Yellowstone: Margaret & James Dutton's Death Explained!
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2023
- Before 1923, all we talked about was 1883. Since the first prequel of the Yellowstone universe had the most tragic ending, we found it highly difficult to move on from it. 1923 started with a voiceover from Elsa. Just like in 1883, she made an introduction to the show. It seems like she will be a stable part of the Yellowstone shows from now on, and we are very much excited about it.
Were you a fan of Margaret and James? Or don’t you care about their deaths at all? Let us know what you think in the comments below.
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Were you a fan of Margaret and James? Or don’t you care about their deaths at all? Let us know what you think in the comments below.
I loved James and Margaret and it was hard to imagine their actual deaths. I had come to this conclusion without it being clearly covered in the story line but this coverage really did help. Thanks!
It would have made a better transition if their deaths were included.
ive looked up the Dutton Family Tree more times than i have saw mine own. it still confuses me a bit. lol
I’m an actor on the new spin-off called Bass Reeves. True story. He was at the Battle of Pea Ridge. First black US Marshal that inspired The Lone Ranger after arresting about 3000 and dodging bullets. Can’t say how the story blends into the fictional characters of 1883. It’s going to be epic.
@Beth I found it confusing until I learned Jack's name is John (1923) clarifying who (Kevin Costners) john duttons father, grandfather was...I don't know how I missed they call john Jack in 1923 but I did lol...the family trees I am seeing online wasn't clarifying who Costners grandad was they were making it look like he was a brother to Jack or Spencer...a new one was just posted clarifying it...(I'm sorry I assumed what you were confused about, this was what I was confused about up until 2 days ago lol)
We need closure from 1883. I watched it 3 times and have questions. How did Sam find out Elsa died? Did he find James and Margaret? What about Little John? Why was there no character development for him in 1923? No mention of anything he experienced. We need an 1884. We want to see how they built up the ranch. Heck just start from Elsa's funeral forward. You got some great writing to be had.
Because Sam died too. If Sam saw Elsa after she died in the meadow. Wouldn't that mean Sam had died . Just my interpretation.
John is a father in 1923.
It’s a tv show…
Elsa says in the beginning of 1923 that her mother and oldest brother froze to death so the only one left is the younger brother. I think I am right on this.
@@charlindadavis8513 then who is the John Dutton in 1923? Because he is the father of Jack Dutton. He is the older brother of Spencer Dutton. He can’t be dead and a character in 1923.
I wish they would of kept going with James and Margaret at least 1 more season instead of jumping 40 years they were wonderful in 1883 was great.
Everytime we start watching 1923 I complain about this and my husband asks are you going to stop saying that and I say NO!
I think 1923 aught to do a flashback on John Dutton Sr's life. We see so very little of him yet he's so important in the Dutton family chronology.
Totally agree. I wish we could have seen more. Ugh left us hanging. Loved Margaret and James. Hated the ending.
I absolutely love all of the stories 1883, 1933 and Yellowstone Can hardly wait for the 1940 era
You hit the nail on its head. We needed closure…I didn’t want to hear about it like they were friends of friends of friends, I don’t care or know nothing about!! I feel slighted and believe we should’ve gotten 2 more seasons out of 1883.
I enjoyed this video very much. You expressed my feelings to a tee regarding elza and her parents. I was devastated when she died and was hoping there would be a second season showing her parents settling in their new place. Faith hill and Tim McGraw were amazing, but elza stole the show and I miss the character. Was thrilled to see her doing the intro into 1923.
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Ok am I the only one wondering what characteristics about Elsa that people are criticizing her for. I think she’s such a cool character and I don’t know what anyone would be against her.
I loved 1883 .Elsa was awesome I cried when she died .was hoping she would stay alive and be in 1923. Job well done with the Choice of actors on both 1883 and 1923 and Yellowstone. Can't wait to see what is next. WELL DONE EVERYONE I KNOW LOVES ALL THREE SHOWS
Some didnt care for her acting or her accent. But regardless of those I was able to enjoy her and the show as a whole. ❤❤
@@reneebowman9158 Isabel May is an AMAZING actress. Maybe the accent wasn’t the best but her acting was amazing. And I agree with you I enjoyed her and the show also
Agree that Isabel May’s acting is great, but that accent is god awful. You’d think with real southerners like Tim and Faith, she could have done better. That said, I love her character and wanted more of that time period.
@@BlessYourHeart254 I also wanted more of that period and the accent lol I agree it’s not the best
I felt like I would have preferred to see Margaret’s ending because she was a fighter.
The tragedy at the end of 1883 with Elsa was a disappointment to say the least. The flashback to the death of James brings closure to his life but it also sets a prelude for the death of Margaret. A death that was entirely possible considering the time and location of the ranch. Yes I am a big fan of James, Margaret, & Elsa in 1883, which was a spectacular beginning series.
I would have loved to see another season of 1883. Such powerful lives. But the conditions in making the series were very hard on the actors.
I wanted more from them!!!!
Strong and determined...
Actually I appreciate all these postings regarding these things we may have missed on the actual programs. I have actually rewatched a few episodes because I definitely had missed some of those explanations that were done if I really had paid attention. These postings have definitely made the history sequence easier to understand and follow along for the future episodes.
Thank you 🙏
I loved all the characters, They all, were fabulous, especially Elsa.
The only proper death for Margaret was fighting a Grizzly to defend her children. Nah...that doesn't seem plausible. Make it two Grizzlies.
Elsa and Sam were my favorites….and James and Margaret were wonderful
For me 1883 was more on the edge of your seat exciting . The characters more powerful with more going on . 1923 seems dragging on and not nearly as gripping . Would’ve enjoyed to see the show continue with Margaret and John … I was saddened and shocked at Elsa’s death … what a great character.
I feel the demise of James and Margaret were in theme with the show and realism. In life we don't get answers, we get a phone call and bad news. That's what the first few minutes of 1923 felt like; a family member calling and telling us that James succumbed to his wounds, and Margaret froze to death. It is sad, but it was a great way to start this show. We end up caring about Jacob before we even meet him because we know he traveled across the country, found his 2 nephews starving and cold with his sister-in-law dead, and raised them as his own. I can't wait for 1944, season 6 of Yellowstone, and 2024.
Well so nice to know you concluded they are all up in heaven with Obi Wan, Anakin and Mufasa.
Huge fan of Yellowstone series..wished though 1923 explained more clearly but this video helped me understand and understand the family line ..Thanks
I’m glad I’m not the only one that has some narrative struggles with 1923. My only connection is to Spencer and his girl. I do not feel anything for the ranch problems. 1883 the bad guy (so to speak) was the journey. The harsh terrain. The trail. It was spiritual in so many ways. This feels like a bad guy that is not near as threatening. And since was such a large time jump and new characters, with no conclusion, it’s challenging to connect. For me. I know many like it. But I preferred the struggle against the land and fight for dreams. And we didn’t get to see that move forward.
Like you said. The bad guy in 1883 was the trail. The bad guy in 1923 is capitalism or greed.
I love the entire series behind Yellowstone. James and Margaret were my two favorite Duttons. I would have loved to have seen more, but once tpb red about Elsa's death, they decided there would be no S2. I'm actually anxious to find out just who is John Dutton III's grandfather. 😆
I will try to answer this question the best that I can. As played out and explained in season one episode one of 1923 James and Margaret had another son Spencer after Elsie‘s death. When James died and Margaret call James brother Jacob to come and help at Yellowstone. After Margaret died, Jacob and his wife took in and raised John and Spencer, who we saw in the flashbacks that were set in 1893. John married and had John Jr. (Aka Jack) sometime around 1900. In the series 1923 Jack steps up when his father John is killed in episode three. At some point Jake will have a son with in a few years of 1923( his wife lost their first baby) That will be John Dutton, the third, who becomes Kevin Costner‘s character’s father. Kevin Costner’s father has been seen throughout the run of Yellowstone. This timeline works because if Kevin Costner was Jack’s son form 1923, Costner‘s character would be in his 90s so we need another John (3rd) in between. That’s the character playing Kevin Costner‘s father who passed away last season. There are some flash backs throughout Yellowstone which shows Costner’s dad younger and a younger actor, playing a younger, Kevin Costner character.
That would have been great to have an 1883 part 2.
The actor who plays Spencer even favors Tim McGraw
I loved 1883. Have now watched it three times. It's good to have some questions answered but what about the two boys who survived the freezing weather and being hungry - who raised them? There is at least a few episodes right there. I'm really enjoying all things Yellowstone but feel there isn't always the best of explanations for what is happening. Cheers.
I really loved the entire story line of 1883. I loved knowing how the Duttons came to settle in Montana Yelliwstone. James died as result of a lethal gunshot wound not sure how Margaret passed. The brilliance of Tyler Sheridan's ability to take his audience in another place in another time is captivating.
1923 is just as amazing and Yellowstone well that just tells all of what he put so flawlessly together...
I love the Prequels to Yellowstone 1883 and 1923 and I love Yellowstone as fiercely as I would like to have the Duttons prevail as they always do... the fight and the struggle they have everyday to make that happen. It reminds me how everyone no matter their station in life is all about surviving in the midst of their struggles. Tyler Sheridan makes those stories with interesting with twists and dialogues and that magic is introduced to the screen. ❤❤❤
Margaret froze to death in a snow drift… 😅
In case you were wondering.
I agree with you. Side note. Sheridan’s first name is Taylor.
@@damarburger My bad yes it is I should proofread before posting damn phone with the preditext thx for catching that
Wow that was brilliant reading you should try you hand at writing you never know in this world. But love your ideas . James 🇮🇪🤠🇮🇪🐴🐂
Froze to death in the snow.
Best series ever!
That's what I love about the Yellowstone Universe is it's gritty, grounded, and gut wrenching reality.
Thank you for clearing that up
loved the show,wish that there could have been more. Yellowstone fan. waiting for the rest of the story to continue.
I wonder if when Kasey and Monica go to East camp we find out that it was the original homestead maybe Elsa's journal or something that explains that James promised to give the land back to the natives in 7 generations. Just a thought
I think Tate would be the 7th generation
@@richcondo8616, I think you are right. Personally, I would like the promise to return the land honored at least on a TV show since it seems all governments around the world that made these treaties have broken them it would be nice if the Duttons did not.
Tate is the 7th gen. The Season 5 premiere calls John a 5th generation rancher when introduced as Governor.
@@richcondo8616 And he’s Native American!
Yeah I'd love to see the Duttons give that back But reality they would never. Because maybe someone forgot to pass the promise on to a living relative and so on for generations. This happened quite alot back then natives trusting then it's their downfall
Shocking blow to our faces. Dude, it's just a character on a tv show.
If anyone person didn't like Elsa they need a head Dr she was great great story everything
The longer you watch 1923 and Yellowstone things are explained and connected. Just be patient it's coming. I love all the series.
For me their deaths were shocking. I agree their deaths were realistic, the frontier life was extremely hard and very unforgiving. Starving to death was a real possibility especially in a place like Montana.
I’m sad for Margaret bc she left a lovely established comfortable life on east coast, just to struggle, lose her daughter, her husband, and die alone .
Very disappointed that the show didn’t go on before starting the second one.
Thanks for the explanation tuff to figure out
1883 is, in the words of Sam Elliott "...strong enough to stand on it's own."
1883 could certainly have had a 2nd season and then ended.. That 40 year gap will leave TONS of questions other than just the family tree....
I don't get the comment on Elsa and folks turning on her character. I thought for the times, nothing was wrong with her accent as her mother wanted her to be refined but she wanted to be like her dad. I also thought that Taylor's writing and Elsa's on screen presence and reactions was spot on for a young child with nothing around them where they once lived to suddenly be thrown into and excited about the adventure in front of them. All while being naive enough to not really know the dangers that lie ahead of them on this journey. It's a life lesson to all young folks. What may be your journey and end game to arrive at the end of your version of success, not always comes as easy as your mind portrays, or as fun as the path may seem. I thought she put that on full display.
As far as the actors who played Elsa, James, Margaret, Shea, Thomas, Claire, Sam, Josef, Wade, Grady, Ennis, Jim Courtright, amongst others all killed it. They were great.
My true feeling when the last episode finished was , oh no, what a waste. Instead of a 10 episode series , Taylor you had so much more there to tell, so many great characters that didn't get to see the light of day past 10 episodes. It was so disappointing, but if the goal was to leave you wanting more, mission accomplished. Every episode of 1923 so far has been written like the last episode of 1883, leaving you crazy until the next week with access to more of the story.
So yes as far as the question of the 1883 characters, yes they matter, they deserve a little bit more, and Isabel May, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Sam Elliott all of them killed it. Would love to see a fill in series with the folks who can return from 1883 to the storyline in some manner.
And I know he catches hell on the internet today with all kinds of conspiracy theories and craziness, but It did stun me when Tom Hanks walked up to James while sitting in that civil war battlefield. That was well timed, well placed, well written.
Bring us some more of this with 1923, The 6666's, Yellowstone and some more 1883 if only a two or three part, over three nights series release or something. I like the King of Tulsa as well. Stallone fits like a glove.Looking forward to another season of that as well.
I think a second season to 1883 would have been great , given that the first ( and only ) season was their trip into Montana I think a second season would have give a lot more context to the Remaining Duton and the Ranch itself ... The season has it was made 1883 is the best among all They made so far but the Gap between 1883 and 1923 only happens cause they didn't do a second 1883 season to end it well explained ! 1923 is great as well but the Duton adventure into America starts in 1883 and those days were a lot worse and required a lot more personality and perseverance ... I don't agree with 1883 ending cause it only leaves doubts and that empty void of unexplained stuff cause it was ended in a rush !
The way they died is my least favorite part about the story. Surviving everything that happened in 1883 and to die like they did was ridiculous
AGREED! The way every STRONG Dutton women is dying thus far is total BS compared to the way the character was built to survive life in the era they lived through its not making ANY sense to me and it’s disrespectful to the character to be honest
@@becka2005 Many women and their babies didn’t survive childbirth. My grandfather’s first wife passed birthing her first child. My husband’s great grandmother birthed six sets of twins, one infant survived.
Sorry, but the way they died was realistic. This may come as a shock to you, but even in real life, everybody can’t have happy endings. Taylor Sheridan is NOT that type of writer, who once said his way of writing off characters was inspired by Game of Thrones.
Elsa died by a poison arrow, James died from a gunshot wound, Margaret died from freezing to death, and John Sr died from being getting shot. These characters were not invincible. Agree or disagree, the facts are facts. It sucks, but these are facts. They weren’t going to live the happily ever after stories you were hoping for and die from natural causes. How each of the first Duttons perished was tragic, but given that even in real life back in those times when people were dying exactly how they died in the story, they were realistic tragedies. So, get over it. People can’t always have happy endings.
Between the long breaks in episodes of 1923… the huge gap between the ending of 1883 and this and then the break in between the new season of YellowStone.
This entire thing has everyone going WTF Taylor Sheridan!!!
We have to read the books to get the true story, it’s the only way to get details.
I was expecting to witness them actually building the ranch from scratch. 1883 ended awfully
We can't get enough, however we need more flashbacks from upcoming seasons. Call up Tim n Faith cuz we aint done yet.. And Kevin,, stay put!
Now we know how they died and understand Spencer more he came after they arrived in Montana great video
Fan Margaret and James in 1883 I like them very well they were good characters with sad how they died
They could’ve made a series out of 1883. But I think we endured enough through the tragedy of 1883, without having to watch them really struggle and then die. Both of their ends seem like a very likely scenario to happen.
I love 1923 but it was a mistake to kill off James and Margaret Dutton. They were the two connections to 1883, and it would have benefitted this sequel series if Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren were cast as the elderly couple instead of a separate branch of the family that we never knew about.
We do need a Yellowstone 1884, tell about James and Margaret, their son John, their ranch they started Elsa’s gravesite, we need more, it was beautiful but we need closure
Life is not a song
Not everyone gets closure
Would definitely like to know
I would have like them to start off when the Duttons settle 👍👍
I’m hooked
To me Margeret Dutton ( played by Faith Hill) was the real star or 1883. Why she was not at least nominated for an Emmy award is a crime. But then I think, she was playing the wife of a guy that she has been actually married to for 30 years. So was she really acting or just playing herself. BUT it was a strong enough performance to make me watch out for whatever she is in next. I just pray she pick a good role in a good film. Because there is no amount of acting talent that can overcome:
# 1 A bad script.
# 2 A bad director.
or.....
#3 Just a bad project overall.
I like James and Margaret 1883 are great in the story
1883 was the best part of the Yellowstone story 1923 is really gonna have to push it to catch up. James and Margret were awesome and cara is but Harrison ford's character just isn't getting it done and now John is gone maybe Spencer will live up to the Dutton personality
I hope so
1923 was fantastic, my grandmother was born in 1901, it was so close to my heart!
I love this show
Yes I was of both...
I loved the movie n where it takes place n the Era....
I hated that their daughter Elsa had to die so young....
I wish that some way they would make part 2 n that Elsa had survived with her Indian husband n parents would still b alive too....
YES WE NEED CLOSURE AND MORE ON 1883. WE. WERE. LEFT. HANGING
I wish that things were a little bit easier to follow from one series to the next. I get that the flash backs in Yellowstone are the fillers from 1883 to 1923 but they are hard to remember about them.
I always assumed 1883 would have more seasons. Doesn't make sense for it not to be. That we aren't getting them isn't just sad, it doesn't make sense. All we got to see were the first ranching Duttons reach the land that would be the Yellowstone, then the show just ends. All we see are cut up flashbacks ten years after that that don't have any relevance beyond showing us what leads to James dying, which I don't think anyone believed was his actual death at the time. How it was all executed just feels rushed, sloppy and ill written. There should be more to the story that we get than hearing about all these events off screen, as it would have been captivating to watch them unfold. But instead we just learn that it took only a decade for James's plan for the family to fall apart, kill him and his wife, and leave their children for dead if they hadn't been rescued. Fitting for the harsh times, sure, but narratively underwhelming.
1923 is the best in my opinion.
The point is not the specific characters but the family and what they have given to the land in blood, sweat and tears.
I fecking hated the way 1883 ended. SMH!
Liked James more then Margaret. It was obvious James died by the thump, and Margaret screaming, in that flashback.
I loved all of them I was angry that Margaret caused Elsa's death by making her stay and put on a dress. I mourned for days at Elsa's death . As for James and Margaret everyone dies. Love the writing. Such poetry
Answering questions from 1883 and 1923 should be in Yellowstone.
Spencer is truly his father's son
Because it's a soap opera, sad times will always overshadow happy times.
I think Margaret dying from hypothermia is silly. She was an avid outdoors woman. It's hard to believe she wouldn't be able to start a fire to keep herself warm.
And James was with her from their arrival in 1883 until 1893 when he was fatally wounded in the gunfight against horse thief's. In 10 years, they would have surely had rough winters together in Northern Montana and he would have shown her how to keep warm even in the coldest of days. That being said, you had to have enough firewood cut to last the winter, she might not have been able to do that type of labor herself with two young boys, but the people then had a grit & determination about them that today's people lack.
Makes sense why there ain't trees around the house in 1923 except for a couple. She has been cutting down everything in a reach after James died. But with just her cutting I imagine it would be difficult winter but not freezing to death.
I can think of a couple of scenarios:
Snow is so deep that you can't get outside
You can't leave your kids to go as far as you need to to get wood with the snow.
You risk freezing to death if you step outside.
I'm certain that Margaret was capable, but I have a feeling that conditions prevented her from being able to do anything about her situation.
Sadly they keep changing networks.
Outraged and sad? well I guess that is one way of putting it.
I loved every bit of Elsa’s character.People didn’t like her?WTH.
can you guys load up 3 minute clips,many key episodes get it across without narration
I'm here aren't I?
I was over 1883 by the end
Remember James said know they won't service when he gets home and his wife sees the blood I thought that straight away myself because James was a real bad ass actor and took no shit from anyone so yes we all need 1884 , like yesterday not tomorrow if you know what I mean.. can't get enough of the yellow stone universe and I need more because it's brilliant and it's actors are really good.🤠🇮🇪🐴🐂🐴🐂💯🤠🇮🇪
James Dutton would make a great John Dutton if he is leaving the show
I have been watching 1923 and I thought the older lady was Margaret ( Faith Hill's character) so now I,m confused. Who is the older lady?
Ain’t nothin wrong with Elsa’s accent. As a Southerner I cringe every time I hear a bad Southern accent. Hers was pretty accurate. And I loved her character. She was so strong and brave and adventurous
We need 1883 season 2
This Yellowstone thing has gotten so messed up it´s become impossible to follow.
You have to read the books or watch the series again!
Elsa and Beth are my two favorite Duttons
The character they did the dirtiest was James' son John. Barely saw him 1923 then he was dead.
Margaret Dutton reminds me Sadie Adler in RDR2
Yes like to kn what happen
I thought Margaret died by Bears it was on her headstone on Yellowstone season 5 when the hippie girl was walking checking out the graves
Well, I can only see the delayed showings of the series since I live in Thailand. Elsas' death was a shocker. I read all the rational for it, However, I think she was too powerful a character to die. The other information about James and his wife , i agree that was a weak way two such strong individuals to die. There is a you tube that explains the Family tree. My real burning question was how James was able to stake out control of so much land. From what I have read about obtaining land is you put out some stakes and then one goes to the Land office in the largest city and stake your claim. Where did he get so much money to buy the land ?. How come the Land authorities did not have a say on that much land being claimed ? It seems there must have been some other settlers in the same area? Also, why did he not claim the mineral rights since there were plenty underneath the land.? The only way he did not own that as well is when the railroad companies came through the owners with the help of some shady Senators were able to secure those rights. They were able to claim all the minerals underneath the land for 50 miles on either side of the railroad tracks for the length of the line. Everyone enjoy your viewing...sounds like a good nite of TV.
You could stake claim in land, that’s how a lot of immigrants survived and built lives.
my dream is to visit in Thailand
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Elsa I think, perfectly portrays a 17/18 yo girls spirit and heart
was just their time no great loss.
I don’t understand the need to of had them die off. Haven’t seen anything in 1923 story that couldn’t have it just be an elder John and Margaret.
Yes closure 0f 1883, James and Margaret their son John the other characters how they are and how their lives turned out. And telling of the Indians and Elsa’s warrior husband where is he and did he die as the e ding when Elsa sees him waiting for her.
What happened to Elsa husband. I’m confused on that
If there is an exposed rock, someone's head will find it. Does that help explain some of the deaths?
I wished Elsa Didn't die. There was whole story that was left unsaid. The same with all the other cast members. There stories were abruptly ended. I do t think the ending of 1883 was written very well. Just like the last season of Game of Thrones..
I was disappointed with the lack of wagon burning. We Indians need something to cheer for.
I need continuance from Elsa'spassing to 1923. How is the graves of Elsa . Is there a formal graveyard
Yellowstone shows us there is.
Sam Eliot, Tim McGraw & Faith Hill made 1883 the best one. They deserve Emmys. Wish there had been a continuation of 1883. It’s the series with the best story and what all others are based on. This may be an unpopular opinion but I could have done w/o Elsa’s narration. It was unnecessary and distracting. Also Elsa’s character was well written but poorly executed. Her acting was amateur.