video. This is not a casual topic its stealing and thats atrocious so thx to you for pointing that out!. I have one point of disagrement with what you said when you said therapy, Aon Gamer is not sick, he hasnt got any mental issue as far as i know, and even if he would this is no excuse. Thoses who are guilty need to pay back or have penalties that's how the world fix itself.
The Disappointment History of the Aon Gamer Section "Ah, standard scumbag RUclipsr stuff, awful, but-" "Oh, wow that's..." "Wait wh- That's not even scummy that's just dumb. Wait how does it get Worse-" "Oh. That's how it gets worse."
this is just another day in the modding community sadly. there is no solution for this you can make your mods closed source which will prevent all of these issues but it would introduce a lot of downsides. I genuinely wish there was a way to unite and moderate all modders but well even the creators of the game themselves are bad so it's just rough.
This exact problem is why i only look for the good mods before downloading them. I do not want to support scummy work in any way, shape or form, positive or negative. As far as the GTA triology is concerned, you are the best source out there for determining good vs scummy work. Whoever is into the possibility of playing through modded work of the games sould check you out before downloading the mod they are about to install.
Modding community members trying to not steal assets from eachother challenge (impossible). I've seen this happen in so many modding groups I was a part of, that I stopped being surprised by stuff like this, even encrypting your assets wont be enough to stop some people from stealing shit.
And encrypting them is also devastating if Rockstar/Nintendo shot them down. Case on point, GTA Underground. Unencrypted? It can be revived, an example is Pokemon Prism
And then there’s still mfers flaming my ass when I said it’s a weirdo move to use assets and not publicly shout out the ppl you took it from. Some ppl dont understand that work equals money, and if you put work into something in your free time, it’s NOT that deep to have ppl mention your name if they dont even get Pennies for it.
Watching people stealing other people's work is kinda sad for me. They waste time and efford that they could put on making an actual original mod, instead of doing crappy videos and Copy&Paste other small mods to make an "original" mod or else. But unfortunately, the argument of stealing other people's work apply to the real life too, and sometimes they get away with the punishment. I hope this doesn't happen in AonGamer's case
Aon Gamer? I remember he was formerly falsely accused Vadim M of stealing content while he steals other people's content, including Vadim M's, and threatened DMCA.
I was scared you're gonna tell us some of those mods have shady malware or stuff inside them. But yeah it's kind of sad people just copy and paste other's people's work without even crediting them. Here I thought the vast majority of GTA mods are just ports of models from other games but there's some more scummy stuff going on like the patreon thing you mentioned.
The issue with this stuff getting copied I think is the modders stealing content just think that people won't bother enough and if they do people just wanna play mods they don't really care if content is stolen especially if they stumbled in their mod first, thats why it is super important for EBEN and other known creators withing the GTA 3D era scene should call out and completely annihilate them if they don't comply. It is important as a form of respect for modders like DB who made incredible mods from nothing and they gave us something beatiful, zero mercy for those punks.
Aon gamer is actually being a fake Christian because he is not Christian at all he is from Pakistan which he is Muslim and he has never been to church in his whole life because I can see this if I go to his about section
Ill say this despite sounding like a dick not a single american donated to us when Portugal was on fire in 2017, nor did they donate to Spain this year when it was literally flooded. So ill rather donate to my local charities than give americans a single cent. Once they care about the people we lost, ill care about theirs.
My theory is, ReLCS started Re3 and ReVC lawsuits because of name similarities. IIRC, the last patreon build of ReLCS is not a patch, it's full game. Causing people to be angry, and taking down his Patreon.
I don't intend to be mean but the cricket game being sold on the patreon and the weirdly written message is a huge hint at that the guy is some indian scammer just like in the call centers
You confronted him on discord and he still wanted to sell you some mods, ahaha. Did you change your mind about the GTA LCS Vice City mod being taken down? You said in a livestream that they had it coming because they are giving GTA LCS away for free. I am asking because I'm confused. Vice City Nextgen Edition does the same. After they got angry at taketwo tough.
Good video :) ...I mean, you're right that this Aon guy is despicable, however..it's such a small fish that it's even more funny how pathetic he is trying to scam people. And there are far worse people out there on the internet and lately the biggest fraudsters rig elections or even get elected presidents... With the modding scene I think it's important to always keep in mind that most modders probably mean well and do not make a lot of money, if any. So imo we should not totally condemn modders if they rip off a little asset here and there for the greater good, lol.
I'm glad you're finally giving yourself the credit for all your hard work on the Tightened mods 👍
rob?
Lmao
for real
He deserves it for sure. 👏
I want to ask something here.
Are there any demands on a mod that adds the new stunt jumps and QoLs from the Tightened mods (infinite sprint, phone call skipping, etc.) but keeps the mission untouched?
Ahh yes, Aongamer, the same dude that got called out by Vadim M for stealing his footage also, no surprise he steals and sells mods too
I don't know what video was it on Vadim M on his RUclips channel
Which is weird because doesn't Vadim M watermark his videos?
@@9zard Wasn't a video, it was on twitter
AonGamer was also pissed at Vadim M and was trying to shift the blame onto Vadim saying how he's this bad guy taking down a video for no reason, despite the fact that Aon literally used his footage, couldn't admit that it's not his, tried to paint Vadim M as a bad person and hell, he even said that Vadim stole his video which literally makes no sense as Vadim's video was uploaded years prior lol
@@EllieNotSoSmelly He cropped Vadim's video to remove the watermark
@@HeySlickThatsMe Oh ok
Thanks for covering this subject, Ben. I'm the dev of TTDISA, one of the mods that Aon is selling on his patreon without permission. I'm not really bothered by it, I just think it's kind of funny. But that California wildfires dono though, yikes.
Off-topic but why haven't you released any updates to the mod in 2 or 3 years?
I know this cause i had Theo showed up on old streams of me many times! Also guys notice how this guy wants 30$ for every single project. What a damn scam. Lol wtf. What a clown. And a damn scammer with the wildfires. This is like one of those luke warm persons wanting to help anyone and also at the same time earn from them, and at the same time steal from Theo's mod "TDDISA" which is btw an amazing mod!
Hey, I'm playing through your mod right now and it's great!
I'd DMCA Aon out of principle alone
Really glad you're making light of this situation. Unfortunately it is very common in modding communities, but it is very rampant in GTA modding. I hope this will inspire modders to be more creative, and create more assets on their own, or atleast get proper permission from the authors they take assets from.
This is a direct result of Rockstar's persecution of the modding scene. In games where modding is legitimized and modders aren't met with contempt, things like this are rare because 1. modders don't see each other as "underground" and generally have more respect for rules 2. the game devs often police such situations (as opposed to policing the very existence of the modding community).
15:10 Never trust someone who Capitalises Every Word Outside Titles.
An issue with the asset stealing is that the average player will not care about it. And hell, sometimes they will do that even if they had been informed about it.
This is why, the community needs to get more vocal about this. Bad actors need to be called out and confronted.
Asset stealing and monetizing it is rampant in GTA multiplayer. FiveM and MTA servers got tons of mods used on them (without permission ofc because why not) or assets stolen from someone else and then the servers are monetized.
Last dude is so sick. He broke one of 10 commandments (it's 7th I think - You shall not steal) and at the same time was asking for money to churches for "people of California" wildfire attacks
They’re not Christian, it’s a foreign scammer taking advantage of westerners. They couldn’t name a single commandment.
It’s likely one of the thousands of dudes from India/East Asia running a scam. They’re not actually Christian, that’s just to help ingratiate themselves with naive westerners. The 😇 emoji is a dead giveaway if you’ve dealt with them before.
It’s a foreign scammer, they’re not actually Christian.
You imply that being a christian and being a hypocrite are mutually exclusive
@@BlindBosnianhe probably thinks that.
Great video Ben! More scripted stuff like this would be great!
Just some babbling from me... While a lot of these overhaul mods can be good for some users, I do have a problem with a lot of them, both for stolen work and just as a headache for mod authors (Tightened Vice seems like an exception).
Mods like Vice City Extended Features or whatever contain so many mods which they don't credit the authors for, I just checked to be sure.
DK22Pac created the mipmap plugin included in the mod, he's not credited. ThirteenAG created Widescreen Fix, he's not credited. ThirteenAG and myself created Project 2DFX, we're not credited. ThirteenAG and many others created Open Limit Adjuster, no credits. aap created SkyGFX and Portable GTA, he's not credited. Link2012 created Modloader, which the mod includes, he's not credited.
There's literally so many.
And as well as the not crediting authors, the mod is a mess of files (as most overhaul mods are).
The other problem with this is, casual users install this overhaul mod, then they think they can use it as a base to install other mods. Except, they don't even know what mods are included with the mod to begin with.
So you get casual users installing what is basically a modpack like Vice City Extended Features, they then try to install mods on it that either aren't compatible or they're already apart of the mod (how is a casual user going to know?), and then when something doesn't work, they complain to the developer of said mod that their mod doesn't work, even though it's an issue with the modpack.
Packs like these are just an absolute headache for mod creators and honestly, the modding community would be better off overall if people just learned to mod their game correctly themselves and they could pick and choose what to install.
Modpacks can be beneficial, some people just want to install something which fixes and improves these older games so they can get the best experience, but unfortunately they can be a headache for the actual creators of mods between being blamed for issues and having your work stolen and possibly butchered in certain cases, and they can be problematic for casual users too, which they're often aimed at.
Anyway, Tightened Vice seems like an exception, considering it's aimed more towards speedrunners than anything, but modpacks always have and always will cause issues like you've shown in this video.
@@TJGM definitely agree with this considerating I've shared VCEF on my channel. It's a pain when people try adding more mods on top of the pack, and then it cascades into other issues.
It was/is always a bit of a rock and a hard place for Tightened. As you say, my target audience is speedrunners, which is a bit of a "special case" that realistically means packaging everything into one. While I do make sure to include an extensive list of credits whenever something third party is included, I'm of course not ignorant to the fact many people will not read that file/watch them in-game.
It does sometimes cause the flipside of the issue. E.g. players try to install SilentPatch on top of the included version of SilentPatch that's tucked into the "scripts" folder; so it's far from foolproof.
I wish I had a better solution though, I'd be all ears if somebody ever came up with one!
I'd like to think that with Extended Features the issue isn't malice but instead ignorance, considering he almost immediately credited DinasourBytes. And you don't see him going around and taking credit for making all of these mods himself.
@@DinosaurBytes What about a exe installer with a cool window with all the credits and even some warning windows that there's already other files installed, like silent patch and some advice for what's recomend?
Situation is situationing. On a serious note, this stuff is unfortunately very common in modding, mega-mods which just combine assets from smaller projects were always a thing and even after being called out authors wouldn't admit it wasn't their original content. It's absolutely idiotic behaviour, they aren't gonna make money off this anyway so why be an asshole and not give credit?
Roxor and Take***interactive ain't the only one. -----> Nintendo removing stuff from Gmod Workshop.
"they aren't gonna make money off this anyway so why be an asshole and not give credit?"
Because these days they DO make money for it 🤮
I stopped modding completely because people kept stealing my work and *_selling_* it, this happened over 10 years ago already, since then "paid mods" have only become more common, meanwhile people copy even more work from others (or AAA studios) and the amount of mods "made as a labor of love" are fewer and further between than ever, i can only conclude that "we lost the war" to paid mods, modding scenes everywhere are literally poisoned by younger generations that think they can make a quick buck or start a whole frigging patreon on the basis of copy-pasting some cod weapon into gta, or worse, copy pasting an actual mod made with actual effort, changing 1 texture and then claiming it as their own.
These days 'famous modders' all have a patreon where you're pretty much supposed to buy their mods, idk but i never had the idea to modify my favorite games _to make money,_ instead i just wanted _to make more fun,_ but apparently that's not the most common goal of modding anymore today. All of this seems to relate to Steam btw, while Valve sure did take the hint that we don't want paid mods (see the old skyrim drama) its very obvious that publishers have not & younger generations simply dont care what they spend their parents money on 🤷♂ Finally the way Steam workshop is pretty much unmoderated has made it so these kids think anything goes and is fine etc.
For anyone having their labor of love stolen, know that if you report it to Valve or Google (wich-ever is more relevant to your case) these parties do care & will take action, but any other company not so much.
>Stealing content
>Bad english
>Spamming Emojis
>Scamming people
>Cricket Game
Yeah he's 100% from India or Pakistan
Update: Just checked his channel and i was right
He's also falsely accused Vadim M stealing content & threatened DMCA.
SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM MY MODS
That Patreon is exactly the kind of stuff Rockstar's lawyers should be shutting down.
IIRC, re3 and revc incidents started from reLCS mod (full game, not patch) put into patreon. The name is the same so Rockstar thought it was the same project.
But they take down free projects bwahahah
E Ben became the Karl Jobst of GTA modding
Couldn't be expressed better! 15+ years ago it was also popular for different stores to just sell straight off ripped mods on CDs/DVDs for profit. New era, duh.
"Shameful, honestly" is all that comes to mind
I’m glad that the Extended Features dev acknowledged their mistake and corrected it.
An edited English Ben video that aren't stream highlights? You don't get this very often.
Looks like I'm falling into deeper modding rabbit hole after hearing what Rockstar did to modder RUclips channel.
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yeah, I even warned star & stripes team on one of their videos to avoid posting anything for a while until it all calms down, because we'll never know T2 could've targeting S&S, Tightened, SA Stories, and various other total conversion mods next
So Aon got called out by other devs stealing ideas from other modders, called put by Vadim M for stealing his footage from YT and now getting called out by Ben for potentially using a disaster to pocket money? This is some peak scum behavior
I was searching if someone had completed a PC Port of Vice City Stories not long ago, and found Aon Gamer's channel. As soon as I saw he was telling people to DM him for download links, I smelled something was fishy.
I reported his Patreon and his Paypal for fraud. It's very obvious he's a scammer. No one collecting donations would use Patreon to collect them, nor would they capitalise every word or use that many emoji's.
I went even beyond that. If that's a charity scam, I didn't hold back and requested an investigation.
Freaking unbelievable, all I got was an email saying that they won't do anything if there is no complain from the original mod owners, but even worse, doesn't even address the charity scam issue. 🤦♂
@@Chapmike I got back the same
I'm a new dev in the GTA modding scene, but from the short stint I've been here, toxicity, cultism, and downright despicable behaviour seems to be endemic, so I'm not surprised whatsoever by the themes here. Albeit not as severe as conning charities, but we had a well known copycat reupload our mod's introductory video within hours of its release, purely for clout on his own channel.
The rabbit hole really did go deep, unreal
AonGamer is also lying about the content of his mods (you briefly touched upon that with VCS part in his section), but he's also dm'ing people and straight up telling them he's gonna sell all of those mods and asking you what you want to buy (despite you not even messaging him in the first place), in that section where you're showing his patreon he's selling those beta/alpha mods and saying that they have "all beta missions" which is just BS, and he's also straight up selling TTDISA which is an old free mod
He also used to advertise his videos in bunch of random discord servers
@@HeySlickThatsMe he did both of these things in my server, multiple times.
Yea it’s a foreign scammer, they’re notorious for spamming people.
it's the fact that they cry when it's pointed out is what gets me the most
a while ago i was enjoying polyvalord's the challenge mod but i found two different crashes that would happen so i commented under the gtaforums thread with instructions on how to reproduce them and the most likely cause and even told them how to fix one of the crashes, but every response i got was needlessly rude even though i was just trying to help them fix the crashes. i'm glad you mentioned their behavior in this video
That's fantastic! If I were the mod developer, I would be very grateful, because it would save me a lot of time.
The fact they PAYWALLED free mods is utterly disgusting.
Right aon gamer bro wanted to charge me for a ped.ifp file when I called him out in pms he said "you don't understand anything you freakin idiot"
That person can't be older than 16 lol
dude this fool also stole a mod that's been around since 2017 and it's just sad cause also when I confronted him he said "I improve them" spoiler he doesn't touch them except putting them in 1 folder with gta sa
@@krzysztofkgg61 Quite the improvement there! :D
Knowing the ped ifp if it was beta releated for sa he was probably selling my accurate beta animations to you lol
Never would I have guessed where this video was going
Never sank into this rabbit hole. I am always looking forward to all the GTA Games Multiplayer access and saw reused assets from 1 server to another server! Looking forward for you to cover a very unique server in MTA which combines 2 games
did he use chat gpt to replie that lol
yes
@ihatserbs1771 ChatGPT will not capitalise every single word like that unless it is explicitly told to do so, and it doesn't make the same ESL mistakes as Aon Gamer did in his messages. They're written by him.
As the dev of Story Mode 2.0, i'm completely in shock on that last one, there's people like me who started modding for fun and people like him is using other people's work as a way to scam people, trule disgusting
I was expecting you to talk about GTA Vice City Nextgen Edition, Liberty City Preservation Project and so on.
Paid mods are awful
See also: Paid BeamNG mod with IRL car brand, using 3d model from the Forza. Good thing is, that type of mod is frowned upon on the beamng forum, so it's on modland.
The one that's original (OC brand, 3d not stolen) is much more respected and can be seen on the BeamNG forum.
@@aeronyx Except there is.
Ryadica was working on a full GTA LCS PC port which was legitimate as he nearly finished it, only some side missions weren't developed. The problem here is that he was basically selling GTA LCS. His final build (98% complete) is probably out there on the internet these days after Rockstar DMCA'd him.
there's a quote from where im from who goes like "dumb is not who asks but the ones who gives" and this goes very well with that aon dude 😂
Modding communities in general are unfortunately riddled with bad behavior. I've seen it first hand in games like Sven Co-op, A Hat in Time and Left 4 Dead 2 as well as hearing about it in Super Mario 64 and Sonic Robo Blast 2. There is probably more I've forgotten about but the point is that this is sadly a regular thing.
I will say however that modders stealing from charities is definitely a first. I want to give the benefit of the doubt but even if I ignore your arguments, why would someone act as a middleman for charity like this? If it's not an organized event like GDQ or ESA just redirect people to the charity itself. It just feels really shady to me.
listen, while i get the whole "not crediting people for small mods that change a singular thing" because i can guess that some of these have started as personal kitchensink qol modpacks after which the guy kind of goes "hey this is pretty good i think people would like this" and hastily tries to find the authors of whatever he might have installed (it happens), but reselling other people's mods is just straight up copyright infringement, the kind that gets you behind bars in most countries, just as much as stealing from charities does if i'm not mistaken, someone should really look into reporting all of that to his local law enforcement
Aon Gamer has to be a scammer.
Last person, disgusting, i don't get it, wasting their own time instead of doing something with their life.
The GTA Community is just Chaos when Making Mods I Have Been Working for over a Year on A GTA San Andreas Stories Mod (Not the One Done by SAS Squad) And we Had To Stand Another Modder Attacking us for Months Accusing us of not Crediting Developers and Stealing Mods Even though we still not even reached the Beta Stage of the Mod, and we are all in High Pressure to get it done while Knowing we have that Son of a B**** Is Saying we are Stealing God Know's how many Mods Even though we still have to make to Finish Crediting everyone
This Goddamn Crap Has Been Affecting My Mind So Bad I Don't Even Know Anymore if I am on the good Side off this "Civil Moding War" Or am I Working with an Actual Mod Stealer is Just so Much Pressure.
God. Reminds me of this rabbit hole I went down recently. Basically someone made HD texture packs for Dark Cloud 2, and someone else stole them and paywalled them behind a kofi page or something. And it turns out they've been doing similar for a lot of other projects. Absolutely infuriating shit.
Would be nice to make part of 2 of this, but focusing on HD era gta mods.
Absolute bangin' video, Ben! Knew about a lot of the stuff beforehand but that Aon guy is one despicable being. Yikes.
Why is it, that we get really good mod Devs and absolute garbage Devs and nothing in between?
And hey, my Explosive Situation clip is here. :D
Disgusting behavior, especially the charity stuff. Great reporting Ben! ❤
I honestly have a point to focus where if you put your mods in public then the only thing that it needs another creator is not monetize with them and give credits.
Theres entire map mods I've made for vice city that I released as part of a mini mod 15 years ago, I constantly see my assets I modeled and textured used in Russian mods , I never get credited, hell, I don't even have the original files anymore. I used to get upset about it. I realized asking to be credited gets ignored and that its going to happen no matter what I do. It does suck to see people get praised for something you busted your butt on. It's a constant problem. I'm also not much for paywalling mods, mainly because I modded/ made mods back in the early 00's, that was never a thing. IF you are going to do so, you definitely need to be making ALL of your assets ALL by yourself. It's bad enough to steal and release someone elses work, but stealing and paywalling stolen work is straight criminal.
Oh yea I’m glad you’re finally saying something. I watched you play so many mods, you are one of the ones who can talk about this.
Hello ben, already sorry for my bad english...
I'm not surpris you are talking about diffculty mod, in 1.4 he add ai voice..
7:11 just take the look why he's say on his own "vid test mod"
(Spanked mad men has left The Difficulty mod because that is already in Tightened'reas so i won't steal the ideas from Tightened)
btw good job on this video 👏
I thought you were going to talk about the banning of Mods by Take-Two
Yeah, we need a 9 billionth person to chip in on that.
Thank you for sharing this with us!
Very hard worked and well written video. This is not a casual topic its stealing and thats atrocious so thx to you for pointing that out!. I have one point of disagrement with what you said when you said therapy, Aon Gamer is not sick, he hasnt got any mental issue as far as i know, and even if he would this is no excuse.
Thoses who are guilty need to pay back or have penalties that's how the world fix itself.
The Disappointment History of the Aon Gamer Section
"Ah, standard scumbag RUclipsr stuff, awful, but-"
"Oh, wow that's..."
"Wait wh- That's not even scummy that's just dumb. Wait how does it get Worse-"
"Oh. That's how it gets worse."
this is just another day in the modding community sadly. there is no solution for this you can make your mods closed source which will prevent all of these issues but it would introduce a lot of downsides. I genuinely wish there was a way to unite and moderate all modders but well even the creators of the game themselves are bad so it's just rough.
check out gta sin city if you haven't already, actually a well-made mod (except for the voice acting)
Mannn I haven’t seen English Ben go ag someone like this since Datess the internet begger 🤣 go gettem Ben!
@@Ardeesv The little crybaby is still here crying? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL cry kid 🤣
@@Ardeesv 😂 crybaby cry hahahahahhahahahahahahahaha 😂
I was waiting for this video
Hardlined, for all its flaws, at least has its integrity untouched
The same thing happened with the Dark Souls/Elden Ring 'modder' Garden of Eyes.
"the gta situation is getting CRAZY!"
3:51 Oh boy here we go... 🤣
This exact problem is why i only look for the good mods before downloading them. I do not want to support scummy work in any way, shape or form, positive or negative. As far as the GTA triology is concerned, you are the best source out there for determining good vs scummy work. Whoever is into the possibility of playing through modded work of the games sould check you out before downloading the mod they are about to install.
Modding community members trying to not steal assets from eachother challenge (impossible). I've seen this happen in so many modding groups I was a part of, that I stopped being surprised by stuff like this, even encrypting your assets wont be enough to stop some people from stealing shit.
And encrypting them is also devastating if Rockstar/Nintendo shot them down. Case on point, GTA Underground.
Unencrypted? It can be revived, an example is Pokemon Prism
@@bitelaserkhalif Its either that or having your stuff stolen and re-sold on shady patreons by clowns.
@@VeilsideTofu can't have nice things, I guess?
0:44 that took a turn
IT'S HERE
oh God, I was expecting a completely different video when my friend told me you were gonna drop this today, the last part was insane
@@tolyo96 :D
for a second i thought this was a pyrocynical video
everyone has now learned of the this situation is blank meta it will soon have to change
Also missed thumbnail opportunity; a fourth word should be "Robbed" so the acronym of all 4 words is "TLDR"
The so and so situation is crazy..
The so and so situation is INSANE..
Addressing the so and so drama..
One coincidence is a coincidence.
Two coincidences is called a pattern
I've reported their Patreon page, such a scummy individual, thanks for the heads up Ben!
And then there’s still mfers flaming my ass when I said it’s a weirdo move to use assets and not publicly shout out the ppl you took it from.
Some ppl dont understand that work equals money, and if you put work into something in your free time, it’s NOT that deep to have ppl mention your name if they dont even get Pennies for it.
Watching people stealing other people's work is kinda sad for me.
They waste time and efford that they could put on making an actual original mod, instead of doing crappy videos and Copy&Paste other small mods to make an "original" mod or else.
But unfortunately, the argument of stealing other people's work apply to the real life too, and sometimes they get away with the punishment. I hope this doesn't happen in AonGamer's case
Great video
The fact that aon gamer is claiming that he made all of these mods by himself is complete bs whats worse is that the money is going in his pocket.
Anon patreon is the biggest Money Scam iv ever seening im shocked 😂 his discord wasimt pay walled behind it
Sounds like most cristian thing i ever heard, with or without him being true to pass that $$ to church. And tbh i expect both.
Aon Gamer? I remember he was formerly falsely accused Vadim M of stealing content while he steals other people's content, including Vadim M's, and threatened DMCA.
I was scared you're gonna tell us some of those mods have shady malware or stuff inside them. But yeah it's kind of sad people just copy and paste other's people's work without even crediting them. Here I thought the vast majority of GTA mods are just ports of models from other games but there's some more scummy stuff going on like the patreon thing you mentioned.
who hates aon gamer?
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Interesting contents!
The issue with this stuff getting copied I think is the modders stealing content just think that people won't bother enough and if they do people just wanna play mods they don't really care if content is stolen especially if they stumbled in their mod first, thats why it is super important for EBEN and other known creators withing the GTA 3D era scene should call out and completely annihilate them if they don't comply.
It is important as a form of respect for modders like DB who made incredible mods from nothing and they gave us something beatiful, zero mercy for those punks.
Im curious on the ethics on modding a mod with credit (in the case of calling it “dlc” thats misleading but if u remix a mod?)
he literally has ~0 followers anywhere and i seriously doubt that anyone has paid him anything ever. it can't be that serious
Shady modders??? Dinoooosaaaaaaaaauuuurrr.....
God damn this isnt what i was expecting what the fuck...
Aon gamer is actually being a fake Christian because he is not Christian at all he is from Pakistan which he is Muslim and he has never been to church in his whole life because I can see this if I go to his about section
And here I thought R* and T2's attitude towards modding was the worst I've seen this week...
I wish the gta modding community would come together, the real enemy is take 2
Like just make good mods for the community
Ill say this despite sounding like a dick not a single american donated to us when Portugal was on fire in 2017, nor did they donate to Spain this year when it was literally flooded. So ill rather donate to my local charities than give americans a single cent. Once they care about the people we lost, ill care about theirs.
we only care about Ukrainians
i reported his patreon
The mod you forgot to mention is Re: GTA LCS created by Ryadica, do you know what exactly happened in that situation?
My theory is, ReLCS started Re3 and ReVC lawsuits because of name similarities.
IIRC, the last patreon build of ReLCS is not a patch, it's full game. Causing people to be angry, and taking down his Patreon.
Why does Aon Gamer wanted us to donate for the California Fire if he's from Pakistan?
I don't intend to be mean but the cricket game being sold on the patreon and the weirdly written message is a huge hint at that the guy is some indian scammer just like in the call centers
I feel like most of the stealers are very young people that really want some attention, why else would anyone do things like that, yikes 😭
Sanvive next, please 🙏
Agree to that
dinosauuuuur.......
good watch
You confronted him on discord and he still wanted to sell you some mods, ahaha. Did you change your mind about the GTA LCS Vice City mod being taken down? You said in a livestream that they had it coming because they are giving GTA LCS away for free. I am asking because I'm confused. Vice City Nextgen Edition does the same. After they got angry at taketwo tough.
Haven't changed my mind, anyone who includes the full game in their mod is asking for trouble
@englishben understood and agreed on.
hes probably indian
I think Cricket24 was a bit of a giveaway, not to mention that the whole region appears to be a hotbed for scammers.
@@strahinjastevic7480 yeah it checks out. not very hard for a pattern xD
He is pakistani, He lives in islamabad and scams from there
Good video :) ...I mean, you're right that this Aon guy is despicable, however..it's such a small fish that it's even more funny how pathetic he is trying to scam people. And there are far worse people out there on the internet and lately the biggest fraudsters rig elections or even get elected presidents...
With the modding scene I think it's important to always keep in mind that most modders probably mean well and do not make a lot of money, if any. So imo we should not totally condemn modders if they rip off a little asset here and there for the greater good, lol.