Board Wipe Tier List for Commander | Which Board Wipes are the Best?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- We're ranking the most played board wipes in the format, tier-list style! Which wrath effects will make it to the coveted "S" tier and which ones are stuck in the "Poop" tier? You have to watch to find out!
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Farewell is easily an S tier board wipe. The fact of having the choice of any number of the 4 options is what pushes it there
I love farewell! I think beezy is crazy comparing it to austere command
@@NitpickingNerds EXACTLY! It’s nothing like austere command! Four choices AND exile for the same price! It’s no contest!
YEP.
Each of the four things it hits are relevant, and widely enough relevant that at least one is always going to be nice to have.
And the ability to tailor it to as many as you want is just amazing.
Add to that it sends things to exile, this is an S tier board wipe
@@siobhangraham7280 factor in that it is 6 mana
@@mayonnaiseablaze9745 Yeah I know the cost. That doesn't make it bad - the best board wipe around is 7 CMC.
There's a lot of rocks in EDH that really smooth out mana, and make 6 CMC not a big deal
I personally really like In Garruk's Wake. It's one-sided but still feels fair in low power levels because of the high mana cost, and money-wise it's affordable with my very limited disposable income.
It’s cool in low power
OIC....
I like to cast it for 2 mana with titans nest and giggle as my friends scoop their cards
9 mana is just too much in our opinion. I never play that card personally
Way too much mana
Living Death, Evacuation, and Great Aurora were a few notable cards missing from this that Id be curious on your rankings. Notably because I play Great Aurora in my lands deck because of a video where you guys talked about it. Also I know you guys loooove living death and so do I, it always overperforms whenever I cast it
Yeah. 100% agree that Living Death and Evacuation should have been on here.
I don't really see The Great Aurora as a board wipe though
Living death is amazing! Being a wincon and a boardwipe
I really missed Hour of Revelation. A 3 mana destroy all boardwipe seems very good.
Hour of rev is great tbh
It is great especial in control list!
agree!! this card is so insane, cheap, and very underplayed IMO
Imho, the Hour is Strange, because it’s hard to play around it.
Wrath’s are really good, then they are in some way asymmetrical, its not a good idea to waste a turn, solving the board problem. Just to allow your opponents to rebuild first.
For example, Creature-Wrath’s are good, when your board is not that-affected by them (if your commander is prismatic bridge, theros gods, planeswalkers etc), while your opponent board is.
I’d personally run Hour in some heavy-Landfall list’s, simply because it doesn’t harm my mana, while destroying opponents mana rocks and dorks.
But i don’t really see any other place to run it
Hour of Revelation is better than a lot of the board wipes on this list... 3 mana only almost guarantees you're the first one out of the gates or you can plan ahead and respond to it to make it one sided... I think they are trolling a bit with these lists by missing cards on purpose lol.
I think Verdict is underrated by you guys because, yes any spell can be countered. But specifically in EDH, board wipes are pretty much the premier target for counterspells, especially for the player in the lead. A board wipe being uncounterable comes up a lot more often because more players would want those kinds of cards countered.
Well a boardwipe can actually benefitor hurt more then 1 player, a targeted removal is against one player, I think that's also a reason why you don't see targeted removal get countered that often. Because not everyone cares.
Supreme Verdict's niche is if the deck with counterspells is somehow running away with creatures, or a control player is out to get you killed. Most of the time when a control player is at the table unless they need one of their creatures for a future combo is more then happy to let a boardwipe resolve instead of countering it.
Highly doubt the deck playing counterspells is going to have a board state thats better than someone else. Maybe Kykar (the bird that makes tokens on spell cast) would counter a board wile, but really, what other popular deck has an abundance of creatures and counterspells
We rated the card at B which I think is fair considering it is pretty standard in that it is 4 mana destroy all creatures:
Missed the mark. Supreme Verdict wins as many games as Cyc Rift because it's uncounterable.
Toxic Deluge, Cyclonic Rift, Blasphemous Act, those will always be the top 3 in Commander
Now to add Vanquish the Hoard to that list, an arguably better B-Act.
@@ReoRayearth27 I think B-Act has more options to be one sided. Teferi's, Heroic intervention, and Akroma's Will stop both of them, but you can play around with stuff like vigor, overwhelming stampede, craterhoof, or similar effects to make it more of a one sided board wipe where as VTH is just destroy.
Just wait untill they print a boardwipe that also lets you tutor for something and gains you 20 life for 3 mana. On instant speed ofcourse.
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Cyclonic, isn't that good, it's more often then not just a win more card.
Cleansing nova’s niche is now creature-heavy decks with green and white that don’t rely on many artifacts/enchantments. I’ve got it in my Kyler deck right now and I think that’s it. I’ve probably chosen the second mode half the time there.
Agreed! I play a lot of Selesnya and Bant and I actually think it's very powerful in those decks. Basically any deck I'd put Collector Ouphe in, I'd play Cleansing Nova.
Ngl, that still doesn’t sound super great. You’re already playing Farewell and Austere command?
@@emerson685 Stop the artifact nonsense! Collector Ouphe/Null Rod 2024
@@joe.5103 yes to austere command, no to farewell. I’ve got vanquish the horde in there as the only other wipe. Farewell I just put in Osgir because it has 0 enchantments and I can sac my board before exiling everyone else’s, but not sure I want it anywhere else. The best thing it does is exiling graveyards but I usually want to keep my own graveyard, so I’ll stick to hating graveyards other ways that can pinpoint or just hit opponents
@@mfitkin well I think osgir is a bad place for it as you play a lot of artifacts
And I gotta disagree. Meathook Massacre is amazing. It's an average at best boardwipe, but it's an enchantment. You can play it and not kill anything and it will still do a lot.
But it cost a lot - you need to spend like 7-10 mana to board-wipe all.
Say that again, but slowly...its an average...at best...boardwipe...
Its a boardwipe review...
as a boardwipe its not the best, as a blood artist effect, it's pretty good. both together makes it a bit nuts. i'm surprised they didnt put massacre girl on the list. fantastic boardwipe imo
Yes, in Aristocrat style decks where you're sacrificing alot anyways. Which was their point: in decks that can take advantage of everything it offers to the fullest (like Aristocrat decks) it's probably A-S tier. But they're looking at its inclusion as a boardwipe in ANY deck that can run it, which drags it down a bit since there'll be decks that can't use it to the fullest and it becomes a high costed boardwipe, and so they gave it a B (which is still very good, I mean look at the company it's keeping there).
And note they still rated it the best X mana cost boardwipe.
It’s expensive. And, if players can’t stop most would scoop unless player can bounce back.
As an Avacyn player I love how basically every set adds a white boardwipe
I'm just waiting for a white "unable to be exiled" card to stop all these new exiling boardwipes like indestructible used to help with.
@@Halsfield Teferi’s Protection
@@Halsfield I'll still rift it
I play All is Dust in my Eldrazi deck. But outside of that I would have a hard time finding a home for it.
I have a colorless deck built around ghirapur that likes all is dust.
It's a boss in tergrid
That is mono red enchantment removal.
It's pretty damn useful in all variants of the Grixis colours. You know, where good mass removal might be hard to find, especially against enchantments.
I play it on omnath locust of mana and kruphix god of horizons. It's great in both
I feel like by invitation only is one of those underrated board wipes because of the way it's interpreted. When you cast the card most people try to use that time on the stack to sacrifice their field to help their boardstate afterwards. But that means you don't even need to boardwipe anymore cause your opponents did it for you! Then you can sit back and relax, and watch the table get salty as you choose zero and keep your board.
Never thought about that - this is straight up genius
Meathook's price makes me sad. I'm really hoping that after it rotates out the price crashes so I can finally run it in my budget Teysa deck.
Its 100% tanking after it rotates out of standard, its price rn is because its one of the best black wipes they have atm. Im just gonna wait till then and instant buy.
@@spideysquestionablyusedcha5069 I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious how much standard really drives paper prices, since my understanding is standard is dead in paper. Is this being used in other formats maybe?
@@CodeIguana Maybe so yeah, but im not too sure myself. Meathook is a great card, but as they state, not a 50$ card. In commander, black has many better board wipes, so i'd play it for the enchantment effects really, and idk about other formats, given commander is the most popular by far. Its so perplexing.
do you have a decklist on teysa karlov to check out?
It's amazing in modern too, I have a Modern deck that uses a brutal combination of Scute Swarm and Meathook Massacre. I predict that the value will hold
I just don’t understand no one talks about hour of revelation I have had it in a deck for 3 years I have never cast it for 6 I have never
had it in my hand when I could not cast it for 3 it’s literally always 3 white pips destroy all non-land permanents. Mono white and 2 color I would highly recommend it.
hour of revelation is underrated
You left, "Last One Standing" off the list. 3 mana board wipe with a slight down side.
It’s so cool
One of the all star boardwipes
No love for Descend Upon the Sinful? Exile-board wipe and get a (chunky) body after if you have delirium.
Meathook is fine because you can tune its power down if you want to keep your stuff alive at that moment or just kill specific things like weak token spam, and even without the wipe for just two mana you are getting an enchantment that functions similarly to other two mana aristocrat pieces like Blood Artist or Zulaport Cutthroat. Still a solid card for the mana cost if you don't care how expensive it is. I think of it less as a boardwipe centric card and more of an aristocrat piece with optional boardwipe capacity when needed or wanted. Plan to get one for my Beledros deck, it would just add to the fun (and because he can turn its power up in a pinch, so it goes well with him).
I think Meathook Massacre is honestly deserving of it's price tag, as it's just as good as toxic deluge if not better in black decks, where producing 40 black mana in a turn is pretty common at higher power level tables. And it has the aristocrat effect stapled on making it even better. If you don't have the life to pay then toxic deluge is a dead card in hand, but meathook will never be a dead card as long as one builds their deck correctly with plenty of mana efficiency. I run meathook in my Meren and every single time I've cast meathook, it's won the game. Every. Single. Time. It's such a good card. It got it's price tag not just because of standard, but because it's an incredibly powerful board wipe that sticks around and provides an extra effect. It's so good. 😆
Guys, Winds of Abandon I'm telling you! Solid B card, and you didn't even rate it? Way better than Merciless Eviction.
I personally think its higher than B. That card has served me well in any deck that runs white.
@@randallstanaway7846 I say B because it’s not ideal situationally. When it’s good it’s S, if you have a board state and can take advantage. But if you need a reset and are behind on board you’re probably not helping yourself by ramping everyone else.
I have a fondness for Necromantic Selection. It’s very expensive but you can save your best creature (or your opponent’s best creature) and use it to get a head start on rebuilding. Saving a commander that costs four mana (which would actually cost six if it gets CZd) suddenly makes the res effect really useful.
It's such a great card. Wiping the board and stealing your opponent's commander feels so good.
I have just started watching, but i imagine mutilate being a B =Buildaround wich is the best qualifier for it, cause you need a heavy black or mono black to have it good, regardless im hyped cause i just ordered black cards for a mono black Syr Konrad Edh to tune up a little bit
It is not ot the video
@@masterale10 I also play it in my Vito deck over Damnation. It's really good in mono black as it gets through Indestructible just like Toxic Deluge.
Mutilate is just as good as damnation most of the time (the 'cant be regenerated' doesnt come up too often), I'm also fan of Dead of Winter, I don't see anyone playing it but if youre willing to invest in snowlands, then it is essentially 3 mana destroy all creatures. Dead of winter is under a dollar, though the cost really comes from spending 1$ per snow covered swamp for your deck/ I play syr Konrad aswell, do you have a decklist I could take a look at?
@@pizzapm no, but i've been thinking of uploading my decks to moxfield so, this wknd ima start that, and comment the link over here
Uhmmm. You guys missed some of my favorite wipes. Blood on the Snow, Doomskar, Masacre Girl, Terminus, Jokulhaups, Martial Coup, Kaya’s Wrath, Bontu’s Last Reckoning, Flood of Tears, Black Sun’s Zenith, Life’s Finale, Nevinyrral’s Disk, Oblivion Stone, Mutilate. So so many enough for a whole other video :)
No. Just no on the Jokulhaups.
@@noahcarroll4944 big agree
And Path of Peril
@@Dark-Pikachu1 Eh, I don't feel like Path of Peril is on the same level as Jokulhaups. One is an infuriating card, the other is a mediocre card
Too low on All is Dust, IMO. That's an instant game winner for colorless decks.
Yea but it sucks everywhere else
@@elipetrou9308 tergrid... its devastating in tergrid
@@jaredhuckstep20 true, but again, still very niche
@@elipetrou9308 without a doubt...
@@elipetrou9308 Eh, it's runnable it literally every deck. It's not as niche as you think. At worst, it's a standard board wipe (unless you're facing a colorless deck). And in the right circumstance, it's an instant win. It's really good.
Farewell is A+ to me- exile gets around indestructible and also has graveyard hate. Super friends? Choose all modes. Enchantments - All modes but enchantments. Creature deck and taxes got you down- choose all modes except creature.
Have won with this card a dozen times already
Farewell is A+/S - in my book.
Planar collapse has been a sleeper hit for me. So good with enchantment synergies, makes your opponents plays really awkward if you can get it down early enough so it doesn't trigger, love it
It's also hilarious with hall
Love planar collapse especially with graveyard retrieval
A little surprised that the list wasn't broken down more. Cards like Duneblast, Doomsday, Blood on the Snow, Hour of Revelation, In Garruk's Wake, etc. I mean you included Fumigate.
If Wrath of God is a B, Day of Judgement is too, because when's the last time you saw someone use Regenerate?
"How often does the can't be countered text matter?" If I had a nickel for every time I board wiped as a saving throw and it got countered I would be Jeff Bezos rich. But that might just be my playgroup a-holes
As someone returning to MTG after 25 years... this list made me so happy... I love board wipes.
Where would you put Winds of Abandon? I enjoy playing this card even though I think it's B tier.
TERMINUS is my personal favorite in Aminatou, Miracle make it so good at one mana to get rid of everything.
A note on Chandra’s ignition, it’s got crazy synergy with lifelink, deathtouch, curiosity effects, aegar the freezing flame, etc…
22:22 "But the payoff is incredible, you get an effect that there is no where else in Magic"....well as a mono Black Artifact player I feel you guys forgot to mention Vandalblast and Hurkyl's Recall. These cards are SO DEVASTATING against artifact decks that it's not even funny. And the worst part about it is that are cheap, accessible and very common cards that offer INCREDIBLE versatility for virtually no drawbacks. Imagine Ruinous Ultimatum and Cyclonic Rift but instead of costing 7 mana costed 5 and 2 respectively with only 1 peep of color each and castable as instants...plus Valdalblast has the added bonus of having the versatility to be cast as a single target removal for 1 mana aswell. I really hate the design of these cards, so unfair and unbalanced, both should be banned.
I love resolving Ezuri's Predation while Vigor is out.
This is a win con in my Adrix and Nev, Twincasters deck- makes Ezuri’s Predation even better when you get double the tokens from A/N’s trigger, you can stack the triggers so that only the first half that resolve even have to fight, and then Vigor on top of it?! Please. Follow that up with an End Raze Forerunners and nobody is stopping you
Ezuri' Predation while Terror of the Peaks is out is also glorious
Or Garruk's Packleader. So much draw.
10 months later, just built my aristocrats deck with elas-il lot at the helm, and I can't find a the meathook massacre for under $60CAD and it's been banned in standard for almost as long as this video was made. It's such a good card for my deck but I don't want to pay that much for it when it shouldn't be that much. I also run about 6 board wipes as ways to close the game off my death triggers when I don't have sacrifice outlets.
All is dust is great in helping out mono colored decks as well. To deal with stuff they normally cant deal with.
Joe is 100% correct about Farewell being miles beyond better than Austere Command. I mean it's not even close. Besides the Exile, what makes it better is it does everything Austere Command can do, except better. Command only hits up to 2 things while Farewell hits up to 4 types and its your choice in combination what to get rid of at the time. You could hit 1 thing or 3 things, or 4 things. The versatility is way beyond better than Command.
Hour of Revelation almost always gets cast for 3 mana and pulls a lot of weight, and I never see it get mentioned. I've cast it turn 4 to cripple my opponents setup and I've cast it turn 10 to save my butt, it always performs
I use Winds of Abandon, even though it's not that great. Essentially the fact that it exiles everything that's not yours, presumably you use it when you know you can win that turn.
My favorite boardwipes are the ones you cast from the command zone. child of alara and nevinyrral are crazy good especially with command beacon effects 😈
What do you guys think of winds of abandon? I think it could be S tier if it didnt ramp your opponents so hard. Still pretty good if you can win on the next turn or so. Or if your opponents only play a few basics.
And did i miss toxic deluge? Pretty spicy in commander when you can easily pay a bunch of life , and then its a 3mana board wipe that cant be stopped by indestructible or protection from black.
First view
If you could keep the card up on the screen while talking about it, I think it would be helpful. Even if you shrink it a bit and move it to the far right below your lovely faces. =)
So, I was watching your Tier list of EDH staples like an hour ago, and I left a comment saying, "we need more tier lists", and my wish was your command. Thank you for reading my future mind when you recorded this segment 🙌 🙏
I put this tier list in poop tier for excluding half of existing board wipes in the game.
You often stated that card “A” wasn’t quite as good as card “B” so you weren’t playing it. You also want at least 2, and probably 3, board wipes in all your decks, so there is room for all those other cards.
Edit: Not really a Board Wipe but an awesome one sided effect is Whelming Wave in a Sea Creatures deck. Empty board for one turn and everything has to be recast. It’s been a sweeeet card for me.
I run Merciless Eviction because my playgroup loves to run consistent mass indestructible, making normal board wipes difficult sometimes. Looking at you, Sliver Queen deck
Please change it for farewell, it’s literally better in every single way
@@elipetrou9308 lol. I absolutely will once I have a copy. I didn't open it out of the packs I got. Money's a bit tight at the moment though, so it will be a while before I buy singles again
@@pokemastericon fair enough, good luck
Where would you put hour of revelation?
Blasphemous act is my favorite board wipe of all time, but I might be biased because I play Ill-Tempered Loner. Wasiest way to make a board wipe into a win-con, and a great deterrent to others at the table.
I'm here looking for good board wipes for nethroi. I get all my 0/0 etb with +1/+1 counters back anyways so why not destroy my stuff to destroy everything
Chain Reaction 2 tiers above Cleansing Nova doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I feel like tragic arrogance is best in a meta where your opponent’s decks don’t have high card diversity. At least in my meta all my opponents only have one to two really powerful enchantments and artifacts in their decks. So when I cast this and I have to let them keep one still really good card.
Damn surprised you didn’t talk about living death. Easy S tier.
I think tragic arrogance is low financially because it allows your opponents to keep some of their cards which allows them to rebuild faster
In before Vanquish the Horde S tier!
Edit: To answer Beezy on Farewell, the cards absolutely ridiculous. If you control the board its a tidal wave that just helps you win. Played a game with my pod with one of our members playing Coven Counters and they cast Farewell. Since they had the best board state by far in terms of big beefy creatures they wiped out all artifacts, enchantments and graveyards and just started throwing haymakers left and right and no one in the game could recover. Its a wipe that can easily become your win condition depending on how its played.
You guys are right about Tragic Arrogance. I've been running it since magic origins, and I think I might've seen two whole other games since then where someone else used it
I play time wipe and my yorion deck and it’s GREAT there. I want a way to retrigger the ETB anyways so bouncing it to my hand, destroying everything, and eventually replaying it to flicker all of my artifacts and enchantments is awesome
I really wish you guys mentioned Winds of Abandon, I feel like it is criminally underrated
For me, subjectively. Farewell is S and Cyclonic is poop =)
All is dust gets around indestructible, hexproof, and shroud. I used to only play colorless artifacts but now i play mono blue but still mostly colorless deck and I love it. Easy A tier assuming its one sided
MIA - Impact Tremors (better than Roiling Earthquake) and perhaps the Kaldheim one? (white foretell one)
impact tremors isn't a board wipe?
@@richrdp02 Oops completely meant Suberranean Tremors!
It's niche, but Urza's ruinous blast in sisay is quite fun
cyclonic rift is the best boardwipe in cedh also lol
Four missed boardwipes: hour of revelation, winds of abandon, oblivion stone, and perilous vault.
Hour of revelation: 3 white mana, destroy all nonland permenants.
Winds of abandon: 4 generic and 2 white mana, exile all creatures you don't own.
Oblivion stone: 8 mana, destroy all nonland permenants
Perilous vault: 9 mana, exile all nonland permenants.
Red and black have so much trouble dealing with enchantments for both Nd artifacts with black. Rackdos decks should be running these to blow up / exile them.
Green needs effective board wipes? Oblivion stone, all is dust, ugin, and perilous vault.
Hour of Revelation is just bananas as a panic button that resets the board. And winds of abandon is an asymmetric creature wipe that can also be used as a single target exile for just 2 mana.
Gaze of granite tho
Hi there! I just saw your channel and have been binging all of your content, thank you for sharing all of this information. I am a huge fan!
One of the videos, I just saw was the tier list of tribes. I am wondering if you could do a tier list within those tribes? Like for zombies who would you go with?
Ezuri's predation sounds like a fun card to add on my Grumgrully deck since it has some cards like Aether Charge and Warstorm Surge so it kinda turns into a win condition if there are enough creatures. Janky as hell but fun
Oh yeah that is just a wincon I love it!
Hey, I love your channel - thanks for the awesome info! As an old 4th Edition / Ice Age player returning to the game to play with my son, it really helps to hear you two go back and forth on the relative value of the cards, the play strategies, build strategies, etc. Also the ‘nitpicking’ on every detail is purely entertaining.
I have one suggestion that if you would consider doing it would make your channel a lot easier for us returning players to use. You make passing reference to a LOT of cards without showing them on screen, which means I need a second device always in hand to look up the cards you’re talking about. It’s funny because in this video, you actually took the time to put most of the cards on screen (at least the ones you were reviewing at that second), but throughout the video you took the cards down before you were done talking about them, so I’m having to constantly stop the video and go back a few second and pause to read (or re-read) the fine details of the card wording that you are commenting on. Would love to see you guys keep doing what you’re dining but anytime you refer to a card or a specific magic term, keep those details on screen!! Again, love what you’re doing!!
Totally off topic but was wondering if you ever thought about posting on the topic about how socially acceptable it is at the table to play with expensive cards. When you put down an expensive card like OG duals or a mana crypt is it flexing on a "rude" level. Does it cause the other players to resent another player?
👌❤ Love the video. Isn't Blood on the Snow good for Mono Black? A revival jutsu for creatures and any Liliana you might have laying around plus a boardwipe at the same time? It seems worthwhile to test it out.
I'd rank Blasphemous Act a little lower. If an opponent has a creature that it doesn't kill you basically just gave them a huge advantage.
The thing about blasphemous act being a boardwipe thats very cheap usually its the fact that after it you can inmediatly rebuild your own board faster than other wraths
In the same vein as Earthquake, Magmaquake is actually a pretty good boardwipe. It is instant speed, can be one sided if all your creatures fly and kills off planeswakers as a little bonus.
Or win cod with infinite mana but then I realize you might die to
how would you rank Hallowed Burial on the tier list? its a 5 mana boardwipe that gets around dies triggers. gets around indestructible, and makes the "destroyed" creatures unable to come back at a later point.
Toxic Deluge is easily one of my favorite cards in the game because it just feels so good to wipe the board for 3 mana. Blasphemous is obviously amazing and can cost less, but you can control deluge so much better.
As someone who plays mainly vampires (mardu) and zombies (dimir), I also happen to be super partial to meathook massacre. In both of those decks, it just multiplies the damage the opponent is already gonna take.
Yeah I'm losing 10 creatures, but with two of them being aristocrat drains and this, you're losing 30 life and I'm gaining 30. At least.
I haven't seen you guys disagree this much in so long. And it's about boards wipes 🤣🤣
I don’t get why you’re so hyped about Tragic Arrogance and Mythos of Snapdax, they get to keep stuff and maybe they even have only one creature full of hexproof and counters…situational as BEEP, put in in like C with the rest of the situational cards and Merciless Eviction isn’t poop just outclassed only lately with Farewell, however exile matters a ton in commander, have you played against a shrine deck? With all indestructible hexproof shrines and no way to remove em? Merciless Eviction used to be the only card I feared when putting my shrines out… name 1 other enchantment wipe that exiles besides ME and Farewell? Ok There’s Kalemne’s Captain and that’s it…
- All is Dust and Ugin are 100% great in mono-black as the only way to board wipe enchantments
- Chain reaction is the 2nd best wipe in mono-red and Gruul. Otherwise not good.
- Chandra’s Ignition was good years ago and it too risky with more and more decks having instant speed reactions. Unplayable imo.
- Fumigate is better than you guys think. Life matters in many casual battles and gaining 20+ life can make you win sometimes.
- Mythos of Snapdax is okay, not an A, because in those colors it’s worth than many other options (act, deluge…)
ok so all is dust is S rank, chuck 3 in your deck and one in your side board, why one in your sideboard? because spawnshire of ulamog 20 mana effect lets you play it from the side board!! 20 mana too much you say...eh ill have that in like 3 turns with a bunch of eldrazi spawn, you can pay 4 and get two of them with spawnshire and with shit like doubling season thats like the same as 4 treasure tokens for 4 mana! you get get even more inside with in it a green red treasure token get and just pump out a fuck ton of spawns and treasures, might as well throw shit like deadly dispute in to draw into your spawnshire then in like 3 turns of delaying drop the big 20 mana cost and BOOM you just played every eldrazi card you own from outside the game! you go from nothing to :oh look I have 20 colorless creatures with annihilator and you have NOTHING
Here’s the thing. Kytheon is a stupid name to give Gideon, and the reason they added it to the story is dumb. I don’t play tragic arrogance because the flavor sucks. If they just reprinted the card with different art and flavor text, I wouldn’t care. However, I intentionally cut cards like this because they’re artistically poop, and I will play worse cards with better art/flavor text (e.g. textless Day of Judgement)
I agree mostly with the list, but a sore-thumb mistake is definitely Austere Command. Joe is right to be high on Farewell, but it's addled his evaluation of Austere Command, which is still more or less on par with it, maybe a handful of spots lower. It should be in A tier or at least top of B tier, even if youre not in a meta that runs a ton of targets. These last two are less egregious because I get that they are meta dependent. I'm one of the people with an artifact/enchantment-heavy meta, and Cleansing Nova is definitely B tier for me. Ruinous Ultimatum has been bad every time I've drawn it becasue its uncastable if you're running a budget manabase. It would be a solid D for me.
I've done such a good job over the last 5 years of not being "that guy" when it comes to content videos. I cannot hold it in here...
Farewell is slam dunk S tier wipe and comparing it to Austere Command (a card that I LOVE!) is INSANITY!
Fun content and enjoyed the video though!
Austere command is not better than
all is dust. I think sacrifice is stronger and 1 more mana is justified because of this alone but I won't bash Austere command it can be one sided just like all is dust, but all is dust can be any deck and my eldrazi deck benefits greatly from it. Austere command doesn't cover indestructibility it's only versatility is that you can run Either low or high cmc primarily and white has no problem getting rid of enchantments that is a well explored versatility seen in white and green there are 5 colors 3/5 is out of luck unless ... world 🔥
I think you're underrating By invitation only. As soon as your deck can reliably have more creatures on board than the median, it's awesome. In white you often do.
Supreme verdict too. You usually keep counters for protecting your commander and/or your board. So you're waiting for it and oh! You can't counter it! For me it's an easy A. Just good.
Time wipe is poop to me.
Where is Terminus? It's a 2 mana wipe in certain decks and gets around indestructible. Akroma's Vengeance can cycle for 3 which makes it worth it. River's Rebuke is nice, Star of Extinction is expensive but can also nuke a problematic land. Black Sun's Zenith is a repeatable sweeper. There are a lot that are missed on this list.
Farewell is the king of board flippers (the MTG equivalent of flipping the monopoly board). They are in fact the sad strategy of weak players. I've maxed out my MTG arena rank every season since it's release and I've never used a board flippers.
I completely know the Cleave cost is outrageous but I love Path of Peril's design. I think Cleave Cost of 5 CMC would make it more appealing
ezuris predation is sick, because its green, you can just ramp better and you need to build around it, like etb effects with creatures(garruks uprising e.g.), or giving tokens/creatures deathtouch and so on but in pure comparission its really expansive and "not that good" i play it in my aesi deck and it rocks.
i love your tierlists really improved some decks of mine.
As a white player I missed "Winds of Abandon" here - the white version of cyclonic rift which is overseen very often. Not that strong because it's sorcery-speed and you might give a huge amount of resources to your opponents, but in white you should be able to win the game emediatly when you force an empty board. Love that card!
What would you say Consuming Tide is on the tier list? I'm trying to decide if I want to replace Supreme Verdict with it as a form of enchantment/artifact removal too, plus it can draw you up to 3 cards.
Letting opponents pick for themselves is rough, but this card is really cool! I’ve never seen it before.
Your missing some of the other ridiculous board wipes. Like Sunfall, expel the Interlopers, invasion of fiora, blood on the snow, white suns twilight, Crux of fate, depopulate, Settle the wreckage doomskar, path of peril.
And rivers rebuke
Friendly suggestion. Leave the cards up on the screen the entire time you're talking about them? I am watching this video in the background, like I think a lot of people do, and I keep looking over to see what card you guys are talking about, and you've already removed the card from the screen 95% of the time.
All is Dust has got to be A tier at least, maybe S. If you're judging it in the context of an overwhelmingly colorless deck, it's maybe the biggest swing in your favor out of any of these when it resolves. I don't think just because it has a narrower use case than a lot of cards makes it worse, you'd never play all is dust in a deck that can't take advantage of it so it's irrelevant that it's bad there.
Joe:
More versatility puts Damn at an A
Also Joe:
Less versatility puts Farewell at an A
Kidding of course, but I agree with Beezy on this one. Farewell is not THAT much better than AC especially in white. Lots of decks in white care more about getting many little creatures right? I think in any deck like that I’d rather have AC. I think farewell is a great card, but I don’t agree that it is “head and shoulders” above AC unless your meta is heavy on graveyard recursion.
Thank you for the tier list videos! I love the discussion that you guys have and seeing those discussions continue on the discord.
it's just that it's exile from the get go, austere command wont hit the artifacts and enchantments , and never graveyards, IF you want to hit ALL creatures, dodging dies triggers extremely undervalued, not even giving the option to send your commander to the graveyard, extremely underrated, every deck runs Eternal witness right?
1 month old video I know, but it seems like you forgot Planar Collapse. While someone can potentially disenchant it before your next upkeep, it's still a 2 mana creature killing board wipe. It also takes hardly any time at all for there to be 4 creatures in play in commander.
Razia's purification. Each player picks three permanents they control then sacrifices the rest. If you really want a hard reset and bypass indestructible here you go, but it sure does set the game back.
One of my favorite spells when I first started building, it's a bad card
I personally love playing with Cataclysm. Its such a fun card and goes great in an Orzhov tergrid deck
I get that Merciless Eviction is strictly worse Farewell (unless you want to kill Walkers) but you don't have it compete with Farewell. It competes with Fumigate and Cleansing Nova and it's *better*.
what about retaliate. it is 4 cost that destroys all creatures that dealt damage to you this turn. so it may destroy all enemy creatures while leaving your creatures in tact.
maybe ill rate it c or d due to you want to minimize damage recieved and may not kill a creature that doesnt attack. i unfortunately use it this tier list has me see some ill use instead.
what about martial coup? its a board wipe that then also generates alot of tokens but can be used for tokens without the board wipe to me its awesome boardwipe that can also be a win condition card. so i rate martial coup a tier. due to versatility.
what about hurricane. earthquake. savage twister? x cost board wipes is these 3.
Also Akroma’s Vengeance could have made this list and I would think maybe low B cause of the cycling
Please someone explain what they mean by “pips”. Like I can use context clues to know it’s the color of mana you need to spend but does it stand for something? Maybe I’m just not thinking hard enough 😂
Where do you put perilous vault. I have it borderline A kn the right deck, and a solid B. Fits near every deck, and the exile all is just stupid powerful. This blows the 8 drop green out of the water to me.
Meathook massacre is A at least. Totally a wipe, and life swing!
Agree with nearly all of the rankings but for me By Invitation Only is better than a Wrath of God although it's probably because I play a lot of creature heavy decks that can take advantage of it's possible asymmetry,
I think that announcing cards should be made more prominent and a quick review of the card effect at the start of discussion would be super useful. I can't listen to this while doing anything else because I have to listen carefully to catch what card is being discussed.