Donald Glover is an unlikable artistic genius
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Childish Gambino is the reason we have Miles Morales so I always like to give him credit for that
What? Miles Morales as a concept exists because Marvel writer Brian Michael Bendis is an adoptive father to black children. Miles as a character well... the movie did wonders for differentiating him from Peter, for the best really.
@@fluidthought42 I think he means Donald glover made miles kinda popular before the movie even came out always talking about black Spider-Man when he used to do stand up
@@fluidthought42 No, it’s a bit of a mix of both. From what I saw Donald initially sparked the actual discussion of a black Spider-Man cause he auditioned to be Peter or someone on Twitter thought it would be cool. The idea had got traction, Bendis saw it and while also having adopted black kids thought why not? I know there is an article explaining it, but Bino was most definitely a defining reason.
“Black girls didn’t like me” experience lowkey might be a very important puzzle piece you’ve yet to analyze in the Mano-sphere.
I mean fr the Black Mano-sphere is the only place that "validates" that experience. Everyone else says, "do better, loser" so Black nerds continue to isolate and seek more and more fringe politic which provides atleast SOME validation and support to their experience. That's why this video is ass. Calling Childish Gambino an incel when he is clearly not is really dismissive to some of the struggles he's expressing and others have lived.
Facts. I have yet to see any content creator talk about it despite the fact that it's a main issue between black men and black women.
We aren’t their preference
@@jennifercooljeo6552 That’s true in some cases but a little bit reductive all the same
It's so strange to me because some guys won't let go of "black girls did this and this to me" and swear them off forever, but if any girl of another race were to do the same, they wouldn't swear off that race. It's interesting
I would love to hear you talk more about the “black girls didn’t like me” experience
I'll be honest, I had trouble with black girls as well, especially before high school, but I had problems with black people in general. I was a honors kid at a poor school and being smart was a thing that invited bullying and ostracisation from my black peers. I'd say my mindset started changing around 8th grade and I found I made better friends with black girls than black boys in high school. I'm now finding out a ton of my issues came from undiagnosed mental issues that stunted my social awareness. I still don't like the way I was treated but I'm not going my entire life blaming an entire group of people for the actions of some assholes who happened to share my skin color. I've learned that there are bad and good people everywhere.
Me too. It's quite interesting because I dated one mixed boy and was always called a bed wench by the same guys who said other races of women were their preference
I mean it's a real experience most black guys experience.
@@WGPhil-uw5cs *project
Not experience.
definitely something I dealt with growing up until I found a black woman who was like "black men dont like me" and I expressed how wrong she was, then I put a ring on it LMAO!
I don't think we do ourselves any favors by pretending the black community doesn't have a conformity issue. Myself, the only black girls I dated were also ostracized by the greater black community for being 'weird.' Either for the way we talk or the things we like or how we dress. I'm in my 30s now, and still find some black people extremely judgmental or even hostile to anyone who falls outside of their script. It isn't something only we do, of course, every in-group has some degree of this.
Yeah, Signifier might be being a little bossy in some moments here. Although I think him calling Gambino cringe isn't meant as an insult, just his reaction to listening to his music.
Interesting
It doesn't matter if it's not your problem
@@kaliduncanel3356u slow?
@@Horatio787 yeah that's literally what he said
Whewwwwwww as a Black girl that grew up loving Donald/Childish, it was (and is) such a hard thing to process and deal with. And he never wants to acknowledge it!! He acts so above it and removed now, and oh Rihanna is in the movie now but then you have a self interview where you randomly ask yourself “do you hate black women?” then don’t answer the question??? Don’t even get me STARTED on the terrible writing for Van this season.
I don't understand, what's so bad Van's writing this season? I thought it was pretty good idk.. Can someone help me out?
Most Van episodes in the third season were written by women.
I used to like him too when I was younger and looking back I’m like …. 😬
That “Black Girls Didn’t Like Me Experience” is the best way to interpret the mentality and behavior.
I used to harbor similar feelings in my youth so I surrounded myself with Nerdy White Guys and girls in middle school and high school.
After I broke out of those spheres in college, I learned not to bring past interactions into to relationships and just talk to people and not be a cringebag. Basic Social Skills I’d say.
Edit : I should say I allowed negative chatter to change how I felt about myself growing up. I didn’t automatically get to middle school and start having these feelings toward black girls. I had felt unattractive in every way. Thought my skin tone was too dark. I had heard these jokes from folks as dark or darker than me and me not knowing myself I allowed those negative thoughts to imprint deep into my mind. So low self esteem and receiving negative stimuli plus just being a weird kid in general kinda compounded into a white girl chasing and white guy adjacent black nerd. It took until college to realize these feeling I felt weren’t mine and were projected and I just adopted those.
Don't beat cringe bag is words to live by
Basic social skills ain’t for everyone. What happened to neuro diversity and all that? You people are so full of shit and full of yourselves. You think this egotistic garbage is next level woke and you’re the in crowd we should want to be in. You ain’t it. We can find obnoxious conceded asses everywhere. No need to rely on fake woke asses for that.
Props andrew
Bro, same
Projected by who?
Really tried of Black men acting like they are the only nerds in the black community, as if there wasn't black girl nerds who these dudes over looked. Non-nerdy "hot" girls of every race was/is not checking for the nerdy dudes of their race . The fact that nerdy black dudes act like its just a black girls thing is funny to me. Alot of black dudes do walk around with a lot of self-hate and just blame it on black women, also lets not act like black girls don't hear ALOT of horrible stuff from black boys just for being black girls(and don't let them be darkskin) growing up.
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As a black dude who went to anime club, I can tell you there very much were not black girls in it. At ALL. Not every black boy who has this experience was just ignoring black girls.
@@stupidmonkey089 Being a actually nerd isn't just watching anime. plus I was also part of an anime club not that many women of any race(not feeling welcome there), also not that many black dudes.
@@IIxANARCHYxII Who said being a nerd is "just" watching anime? I used it as an example of a "nerd" space, one of a number of them, that didn't have many black women when I was there all of HS (and this was a good 15 years back so not even when anime was as mainstream as it is now). And I get anime spaces aren't always the most inviting to women or people of different races, but there were girls of other races there though and ours was fairly open
@@IIxANARCHYxII Black men project a lot of the sentiments they get from white men, onto black women and never see the irony lol
as an asian woman all i can think about were his MULTIPLE weird bars fetishizing asian women and its enough to turn me away lmao love atlanta tho!
Many Asian women don’t like being told they are desired by men of other groups, most black women love to here men of other groups fawn over them. Asian men like other groups of women desiring them, black men like women of other groups speaking on how they love them. Man this world can be very peculiar sometimes. If you don’t mind me asking, what did Gambino say that offended you?
@@dubya724 In a TON of his older stuff, mostly from 2011 in his EP and album Camp, he says stuff. The most iconic is the "chillin with a Filipina in your local Jollibee" but he also has a song called You See Me where he chants UCLA meaning "you see a lot of Asians." In Lights Turned On from his EP, he says "Chillin with this Asian chick I met in Chicago. She look like the social network chick, except for her ass is twice as thick." Also a few references to Persian girls and another reference to being "hard to find an Asian he doesn't like." Almost all of the examples are from 2011 or earlier, and it's kinda weird, but I would argue that a lot of it is just the character he was playing around that time because again he never really doubled back to that after. In season 3 of Atlanta, there's a scene where one of the characters (a black man) goes up to an Asian woman to ask her to pass him a drink but before he can say anything she says she's engaged, assuming he's hitting on her because black men hit on her often, which I think is Donald Glover making fun of the stereotype, making me think he doesn't agree with it anymore.
@@dubya724 I'm an Asian girl so idk why black women, men, and Asian men like it, but I'll guess. As a group, they are told they are undesirable and everyone to some extent wants to be picked. That's why you'll see some Asian women who like it too, usually younger girls especially if it's from a group that is widely considered more attractive. But fetishizing a group of people is usually dehumanizing and stereotyping individuals so a lot of older Asian women don't like it
@@dubya724 Nobody likes being treated like a sexual fetish
@@dubya724 there's a difference between liking someone and fetishizing them. The desirability hierarchy is also partially why people respond differently to fetishization.
My issue with Atlanta is the colorism. How they portrayed a dark skinned woman in that skit about interracial dating. Bug-eyed, angry and bitter. I had a problem with it and I’m not even dark skinned.
Yeah, that episode was out of bounds. Every interaction was off in that one, even the scenes with Van and her friends. Like, who ARE those women? That whole thing was purely a figment of his imagination. Like that's how his bitterness and self-loathing caused him to view BW. I can't say he doesn't have many an episode filled with realities of the Black American experience but there are some that are just off the walls.
Yes!! This is my same issue with Atlanta and no one I’ve spoken with about it sees where I’m coming from
I havent been able to watch it after that episode. I'm still too disgusted
It's always the Black dudes saying "Black girls don't like me!" who are the most colorist
Why you call her bug eyed? I thought she pretty.
This! I love Childish Gambino but people constantly ignore his misogynoir and blatant colorism. It was hard to be a fan of his during the Camp days because while I loved the song Freaks & Geeks, I still cringe at that one line he had in that song.
Not to mention, his portrayals of darker skinned black women in Atlanta tend to be 2D negative stereotypes. I appreciate the artistry in that show and his current music but he still has a massive Blindspot and chip on his shoulder when it comes to black women and even when I bring it up, as a fan myself, there's constant pushback. I think it's ok to critique art and still enjoy it but I'm not going to deny my experience watching this as a dark skinned black woman.
@@turtleboy1188 no you.
Another great vid by Signified and thanks to your comment, I attempted to listen to Freaks and Geeks. Besides This is America, F&G was the only other Gambino song I'd heard. In my opinion, the lyrics to F&G are total cringe.
Im ok with it cos for the most part he seems like a tood guy doing alot of charity work.
This he be calling us darker skinned bw everything but our govt names but people just say well it's the fault of bw....like I was teased and bullied too but I don't go and fetishize Asian or light skinned people.
Do you think it's something he can mature out of, or will he likely always be this way? If his music can become less cringy over time, then I hope his views can too.
CG was defintiely one of my biggest musical influences in the early 2000s because I very much grew up feeling too white for the black kids and too black for the white kids and since it was pre internet there was just no way to know that feeling wasn't unique. It was the first time I felt seen by a rapper. I could relate to all the black girls didn't like me blah blah blah
Then I went to college and realized it wasn't that black girls didn't like me, it was other races liked me specifically because I was black and thought that was cool. The black girls just saw me for who I was. It was a very wild experience and the clearer that came to me the less I could go back and bump old bino.
Interesting. I hadn't heard this perspective before.
Don't leave us on a cliffhanger
Literally the exact same thing. That's the main reason I liked Gambino's music. You can also hear this in Tyler the Creator's music if you listen to some of the lyrics, especially pre-flowerboy. I didn't listen to much of Tyler when he was coming up. His stuff is definitely more cringe than Gambino's but I honestly think they come from the same kind of mindset, especially pre-internet/pre-nerd zeitgeist. It was really weird to be thought of as an oreo in general.
It's still weird, some people still don't see me as black but I don't think of myself as white cause I'm not white. I still have black people call me white to my face, it just doesn't get to me as much.
Never had the issue of black girls not liking me though.
That was very insightful. I’ve never heard a Black man express their experience in that way before. Thank you
Thank you for sharing your perspective… I’ve never heard anyone say this
These "Black girls didn't like me" dudes really aren't harmless and I have no sympathy for them really. A LOT of Black women have been randomly targeted and bullied by these guys, in racially demeaning ways. I feel like these guys get the most coddling and understanding, when they sound no different than White supremacist when talking about Black girls and Black women.
As you can see I have a lot of hate for these guys lol. So many stories of them tearing down Black girls and women who were literally just existing.
Facts!!!!
Exactly has if nerdy black girls weren’t going THROUGH IT too.
You need to heal yourself
Facts.
Facts, and it’s hilarious because many of the black girls I know had the “black guys didn’t like me” experience, and (until VERY recently) that never stopped black girls from still liking and supporting black guys. It’s literally just an excuse to not date and/or interact with the girls you never wanted anyway.
Thank you! I grew up hearing that whole “Black girls don’t like me” BS from nerdy Black guys. I think it goes down to dudes that aren’t conventionally masculine and attractive idealizing girls that are conventionally feminine/ attractive and being BIG mad when those girls don’t appreciate them for their nerdy qualities. A lot of nerdy guys are misogynist and don’t value women for their personalities or interests, yet expect women to value them for theirs.
I was and still am a nerdy Black Woman. However, a lot of Black nerdy guys refused to interact with me in pursuit of women they had nothing mentally in common with. I think it has to do with nerdy guys still wanting the image of a stereotypically cool Black girl. I’ve always been cute and confident, but I’m a nerd and look the part. To some extent I think the nerdy Black guys chose to ignore the existence of Black female nerds because they don’t fit the part of their idealized woman. To an extent Black nerdy guys create a self fulfilling narrative that all Black women are bad for not wanting a relationship with someone they didn’t have anything socially in common with. They seem to be fine with dating non-Black nerdy girls, why not try connecting with Black female nerds?
I think times are changing and there are more Black men appreciating the presence of Black women in nerd circles. But man was it hard dating in HS. I also think Black female representation in Anime has something to do with it. Or Black female representation in nerd culture in general. We are the butt of so many jokes and it’s only now that we are starting to see positive representations. In general Black women seem to be the least desired so I guess it’s no surprise for nerd culture to follow the trend.
I disagree with you’re Premise but never the less I can respect it
Omg 😱 I agree with you. Especially, misogynist and value women part. I saw this with Kevin Samuels too.
@@lavonnealexander6936 I mean the truth hurts this happens to many black boys just because you disagree dose not make their stories Invalidated
Respectfully, you could have just been ugly to them. Like, nerdy black dudes aren't required to desire you just because you're on the opposite side of the same coin.
He had some incel vibes, but he was really young when he made his early stuff and I totally get if that kind of taints his newer stuff, but I think he's grown out of that
I always got a Kanye type of vibe from his songs and interviews. Wasn’t treated the kindest growing up while perusing his career and created an arrogant persona to cope with his insecurities. With his success it only validated and fed his inflated ego. Not necessarily putting himself on a pedestal but carrying himself with a sense of self indulgence as if he felt he had proved something and still feels the need to constantly prove it. I tried not to judge him since I wasn’t sure if it was maybe part of a character specifically for the art or if he was genuinely expressing himself. But despite that I couldn’t shake those weird feelings on the back of my head. It’s a little challenging for me to put into words so I may be missing the mark a little lol
o.o
No, you’re right. He called himself the son of Kanye.
Get a job.
@@rohenry9962 do a backflip from a second story balcony
@@cbetv3 You guys take simple things and over analyze them. Very weird. Pls go outside and touch grass.
All you've said is truth but I don't want to accept it 😭😭😭
Yeah, as a Black woman who was a Black girl completely obsessed with Donald Glover, I've always felt this weird-ness around Donald and the topic of Black women, specifically, and I couldn't put my finger on it when I was young. But now, it's clear as day and it makes me very sad. I absolutely love his art, but it is heartbreaking to think that I would be virtually invisible to him. 🤷🏾♀
Imo, Awaken my love was a nice tribute to 70s funk and soul and provided a interesting modernized take on those sounds. Before the internet seems like Gambinos first step out of the “incel” territory and i think its aged pretty well. Overall, despite some dumb shit hes said, I think Gambino means well and puts alot into his creative work.
I used to like him as an artist but realized after a year or two without listening to him I realized that i wasn't really interested in what he was saying I just liked the beats and his delivery
That's most rap tho, don't stop at Donald and keep going
@@sp123 nah idk about most rap there a definelty a few rappers where I actually want to hear what they are saying
Definitely *
@@sp123
Naw.... don't say that about 80's & 90's Hip-Hop, don't make me fight you! 😆
I feel that. Hammer time saved my marriage and made me stop drinking.
You're not a contrarian but you have a way of highlighting people and topics that touch a nerve that makes us question ideas that we hold dear
I feel like Glover can never win. He was a kid raised in a Jehovah witness family, extremely sheltered and often toxic. His forst experience with culture, TV movies etc all came in college at his very white school. He also was exposed to the internet and all of its craziness. All of these things left him vulnerable to alot of the cery common trappings of the man-o sphere. Over time though, his art and his general presences have begun to counter some of the more problematic things he enagegd in, in both the distant and recent past. He has created some very valuable Black art that captures an valuable perspective in a way that fir better or worse is reflective to those its about. I feel like all of this is reduced!😊
"Relax, black chick, I think that I have offended thee- Got nothin' against the sistas, I just don't think they're into me. I am not a thug, AKA: what they pretend to be… " is a line from "Not going back" which was before his Culdesac album. And "I'm down with the black girls of every single culture. Filipino, Armenian girls on my sofa. Yeah, I like a white girl, sometimes we get together" is from Freaks and Geeks.
I get nerdcore was popular just a few years ago but his stuff aged poorly.
It probably didn't feel like it would age poorly to him. People (mainly white and black people) bullied the fuck outta nerds in school, and still do. Nerd aren't stigmatized like they used to be, but young people still generally don't go for that as they're first option.
What's so bad about this I don't get it?
@@ficamica1 he brings down black women at the same time uplifting others mostly white and Asian. It's pretty anti black to me but he uses the bullying as a disguise for his 'preferences'
@@chalseoko How does he bring them down.
@@chalseoko he’s not wrong tho
I would love to hear more on this, because as a long time Gambino fan I don't like to hear this criticism but I really can't deny that it's valid, especially for his earlier work. He was absolutely a tool and a bit of an incel - and yeah, his relationship w/ black women has always been iffy.
I'd like to hear what you have to say about BTI (w/ screenplay), AML!, and Guava Island, bc I see these as more mature, woke installments in the Gambino discography, but as a white listener, and someone who's been a Childish fan longer than I've been a progressive leftist, I'm sure I have some blind spots and I'd like to hear your more thoughtful, knowledgeable analysis.
People go through phases.
BTI is one of my favorite albums
How has his relationship with BW been iffy?
Fiq, did you upload this just to get me to angrily comment? Cause it worked!
That cringy ass scene in Atlanta where the black woman was having a one sided screaming match with a white girl. It just screams incel/manosphere writing
and another scene that not many people talk about is in the episode Helen, there’s a brown skin black girl dating a white guy and SHE’S portrayed as a self-hating, whitewashed, anti-black, candace owens type. there’s such a stark double standard in how glover tackles interracial dating that it’s almost impossible to ignore. he definitely has some unresolved issues when it comes to black women.
which episode is this? what number?
As someone who grew out of the "Gambino phase", I see where the girl is coming from though. I know what scene you're talking about. Think about it: Black men see potential relationships outside their race and there are white women who might try to justify the relationship they have with them. NOT ALL I have to make that clear as I'm in no way generalizing. Is it awkward? Yes. Are her feelings valid? You bet. Black folks are supposed to be unified and be able to love each other, what I've heard, and yet we tear each other down in more ways than one. So it's not a one sided thing.
I remember my "black girls don't like me" phase...Dark times, dark times.
Tell us about those dark times. I’m curious.
@MelaninGold I would rather leave that in the past.
@@TheXFireball I understand.
Been a fan of Donald Glover the actor/creative since 30 Rock/Community, but I didn't really get into his music until Because The Internet. Definitely agree that his musical content before then felt mostly cringe, but I think BTI is when he really started to grow artistically. Plus I could relate to the feeling of isolation conveyed throughout that album at the time.
Atlanta is one of my favorite series going, but I can't deny the critiques of it when it comes to how it does and doesn't represent Black women. Your "Black girls didn't like me experience" DG theory feels accurate to me. Overall, I'm a fan but there are some valid critiques to be made about the guy.
I used to be a superfan of his, and I'm still checking for whatever projects he puts out, and my guy you are 1000% correct. I related alot to his content but then I grew as a person and it became abundantly clear that he has not done the same lol
what makes you say he hasn't grown? Dude is 38 or something now and has kids, he would have had to lol
@@fansalsolike6245 his mindset doesn't seem to have changed much based on what he's said in interviews over time. He's just still very defensive
@@darejohnson2251 Yea, I mean he dissed the entire show Dave and I guess by proxy Dave Burd for people thinking it compares to Atlanta.
The worst part is he brought this up himself cause he was interviewing himself lol.
Kind of sucked to see a creator put down another creator like that. Donald gets enough praise as it is from critics there wasn't a need to do that
@@fansalsolike6245 he never dissed dave lol. he said it’s annoying the way people compare both shows when dave especially pulls from atlanta. donald also said that he likes dave for what it is
I still love Donald Glover’s stuff. I honestly see a lot of his style of comedy come through in his rap: It’s gross, needlessly offensive, and overly sexual. His comedy never seemed desperate, and he has a LOT of lyrics about how he’s just dicking around.
Like there’s still a lot to read into about his obsession with Asian women and dislike of black women, but there’s also plenty reason to believe a good chunk of it is just him being ridiculous on purpose.
Can understand this criticism for anything pre-BTI, but after that I think he’s really come into his own. But also I have been a fan for years so take from that what you will
Nope. You obviously haven’t read the interview he did of himself recently
@@soniadevlin487 ngl that interview he did of himself was so weird, especially when i found out that it was a self interview. asking himself about his issues with black women then dodging the question was unnecessary, like it he didnt want to say anything about it dont bring it up
@@lunarwaning Weird is good. He’s thinking different and we can take or leave it. At least he has the courage to do it. Forcing conformity on everyone isn’t how you do diversity.
@@edtastic that part.
@@edtastic no lol, first being different just to be different isnt inherently good, its the same as doing something bc everyone else is, youre letting the actions of other dictate what you do, so if youre doing that w/o a message then youre just as much sheep as ppl blindly following imo
but in regards to the interview the i found it a little weird that he passed up the opportunity to say that he doesnt hate black women to instead give a non-answer and it compounded the strangeness of him choosing not to say that he doesnt hate black women when i found out it was a self-interview bc if he was just going to deflect the question then why ask it in the first place or just ask a different question, bc again HE was the one giving the interview.
Donald Glover attempting to ask himself what he thinks are "controversial" or riveting questions and giving backhanded, almost passive aggressive answers in his "self-interview" was by far the most pathetic, dorky thing he's done yet
Yeah agreed. That interview was awful and came off super pretentious even though he tried to 5d chess everyone into thinking it wasn't pretentious lol.
@big-zahd where could one find this interview?
It’s like that episode of Atlanta when they were interviewing Paper Boi about trans people
@@LeMac-12 Just admit that the logic you want to defend is flawed. It's all based on feelings, not facts
@@LeMac-12 what was wrong with the paper boi interview?
I think the “Black Girls didn’t Like Me” experience is a legit topic and should be explored. As a person who was bullied because I didn’t fit that type of “black masculine boy” narrative it definitely affected my self esteem. For a while I thought no black women would be into me. I was proven wrong when I went to college and expanded my world view.
But I think there might be a generational thing, in the 90’s and early 2000’s the ideal black male was seen has hard hitting, rough and tumble, man of action and anything other than that was seen as…lesser than.
We should explore this topic and how patriarchy paved a way to divide and ostracize various parts of the black community. Causing widespread isolation within our community.
That would make a great video !
I’m sorry but the 90s weren’t the issue. Will Smith dominated 90s culture. Boys 2 Men were packaged as preppy HBCU kids.The girls were swooning over either Denzel, LL Cool J or Tevin Campbell depending on their age. Gangster rap changed that but that change started among the male audience. Whatever expectations you were feeling to be more “rough and tumble” came from your bros, not the black girls. I still remember how my homeroom would be a noisy buzz the day after an episode of Family Matters where Steve Urkel transformed into his suave alter ego. We have got to stop blaming women or culture for the destruction we do to ourselves and to each other as black men.
@@jakestroll6518 I disagree women have a lot to do with how men act
@@theblackmonk3153 Sure. But then men wrongly presume to know what women want when all we are doing is imposing our own hang ups on them.
@@jakestroll6518 I know what they want and it ain’t nerdy black men lol
I love how everyone is introduced in Donald glover in a different way.
true
I want to thank you for having the courage to say and post this. CB has a way of going after Black women (usually unprompted) at random. If we respond to it in any way short of “wow, thanks!” his Incel super fans come out of their caves to attack and insult us on his behalf. I liken his super fans to the “you’re just not smart enough to get it” side of the Rick and Morty fandom. It’s sad because the incel bars are the main thing pushing us (Black women) away from his work. It seems like he’s aware of that yet he continues to do it which is kinda telling. I can already see some of them have made their way here. Good luck, man. 😩
I think that Childish is still stuck in that phase of rejection from the community so now that he’s getting praise from his work he honestly doesn’t care what black women think. It’s like that incel trope of the black male nerd who finally gets money and fame and the community now messes with him. He seems more happy to see the outrage from his past comments because these are the people who once “rejected him” so it feeds his ego in a way.
Yeah, he's definitely obsessed lol. I supported him for years, even loved Atlanta until it became clear he hates Black women. I'm good on his work. I can support other Black men. He just can't focus on his art without bringing up his resentment of Black women. Just let it go,Donald.
@@groolchick2 he definitely doesn't hate black women
@@blodiaaa6990 he very much does. It shows every time. Even in his recent interview “with himself” he came off passive aggressive
@@trayog2459 Nothing in that interview says "I hate black women"
As an ex Jehovah witness I can tell you that faith tries to put allot of strange ideas into your mind. It was very difficult for me to fit in as a kid because of it.
damn totally forgot about that. Kind of puts some more depth to why he is who he is.
"Black Girls Didn’t Like Me" bit is complex and need to good discussion.
Like It easy to shrug it off and say grow out of it. However its much more to it. Like for a good chunk of black kids growing up around Glover generation. Kids who wasn't the ideal black (cis, het, neurotypical) was often outcast especially if you liked "White people" stuff. If you didn't feel at home with the other black kids growing up, of course you are going to go other places to feel at home. Like the old saying "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."
I mean black people tend to bully those within the community who don't belong.
Yep. It's just that to have to conversation we need to consider both the black guys and black girls.
@@stepahead5944 its going to be a hard conversation...but its needed
And then when they leave the community, they still get looked at funny for being with another community.
There's no winning.
@@themutupoguy all the more reason to shut it down early
As much as my black nerd self loves Donald Glover with all my soul lol, I completely agree! In addition to that, I think with that we should observe how his music Is actually a reflection of the thoughts of many black suburban kids, such as myself, and how we can help stop this sort of “black girls didn’t like me” phenomena and the insecurity it breeds/is bred from. Because although many of us (such as myself) have begun to love ourselves a bit more and our people, there’s still a little bit of trauma that I have yet to deal with that I see seep into my every day and even dating life that I definitely need to deal with. Seeing another black nerd in somewhat mainstream culture was really good for me at the time, and I’ll even say prompted me to want to learn more about my existence as a black man. However, I can absolutely admit there’s a bit of trauma there that absolutely needs to be addressed. In addition to that, I believe the albums before awaken my love can be used as a reflection to help stop the cycle of self hatred and other issues within Black children who’ve lived in suburbia and in general.
how can we stop the phenomenon?
@@breannajoseph2018 I've been thinking about this for a while and honestly I'm not sure. It's absolutely a projection however it's difficult to explain to someone who feels hurt that the projection isn't real. For me it was me learning how the system was set up for me to literally hate myself. This prompted me to actually look past the insults I heard and actually hear the (black) people around me and push through that to understand, accept, and love my culture. Which now I look back and understand that some of the "insults" were just jokes and others were bred from their insecurities and want for some sort of acknowledgment from me. Whether it be friendship or just a simple POSITIVE acknowledgement of them and truly seeing the beauty in us and our culture. However, it can be difficult to see that when you feel hurt. So, if anything, I guess I'd say the solution is to learn your history and/or feel love and the want of connection in a less "abrasive" (I use almost sarcastically lol) way, because when you're in that space anything black or attributed to back culture is seen as negative, so someone would almost have to be there to translate and say "hey, they're kidding" or "hey we love you", etc. but that just feels weird and I feel that someone's anti-blackness (which is semi- their problem) shouldn't require change from everyone. However, I do think it would bridge a major gap. It's difficult.
Just knowing you can like Marvel and Hip-hop and they can both co-exist helps alot. Knowing people who look like you LIKE you and are cool with you doing or not doing certain things in and out of our culture is a game changer. This is especially true when yt individuals your whole life have told you that your proximity to whiteness and hatred/hesitance towards your own culture and people made you valuable. So it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult to pull black kids out of that place when they feel that their own culture doesn't want them (even if it is due to a cultural disconnect), so then they just sit with the kids they've always sat next to and will take those micro and not so micro aggressions bc (typically) they've grown up around more yt people anyway.
So that's one way it can be dealt with but It takes a lot of maturity and patience to teach and deal with because it's so engrained, and I personally would feel guilty to tell someone to deal with it even if it would've helped me yk. It's tricky
Sorry if there's any errors (both literally and thought proccess wise) just let me know, i'm down to learn.
I hope what I wrote makes sense lol.
P.S. - It's very much the person who's in it's problem but also it's not designed for you/them to ever break out of it, because then you wouldn't value what you used to (aka whiteness) which would make you love yourself and culture more, which as we know is not what people in control want lol.
Once again, I apologize if there's any literal or logical errors, just let me know and I'll definitely try to fix them
@@PotpourriT this was really well written and i appreciate you taking the time to explain this to me. i personally agree with you and as i was reading was reminded as my own experiences. thanks again
@@PotpourriT powerful, emotional and instructive text.thank you for your openness.
The black nerd boy experience isn't just about rejection from black girls. Most girls weren't checking for nerds when I was young. With glasses? Yeah, that was a wrap lol. It was just that I was rejected less by latinas and asian girls. So I went where the love was. They didn't care that I didn't have on the newest overpriced bs, or that I didn't mispronounce certain words, or that I had a "white boy" name lol. I never lost attraction for black women, though. Too many women have loved me unconditionally for me to start bashing black women. But the experiences are real.
And not every nerdy black boy hates black women. That's how we got here in the first place: trying to squeeze everybody into a monolith.
Cringe
Facts as a black nerd I never hated black women I just can’t understand them but I wish them well
@@MrisaVigil how ?
@@theblackmonk3153
What's hard about black women to understand?
@@user-xf1ms8pm8y I don’t understand their attitudes or thought processes
Its so odd that we grew up during a lot of the same hip hop era's, and yeah CG definitely has Shadow the Hedgehog energy. Which is wild because he high key worked with a lot of influential or talented black folks that I still listen to or at least had their moment, folks like Kari Faux, Chance the Rapper Thundercat, Fredo Santana, Kilo Kish, Schoolboy Q, etc. It sucks that Donald won't work thru his shit cuz its honestly the only thing holding him back.
Shadow the hedgehog energy lol
By extension he also has Seto Kaiba and Batman energy cause they’re all the same vibe.
@@odothedoll2738 idk that kinda implies wealth which I don't think is accurate
@@squarecymbals I suppose yeah
@@squarecymbals you don’t think he’s wealthy?
I've had my reservations about Glover as well but his talent and contributions are undeniable. In fact I used to hate on the man, like, he acts, does stand up, writes and does music??!!! How many other artists have gotten to this level of success through pure talent?!
Calling it incel rap is a bit much
I really don’t think so. It sounds a bit far fetched at first, but I think FD explained his reasoning pretty well and it absolutely resonated with some thoughts that I’ve had in the back of my head about Gambino’s work for a good few years (as a long time fan).
Black men using their rejections by black women in their teenage years as a frame of reference for turning them into a negative monolith (in their eyes) against themselves (self-victimization) seems to be far too common.
@@20000dino that can be said about his starting work until camp, after that it sissles out. Also it's less about black women and more about African American culture as a whole if you look at the lyrics.
I have to disagree. He’s right on the money when he refers to it as ‘incel rap.’
3:05 - as a white guy with a black wife I appreciate this take, I think it’s definitely a questionable thing that might be underlying fetishization of some kind when people don’t *ever* be with people who look like them
Fetishization ≠ internalized racism
So no, what you're saying definitely isn't true when it comes to POC w/ white partners in a white supremacist society. Like, let's not play stupid lol.
@@annoyedbyyourface I'm not trying to play stupid, I'm trying to understand. So you're saying there's POC who choose white partners because of internalized racism giving them anti-blackness, but don't have any kind of fetishization? I can see that
I will say, I was mostly talking about white people who only date BIPOC people, as a white man that was mostly what I was talking about
I find it problematic that people see that it's not a fetish if it's a black man with a white woman but it's a fetish if it's a white man and a black woman together
Must be annoying in your experience
@@yuumi603 I can understand that, though in my experience it’s often been different but balanced frustration with 1. Black men choosing not to date black women, vs 2. White men being with black women. Not trying to be heteronormative, those are just the two narratives I’ve encountered personally. So I’m not sure I agree it’s any double standard, at least not what I’ve seen
Honestly this is some of the best critique of seen of Donald Glover. He's undoubtedly talented and has a natural charisma but feels like the type of person who takes like, the "silly" meme of the moment just a little too far, or gets just a little bit too intense when talking about experiences that a lot of people have but also most people unpack and deal with in ways that are healthier than how he does.
I think "Because the Internet" might actually be his best, certainly his most like, on brand, album because it's such a raw version of all those feelings, a lot of his weird incel-esque altnernative-macho posturing (posturing at being like, smart nerdy and quirky in a still very elitist and misogynistic way) is sort of stripped back and genuinely examined and made to feel fairly pathetic, like there's tracks on there that are genuinely unpleasant to listen to and I think that's deliberate in how ugly some of the feelings he's putting out there are. It also...doesn't have the really corny obvious rhyme-scheme "clever" wordplay of Camp, at least as much, which helps, lol.
I also will say, who knows if it sticks, but I'm genuinely happy for him leaving the game when he did, after making pretty undoubtedly his most impactful work with This is America. There's a lot of sour notes in his musical career and it's smart to step back after something as well respected as that.
I don’t pay attention to him because he reminds me of how forgotten and over looked I felt in high school. Those types always say black girls weren’t checking for them but fail to realize that they were going for the popular, baddie type black girls instead of their counterparts like myself.
THIS! I keep saying the boys who had this experience (of any race tbh but clearly lets stick to Black men) wanted the baddie who did not want them, but dodged the nerdy/emo/off-beat etc. black girl they probably could have pulled.
Yep. To bm, nerdy black girls are a fantasy
@@Sista11 true, a common thing it seems is that people think "female incels" are such because of high expectations... but male incels are worse. They want the "perfect" girl in the most shallow way possible and throw a tantrum on all women when they can't get her it's unfortunate.
This is true to an extent but, the nerdy girls weren't checking for the nerdy guys either... It's weird how the nerdy awkward girl could still have access to the "male equivalent of a baddie" types even if they just wanted to smash or not be public about their involvement... Yet on the other hand, a nerdy guy could never even be "used" by a baddie. The jock types have access to the full spectrum while the nerds only start being viable prospects when they start making money.
Yessss!!!!
I can empathize with the "black girls don't like me" experience. That was never my issue and maybe they do need to process that but I find it curious that the victim of the bias is being required to work on themselves as if there wasn't an Whole other party bullying them. Yes this is bullying. Going out of your way to call someone "ugly, lame, corny" is something I would get called to school for if my little boy perpetrated this against another child. Let's be honest and unbiased here
As someone who has claimed Bino as my favorite artist for like a decade, you're making some really good points. I think there's a lot more nuance to his songs and topics, but the "incel bars" are def there
donald glover is one of my creative idols, but i have always felt pretty much identically to what FD Signifier is saying. i actually think he went easier on glover than i would (there's a whole egomania element to DG now, and i actually don't think he's as authentic as he portrays himself to be these days) . but, despite all of that, he is indeed a creative genius, and he helped me a lot in very specific ways when i was growing up. he was very raw in camp for example. the music hasn't aged all that well but it's about as personal as an album could be, and he tackles his own insecurities about his race in a way i haven't seen anyone else do, which helped me come to terms with my own identity.
at this point, though, i do have to separate the artist from the art a bit. i feel like if i met him and chatted to him, he would piss me off and i wouldn't like him very much, but i love love love the stuff he puts out (even if i wish he'd stop buying his own hype a little)
@@joshk. I agree completely, I'm so grateful for the growth and memories I've had with his art in the past, but I've def stopped idolizing him which allows more room to recognize flaws
@@joshk. I never really listened to him. Are there any specific incel-y songs, or should I just read the lyrics to all the old albums? I'm curious
Define incel bars
@@luna-p check out his mixtape The Great Gambino.
I am just getting out of the “black girls don’t like me phrase.”
It was such a crazy shock to me, I grew up in the west indies, I’d seen maybe 5 white ppl my whole life to that point and when I moved to America, I all of a sudden became
1) “ewww get away from me you gay”
2) “not really black”
3) “a fucking nerd”
The way girls said no to you, at least during hs in nyc, was to cut you as hard as possible and that kinda trauma stuck.
I just unpacked that in my 30’s in the last decade, and I wasn’t like I wasn’t attracted nor wanted to date them, you just kinda think “why bother, she’s gonna say no” let’s ask Becky instead
If black girls don’t like you don’t let them make you feel bad for not liking them
The homophobic stuff was the WORSE like. Why were they so cool with saying something they knew good and well was wrong? I never experienced it yet I actively heard others say it. I was blessed to be able to pull women even if I really didn't care to. Since I realized I was asexual early into my 20s. So I never got to caught up in the dating drama. Yet I always wondered why were people were actively being awful to each other. While at the same time wondering why love hasn't found them?
Sometimes that woman from a different perspectives help you grow as person. Since to become better requires being challenged and the ability to fail without being shattered. When it comes to love people need to become better at not shattering people's hearts.
@@ExeErdna because this was the mid 90 dialup’s era. We were 13 and as Kendrick said, “we ain’t know no better”
@@elder_millennial_Fboy True, we really didn't yet it seems the cycle keeps on spinning. We dealt with bullying, bad relationships and we try to kick game to youth coming up as they ignore it until they comeback to us like "damn you were right" like how we did to people older than us.
Sometimes when people say "fire is hot" you don't need to burn yourself to try to prove them wrong.
@@Schinzo__ nah this ain’t it, please don’t use my post as a reason to slag off our women, I don’t get down with that in the slightest. I was just musing about how little throwaway moments like being embarrassed at 13 can have lasting ripples
I always thought it was SUPPOSED to sound like that. Like, he was impersonating/reflecting what the modern rap artists were doing but better and sprinkling in some mindful songs along the way in order to not come off too preachy.
This one hurt F.D. I'd love to see an interview between you two.
Daaaaaamn. Aint even think about his work that way. Gonna have to give it another listen
Honestly that nerdrap wave came in too early and never got its flowers.
1000% agree on Gambino. At least the Asian fetishization fell off later in his career
A real Rivers Cuomo scenario
Probably because he's got a white wife and kid(s?)
Mega Ran _still_ don't get _his_ flowers.
Lmao damn, there was Asian fetishisation too?
@@thabokgwele5268 By the pound.
(Commenting as a watch this) yessssss I am so glad you mentioned the Zazie Beetz character and how it was written. I always felt like she lacked the depth that the other characters that’s were given, not to mention the questionable way that her friends were also portrayed in the Champagne Papi episode
He didn't even write the Champaign Papi episode. Atlanta has a number of writers, with Glover only writing a number of them
I LITERALLY have to separate the art from the artist. I think he was genius for creating an alter ego because I believe he knew he was an unlikeable person. Now I can try to listen to Childish and not have to deal with Donald🤦🏽♀️
I can't be the only one who gets ticked off in a weird way when people use the adjective or "less important word" from an artist's name. Like, Gambino I can accept. Childish? That's not a damn name. Similar thing with Playboi Carti. Post Malone doesn't fit that for some reason tho
@@man4437 lol you get ticked off by adjectives in front of names?? I know you were serious and I understand what you’re saying, no judgement but that’s funny af.
with all these abusive people and my stance on abuse, i never sep from the artist. i cant support rick james and james brown and r kelly and mike jackson and kevin spacey or elvis and so on. dudes was straight monsters
@@lowlowseesee tbh I thought everyone was over the MJ controversy, from what I've seen there's really not a ton of evidence on that.
@@theinvisiblewoman5709 no I thinks mans is saying he doesn't like it when people refer to the artist as the adjective part of the name instead of the noun. like the noun part is supposed to be the "main" part of the name.
Awaken my love is cringe?? I’m convince this dude is a permanent hater fr
I started watching his standup and listening to some of his music after seeing him on community because I thought he was cute. I got really bad vibes from him. He clearly has a lot of issues and insecurities that culminate in toxicity and douchiness.
Also the way he fetishizes ethnic, non-black women creeped me out a lot (being one myself)
Lol ok
you must get super creeped out by the kardashians then huh?
I purposefully don't look up much about Glover because I want to keep enjoying Atlanta. Honestly, I have to ignore A LOT of stuff from a lot of people to keep engaging with most media. Damn, I'm kinda sad now. Lol. Like with every artist tho, I make sure to keep them at the human level in my mind. I refuse to refer to anyone as a genius, refuse to put their work on a pedestal because it may cause me to make excuses for their indiscretions and dismiss them. I can enjoy parts of his work but I don't have to put a crown on him, or anyone else for that matter. He's a person with thoughts and issues, like all of us.
Yeah I feel you. It can be hard to check ourselves when it comes to idolizing someone. The influence and impact of culture and cults of personality is unprecedented and new to navigate with the internet. You can literally see it clearly with a
Jared Leto fans.
I feel like that last part lacks empathy a bit for people in those situation, we are products of our environments, you can process trauma all day but your experiences are gonna influence all of your future decisions, especially who you decide is going to get your energy going forward, it's not an excuse for horrible and "anti" behavior, but you don't get to those mindsets alone, something happened.
@@333funkymunky your mom likes how I smell
Yes
@@333funkymunky it’s you. You’re the problem
"Black girls didn't like me and I haven't processed that yet"
Yeah, so agreed.
We gonna need to have this conversation with every black nerd man.
No we don’t lol we’ve moved on and dated out you go we’re you are liked that’s it
@@theblackmonk3153Keep justifying your self hatred with this false narrative. Generalizing an entire race based on your experience ( I understand that it was not nice) is really childish. I think that a lot of y’all take this experience as an excuse to justify your self hatred and the fact that you see white/Asian women better than black people.
@@ibrahimbenseck8871 nah no self hatred at all we just hang with who excepts is I’m tired of trying to be cool or get peoples attention plus for white girls I don’t have to be a “real” ninja
What is Incel rap? this guy is king of the cliff hanger statement. saying something and then never expounding.
That word doesn't mean anything anymore. It's been too muddied.
Dude thank you. I've always liked his comedy, Atlanta, This Is America was definitely powerful, but especially his earlier music was so painfully cringe.
One thing you’re not mentioning is that it wasn’t just “Black girls don’t like me”, it “Black people think I’m weird.”
In his comedy special he talks about how he wasn’t a huge part of stereotypical black culture, which made him feel isolated from black people and more tolerable towards white people.
In one of his freestyles he says “I’m a dark skin art student with light skin advantages.” He recognizes that him being not totally into black culture, despite being black, made it easier for him to be successful.
He felt isolated from being nerdy and that is was frowned upon on in the black community. He feels that black nerdiness wasn’t “legal” until Kanye and The College Dropout, which was 2004. He was 21 years old before he felt comfortable not being this stereotypical black person. That’s a very late age to try and change your whole perspective on life. At that point he had already started Derrick Comedy, and thus forming his crowd and creative vision, which I assume was not largely black integrated.
This is all from a white guy who has seen 90% of what Donald Glover has been a part of, so take what I said with a grain of salt
Yes, his rap is cringe- very black suburban rap, but I can at least appreciate his honesty. I'm not sure if I understand your argument against Awaken My Love, but I for one appreciated all the Parliament/Funkadelic callbacks and the metaphors about the threat of police violence. As far as I'm concerned, the only gentrified funk music I've heard belongs to Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars 🤷♀️
Black people talking about real life murder in the rap should be cringe but the issue is he’s from the suburbs? Have you seen the impact of the gangsta trap on the youth culture? We ain’t living right. Gentrification ate our black social justice now everything is cringe and problematic. That ain’t black talk.
@@edtastic Bruh. I'm not criticizing the fact that he may be suburban, I just thought it was a gentler way of packaging what his sound sounds like to me. I think calling all of his rap incel rap is more egregious. Sorry if the use of the word suburban rubbed you the wrong way, but his point of view and sound reminded my of the Black middle class community I lived in. A lot of us Black kids that went to private school tend to have similar experiences of rejection of our Black peers and feeling like misfits. And we also tend to sound dorky, just facts. Me and my siblings are probably more like Donald Glover than unlike him tbh. But I also wrote above that his honesty about himself is to be appreciated, whether it's ugly or not. A lot rappers be making up bodies and bullet wounds to get cred unnecessarily. But truly, the opinions of an unenlightened middle class Black kid are usually cringe, because said kid hasn't unpacked all of the bad things he's learned. I rest my case as a fellow Black person who grew dorky and unsure of herself.
@@sc00biedoo Facts! Both Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson are culture vultures. I made a whole video on Bruno Mars's appropriating antics! His fanbase makes talking about this worst online.
So glad we’re having this discussion and you did a great job of airing out your issues with Donald Glover while keeping it respectful and not going the “cancel him” route.
The discussions happening under this video are priceless. Thanks my guy. Worth a sub
ATHF taught a 14 year old me about MC Chris, but it also taught a 15 year old me about MF DOOM. So basically what I’m saying is the lord works in mysterious ways
Well how is one supposed to go through youth being handed a "black girls don't like me" complex, and then handle a critique for not being with a black woman... like that rejection doesn't just go away. That's your lived experience, if they don't like you, they don't like you. Are you gonna be your authentic self and keep banging your head into a wall or become something else you may not really want to be just to gain acceptance... but what kinda life is that to live?
Beyond that, can we really fault a man for stepping out?
Can we really fault white people for being racist?
Thank seems like the healthy way to go about it.
I had that "black girls didn't like me experience" too, and I probably didn't grow out of completely until my mid to late 20's. I don't think I truly processed it until after 30.
as a female asian fan of his I always assumed it was a joke bc he's a comedian and so many of his lines are unserious like "bitch I love rugrats!"
I love your content and I appreciate how it makes me reevaluate my opinions and perceptions.
I think culturally the black male nerd (usually the ones with undiagnosed adhd, or other neurodivergent mental health issues) were obsessed with the cartoons they saw growing up. The escapist power fantasy tv shows that helped you navigate the awkwardness of being othered by everyone. Not being seen as traditionally black hurts you because you experience all of the same hurts the world throws at you but in isolation.
I experienced the black girls don’t like me as well. I was what I like to call a “1 of 3” (edit/update/explainer: 1 of 3 black kids in a predominantly white school. Lower early test scores put you in classes with more black kids. And that continued into high school. For every drop in your grades you’d see more black kids added to your class the next year. 🫠) kid. Because I tested well on certain tests growing up, the “random student placement” algorithm of my district would sort me into classes that fit my performance profile. So I got all the ostracizing but I had to navigate it alone.
It’s great to see how much has changed because at some point, black women nerds were allowed to catch up with us and also go even further than some dudes now with niche cultural things like cosplay, k-pop, etc.
And to that end I think if you talked to black female nerds you’d find more of them that suffered in the silence of assimilation because gender norms are placed even heavier on black girls than black boys by the community. So that girl didn’t even get a chance to express her weird until she was able to really leave her bubble.
So I guess to summarize I totally get this take and assessment. And I think once he was able to grow and find others like him that’s when you get Awaken my Love and Atlanta.
Very insightful posts, thanks for sharing. I still think Donald Glover hates Black women lol but I'm enjoying reading the comments by other Black male nerds under this post.
as a former nerdy black girl this is extremely true lol. it was especially hard on those of us who were in mostly-white schools, and EXTRA hard if you got slapped with the “gifted & talented” label and were constantly pushed to put your nerdiness before your social life by parents/teachers
I think the "nerd rap" wave's fatal flaw was failing to recognize and respect that rap is *already* built on so many types of nerds: electronics nerds, music-history nerds, wordplay nerds, economics nerds, etc.
This is a great reply
Glover’s self-interview from back in April in Interview mag said a lot too.
Also, is there a Black artist/creator quits art and moves to a farm pipeline?
I consider that as a future move once a week...
@@signifiedbsides1129 As someone who did the move and have few regrets, I understand. If you want some more info (Black Farmers/Farmers of Color Network etc) let me know. Happy to share what I have learned.
@@SweetieMs Welcome to the Agrarian life! Depending on where you are (country/region) I can recommend local BIPOC farmer resources if I know of them.
Generally, if you are in the US the agricultural extension offices are always good resources, get on their mailing lists for everything from new grant programs, mentorship opportunities, blight trackers, livestock guidance, etc.
Depending on the amount of land, experience, goals, and abilities you can really dial in what you want to specialize in and pursue (homesteading, market gardening, livestock raising, orchard/vineyard, or even flower production).
That said, if you are in the eastern US and are looking for goat drop me a line!
If a black man growing up in the black community clearly felt ostracized due to the experiences he had, how is he supposed to engage with those experiences without attributing it to black people? Better yet when most of his memory of positive experiences are not in the black community.
Well done to you and the 7 (or 6 if you liked your own comment) people who just justified racism /s
@@thatqueenG What do you say to a black person who's only had negative experiences with police? What do you say to a woman who's only had negative experiences with men? What do you say to a gay person who's only had negative experiences in the black community?
My answer is to ask them to look for one example where the experience is decoupled from the group. If they can find one example, then those two things aren't intrinsically linked. But I also understand that it doesn't change the instinct to associate those two things due to their own experiences.
@@Daft_Sage but it seems like you're justifying keeping that toxic mentality. it is never healthy for ANYONE to hate *everyone* of a particular demographic because of negative experiences they've had with individuals. And I don't think 'the police' as an institution and groups of people e.g. men, straight people should even be put in the same category as 'justifiable biases'.
In short, people should hate homophobia and misogyny - not straight people and men. What is hating individuals of a particular demographic going to do to fix systemic problems?
@@thatqueenG I (and most people I know) don't live a logical life. We live emotional lives. We don't have experiences with misogyny or homophobia. We have experiences with people. I support whatever helps us have a better experience as long as it doesn't hurt others. I'm not totally convinced there is only one right way to contextualize the experiences people have. If a woman wants to dissociate from men, all the power to her. If a black person wants to dissociate from the black community, all the power to them. The only real issue is when you start making videos disparaging the group. I think that's corny and you're still holding on to the hurt instead of enjoying your life.
Ps. Institutions are just people even if it's not innate to their identity.
@@Daft_Sage yeah, imo I think this type of thinking leads to, for example, excusing women for thinking there is something fundamentally wrong with men as a class, rather than misogyny. All of this is just essentialism that only increases hatred.
Yes people can live their lives and dissociate from whatever groups of people they are triggered by, but I don't think it's healthy to justify that bias. Of course people don't live logical lives, but why not try to dismantle the illogical thinking you might have? this compliancy only leads to people feeling justified in all sorts of biases, then those same people can become employers, doctors, teachers, and part of the police, and before you know it all of those biases seam into institutions and end up hurting people.
Institutions are *made up* of people but disliking the system of policing is very different to disliking individual police officers. And even then, I am more sympathetic towards people's biases against individuals in positions of power that *abuse* people but biases aginst everyone of a specific gender, ethnicity, and the like, because of individual negative experiences are just irrational.
I was DEFINITELY in the "black girls didnt like me/made fun of me" category when I was younger but then I grew up and realized I was an annoying fat bastard and I probably would have bullied me too🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️😭😭😭😭
Ngl that’s some fucked up shit to say about yourself you didn’t deserve mistreatment nobody does
He's like the Frank Zappa of hip hop. Highly talented, musically impeachable, high-concept stuff. But content-wise could not be stranger.
“I want Candy! Bubblegum & Taffy-“
The fact that he named the song “Redbone” and sings about staying “woke” He worships white proximity in my opinion. And the few clips of Atlanta I’ve seen caters to the white gaze and making sure they feel comfortable
Bingo!!!
Wwwwoooooowwwwwwwwwww sis… that’s good
He has old videos on youtube of him literally "stealing" a white girl and carrying her out of her house.
You might want to watch more than just a few clips of Atlanta then, especially this last season. Not a defense of Glover because I do not engage with him much beyond the show. But like all people, there is more than his "black girls don't like me" issues. He's still a Black man in America and much of that is shown in Atlanta. Catering to the white gaze is not how I would describe that show.
You went there and I am not mad at all. Thank you for being honest😂!
We're all unlikable at times.
the paramore point was interesting. Would you apply that in general acrooss the board or just in these cases due to the specificity of the situation? (good faith , sometimes my tone in text don't carry)
Unc want the smoke this Sunday morning don't it. I'm here for it though.
I've seen the whole clip now, and as another long term fan of Donald Glover, you're not wrong fam. There isn't a lot of that in Because the Internet but go back to everything he made before that, it's undeniably sus as fuck from an intersectional standpoint. (Go read a 4chan incel post, then listen to "The Longest Text Message")He still a goat or whatever for what its worth but they all got they flaws
If you feel like really diving deep into because the internet (which thematically, anyway, is a 9/10) read the script that went along with the album. Long story, it's a purposeful build up from the character on camp who got rejected on the last song. Basically it's meant to be a critic of the 4 Chan troll guy who'sorigin stems from some type of discontent. You can say incel but it's deeper than that. It's more in the direction of negative nihilism.
Or just keep your take. I realized once I turned 30, it's harder to be flexible on things so I get it. End of the day it's your opinion. Just realize you're looking at the surface of it and not deeper with in the iceberg.
I never read the whole script, I'd have to go back to see that, I hope that there was a subversive self awareness in because the internet and I missed it.
@@signifiedbsides1129 No. His music is upheld because he's a man. Male fantasy > female fantasies. Incels and edgelords can talk all kinds of destruction they want to wreak on the world but when black women do it we're labeled Marxists. I like comics like The Antagonists which embrace the violence of the black female characters.
@@signifiedbsides1129 I remember checking the script and watching the short film way back (Clapping for the Wrong Reasons). It was pretty self-aware but I wouldn't call it subversive. Like, Glover acknowledged he was a nihilistic mess who should probably get his shit together but I don't remember him doing anything meaningful with it. The whole BTI project felt more like venting while testing things out for future projects.
Still a solid album and much less "potential school shooter"-y than Camp tho
@@Fooacta lol much less potentially school shooter-y. Wish the bar weren’t so low
I am Black, I am nerdy, quirky, awkward etc. I got rejected a lot when I was younger by Black women. I used to relate to the idea that majority of Black women wanted thugs and hood dudes. I did develop a monolithic view of Black women as a whole but as I got older I started to see different trends, women into some of the same things as me and some women even started to find me attractive because I am geniune and I don't attempt to fit any mold. I have only ever dated/been in relationships with Black women. I don't know if I will date outside of my race but if I do, I will not be surprised if someone digs up my old FB comments or Tweets and try to do this same BS that you're doing.
While I'm speaking on our community, I am far more perplexed on the fact that people will still patronize a Chris Brown, an R. Kelly or a Bill Cosby, but they will get up in arms about someone saying "Black women weren't into me". People who clearly exhibited misogynistic behaviors to women. Where is the invisible line drawn for our community? It's cringier for me to listen to those people, in my opinion. I'm just opening up the dialog.
Out here calling ME old by default 😆 good vibes and video.
I haven't heard anyone bring up some of those names in a bit.
I am very excited about this video. I have a very complicated love-hate relationship with DG because his music was an essential part of my coming of age. I am a nerdy Black woman, and was a nerdy Black girl when I found him. This was right before Camp dropped. I went back and listened to Sickboi and Pointdexter, all his mixtapes, even found his old MC DJ stuff and watched all the Derrick comedy stuff and Community. Believe me, if there was trivia about this man I'm sure I would win. You are an OG stan if you know about Mystery Team lmao. Also MC Cris was MC PP Pants in Aqua Teen Hunger Force I think.
I was a hardcore stan. When I was in high school I really did think he had some love for Black women because of the few lines about us in his music "shoutout to the natural Black girls that keep up with their tumblr", "light skinned girls you can put it in my video, dark skinned girls you can put it in my video" etc. Anyway, as I grew older and my politic developed (and I grew out of my coon phase) the ableist slurs, misogynoir, and other things really started to bother me and become cringey. Writing of Black women on Atlanta really pissed me off. His weird nihilistic but subtle anti-black rhetoric was just becoming unbearable... He is so dang talented and Black women really stanned for him until we started noticing his weirdo behavior. I truly don't get his vendetta against us. I wish he would just keep Black women out of his mouth. He is still at it to this day.
It's hard to let his content go. I've seen similar sentiments about Kanye West and Nicki Stans where they are highly disappointed in their favs, but their content was so essential and meaningful to their upbringing it is hard to let the artist go.
I just acknowledge how wack his views can be but still will go back and listen to even his stuff that came out in 07 lol. It's bittersweet. Just had to get that off my chest. Like others have echoed, I'd love that commentary on the "nerdy black girls just dont like me" myth because especially in DG's case that's a DAMN lie wrapped up in an insecure bow. Im sure if nerdy Black girls hated him, he wouldn't have shown up in Issa Rae's Misadventures of an Awkward Black Girl series or ever collaborated with Kilo Kish 🤷
Edit**** The Black women that DG has collaborated with off the top of my head is Issa Rae, Kari Faux, Kilo Kish, Lion Babe (?), and there are a few more but it's scarce. It's not true that he hasn't ever collaborated with BW, but I don't disagree that he doesn't fw us like that.
Man, I saw this title & I clicked so damn fast!! Aha I could not agree with you more! “Incel rap” is the perfect way to describe his rap!
Can't lie, hearing that another human remembers the Derek Comedy days makes me feel very seen.
That’s pretty much how I know him. I don’t watch any of his other content or see his music. He’s always gonna be “Jerry who pooped his pants” to me.
I would love to hear more of your thoughts on Atlanta, esp the most recent season
F.D., you followed the Nerdcore scene?? Daaaaamn...
I remember Zealous1 got me on the path to mainstream rap. 🤣 What a blast from the past...
Cringe? Really? His old mixtapes are what got me and so many people to become fans. It was more about growing up, not being liked and sex love and relationships. And the verses about relationships were like you said about black women not liking him. He never says anything about not liking black women. Your only valid point is that he’s only been seen dating non black women. But also in his verses he talks about wanting Rihanna, mentions Aaliyah, Rashida Jones, and was tied to Jhene Aiko. And truthfully if a whole race of women are blatantly telling you they don’t like you…is he supposed to be alone for ever? I have a friend who went through this. He dated all races, but always said he wanted black babies. As we grew up…he could never really win with black women. So he’s now engaged to a Latina woman. So no one’s to blame, but sometimes your preferences just aren’t matched. But incel? No. He had bars on those mixtapes. The same or better than his peers. Camp and Because the Internet are classic albums. You literally said they sound good, but he is cringe. So do you like it or not? Do you like him or not? Donald is a genius. Period. Everyone I let listen to him eventually becomes a fan.
I wanted to make the same comment but since you did, I don't have to. People will always criticize him for rhymes he made when he was younger but they don't complain about these rappers who constantly talk about murdering people. It's something about the Black community that I don't understand. A person saying [in the past] that he likes people of other races because people of his race didn't find him attractive is "unlikable" but I bet they like the person who raps about gow much they hate other Black people and want to take their lives. Make it make sense! 🤦🏾♂️
I was looking for this comment. Glovers work taught me a lot about growing up and helps me reflect on the past I always ran away from. They were never cringe because majority of those bars are part of the general truth and part of my truth.
@@RaptorSauceH exactly , I don’t know who this guy is, but he’s completely wrong. He finds this cringe and missed the point of the albums, but this compared to other rappers and gangster rap is light. Gambino s music was real and forward and had comedy in it. If dude doesn’t get that he missed the whole point. This video was real clown like lol. And he’s a clear jealous hater. Probably a failed rapper.
@@Andreravone I agree completely. This reviewer seems like a clown.
This shows how good a content creator you are that you post such a hot take and I watch the entire thing and like the video even though I disagree
Where can I find his livestreams !!!!!! I’ve been a fan of his for awhile and I JUST found this channel man
He has the full videos on his patreon.
This is real as hell. Especially being at that age growing up and connecting to Gambino. There were a ton of young black kids that didn't fit in that mold and were not excepted to the extent that they wish they were and drifted into the black incel mindset. It definitely takes time to unpack that.
As a huge fan of Donald Glover, I have to agree lmao
It's even weirder agreeing with you since you mentioned my three fave albums (cul-de-sac: which is a fair bit nieve musically and thematically but feels honest, camp: which has some heckin jams, but is quite very much a "I'm a weirdo" vibes, but also the journey of how he lost that innocence, and because the internet: the album that put a lot of my ideas about the internet into perspective, but also felt a bit like "I'm a weirdo, but that's now jaded me"
Sorry for the wall of text that no one will read, I've just really liked Childish Gambino for a long long time, even had that exact line in my bio on all social medias.
it's strange to me that I don't have to explain who he is to anyone any more - even my niece was like "oh the 'this is america' guy?"
Heckin weird.
The way Gambino talked about asian women still makes me cringe, eek. I like his music but i can't listen to some of the things because of that, can't watch the MVs either lol
Fiq, would love to see and hear your opinions on Atlanta! Please I feel like you would kill it!
im not buying the "black girls didn't like me" thing. is it that black girls didn't like you, or were you socially awkward (a turn-off that's just a fact of human psychology)? also, i find it interesting because there were a TON of Nerdy Black Girls. but the nerdy black boys fantasized about a CERTAIN TYPE of Black girl and got rejected. incels are gross. they think their pain is so special but it's like brudda, you yourself weren't checking for the nerdy black girls.
Also, the audacity of these incels as well. like, they'll blame women and be weird towards women for not wanting to date them before they take regular showers, get their money up, get buff, have a stable life, and make friends or do any of the things that most women want in a partner. that's why i think being an incel is mental illness.
like, women will sweat it out in the gym for MONTHS, watch their weight and what they eat, some will even go and get plastic surgery, try to expand her social circle, pick up a couple of hobbies, etc etc just so men will find them attractive (which i don't think is wrong btw, that's the reality of being heterosexual)
the whole policing of who people choose sexually misogynistic. a lot of "concern" around who people choose is just incel talk covered up. I know. I used to be one. this whole comment section is full of people "checking" CG. I'm not even a fan. women didn't like him cause he plain corny and tells people he's corny.
also no, OLD is the most common way people meet partners. more than 1/2 of Americans are overweight. most people go home and watch Netflix and order food. the fantasy of a society of people constantly "improving" themselves is currently a liberal fantasy based around individualism
Lmao if you can’t relate just say so. It’s nothing against looks it’s about how black women preffere a certain type.
2:22 and I still don't get what's unlikable or cringy about him - please serve us some facts! thank you
I been a bino fan for awhile and can agree. Going back and listening I hear it. However, how do we feel about his mixtape royalty? It was honestly always my fav, probably bc I love the features too tho.
I feel like royalty was when he became technically sound as a rapper. Cause he was still on those super telegraphed punchline bars all through Camp
With CG being one of my favorite artists since HS we could have a discussion about the subsection of "black girls dont like me" black masculine culture and it's weird relationship with the blerd subculture. Having seen both sides it's an interesting evolution.
Considering that he's got a project coming out with two black women (Dominique Fishback and Chloe Bailey) at the center, and some of his more recent work has a more mature approach to this topic (self-interview not withstanding) it's gonna be interesting to see how this evolves. An artist's job is to be honest about how they feel inside but to not stay in that place forever.
Dom Fishback is awesome
I was on another YT channel and there was another comment thread about how Black Male Actors need the fanbase of BW.
It seems that DG has realised that his previous portrayals of BW and his statements about BW leaves him in a precarious position re: the future of his career. So now he starts working with unambiguous BW to recover lost ground and secure his future.
Something similar happened with Rashida Jones, but for different reasons. She normally played "women of colour" or "white passing women". As she gets older, she's now mixed race and her Black half is getting more recognition.
I’ve been following Donald Glover since his days in Derrick Comedy (back in 2005/06). It’s been really amazing to see how he’s grown as a creative, and I think Atlanta is one of the funniest shows of the last decade.
One of the reasons why I identified w/ his work so strongly is b/c we have very similar backgrounds. I grew up a nerdy black kid in the Bronx, and caught hell from the girls in my neighborhood. They used to bully me, call me some of the most horrible names, and some even got their gang member brothers to try to jump me/stab me. Those were some really hard times for me, and some days I look back and wonder how I made it through. I was undiagnosed ADHD and depression, and lacked solid social skills. But I in NO WAY deserved to be treated this way by people that look just like me.
I was one of those “black girls don’t like” me guys for most of my teenage and early 20s. It wasn’t until YEARS of therapy really taught me to take people of all races on a person-by-person basis, and to not paint all BW w/ a wide brush stroke b/c of the few who used to terrorize me as a kid.
I think the fundamental issue here is that unfortunately, a lot of black folks think that there’s only 1 way to be black. And if you deviate from that in any way, you get ostracized/othered. What I don’t think a lot of us consider is that in order to be pro-black you must also allow other black people to express their blackness the way they see fit.
what island is this?
OMG! I've been following Glover since Derrick Comedy too! He is the 1st celebrity that I saw rise from nothing to super stardom, and it was magical! He was probably the first black nerd artist I discovered and connected with.
If I am honest with you, he was definitely not the funniest of the group to me. That was Dominic Dierkes. By far. He was the one I was betting on to explode. I was very surprised that Donald was the one to who did out of the 3.
Like you, I found out about his music years later, and I've always enjoyed Gambino's mixtapes more than his albums. You gotta tell me now, what are your favorite Derrick Comedy sketches? For me, it's Self Defense, Daughters, National Spelling Bee, and Keyboard Kid. I think they still hold up today.