Professional AoE2 Player vs 2 Intermediate Players (1600)
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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More like this?
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You should probably do a no-rush 20 minutes when playing 2v1.
As much I enjoyed this I just can't see my hero losing 11 so no please
People sometimes forget how good 1600 actually is. Even though it's far from the top 100, these guys are definitely not noobs.
intermediates
1600s are definitely good enough to pull off competent feudal archer/cav all-ins with chosen civs. They would be much weaker if they went for a macro game instead, or comps that require better unit control like monks siege.
@merdufer facts. I'm near 1500 and this is totally me. If I get a good match up and some good exchanges early game, I can just roll my opponent with 1 TC all-in knights or something 😂. God forbid the game go to imp
@@rikinotdeath 11... yeah, I feel like you could definitely consider these players advanced. Sure, they are not pros, but they are borderline top 10% of ranked players in the world, so I would consider them a step up from intermediate 11..
@@pgalbraith2 im over that 10% and i suck ass, i barely know my build orders and units
Spoiler:
Gotta say, I am around 1500, and was thinking no way he wins this. Glad my ego did not have to take that hit ^^. Good fun
1500-1600 is already in the top 10% statistically, i would consider them better than intermediate.
1100-1300 is intermediate for me
Thank you for putting out content like this. The vulnerability and real content is amazing! Everyone learns a lot and enjoys watching these!
These 2 are by no means intermediate, very good players in their own right. Both had good army and their castle times were the same as yours proving they had good eco too. How you lasted this long highlights how good you are.
idk im 1444 with 200hrs in ranked and i wouldnt call myself anything but intermediate
@@baron_xd4633 intermediate is prob less than 1k. I guess it depends on how the far the scale is considered above and beyond average lol. I mean look at UK football league. All 4 divisions are professional yet there is a huge difference between the top 2 in prem, then the next 4, then arguably the rest in that league. So we have 3 tiers if you like in 1 division.
@@MartiEverton there might be a difference between time invested vs results, which plays a role aswell. there are a lot of 1k players with 1k hours, those i consider different than someone basically picking up the game, learning a build order and somehow competing above average
hera go to 17:40 and thank the devs for the new and improved pathing ;)
this vid was dope, but i think the format of 'pro vs multiple people' is very enticing... as for the vid, if there were cuts, i didn't notice/feel them (so well edited, if edited; if not edited, then it's just the same old but gold :P)
ps : do you think you could win a 1v7 vs the extreme AI ? on either arabia, arena or islands (islands you likely would ngl)
either way, stay cool and i'll b waiting for the day, when you start douching people 11
Hera my dude, I'm being pedantic, but 1600 ELO is most certainly not an intermediate player. They are probably in the top 5 or 10% of all ranked players. Intermediate players are in the 900 to 1200 ELO range, or thereabouts.
900 elo is pretty begginer player. They always have at least 1 minute idle tc in dark age, and way more in feodal. You just have to not forgot to use your ressource, without caring of any strategy, timing, build order or anything, to win pretty easily. 1100 to 1200 is more what is intermediate players, you could be at this level in 1 or 2 month if you play seriously, regularly with a guide. Yes it’s already the top 30% of players base, but many players don’t really ry to improve or don’t know how to
@@zudaha im 950 elo and have a perfect dark age but dont know anything about fuedal/castle/imp, so the always is not true
900 is definitely a beginner. I'd say players become intermediate around 1100 elo, where they already know the basic strategies and can apply them relatively well. And yeah, 1600 elo is definitely advanced, if not more.
1600 is intermediate man ( at that elo people just cover the basics), 900 to 1200 are noobs
@@dan-kn3dm To me, this is reductionist. I realize that defining these words is not very important, especially to good players, but seriously: If you have someone that is 800-900 ELO, has played 500-1000 online games (and who knows how much against the AI), has largely eliminated (30 seconds or less) DA idle time, etc, and wins 50% of their games, how can you call that person a "beginner"? If they are a beginner, what is the person that has played less than 10 games? Less than 100 games? Those are people that a 900 ELO person can crush every single time on any map.
To further address your point, I am ~700 ELO. I still have 1-1:30 of idle time in DA, plus MANY other problems. I've played about 250 online games and many more against the AI. I can beat hardest regularly, and extreme sometimes. 900 ELO people utterly crush me. Every single game. When I play someone at 500-550 ELO, I win 80-90%. Anyone under 500 is not even a game for me, despite how much I suck.
My point is that if you call everyone under 1000 "beginner", the word stops having any meaning if you're not talking to other top 10% players.
I think a game with 3 teams & watching the replay afterwards would be hilarious. You on a team, a team that is a pair of 1400 players, & then a team of either 4 ~800 ELO players or 3 ~1000 ELO players.
That would be amazing tbh
Hera PLEASE do this 11. It would be awesome.
I am a 800 elo player. Seeing how people in my elo play (not exluding myself) I feel like Hera could still take us 1v4 with atleast 2 resigning before ever reaching Castle :D
@@lukakajevic7927 I think so too, but I think a team of a pair of 1400s could change things & make it more interesting. If it's just one vs four there is little risk of a counter attack, because hera won't be worried much about 800 elo players raiding him while he's ending 1 or 2 of them, however if one of the 1400s or both attack him early on the 800s may survive long enough to boom up.
@@richardgallimore5976 I agree but take in mind, at 800 elo, even those who boom dont really boom like higher elo players. The vill count is rarely ever over 100, the blacksmith isnt used by all and counters to what the enemy is building often mean nothing to them. Ngl I won a nice amount of games by a 4 man at arms early Goth rush with a barracks follow up and Im 800 elo myself.
I'm 1650-1700 myself and also thought that there is just no way you can do this against two 1600. two 1450-1500 and it would be a totally different story. I think there is a big skill gap from 1450 lets say 1600. Still possible vs two 1600 if they fail to adjust to strategy like wall/FC/ECO approach I believe. Vs 2 1700 I think this challenge would be close to impossible. Anyways, this type of content - the best! Keep it going !
I’m saying this before watching the video. No way you can beat 2 1600 players 🙈
I agree, it should be exceedingly hard to do so....its kindoff like hera needs to have at least a 2:1 KD against a team whose eco grows 2x faster and an army twice as large. The team just needs to keep trading army starting from feudal age (even taking slightly inefficient fights just to idle Hera's vills). Even if 20 vs 10 becomes 5 vs 0 and those 5 guys idle stuff/do something and its better for the 2 player team.
1500-1600 is more like upper-intermediate, I'd call 1000-1200 intermediate
1000 1200 are shitty players
1600 is top 5% of the ranked meta. It's a very high rate, definitely not intermediate
As a 1600ish it feels nice to read this. So devastating to get completely rekt by 2k+ players
Trueeee
Hera, new challenge: You have to play against any combination of players whose elo sums to equal yours (2 1450s, 7 400s, or anything in between). What do you think you have the best chance against?
love the content, two 1600 is probably just too hard i guess. It went better than i expected tbh.
The double house trick to save that vill! My Goodness!
😂
This is awesome! I would love to play a game with you after I practice a bit more. You’ve came a long way through the years.
not the usual type of 2 v 1 video I watch online, but entertaining none the less.
lol
Result didnt surprise me at all. Nice effort though. It doesnt matter how good you are you cant compete against twice the military and eco power of this elo range. The game mechanics dont really allow it. I think maybe at 1300/1400 level it would be a gg for you.
Great game!
Btw. I think that your opponent made mistake at in 14:30, that he hadn't tried to rush your farms when he got many cavalery. That would definitelly slow down your economy and made it even harder for you.
I dont think it is possible to defeat 2 * 15xx players. Maybe 2 * 11xx players might be possible. The level of players has gone up a lot at the mid elo levels in the past 2 years.
Seemed fun game :) love mixing of skills expecialy when top players invol
Honestly I can't believe how long you held here, gg to the 1600s
Amazing try, loved how you garrisoned vils around enemy units.
I wonder if MAA was the play on defense? Even with fletching, red's archers would only do 2 damage against the +2 armored MAA. If you had 4 or 5 in defense, they could have repelled that intital attack and with a couple of spears, they would have done well vs the scouts as well.
Definitely a different type of challenge for a pro player, should do more of this.
I think TaToH in that Mario Ovalle event will be the only time a pro beats 2 1600s. The pro has to be the one getting away with something cheesy, which means the 1600s have to play it a bit dumb.
Backseat pondering: would potato (or even tidy) walls around towers make it so neither scout nor archer army could camp under them and villagers could potentially still work (for scouts)? Walling in towers is definitely something that gets harped on for forward towers, but i think it could have really helped when defending as well. Might only actually be useful in scenarios like this where it's more weaker players vs fewer stronger players.
-800 ELO plebe
Yeah could have helped here. But it has cost both in wood and villager time so you don’t really want to do it needlessly when your eco is shit. You also don’t want to block your own vills from running it garrisoning.
/~1600 pleb
Definitely true!! He was already doing so much it was crazy!
Damn. I was convinced Hera is going to destroy them
Don't sell yourself short with the $150 cost for a game. You're currently the best player in the world. It's a bargain for anyone with the money who loves aoe2.
Watching a pro play AOE is like watching magic :)
Didn’t Hera coach Takerofthehill? I swear I’ve seen that username before.
Yes, 11, the video is "typical mistakes a 1500 makes" or something 11
"intermediate players" = those in the 95% percentile :D
I beat the Romans easily on Arabia with Tuetons today. Bombard canons on arena are OP
I'm sure if the two hadn't been together, hera would have won.
We need a rematch!
Well, as other people have said, 1600 is actually on the upper end of intermediate, and the result is that both players knew well enough to execute their half of a typical team-game meta cav/archers combo, which is not easily repelled in an open map.
With that being said I don't think the Romans were the right pick. OP or not, the fact is the man-at-arms rush is too predictable and not very effective to follow up on. An archer civ might have been better, to really abuse better micro and get good trades.
Get a teammate or two and go 2v4 or 3v5?
So impressed! I believed you were going to win.
1600 players know the whole game and can mostly make good strategic decisions and make use of their resources. they dont have the same micro as you but with 2 tcs vs 1 against people who can keep producing and not sit on res you stood no chance 😂 highly entertaining anyhow
Watching and playing online, 1600 is more like top of rank, after that only pro land ahead, intermediate is more like 1100~1300, having seen hera and other pros, there is a 70~80% chance a two 1600 team would win a 2v1 against a pro, something more in the 50% chance would be a team of a 1600 and a 1200
I realy think Hera has no chance against 2 1500/1600 Players as long as both play aggressive and you cant take them out one by one.
GG! Fun watch
i think u have more realistic chance against 2x 1400, they played very well.
Do a 1v7 but you have max handicap bonus (as in, you get buffed) while everyone remains the same
a 1600 could 1v7 the top players in the world on max handicap and easily win. its crazy how strong it is. you can easily be fully stonewalled in the first 5 minutes and be spamming hundreds of knights across the map by minute 15
Those elos are higher than I expected XD
Would be fun to do the same but only one of them play army, and the other one economy only. You would maybe have a chance against these 2 guys.
Inter's too strong for 2v1. I'd like to see a 3 inters vs Hera/Viper. A clan's top line versus. That would be an interesting test for all involved.
1500 elo guys didn't split army and fight together lol.... Few archers and scouts on each sides would be lethal .... Each were attacking from one sides .. so spears was a threat to scouts
Yeah but surprising considering they’re a clan. But I guess they wanted to attack both sides. Also that ELO doesn’t really have perfect strategy.
@@edwardblom2661 It's not just elo they had like 100 1v1s so... There are different players at each elo..... Same elo more games you are more experienced and knows what to do so you approach differently
gg bro.. fun watching
Wanna see vs 3x 1200 elo now and see how that goes.
This 1600 ELO is like 1800 or almost 1900 in voobly rated , so it is so hard!
It'd be interesting to see this but as a 2v4 with you and Lierey
I know you hate arena but maybe it might be a more fair matchup for 1v2 . I personally won a 1v2 vs 1000 elo players on arena with a fast imp turks .
On closed maps in general is much less skill gap between pro and 15+ players. On arena too many ways to win 100% games 2vs1.
@@valger3652 no i think It can avoid you being raided to death, like in this game .
@@raphaelguerin2691 Keeping own eco safe is very difficult task , but at same time on arena - static gameplay is not forsing mistakes from opponents with that level. 15+ players will manage untouch boom not much worse than top player. Also vs2 on arena there is no chance vs 1rush / 1 boom.
Army control, multitasking, managing eco behind in messy game - is big part of pros's edge . Question is what strategy/civ gives better chances. I think on arabia with correct strat and some luck with map its not impossible to win for Hera.
@@valger3652 well honestly I think 1500 is just too high to 1v2 on any map . The limit might be 1400 ish .
@@raphaelguerin2691 Yeah, probably. I think from all maps - nomad with spanish gives best chances vs 2x 15xx.
I feel like next time they have to go random civ but you can pick
what did they say? "arlamaa!!" ?
Thanks great game, is 2 hard against twoo 1500, maybe against twoo 1100.
Two 1600s are too strong. A fairer fight would be vs two 1300s. Plus the morans should have let you boom for the challenge. It's like extreme ai. Weak af if you rush it. But decent if you let it boom
u got really unlucky with the maa btw probably should have full walled and made skirms
guys im new to the competitive side of this game
i want to know why he loose?
I want to see a 1v7 against 600 elos
YES MORE!
that pathing at the end
How can they be 1600 with so few games and 50% winrate? is team rm mmr used to initially match you in rm?
wdym few games? one has 100 games and the other 400 lol
@@olecram207 i was talking about the player with 100 games, i got confused. Anyway i was just asking as i am a new player and wanted an insight on how mmr works. Maybe the first guy is on a smurf account, i find it hard to think someone picking up rankeds and getting 1.6k in 100 games, and also it's a little weird even hypotetically winning the first 10 games in a row and then going 1 win 1 loss and being 1.6k
@@petro-大丈夫 its very possible, i got to 1300 in like 20 games or even less, then to 1400 in like 30-40 games? i got flamed a lot because people thought i was a smurf, which i am not. If you're on a winstreak you will get more points bc youre way better than the current ELO youre at.
@@petro-大丈夫 the amount of games are just what they played in definitive edition, so they could have 1000 games more in older aoe2 versions or in unranked mode
It’s just the ranked game play in the ladder. He could also play against friend, and for me, it’s a more usefull tool to improve than play ranked game in the ladder. You can’t train with a sparing partner, lear how to,counter some specific strategy, or work specific timing.
You should pair with a 1000 and play against two 1600s.
hey I take only 50 dollars per game if anyone is interrested. (I'm 1080 ELO)
Salah satu game favorit ku❤
loved it
GG
$150 is not expensive, the guy you will play against is literaly the number 1 on the scene
Well, it's a game that not many people play. But it's not a rip-off. Nobody needs to have to play him. And it's the price he thinks is probably best for the amount of people who choose to do it.
definitely expensive but some can for sure afford it
Yep, i thought it would be tough. And it was! Your facial expressions say it all. Must be very tiring.
Наконец то и сам Герасим в полной мере ощутил то, что так хорошо знакомо нам, простым смертным - чувство абсолютной беспомощности и неотвратимости поражения :))))))
I hate how ugly the trees look like
Noobs sub 1000
Rookies 1000/1200
Low inters 1200/1400
Inters 1400/1600
Inter plus 1600/1800
Advanced 1800/2000
Experts 2000/2200
Professionals 2300+
1 v 7 700 elo would be fun
I think you could beat 2x1200-1300
1v7, lets gang up on him!
One additional rule you could make is that they both need to pick same civ. That way they will not have two separated team bonuses and two differently focused civs. They would still have crazy advantage, but it would be more manageable
Yeah but if it’s a cub that counter hera ´s then having two of them would be way worse . At least with 2 different civs you are sure to be able to manage 1 of them .
@@raphaelguerin2691 True, but they could still pick something like Magyars/Huns. One goes scouts->knights while the other one goes archers-> xbow/CA
you should fight Viper for about $2fity
There i was think i was intermediate at 1050 😅
really hard 😅
Hope they not bragging after cheering with Ethiopians and Magyar aggro. They should have let you boom
U guys I don’t think Hera is neither underestimating them nor wanting to win lol it’s just fun..
Plus he charges haha
Im definitely trying to win these, if u think otherwise u dont know me lmao
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 xd of course I don’t know you! And what I meant is that if you lose one of these games is not a big deal and it’s good practice but there’s not the same pressure as in other competitions.
The 1v2 is from the beginning hopeless for you, I think already two 1300 win this easily.
You look exausted m8
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1.6 intermediate kkkk
If you had won this game I would have taken this game and petitioned the devs to give it the same Hindustanis treatment that they gave. The infantry is OP in all stages of the game. The cavalry beat standard cavalry civs. They don't need archers because their scorpions are cheaper than archers. They can beat any naval civ on water in Feudal Age. Their Dromons can annihilate anything on the shorelines and don't need chemistry.
What do you even do against this civ. Even very heavy cavalry civs cannot do it as halbs have extra armor. They should remove halb from Romans...
@@Phronesis10371600 was way too high, at this elo players are very solid. 1300 is probably more realistic
Removing halbs would only affect the Romans in Imperial Age, at which point they effectively only have 1 extra melee armor (Teutons have +2). I think some better changes would be things like a starting resource penalty (to offset their economic advantage), adjust the scorpion cost decrease, and nerf Centurion (possibly through cost/creation speed)
@@jasonsmith1950 why? As Roman player you mostly use Legion, Centurio and Skorpions. Crossbows and Monks are strategies but in the end you use only this 3 units to take down an enemie or not. Why complaining about a civ they work like every other?
@@Phronesis1037 I'd say multitasking is the biggest obstacle in improving. If you constantly attack a mid elo player and give no breathing room he will crack pretty quickly. Just a thought from my 1200 elo experience
I think I can beat you on arena with my secret sauce strategy. Anyone Wana put up $150 lol?
1600 on PC top #2500
1600 on controller top #100