VERSUS: THE ACOLYTE IS THE MOST TALKED ABOUT STAR WARS SERIES EVER | Film Threat Versus
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- Today on Versus, Chris Gore, Alan Ng along with special guests debate…
The Acolyte
Guest this week include…
The Angry Badger | / @theangrybadger3
Dante James from Verbal Riot Show | / @verbalriotshow
Nerd Cookies | / @nerdcookies
Script Doctor | / @scriptdoctor
Robert Meyer Burnett | / @theburnettwork
Paul Chato | / @callmechato
Agatha All Along Trailer
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The Acolyte’ Fanbase Has Found Its Sexiest Sith Alive In An Unexpected Place
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The Acolyte Rejects One Of George Lucas' Most Important Dark Side Rules - & That's Why It's Great
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Qimir Makes the Dark Side's Seduction Sexual
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Acolyte Ratings
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:11 Guest Introductions
9:11 "The Acolyte" Episode 6 Impressions
33:44 "The Acolyte" Ratings
47:52 "The Acolyte" Sexy Sith Reaction
54:20 Dark Side Rules Changed Discussion
1:07:51 "The Acolyte" Episode 8 Predictions
1:18:07 "Agatha All Along" Trailer Reaction
1:27:01 "Deadpool Vs Wolverine" Speculation
1:35:43 Questions and Comments from the Chat
1:54:44 Closing Thoughts
1:55:59 Outro
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If Script Doctor was alone, locked inside a telephone box, he’d still find someone to disagree with. Lol.
The Andor argument reminds me of a quote from Jaavik in Mass Effect 3 "Stand among the ghosts of a billion dead and ask the ghosts how much your honor matters. Their silence is your answer"
Padme was still down after Anakin admitted he slaughtered tusken men, women and children.
@@gathrawn1234 Padme a freak confirmed.
Verbal Riot looks more like a proper version of Blade (based on the comics not the films) than anyone Hollywood would hire in today's-times.
I talked to my friend about the acolyte and he said he likes it because in his words “it’s just something to throw on in the background while he cleans the house.” That’s not good. Star Wars is better than that. It should be appointment television. Not treated like a sitcom that we’ve watched over and over.
Is Badger the one who started this whole thing about the Black Series helmet? I know Gore told Gary @Nerdrotic about it. It's not a Haslab project though, it's not even an exclusive. It might have sold out on Hasbro's site, but it's available at multiple other retailers. Haslabs have to get a certain # of backers to even be produced, so there's no way that helmet could be a current campaign if it's due to ship in a matter of months. Actually, they've got a cantina playset campaign running that ends tonight, and it's been funded. Imagine that, OT stuff being profitable.
Not defending the show or the helmet or anything, just clarifying the facts.
@ioncewasmikey I was gonna post this as well. The helmet has not sold out because it's a pre order for a product that doesn't come out for another year and a half so who's to say they just didn't set the pre order goal laughably low so they could say it has sold out. I'm getting tired of badger just saying unverified news bits so he can rile people up.
@CorporalJenkins1 Yeah, I'm not surprised if it's sold out on Hasbro's site because most things typically "sell out" on there before other online retailers. A lot of times the stuff will come back in stock too, either as a preorder or once the item has been released. It's kind of surprising to me that out of all these guys across multiple streams, nobody seems to know about this stuff. I get it, I'm sure most of them have no interest in buying current Star Wars merch, but Badger even said he collects Black Series figures so I feel like he'd be more informed at least. I also think that the cantina playset's success would be a stronger talking point regarding the overall health of the brand. If you look at what Star Wars Haslabs have been successful, it's clear that the OT is still where the money is. I haven't seen a ton of Badger so I can't speak to him giving incorrect info on other things like you said, but it just seems like someone, anyone, should do some research before they run with something like that.
The witches overdosed on spice Kool-aid... duh...
In Andor there aren't 2 factions, the rebels are still to be born and it's what Luthen is trying to achieve pulling together all the minor factions that can have different goals, from separatist, unionist, scoundrels, common people of planets under the same mantle of the rebellion. Telling the rebels are keen to sacrifice people is false, Luthen is and knows he's damned for that with an expiration date. He's an anti-hero with a bad ending coming, but Ferrix has many heroes on the rise.
Not sure if this debate is about Andor the show or Rogue One. It may have been missed by some here but Andor learns his methods are not the way during the movie of Rogue One. It becomes the hero of the traditional fantasy sense at the end of Rogue One
I am showing up as an Archbishop providing "Indulgences" for those whose souls are tainted.
Andor does something that was established in Rogue One.
The rebellion was very different until the Death Star existed - at that point the Death Star is the transition into the space opera and a Rebellion built on hope.
Now, whether you like that narrative transition is up to you.😂
In a way the best character in Rogue One is the Rebellion and irs transition pre to post Death Star.
shout out to Voltron: The legendary Defender. They do exactly what verbal riot complains about. they have their own measurement of time. Vargas, ticks, dobashes, etc. Show is an absolute must watch and is a 10
Great panel, great stream: Thank You Guys! 👍👍👏
Any day with RMB is a good day :D
Great show guys. Loved it.
I hardcore agree with Verbal Riot about the actions of the Rebellion. Idk how people believe good guys wouldnt do bad things to get to good means........my guy, let me introduce you to the most successful rebellions in the history of the world. To protect a spy who is giving the rebellion a head start and vital information to survive over a battalion of 50 men is prime general shit. Just remember that we k ow Star Wars for the people who were to make to the ceremony to wear the medals. Andor is about the people that are VITAL to the cause that know they will be the ones not present.
Andor it is blurring the line in fantasy and reality of our wars. The Clone Wars series had an arc where the clones killed Jedi General Four Arms because he didn't care about how many clones died to achieve his victory - OT was fairly black and white while Andor shows the grey and it was refreshing to have a series NOT Jedi focused
Yeah that was a major part of Rogue One even. Heck, Andor kills his informant to avoid the risk of him being captured & ratting in the scene Andor is introduced to us. Maybe in a very OT purist sense there's no room for that in Star Wars, but if it's done well (and I think RO & Andor were) then it's very believable.
@@aleccampbell7707wasn't Four Arms revealed to have gone to the dark side though? It's been years so I could definitely be mistaken.
Cassian admitted in R1 hes not proud of everything he did, but he was willing to sacrifice his own life for the greater good - keep that in mind.
Great panel!
The audience score is back.
On the topic of Andorra and killing of a fellow rebel, George Lucas gave us the perfect examples of how rebels would deal with this. In Empire Strikes Back, Luke's snowspeeder gets shot down. He tried desperately to get Dack out of the ship, unfortunately he couldn't before the AT-AT crushed the speeder. When Luke was lost in the snow the rebels wanted to go after him but couldn't because of the temperature dropping at night. It was with regret they closed the doors. The Rebels had a "leave no man behind" mentality. I haven't watched Andor, but I enjoyed Rogue One, but I hated the scene where Cassian killed a fellow rebel.
IMHO, he wasnt a rebel, it was a paid informant providing information to whomever would be interested to pay. It was clear Cassian was not happy with what he did, but if the stormies got them, the guy would tell them anything on Cassian and then Cassian would be tortured to get all intel he has - baaaaad outlook
I still see the 14% audience score for Acolyte.
I very much doubt he made up the twrn gear porn - its been around forever .
Great stream, good to see Ser Knee get the invite again, good day and morrow.
@CallMeChato how the witches died? In an OSHA violation carbon monoxide poisoning. Twins job as kids was changing the batteries in the CO detector but the shrill voices of the covenant drowned out the constant beeping - end scene 24 style beeps all the witches on floor CO detector red light on, but the twins were taught Dark Side = red = good.
😆😆😆😆
Oh man, now I'd like to see a (good) "24 style" Star Wars haha
great show!!! ⚡⚡⚡
It's the most talked about series because of the utter crap it is. People are actually amazed of how stupid the writing is. You end up watching just to find out how stupid it could get!
Omg what about muh fantasy I want all Star Wars to be the same and morally uncomplicated. No, Star Wars is not a limited franchise what makes you say that?
Dante seriously needs to turn his microphone down. My speaker wants to jump off the table every time he speaks.
Yes every stream always has that one TOO loud (not even yelling) person - Nate the Lawyer, Dante, WDW Pro
Very much so. And he would use it to just talk loud over others until the other stopped talking. Got a little annoying.
@@lostcause78 Exactly. Bugs me to no end when people talk over others or just start talking before someone finishes.
1st rule of not getting hacked: if something unexpectedly pops up, check the url.
I knew it, it was Manny bothans all along😂
@12:18
Alan, it could shrink back into his peritoneal cavity.
Verbal riot now looks like captain sisko badass 🫡
"Yes, I will rule you one day, Khflash Gordon."
People are paying to watch The Acolyte?
Chris eating the popcorn haha 👌
Its written for the shippers.
At least at 1:19:28 , there's a quick glimpse at what the *real* Agatha (from the comicbooks) looked like from 1970 all the way until "Marvel went stupid". Most people don't know Agatha 's character began wayyyyyyyy back in Fantastic Four 94, and looked about 94 years old, too. I used to own that issue of FF (it was quite well written and entertaining).
There is a simple and obvious answer to every confusing decision the "writers" of these shows seemed to have made. Humans didn't write it. AI did. Humans did some quick post writing edits to save money, and then they slapped some visuals to it with mediocre actors and VFX. After that they have sat around laughing at people like you who are doing their job for them.
The heads of Disney/Lucasfilm exist in an ATTENTION economy now, not a profit driven one. They make money based on stock value, not dollars coming through the door. Your constant attention to these shows on social media is making them super wealthy, even though they are pumping out absolute garbage. That is why they love trolling you. The more commotion you make online, the richer they get.
Chris Gore is a national treasure.
👍👏
Dante from Verbal Riot just went up the list of good panelists in this show.
Imagine if the rebels were just super good guys then everytime some of them gets captured and interrogated they'll just give away information just to save their comrades lives 😅
Some mics are way two load. Felt like i was getting a good telling off.
Marvel is speed running the whole "series starting off on a good note then immediately nose diving after 2 episodes" 😂😂😂. I didn't even have to start this series to see that it's gonna have a good first episode then go completely off the rails.
Manny sith is meddling with this group of people because the twins are special , much like the plapatine , anakin dynamic. The showrunners wanted to establish special girls (in place of special boys). Thats why manny sith isnt in coruscant or wherever else.
Geeks & Gamers have done video on this!!!!
Don't agree with Scrip Doctor; Superman had NO choice but to kill Zod who said that he would never stop. Zod has the same power as Superman, so this power won't run out. 💣
Chris making and munching popcorn 😂😂
I'm getting the feeling that the writers want to explore female rape fantasies in this show, which is particularly bothersome if it is supposed to be for children.
Wondered what happened to RMB.
What do you mean
@MegaUtube99 he's been missing from his channel for quite a while
@Joe-hh8gd might be that audio drama he's working on. Sounds like a lot of work.
@@ioncewasmikey Thats what I assumed. But then, even scheduled shows listed as coming...didn't on the day, including two physical media dates. But I see there's a new Robservation up, so he's back.
Hey, a new Verses! Oh, script Doctor is on the panel… I’ll skip this one. Kathleen Kennedy is the franchise killer and script doctor is the RUclips panel killer.
12:45 Angry Badger remembers last Vs. all too well. I love it haha
Was a bit petty, but Script did interrupt him mid sentence so I'm alright with it lol
@@lostcause78 it's entertaining lol
Dante's microphone makes this show unbearable to listen. I have started to mute or close the tab every time Dante speaks.
Luke is in his underwear in the bacta tank.
Agatha, another ride in Disney's FeministLand. Ugh.
Superman has defeated Zod without killing him before.
In the context of Zack Snyder's movie, tell us HOW he would have accomplished that?
@@Age_of_Apocalypse how much of the plot would I get to change? I'd really start by not greenlighting anything involving Zack Snyder if I was in that position.
@@gathrawn1234 You didn't answer my question, not even close. You should consider a career in politics.
By the way, Zack Synder's Superman movie was very good, much better than what we're gonna get from James Gunn.
@Age_of_Apocalypse you're very defensive over a very poor film in a very bad franchise. It's not an unsolvable math problem. I simply asked where can I start making the changes to go somewhere else with the plot. Or are you saying Superman has Zod in the headlock. And i have to change from that point to fix that POS. Come on. Relax and get some taste in movies.
Script and DA arguing reminded about the ridiculously stupid opening crawl to Revenge of the Sith. “heroes on both sides!” Let’s face it, Star Wars got stupid after ROTJ and hasn’t recovered since. The only stories that aren’t stupid are the overly gritty depressing ones.
The sense of adventure, joy and fun are lost. It’s dreary and unspirational at it’s best moments. Which I will take over stupid any day.
All they had to do was replace the wooden Diego Luna who has the charisma of cold oatmeal with a force sensitive character, and Andor would have been the best thing since the OT.
I've been thinking of that very line recently. I don't think it's necessarily trying to say there are "good guys" on both sides. A hero doesn't absolutely have to be fighting for the right cause. I think George might have meant that there were standouts on both sides who achieved great feats for their respective sides. But maybe it was just to introduce the theme of "from my point of view, the Jedi are evil." That's very possible too.
I wouldn't say the prequels were dreary or uninspiring though. They were all full of creative new characters, creatures & environments. Lots of fun & adventure & maybe even some joy in there at certain moments. I'd agree that in the Disney era, we have received very little if anything that is imaginative or creative, though.
@@ioncewasmikey I have no trouble with the concept of both sides having champions. It’s the execution as usual that is the problem. Stupid sentence and it doesn’t belong where it is. Particularly since in the entire movie we see no heroes on the other side.
@Princess_Feona Well, the crawl also directly names 2 of the heroes on the other side of the conflict & each of their accomplishments- Dooku right before the sentence in question & Grievous immediately after. I'm not sure what placement would be better? I'd also argue that most of the 6 crawls have some element or another that isn't directly portrayed on screen. Just as we don't see Dooku capture Palpatine but we see that he has been captured, we don't see the Rebels steal the Death Star plans but we see that they are in possession of those plans. I won't argue that the prequels were perfectly executed because I don't think they were, but I don't personally see an issue with the sentence in question or its placement. It's pulpy just like the rest of the crawls.
Disagree about Diego. He was a great fit for an operative/spy - he should look like an average guy that blends in with a skill set that surprises. I hope Andor S2 will have the same level as S1.
@@ondrejm5042 in real life maybe. But not good for a show. James Bond would be unassuming in real life. It’s the age old challenge of how to portray boredom without boring your audience.
Minutes is used in A New Hope. "Death star approaching. Estimated time to firing range 15 minutes"
King Arthur and his Knights are the good guys...Mordred and his mother the bad guys, very simple and archetypal but to the woke wanksters, it's the opposite
I wish it wasn't the most talked about anything. It's ruining live streams for me.
I miss when Versus had interesting conversations in relation to the previous week. Now, its just The Acolyte every single week. Who cares about that show. Who cares about Star Wars. It’s dead. We won. Lets move on.
No. We haven't won until they make right with Gina and we see consistently acceptable Star Wars again. I will forever rage against this infernal machine until change occurs. If you don't have the stones for it you weren't much of a fan in the first place afaic.
Ignoring them just allows them to slowly indoctrinate people (especially kids) with their extremist ideologies and gradually replace the fandom. It's bad for society.
It's about THE PRINCIPLE.
"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight online, we shall fight on the social medias and streaming sites, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the airwaves. We shall defend our fandom, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight with our boycotts, we shall fight in the comments, we shall fight in the forums and in the streets, we shall fight with the shills. We shall never surrender."
--Winston Churchill (if he were a alive and a Star Wars fan, probably)
Git gud DEIsney/Lickassfilm or keep gitting rekt. Ball's in your court.
32:27 Paul, Han isn't fixing the Falcon because Rey's there to bypass the oppressor! 😅
This would be a good show if it wasn't moatly about this shit show!
They been making movie's and tv shows bad for years..and pulling the same card ,blaming the fans every show that comes out has the same excuse
More watch the Acolyte than Blandor, and that’s laughably getting a second season.
They aren't watching it cuz it's good lol. Ffs the only reason ppl are talking about it is cuz of how abysmal it is and there's literally nothing else to watch besides HOTD right now.
Just because there is ppl talking doesn't mean what they are saying is good and the few idiots hate-watching, throwing away their money supporting a failed studio, doesn't mean sh*t in the grand scheme of things.
The headline spin is, as usual, just DEIsney putting lipstick on another one of their pigs...
"Script Doctor": Another "That's NOT a Superman movie." STFU.😭
Film Threat, DO NOT bring him back.
For supposedly being a "script doctor", heroes make painful sacrifices. Even Luke went to kill himself in Empire. Andor has been the only mature Disney show so far. Grow up, man.
l like Script Doctor if - often - I don't agree with this takes.
Yeah I cringed really hard at that part.
Yes in works of fiction idealistic heroes could maintain the high road even at impossible odds, that's what makes them special.
That's why Han, Luke, and Leah are special. But the rebels aren't only Han, Luke, and Leah and not everyone can be like Han, Luke, and Leah.
The mainline movies explore the heroes doing heroic deeds, but not everything in a massive universe has to be nor can be an entire galactic population doing fantastic heroic deeds.
More proof to what Mauler said, StarWars can never grow up.
Even anime grew out of the "only rainbow and sparkles good guys" phase and managed to produce works that delve in the nitty gritty of reality while maintaining heroic values and optimism.
Andor is very overrated.
How man hundreds of hours do we need to repeat the same mantra of Star Wars is dead? I mean come on. Acolyte, Acolyte, Acolyte , Acolyte. Talk about something else .
They purposely made the show bad and they you tubers act like they can't see it..if none of them talked about it..things would change
Because they love the acolyte like everyone else
I find it like a focus of... do better next time
@calfowler6838 How would that work? I disagree, but I'm interested to hear what you think. I don't think these guys talking about it generates revenue for Disney. It's not even in the top 10 for original programming from these streaming sites, it fell off that list with 2 episodes left. People aren't tuning in to D+ to see how bad it is, not in any significant number anyway. Instead, we watch these guys tear it apart. I think we find some solace in seeing how bad it is & laughing. Ahsoka & Acolyte have finally let me separate Disney Star Wars from the Star Wars I knew & love.
But to OP's comment, I am looking forward to it being over in a couple weeks.
@@ioncewasmikey it’s just very entertaining to see and analyze Disney’s fall. I can see people getting tired of the same issue, it’ll go away and only the memes will stay. Cmon how can’t you not see the entertainment from busting the “power of manyyyy, aayayyayyy” or the campfire in space or osha passing out and waking in another planet lol, it’s very funny. And yes there’s people that incompetent and Disney gave them a job.
Btw Diego Luna sucks so it keeps away a lot of people away from andor. If he wasn’t there I would have watched it.
paul chato, no thanks, not watching this
Script is wrong, the thinking is childish.
@@nesteph no arguments mentioned