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  • @WillmobilePlus
    @WillmobilePlus 3 года назад +5

    Honestly someone that doesn't take busses, I find this channel to be utterly fascinating.

  • @RonnieGreher
    @RonnieGreher 3 года назад +21

    I operate a rural route that is generally light on passenger counts, Government subsidies really help out.

  • @ianmackenzie686
    @ianmackenzie686 2 года назад +1

    Came for the coaches and ended up with a great business education.

  • @christill
    @christill 3 года назад +4

    I feel like line runs make up the bulk of the U.K. coach industry. You see charter coaches for school trips and stuff, but it seems rarer.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад +1

      Yes in the US people tend to drive them selves more. So I make sense why we do more private charters

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад

      That seems odd to me since tourism is such big business in the UK.

    • @billyoneill7381
      @billyoneill7381 3 года назад

      @@stevedavenport1202 you have to keep in mind the amount of people that don't drive due to cost of lessons, insurance, fuel, congestion charge, road tax etc that need to get to a different part of the country. Trains are very expensive compared to coaches. When it comes to tourism, most will either stay in one city, rent a car, or take a train instead of charter routes. Ireland on the other hand, provides that service for US tourists.

  • @RipRoaringGarage
    @RipRoaringGarage 3 года назад +22

    As a former lineman, yeah, its a tough business. Theres also approvals. A town can suddenly remove your permits to just pass through their town, so now you have detours, etc.
    As a driver though, I loved it. Despite the attempted robberies (3 on me..they lost mwahaha), nasty people with cell phones, WEIRD bags people carry (think, 3 day bags of trout...not joking), and people doing it like animal planet in the back seat (no restroom, lots of room). You dont need cinemax..just do a late night run, and man..that back seat, I still loved it. You meet lots of people, make friends with regular commuters, shop owners, locals in town that dont even ride your bus!
    There are some nasty lines, lots of spare change..(I used to carry 100 bucks in single of my own money just to make change for people coming on with 20s...one...after...another). But some routes were only prepaid tickets, and one line had just one stop, from the park and ride to NYC. That was a nice relaxing run.
    Great topic, James!

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад +3

      I was doing a line run for Greyhound, from Chicago to Marquette,Mich. And had a guy with live snakes from Florida on board. As he wanted to handle the box with the animals in it. Fine with me....lol.

    • @RipRoaringGarage
      @RipRoaringGarage 3 года назад +2

      @@jeffherdzina6716 Never had snakes, at least not that I know of. But I had pigeons that would get on the bus and get off a few stops later...every morning. I wasnt the only one. Them and dogs are the only animals I know that learn how to take buses and subways (I mean stray dogs, not with their owners)

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад

      @@RipRoaringGarage I've had cats on board. Lady got off the bus and I was looking at her, and all of a sudden the cats head moved, looking straight at me. Kinda of spooked me at first. But got over it fast. And never a flying rodent a.k.a Pigeons.
      And the occasional seeing eye dog as well.

    • @RipRoaringGarage
      @RipRoaringGarage 3 года назад +2

      @@jeffherdzina6716 I was ok with dogs or cats, usually would ask them to sit in an empy row so they dont bother other passengers. Although it is funny how their "allergies" are fine until they find out the cat was onboard...
      But yeah, the pigeons..theyre so ballsy in PABT, that you drove to the gate, and they wont even fly away. They just move to the middle, so you drive over them, with them between the tires. I know birds can be very clever but still...lots of hot wirly gusts of air can suck them up in a fan blade..neaaah, they dont care. "Im walkin year" like the Goodfeathers cartoons.

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад

      @@RipRoaringGarage The Goodfeather cartoons ....OMG !! To funny.

  • @mcibus2000
    @mcibus2000 3 года назад +14

    Being from Canada we recently lost Greyhound Canada. The city I live in just recently restat bus service between Ottawa(the city I live in) to Toronto. Before with Greyhound was the only service, now with them gone we have 3 different companies Megabus, Rider Express & ONEX, though not having the exac schedule as Greyhound(pre covde) they do offer a good enough schedule amongst all 3 to providr service between the two cities once again.

  • @donalddodson7365
    @donalddodson7365 3 года назад +16

    As always, James, excellent explanations of just how complex the motor coach business has become. You are also a great benefit for your industry. Thank you.

  • @salt_spicy
    @salt_spicy 2 года назад +1

    Love the random Trek clips in the middle of these videos!

  • @michaelrose4344
    @michaelrose4344 3 года назад +5

    Greetings from Greyhound Lines of San Diego, California.

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад +1

      Greetings from a retired driver out of Chicago.

  • @michaelpayne5545
    @michaelpayne5545 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for this. I ride what I think is a line run when I go out to the San Francisco area where both my parents have extended family. The line run is the Marin Airporter, which runs from San Francisco Airport to Marin County, with 6 pickup / drop off points in Marin County. They also do charter services according to their website, but primarily do the line run. Before the pandemic they were running every 30 minutes, but are currently running every hour, with some additional trips. The last time I took it to the airport, the bus was packed after picking up at the last Marin County stop.

    • @kylepesely
      @kylepesely 3 года назад

      Marin Airporter is operated by Preferred Charters out of Santa Rosa. They also operate the Amtrak Thruway service between SF and Arcata, and yes, offer charters as well.

    • @L-Taraval
      @L-Taraval 2 года назад

      @@kylepesely I always thought Preferred and Marin Airporter were separate entities. Both have been privately-owned for decades.

    • @L-Taraval
      @L-Taraval 2 года назад

      Hi Michael. Yes, Marin Airporter would be considered a "line run." I'm very familiar with their system and have ridden with them many times. They've been in business for many decades with nice equipment and good drivers.

  • @paulramsey8187
    @paulramsey8187 3 года назад +3

    In San Francisco we had Jitneys (not Jeepneys) that ran from county line at Daly City up and down Mission street into Finacial District. They were mostly stretched Dodge Tradesmans that were beat to Hell and back. I mean they were shot....
    Price was same as MUNI (sf city bus) but would easily cut travel time in half.
    The City ended them in about 1990'ish.

  • @kylepesely
    @kylepesely 3 года назад +5

    its also worth mentioning that for the most part, charter drivers are NOT line/contract drivers, and vice versa. They may have the same license, and drive the same buses, but they are two compleeeetly different people. You can usually toss a charter driver on a line run if you need to fill a gap on the board, but good luck putting a contract driver on a charter lollll.
    we have a driver who has done the same run to Tahoe 5 days/week for 12 years. I couldnt do it. I love going in a different compass direction every day, and each mile of new pavement fills my soul in a special way.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад +1

      Oh yes! very true!

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад +3

      Being an extra at times, you have to do both at times, at Greyhound. We bid on routes every 6mo (if I recall) so you could be doing a route one day ...up to a year and then get bounced back and driving everywhere the next 6mo. Seniority took for ever to get a great run. Especially when you have guys with 30+ years safety awards.

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад +3

      Those two are very different animals, no doubt. The skill required to be a successful charter driver is on another level from being a line driver..

    • @kylepesely
      @kylepesely 3 года назад +1

      @@stevedavenport1202 the skillsets are different, yes. Its also a mindset. we have drivers that are scared to death of going anywhere in a bus they've never been. going off route is terrifying to them. navigating the streets around your destiantion trying to find the drop spot or parking? pshhhh forget it. but that doesnt mean they are bad drivers. just different.
      i spend the better part of the last year doing Amtrak contract runs, and for what they lack in variety, they make up for in clientele. i have huge respect for those drivers that go out there every day doing it. I am happy to fill in on it here and there, but dealing with some of those people every workday? hell naw lolll. give me a field trip, summer camp, ski shuttle, military move, or group of seniors going to the casino any day.

  • @JonLondon210
    @JonLondon210 3 года назад +2

    I miss driving so much, love your channel! Thank you for sharing so much great information. I want to try Charters I've only done line runs.

  • @alblua
    @alblua 3 года назад +4

    Let's give some love to the unsung heroes of line runs keeping smaller cities connected! :D

  • @greghuang2314
    @greghuang2314 2 года назад +1

    I love these videos and your channel! As I attend UIUC I take Peoria Charter all the time between Chicago and UIUC and I am always impressed by the quality of service. It's also great to meet another bus fan in the Champaign-Urbana area!

  • @BillSchlichting
    @BillSchlichting 3 года назад +1

    One thing I don't think you mentioned is the size of the bus. The line-run buses here carry 15-20 passengers here in the southwest corner of Oregon. But they might only have 3-7 passengers on a run. The bummer here is that passengers going any distance will have to change to a different bus company every 100 miles, and sometimes the connections suck. Greyhound is 100 miles away. Amtrak is 200 miles away. ... I just drive myself a lot.

  • @jeffherdzina6716
    @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад +2

    The best line run I had was Chicago to Marquette Michigan on U.S.41. Between Escanaba, Mich and Marquette, Mich was 50 miles of the Hiawatha National forest. At times, if no one was on the bus. I would pull the bus to the side and stretch my legs. And watch the northern lights, or look at the stars, and I've heard Wolfs off in the distance. Bucket list worthy.

  • @TheTransitCamera
    @TheTransitCamera 3 года назад +6

    Great video!
    You hit on it briefly towards the end, but can you please discuss the third party / subcontracting work thing in a future vid? I'm referring to where you contract another motorcoach operator and coach to help out on a busy line run day or a big charter operation a couple extra coaches are needed for. Would also be interesting to know if there are partnerships within the motorcoach industry among the local outfits (you help us, we help you). Or how competition within the industry works. (Do companies sometimes compete for charter business even when it's hours away?)

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад

      Former company had many sojourns into subcontracting back in 2019 because "couldn't find enough drivers" However, all the other companies had the same issue with driver shortages, so that didn't always solve the problem.
      Also, seems like there are some serious liability issues that you would need to look at with the company you are asking to sub contract to yours; have to take a hard look at their safety numbers according to the FMCA and their overall "reputation"

  • @markeide5784
    @markeide5784 Год назад

    As a Charter driver that is always traveling to new places and cities and as you have noted many times, parking and hangout spots is always a challenging quest. Would love to hear other drivers “ regrets”. The oh I wish I hadn’t done that. Kind of a silly driver confessions .

  • @actemple3282
    @actemple3282 3 года назад +1

    Great blog excellent

  • @Highwaycoachdriver
    @Highwaycoachdriver 3 года назад

    I drive line runs for Ontario Northland and I love the job and it puts food on the table. I also miss charter groups as its more personalized. If you come to Ontario you should visit

  • @MattMcIrvin
    @MattMcIrvin 2 года назад

    Before COVID, I was doing a daily commute from a park-and-ride in Salem, NH into the South Station Bus Depot on Boston Express, which is a subsidiary of Concord Coach (I think it was originally a joint venture with C&J). They went from Nashua and Concord to Logan Airport, via Salem, NH and South Station. The interesting thing about that one is that I remember reading they got a state subsidy for some legal reason (associated with reducing impact of some highway project?) That might have made it a little easier to manage.

  • @RipRoaringGarage
    @RipRoaringGarage 3 года назад +4

    Happy belated 4th, brother. Hope you and the family are doing ok. I just missed the premier. Was out cutting, and prepping for some welding, and testing out the new camera gear...hopefully I can work with it!
    Here's an idea for a new episode. Demo buses. (Not demolition..but demonstrators, and how they can be strange...very strange. If you want, give me a call. I can give you some cool photos of very oddball demo buses in the US!)

  • @berylwhite2983
    @berylwhite2983 3 года назад +3

    Another great video keep up the good work

  • @billyoneill7381
    @billyoneill7381 3 года назад +2

    In the UK, line runs are the norm for coaches. There is usually at least one coach station per city that sometimes shares with the central bus station.

  • @Stone7180
    @Stone7180 3 года назад +2

    Shop Tour? Van Hool Mechanic here!

  • @stevedavenport1202
    @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад +2

    Another great video, James. Yes, that is correct. My former company here in Seattle was subsidized by a local business association to run passenger shuttles up and down the waterfront to facilitate the movement of tourists from one hot spot to another so they could....yep...spend money. 😀
    Also, great idea to create your own tours in house. Why wait around for somebody else to send business your way?
    Another former company of mine created its own in house winery tour. It got to be quite popular. We would pick up folks from local hotels in the morning. By the time we dropped them off in the afternoon, they were walking Z patterns down the sidewalk and saying silly things to each other 😀😃

  • @anthonydaniels5830
    @anthonydaniels5830 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for the information

  • @TheKurtsPlaceChannel
    @TheKurtsPlaceChannel 3 года назад +1

    Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.

  • @michaelborch2432
    @michaelborch2432 3 года назад +1

    Frequency really is about quality, not quantity. That’s what makes it so hard to figure out. Sometimes more frequency equals more people in the seats

  • @BlindGordie
    @BlindGordie Год назад +1

    Great explanation as to how this works and also, I like this tune playing in the background and I wish I could get a hold of it, along with the other music which plays during these videos. Yes, I know I'm a weirdo, but I like this channel. Right?

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  Год назад +1

      Thanks gord. The music is called memory drive by ELFL.

    • @BlindGordie
      @BlindGordie Год назад

      Thanks. I found it and the track I think you meant which played on this video calledEyes To See It. I'm glad I'm a musician as well as a bus nut!

  • @amiausUSA
    @amiausUSA 3 года назад +1

    I wonder if Peoria Charter ever had to have a driving team of two per bus for long distance scheduled rides, as somehow seems common in South America. I have seen this happen in Argentina, particularly from the Buenos Aires Retiro bus terminal to places like Puerto Iguazu near the border with Brazil and Paraguay - a minimum journey of 13 hours, not counting delays due to road conditions and/or local construction projects. That bus had two (maybe three) drivers on board, and there was a long pit stop at Misiones before heading east on route 12. I was on such a bus for 14 hours. The ride was interesting. What could be the worst possible route? Buenos Aires to Ushuaia in Tierra del Fuego, about 54 degrees south of the equator, possibly a two day journey.

    • @Park_Place
      @Park_Place 2 года назад

      That'd be difficult if not impossible. Many buses south of the US have small sleeping compartments next to the luggage bay and a seat right next to the door. But those generally aren't allowed in the US so a driver has to ride with the passengers, which could be awkward or unwanted.

  • @chrismckellar9350
    @chrismckellar9350 3 года назад +2

    Simply speaking, It all comes down to routes or lines if you live in North America, schedules, branding, yield management and customer experience.

  • @Clouds75
    @Clouds75 3 года назад +2

    Loved the video!

  • @brandonhurley9982
    @brandonhurley9982 3 года назад

    You mentioned how a lot of line run companies don't make money. For Greyhound, that's true. A lot of our runs are state owned, meaning we have to run them no matter what. I've done a run here in NC where I didn't have any passengers the entire trip. I basically deadheaded a bus the whole way. Great for the driver, bad for the company.
    Also- does Peoria Charter have buses specifically for line runs or is it just whatever bus is assigned to you for the day? Love your videos James!

  • @micaw7108
    @micaw7108 3 года назад

    If you're ever in Calgary in the summer months and want to go to Banff, we do multiple trips per day only $10 per ticket each way. Subsidized? Yeah, just a bit 😉

  • @schnuurtchke
    @schnuurtchke 10 месяцев назад

    The wheels on the Nova Bus go round and round Round and round Round and round

  • @trailerparksupervisor7046
    @trailerparksupervisor7046 3 года назад +3

    Fun fact: my sister is the person who came up with the name “line run”.

  • @suthius85
    @suthius85 2 года назад

    Have you heard of a new company called The Jet? Wondering if you've ever experienced or would ever experience a ride and make a video about their motorcoaches.

  • @seabassz_197
    @seabassz_197 Год назад +1

    Over here on the west coast we have a bus company called fronteras del Norte owned by Hispanics. They mostly use plain white mci j4500's and a few temsa ts45's they go from Yakima WA to Huntington park in Los Angeles I ride them a lot. Most stops are at gas stations or truck stops off the freeway and sketchy looking shopping centers. Does this count as a line run? Lol sorry for the long comment. Keep up the great content James. (Edit) I like riding these to La more since they don't stop in Sacramento for a two hour layover like greyhound Lol.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  Год назад +1

      Hey thank for the comment. Yeah this definitely sounds like a line run. Anything that sells individual seats running on pre set days with times rather than renting out the whole bus is typically a line run

  • @joop1991
    @joop1991 3 года назад +1

    What about the needed permits to run the route and possible overlap with public transport? In the Netherlands you can't operate a route that overlaps with existing public transport. Because public transport is granted using a concession contract it's unfair competition to compete on a route with a company that is paying money to fulfil that concessions.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад

      We don't really need permits other than the ones required to transport any type of passengers. If we choose to stop at a large institutions they may ask for special permits to use their property.

  • @Pretzel114
    @Pretzel114 3 года назад +2

    Hi James, once again a very informative video. I was wondering, when it comes to background checks on new hire drivers, does the bus industry use a 3rd party by the name of Hire Right a.k.a DAC report? In the trucking business Hire Right or DAC is a common system used. Just curious. Thank a lot and be safe.

    • @jeffherdzina6716
      @jeffherdzina6716 3 года назад +1

      I have done both, Drove and worked at Hireright. If they pay for the service, yes they can use Hireright. Keep in mind that Hireright only keeps information for 7 years.

    • @Pretzel114
      @Pretzel114 3 года назад

      @@jeffherdzina6716 interesting. I was just curious because you always hear everyone in trucking talking about it. Thanks for replying Jeff. Stay safe.

  • @naturallyherb
    @naturallyherb 3 года назад +1

    So awesome! Would it be right to say that a line run is like a milk run in aviation, i.e. a flight from Seattle to Anchorage making many stops in between?
    Also, I've love to see you explain how to operate the bus doors and exits. Mentour Pilot made a video explaining the 737 doors really well, maybe you could do the same for the MCI J4500 doors and window exits!

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад +1

      Mentour Pilot is da bomb. He is the James Wang of the aviation world.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад +1

      Wow. I am honored to be comparied to him. He has an awesome channel! I watch mentor Pilot a lot actually LOL

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад +1

      Hey that is a great suggestion. I will definitely add that to the todo list. thank you! A line run is like what commercial airliners do everyday. Its the majority of what airlines do.

    • @kylepesely
      @kylepesely 3 года назад

      @@MotorcoachWorld ive caught that saitek radio panel sitting on your desk in a few videos. i know you probably sim too. ;)

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад

      @@MotorcoachWorld He really explains the nuts and bolts of aviation quite well.

  • @captain.john.
    @captain.john. 3 года назад +3

    Line runs are my least favorite trips. I enjoy going somewhere different everyday.

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад +1

      Yes I hear that a lot from my charter drivers. LOL

  • @Perich29
    @Perich29 3 года назад

    I do line run on the coke fleet.

  • @David-ts8zn
    @David-ts8zn 3 года назад +1

    I live in the UK and line run is nomoral

  • @LifeOnCoach
    @LifeOnCoach Год назад

    ✌🏾

  • @stevepackard8542
    @stevepackard8542 3 года назад +1

    I thought the bus driver loads the bags? You actually have teams of people that travel with the bus to do that?

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад

      Yes but only when it gets super busy. We don't want our drivers loading 50 peoples worth of bags.

    • @stevepackard8542
      @stevepackard8542 3 года назад

      @@MotorcoachWorldIs this common practice? I thought drivers do it except at a bus station.

    • @stevedavenport1202
      @stevedavenport1202 3 года назад

      That will wear your back out super fast. A lot of the operators are older too.

  • @JPlum2261
    @JPlum2261 2 года назад

    Or Just Use A Small Airport Shuttle Bus But I would not want to sit in one of them for 2 hours

  • @Slaterinshades
    @Slaterinshades 3 года назад +1

    Is your company hiring for bus drivers?

    • @MotorcoachWorld
      @MotorcoachWorld  3 года назад

      Yes we are! Email me. Jwang@peoriacharter.com

  • @schnuurtchke
    @schnuurtchke 10 месяцев назад

    Luccisano 🦶🏻🦵🏻👣🧔🏻‍♂️👍🏽🥾👟

  • @johnp139
    @johnp139 3 года назад

    I don’t know, I think I’ll just work at McDonalds 😀

  • @schnuurtchke
    @schnuurtchke 8 месяцев назад

    Obiago 👃🏼🦶🏼🧔🏽‍♂️🦵🏼👣