HI, As an old gamer who's been gaming since 1986 I personally developed a standard Modus operandi regarding buying games: 1. Never (ever) preorder a game no matter what you've been told, heard or seen. 2. Never buy a game Day 1. 3. Always check independant reviews/gameplay on the game BEFORE buying any game. 4. If you have the patience: wait +/- a year after release then buy the game at -70% on sale + all DLCs.
I took your advice and bought the game on the Steam Summer Sale for 6 dollars. Which also includes the season pass. My game crashes in Prague though when on DX 12. My system is more than capable. I get 120+ fps with very high settings.
@@adamothman1124 I think it's a great game. It really depends. If you liked Human Revolution or Immersive Sims in general you will like it. The gameplay is better than Human Revolution but story and atmosphere are a little worse.
Games are being sliced up and sold to us bit by bit through DLC and Micro transactions and the more we buy the more they slice up and sell us, STOP BUYING IT FFS!
DLC had so much potential for developers to give us more frequent content, extra units in RTS games etc, contact with the community, LOADS of potential but it's just used to fuck us all up the arse from day one, it's bullshit. You wait for a game hyped to fuck... it pops on the store half finished and yup there it is... that fucking £40 season pass or some elite rifle for £3.99 or other bullshit. I'm glad I got to see gaming before this garbage... I'd never know any different. I feel bad for gamers that think this is how it's always been.
"you don't have to buy them". "i can afford it". It's consumers who say these things that make this type of business model so acceptable to developers these days. Remember back when you paid for a game and it was complete? When did buying an incomplete game then buying the remaining pieces become okay?
Who said this is incomplete game ? This is a fully complete game with about 30 hrs play time.. Do you know what the micro transactions are for ? they are for in-game money. eg gta online.. There are no pieces here. As i said no content of the game is hidden behind the microtransaction
Microtransactions are a negative to a game. I think devs did not allow the paid reviews to mention them. Like PC reviews not mentioning 30FPS cutscenes that pulls you out from an amazing smooth experience to a stuttery blurry mess in a Fully priced Seasoned Passed Micro Infested cashgrab of a cheap game.
How better to show modern AAA is shit, but showing how the old boys did it better. It's the sort of thing that sparks "renaissance" in an industry- if not from the top then certainly the new blood. (Sort of like how Shovel Knight took the best bits of old platformers).
In light of games like Batman Arkham and Shadow of Mordor- it strips difficulty. How early could you get X-ray in the old and new game, and how much does it show? Perhaps Mack felt it showed too much and made it too easy compared to the point in the game you can first get it?
Yeah but I’m the original you had to work your freakin ARSE off to get the X-ray vision. And you wouldn’t get it till near the end of the game, so it feels earned. Here you can buy it with your Visa card and completely waltz through the game with no challenge whatsoever. So I’m with Mack, it is a fucking joke.
Petitions don't do a damn thing. No one cares how much you complain. They care about your money. Only after people stop buying all this shit, will things change.
+Topdamagewizard Support the pirates instead? Sounds like a good logic. No wonder why devs are releasing shitty badly optimised triple A games on pc. They are not focusing on pc because they know they will be robbed anyway.
What a shill of an excuse that is. Not focused on PC because of piracy? You say that as if console piracy isn't a thing, when the used game market, essentially sanctioned piracy, was robbing millions from these moron AAA developers. It certainly didn't stop them from still focusing on the console market. No. Piracy is just a convenient excuse some game makers use to justify their half-assed cash grabs (PC ports). There is no basis in fact to support their claims anyhow, and Valve already shoved a giant baby pacifier in the mouths of these whiny game publishers and devs when Steam essentially revived the PC game market with no excuses and no man-baby tears.
SpenzOT Console piracy isn't nearly as big as PC. Don't give me that shit. In our country, 95% pc gamers(cunts) play pirated games. Ps2 and Xbox 360 have hacks but but Ps4, Ps3 Xbox one hacks are not even available here. People can buy original console games from stores. I just showed an example. It's the same case in most of the countries. Mack mentioned this in Far Cry 4 review but he didn't mention it later on. Rockstar Games said in an interview that they wont be releasing Red Dead on pc because of the hackers.
It's so depressing to see 99% of the population condoning micro transactions, day one dlc and just plain greed from developers. Taking an individual stand against then feels like a lost cause
The only ones we hear saying that's all successful are the people who make it. They wouldn't tell us if no one bought it now would they? And never silence yourself. Always speak up. It encourages others who feel the same to join in. Go to their forums and complain. Go to their social media accounts and complain. Go to all your online forums and message boards and complain. It breeds "memetic information" that spreads. Never deny the world the power of your opinion.
You just confirmed my suspicions. You don't seem to give a damn about the topic that was spoken of. You are one of those people who like to grind on grammar and other shit like that. Most likely so you can feel intellectually superior to 99% of the population ;) And while I'm here, i'd just like to point out that when i use the word "population" i am obviously talking about the gaming population, not the entire world population. Anyway, its time for you to respond and pick out where i should have used a comma or spell check my text for me.
And after all this time we still don't how you feel about DLC and Micro transactions! You must be fun at dinner parties. Please do not expect another reply because your fixation on the terms i am using is giving me a migrane.
People who defend microtransactions don't understand scaling and second-order effects. One player opting in or out is irrelevant. Hundreds of thousands of players spending millions of dollars supporting a system that rewards greed and ruins games is something else entirely. For better or worse, you'll get what you pay for.
One thing I love about these games and Ive finished all of them multiple times is that; I play the game like splinter cell, im incredibly stealthy and im aiming not to enter any combat at all. i dont even want to be discovered. but, as shown in your review, you can go through this game just semi stealth (or even guns blazing) and its just as rewarding, just as fun, and just as much of a challenge. And the game caters to this with the wide variety in overt and covert augments :)
Jim Sterling just released another update. According to an inside source from Eidos, the micro transactions were forced on them by Square Enix. Eidos had no intentions for it, designed game as if they weren't there but at the end as they were finalizing bug fixes Square Enix made them add it.
***** yes, but is it usual that the publisher waits to the last second to tell the developer to add them, after the game was built to be played w/o them?
Mack I have not yet seen the video but I know you are Gorman bash it for things like third person and x ray vision And I don't understand why you have such a strong preference for first person Games are made to have fun too Not always be 'hardcore' all the time Yes I have played more FPS than TPS But you gotta realize it's not just today that TPS games are appearing they have here for decades And you just gotta accept the fact that third person games can be good(I know you like a few) but you also bash them for being third person
Usually I agree with X-ray vision argument but it fits into the theme and story of this game so I don’t see your argument here. Love you videos max. Keep it up
It's definitely worth a buy and all you need to do is ignore the microtransactions. I picked it up last year in a sale and am loving a second playthrough on Game+. This game is a 9/10 in anyone's book and gets my thumbs up over Cyberpunk, for example, any day.
ikr -.- meh I'm better than you because because some of the shit he says is beyond resonable glad to see people calling him out on it. And when's he even finally going to gamescon heen talking about it four years even I managed to go year before last with a few mates and we're casuals but I guess I'm just a fan boy cause I like destiny lol
I've gotta say, Mack. I was honestly tempted to buy this game on the day it was released, but then I remembered that amidst all of the greed and paid reviewers, there's one beacon of hope and reason whom I can truly, honestly trust. It's you, Mack. I didn't buy it, even though I already counted the money on my bank account and did the calculations on whether I'd survive until the next rent if I did. I read reviews and reseached the subject but I just couldn't shake the paranoia; couldn't trust a single review I read. I'm so, so very glad that I waited and saw your review of it. As the game stands right now, I'm not going to buy it for the price they're asking me to pay. Maybe after Steam's Christmas sales or something of the sort, but not now. It's honestly a huge shame because I started to play through Human Revolution and got halfway through, just to amp myself up for Mankind Divided. But lo and behold, they managed to ruin this game, too. Damn shame. Once again, huge thanks. You've saved me, and no doubt countless others, a lot of money. Keep being great, Mr. Beacon of Reason. :)
Me too.After 15 years of gaming he made me realize that I'm not a real gamer(whatever that means)and I'm a pussy for playing how I want.Apparently I'm a console peasant even tough I always played on PC,too.
the microtransactions in this game really demonstrate what Totalbiscuit was talking about when he said "I used to type in a cheat code, now I type in a credit card number". (paraphrasing).
I have never been so shocked by any of your reviews before this haha :D all them good things and it got thumbed down - I totally understand, just shows what corporate greed can do.
I've heard that the PC version has a mouse acceleration glitch. Even on console I've noticed that when you climb a ledge your movement accelerates really fast for a split second, makes trying to move around a crowded room without been seen kinda awkward.
Except if everyone did as you did, we would have no big budget games... Certainly there would not be any sales. "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction." A buy at full price is a way to express that you fully support the game and want to see more like it. You aren't just buying the game, you're asking for a sequel.
Previous squabbles aside, I appreciate ya Mack. I only had a mild interest in this (because I don't buy brand new games), but I did take a look at some impressions and various reviews from major sites... Had I not seen a post on reddit talking about it, this video would've been the first and only thing I'd heard of the micro-transactions, which is flabbergasting because of how insulting they are in this case. To go through reviews/videos of over half a dozen of the biggest sites, and to not see a single word about it is frankly insane. What, was the button and store page completely hidden before the day 1 patch AND they're completely incapable of editing their articles after launch? You not only called them on their bullshit, but you where willing to tank the rating because of it. That's exactly what I would've done, and i really respect you for doing the same. On a more technical side, thankfully even though it has Denuvo and in-game microtransactions, they didn't seem to really obfuscate the values for the things they are charging for among others, so for the time being Cheat Engine and trainers are working as usual and you can get around all these things. That's not to say that this won't change however... a quick transition to cloud-verified saves or even outright online-only DRM isn't outside of the realm of possibility. The real teller for me is going to be if they decide to take any action with patching after a bunch of RUclips videos and reddit threads pop up showing how to get infinite amounts of everything they're selling with seconds of effort... Though regardless unless they completely undo it all and say sorry, all the console players are out of luck. If they wanted people to experiment and have fun, good ol' cheat codes would've done that while deserving praise rather than the (hopefully) massive backlash to come...
+Cristian Villavicencio I don't think consoles have anything to do with it. I'm a console player and I'm playing divinity original sin and that shit is as old school as it gets. Classic CRPG running on a console and I'm having a blast. It's all up to the developer, if they wanna do a Bethesda or if they truly want to make a great game, it's up to them.
ZeroHxC07 Oh there are worse then bethesda, them supporting modding is actually a huge thing IMHO. Square Enix, EA,Activision, Ubisoft...the list can go on a lot longer. Nowadays these guys are pretty big and they make big piles of bantha piss which wasn't always the case. I don't think it's consoles alone that are to blame but rather the consumer in general. I will NOT buy a game with microtransaction out of principle but others will and will even pay for the microtransactions showing devs/publishers hey: people want this shit. Yet I have to say consoles are part of the problem. You can't make a game complicated for console gamers because they only have like what? 12 buttons? Other ways to make them complex are with depth of character development...which some devs no longer do. Streamline is the word and I fucking despise it with all my might.
+Cloudstar MacLeod I agree but streamlining is not always bad, it's just the evolution of thing before use to take 4 button presses now take 1. That is not the problem it's hat your said, it the lack of depth in the games themselves. It b cause current gamers want instant gratification, compare bf1 and verdun, same setting but they games are completely different. One is focused on realism and being careful and playing the game right. On the other hand bf1 is all about running around like a jackass. Guess witch game is gonna die first?
Mack doesn't do cover or X-ray, but he does use the stealth invisibility where you can stand in front of an enemy and smash them in the face when they walk up to you... Hypocrite?
Mack, I'll tell you, you make me laugh, really make me laugh all the time. I just watched this video, and I also laughed, but then I realized how much of a PC gamer you really are, and how much love you have for it. Am I offended that you feel the way you do about console jockeys? NO... not in the sense of it, but I do want you to realize something about us, and about me, really. I have specific reasons that i play console games, I grew up on them ever since Atari, and have never stopped and have never thrown my love away for them since then.. Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo.. I could go on but I think you get the point. There's nothing wrong with sitting in front of a television, controller in hand, and enjoying a game. That's what it's all about, at least for me. Just trying to throw some personal thought your way, we love ya, and we appreciate your reviews just the same as anyone else. I bought Deus Ex Mankind Divided on my PS4 yesterday, and am enjoying the hell out of it, Boy-o. Cheers to you, and whoever else who reads this :)
Your verdict makes no sense. The game isn't ruined at all by some optional microtransactions. Not-at-all. I paid 30 euros for my copy and have no need to even look at the microtransactions. Everything is fine. I appreciate the effort of the publisher and devs to make a product that I care about, which cost them tens of millions to make, and that I can grab for 30-60 euros. If some people wanna support the publisher for them to continue making games like these, I'm fine by that. It's kind of like buying a t-shirt from a youtuber to support them. It's optional.
fuckyea. I'm buying the game because this simply won't affect my experience. I'm not taking up the political cause of others out of some sense of guilt they want me to feel. Paying for shortcuts is tacky. I wish they were just free cheat codes. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't care.
Certainly not everyone, but I've witnessed a lot of guilting over the years to do with just this sort of thing. I think you take a balanced approach and I appreciate that, but not everyone is so reasonable. And thanks, I look forward to seeing how the thing turned out!
You just don't get it man, it's not about not needing it or ignoring it or wether or not it affected the experience. It is an objective suspect business practice. It is in their best interest to sell you more shit, and even if IN THIS CASE IT DIDNT AFFECT THE GAME you are supporting something that is opening you up for a good throat fucking later. So good luck with that.
The notion that this is a bad practice seems to rely on an appeal to tradition. They've adjusted their business model and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's down to the way you think about it and what your notions of fairness are.
Hows the balance? Doesn't matter they can buy skill points if they need em. Hows the economy? Does it matter they can buy gold/credits if they need them? Hows the progression? Well we're literally selling every indication of player progression does it really matter? ^where I see it going But hey if you trust a company to be looking out for your wallet and not have their own best interests at heart that's cool I guess. Personally I will never buy a 60$ single player experience where the first question I have to ask is "was this final product compromised by an attempt to get more money out of micro transactions." If a dev doesn't even respect the balance of their own "art" why should I.
I play the game like you, and I have been loving it. Also the item indicators off, because I want to find them myself, Not have the game basically tell me "Hey here's crafting parts here, hidden behind this crate!"
Bit harsh Mack. Of all the micro-transaction business models, pay-to-cheat (which is what this is) is surely the most benign. If you can't complete a game normally, on the easiest level or too stupid to learn how to crack a single-player game once you have completed it, let the devs make a little more from that incompetence/stupidity. Mitigating this without transactions would mean fewer people would get to play the whole game, more frustration, bad reviews etc. from the people who are simply no good at games. Result; devs dumb-down the game ruining it for people like you and I. A pure micro-transaction model would be pay-to-win (mitigating learning & skill), pay-to-access (base game, more content not accessible) or pay-to-play (timers) - all of which fundamentally alter the core experience for all players. This model simply ensures that the base game is authentic enough for the 'hardcore' player and accessible enough for the 'casual' player (or perhaps disabled?). For the devs, the authenticity ensures they serve the long-time fanbase, the accessibility ensures that all players can play it through to the end without frustration and all of the content and experience they spent time crafting can be experienced by all. Essentially they are monetising cheat codes. *shrug*
Having cheats for sale incentivizes companies to make games more unfair in order to get people to buy the cheats. It is quite likely that they don't give out as many perk-points as they would've without the shop.
eddebrock okay, I agree it *could* incentivise developers to make games harder and potentially only winnable by buying "cheats". Can you cite where this has happened? We're talking about a game so hard that you - or at least the vast majority of players - can only finish a game by cheating.
The thumbs down is definitly a bit harsh but the review explains his logic quite well. Mack still delivers some of the best reviews on RUclips. I bought the game and my verdict is "get it during the Christmas sale" just because of the condition of mouselook, a few bugs, and the framerate issues.
At least Mack rebinds his keys. I use RDFG for movement keys, Mack does TFGH and as far as I know he's the only reviewer on RUclips who actually uses non-standard keybinds. That makes Mack different. TotalBiscuit does talk about keybinds but I get the impression he usually plays on WASD, it can be hard to catch some of the problems that games have unless you re-bind every command in the game. Mack also has some of the most relevant reviews on racing games, I appreciate that.
+Prashanna Ss ...That's weird, you're right that my comment isn't related to what Tr33fiddy said. I might have been reacting to other comments when I wrote that. While I personally don't think the microtransactions in Deus Ex are a big deal, I'm fine if Mack makes a big fuss about it, the attitude is understandable. Seeing these in what Totalbiscuit calls "the quintessential PC game" could be seen as a bit insulting, it has to do with the attitude of the publisher toward the franchise. Are they treating it like a flagship title for the PC platform? Mack is reacting to this game differently than he would any other because of the pedigree, you don't eat fast food in a classic Ferrari and you don't put microtransactions in a Deus Ex game. People react to things differently depending on how much they care about the subject, this review just reflects how much Mack cares about the franchise.
I'm happy that the new era of immersive sims allows you to play similar to the classic stuff. I played Dishonored without blinking and with tweaked AI and it felt a lot like Thief with worse levels. It's nice to know that DE:MD allows you to ignore certain gameplay elements and even more that Dishonored 2 allows you to choose to not even have powers.
I think this game is fine how it is. The gaming industry is not gonna stop cash grabbing. Its like expecting politicians being honest. I think if the game isnt broken and incomplete then who cares. If your going to thumb down cash grab then you will like maybe 3 games a year. What gets my goat is unisoft kings of e3 with flush tech demo and then gamers are still confused when it looks like a child programmes and coded the game.
So we should all accept it and pipe down is what you;re saying? I'm glad Mack thumbed the game down and Jim Sterling's stance on micro-transactions means games that have them are void for his GOTY lists. There are many games with the right price points and no micro-transactions and it's actually used as PR when a game has free DLC or a reasonable price now! (The Witcher 3). this is becoming far too common with AAA games and should be spoken out against by everyone; fans, youtubers, reviewers, media etc... at every opportunity and for every game that has such a disgusting system people like you don't help. The Roll-over-and-take-it type
+Kevin Wilson okay hero lets see how thumbing down actually changes business practices for most of the gaming industry. Listen I agree with your objections but I'm a realist. Plus also I not really bothered by things that do not impact my gaming experience. When you buy a car if you want the leather seats and climate control air con. You gonna pay more than basic seats and a fan heater. If i think a game (destiny) is incomplete at launch then i wait and guy GOTY edition instead.
We see a deadly sin from every publisher, in every game, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night.
tattoodrdoke "When you buy a car if you want the leather seats and climate control air con. You gonna pay more than basic seats and a fan heater" I don't see what this has to do with Micro-transactions or the "Augment your preorder" debacle that Square Enix is being roundly criticised for right now? Your analogy means you get what you pay for, quality costs money, we all get that. However, the Micro-transactions in this game and pre-order shite brought zero value to the game, this isn't a huge DLC expansion to the game adding actual value, (I have no problem with MOST DLC or F2P prices in games) It's a disgusting micro-transaction in a full price game! No doubt some kids will convince their parents to fork out for a few of these packs. And that's who I feel sorry for! that is why I will criticise it, because it's the parents that are getting fucked and it will only get worse if everyone took your attitude.
The seeing through walls actually makes sense in this game though, given Adam's augs. I'm sure the first game had this too? I can't really remember. It doesn't make sense in other games like the last of us etc. but in this game it actually does.
what do you know, a critically acclaimed AAA game that he once again doesn't find worth a buy but it seems like ever random ass indie game he reviews is so great. I literally don't understand this dude lol
Nothing much wrong with the game if you bothered to watch the review, would have been thumbs up all day had it not been for the sheer greed and exploitation shown by the devs. Oh and I thumbed up F1 2016 earlier this week which was another AAA game.
I trust Mack more than any other critic, and that he feels that its not worth a buy because of micro transactions is his prerogative. I'm still going to get it because I actually unlike you WATCHED THE REVIEW and understood the context. The game looks like what I want out of a Deus Ex game. So learn to understand context and just don't look at scores or thumbs or whatever the fuck. Also I'm tired of people putting "lol" after everything when they have not said a damn thing funny.
+LordKellthe1st I just watched it all, and he was mocking people like me but you don't have to buy anything. I don't k ow why anyone would even care about microtransactions in a single player game, there's no point to play to win. He said he liked the game, then you fucking recommend it. He just nitpicks constantly
The micro DLC chop-shop bullshit killed it for me :/ The fact that they are even trying it with games like Final Fantasy makes me both sad and upset at the same time. I want a complete game when I buy it.
Omg Mack.. Look at that fucking minimap, there's your x-ray augment right there?! It shows enemies movement and where exactly they are. Why you're standing in that corner waiting for an enemy to come up, there's no tension at all when you just look at the minimap. Game-breaking feature, it's why i also quit playing farcry 3 after 15 minutes, where the map showed every item you could find in the world. And just like with your farcry review, you didn't mention it here :(
I have been a fan of the Deus Ex series ever since the original. I even enjoyed the admittedly rather flawed second game, Invisible War. Both Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are amazing games. I recommend them without reservation. All in all, they really managed to maintain the legacy of the original game. The one criticism I might mention is that, while these games do offer the classic multi-path approach in which you can choose your preferred way to handle challenges, they definitely seem to reward you more for playing in a particular way. That way being, specifically, stealthy non-lethal combat while hacking everything in sight. Sure, you can bypass those guards instead of knocking them out, but then you miss out on the XP. Sure, you found a note giving you the password to the commander's computer, but you had best hack it anyway so that you get the XP. And going loud in combat, despite your cool arsenal, definitely leaves XP on the table. Since I happen to naturally prefer the style of gameplay that the games seem to want, I'm fine. However, I do think that it's a pity that different approaches don't have essentially the same reward in terms of XP.
Mac, I love your reviews. This being said, I just have a word of advice: you may want to accept the fact that micro transactions and season passes are now a part of the modern game model. Personally, I never indulge in that aspect of the game, but some people do, and if that enhances their game experience, then… So what? I'm just saying, before you have an aneurysm over this, maybe it's time to just accept it and move on. I'll go fuck myself now.
That's exactly how they want you to behave but if people stopped buying games with micro transactions they would stop putting them in the damn game. Can't you see it's getting worse, they are selling you the game bit by bit.
"if that enhances their game experience" Then they can go fuck a fish skeleton. Wanna know why? Because when the singular progression system of a videogame has the power to take more money from you, there is *no* incentive for the developers to make it fair for anyone who refuses to pay extra. *WHY would a designer take the time to make the levelling in a FPS-RPG balanced when they can be lazy with said balancing and be rewarded with microtransaction revenue from IDIOTS?* Dead Space 3 had it, MGSV had it and now an actual good game from a franchise with pedigree has it. This phenomenon is LITERAL cancer and for once, I'm with Mack 100 fucking percent on the issue. Let me spell it out to all developers: I. DON'T. TRUST. YOU. If a retail-priced singleplayer has ANY microtransactions in existence, I'm already assuming you WILL skew the systems to milk maximum cash from them. If you wouldn't, *why are they even fucking there?* To quote TotalBiscuit: "You used to put in a cheat code, now they want you to put in a credit card." If you defend this practice, go die from eating powdered glass. You are literally defending the hooligan who is pissing in everyone's swimming pool.
Please remember.... When we paid £30/$50/60 ten years ago for a game it was for exactly that. The WHOLE game. The issue we have nowadays is content is stripped off the full game and sold as an addition. It's horrendous and is purely an exercise in greed. If they want to release additional content, release expansion packs where there was actual decent content worth getting. Not this DLC 5 or 6 out of 10 rated crap.
+Worth A Buy not sure if you read my follow up post, but this is exactly what I was saying, so I agree with you...I disagree with trashing an entire title (which is fantastic BTW) over optional DLC, however.
Mack here's the thing. Back in our time we had to buy magazines that had the cheat codes and special moves. Now is just in game, basically bypassing the magazine xD
Baldurs Gate 1998 - Go to some ones place, and steel something. You are fcked. Gothic 1 & 2 2001 - Take stuff from places that don't belong to you. You're in a world of hurt. Deus Ex 2016 - Loot every thing, who fcking cares. Come visit Me, and take my 60" screen, I don't care. I even help you transporting it. Video gaming does not progress, in the contrary its getting worse every single year. Quality is dead, shit is king.
I don't see microtransactions spoiling this game in as much it doesn't appear to make the game a lesser experience if you ignore them. But I do see the problem if this becomes common. Microtransactions are for freemium games, and don't have a place in a £40 game that's for sure. The actual game developers doing the coding are a decent crowd, but remember they're under the cosh of a big business and industry looking to make as much cash as possible from us. Do you really think they actually care about gamers? They care about making money foremost. If this shit becomes the norm in AAA titles then overtime they will surely be abused by companies to make microtransactions a near requirement of playing on top of the already hefty ticket price. I guess in reality we're halfway there, so much DLC in games today is trash; they already prey on completionist fans that 'must' buy them all.
damn mack i came back to this and this is NOT worth a buy, the story is so cheap and it takes place in 1 city. for anyone who played the globe trotting adventure of deus ex 1 this is a joke.
Excellent work, Mack! I totally support you, that shit like microtransactions should not be tolerated and you are absolutely right about people who support it or say that it does not matter - as long as the majority keeps supporting it - microtransactions, pre-orders, day one patches - we will be seeing more and more of this shit. Why bother with QA when everyone kinda expect the game to be broken on release, why not grab some money off microtransactions if everyone is okay with it, why bother with polishing the game if you can release it now and patch it later etc etc. As for me - I want to play it, but since developers dont want to give me 100% of the game for the full price I will buy GOTY edition in a year at the price of "pay-us-at-least-something"
+Worth A Buy to be fair thumbing it down because something is in the game that you don't have to use is ridiculous and anyone that says the same is making a valid point, and I've never played one of these games so no one can say fan boy
How does this compare to the original in terms of non-lethal options and tons fo ways to approach each mission? Can you play as a stealthy hacker/tech type bypassing turrets, cameras and robots? Or is it really combat heavy? I really liked how in the original you could potentially kill anyone, yet the game would still go on and adapt to what had happened - anything like that in this?
I bought this on a sale with DLCs for not much moolah. I love this game but I do agree that if there were DLCs etc at the start, I'd have avoided it. Saying that, I'm running customized high settings with average 80fps. I'm using a 10606gb with a ryzen 5600x, 32gb of RAM and an AOC gaming monitor with gsync enabled. It runs smoothly for me. I'm playing on mouse and keyboard and like the controls, graphics, voice overs etc. Even if the characters look like Thunderbirds at times lol. Maybe I'm playing the game after it's been patched though as I bought into it later. Unless it's a classic game, I won't buy PC games new if they are being released on consoles at the same time. Wait a couple of years and buy on a sale. The PC has enough great titles for me to game through while waiting for this cycle to turn in my favour for newer games
Hahaa, Holy shit... You are the reason why I click play and scroll down to the comments. You totally fuq'd his shit up. Bravo man... You must be Mack's cousin. Day of Sex is brilliant man.
Damn, that takes balls to thumb it down for microtransactions. Most critics now just shrug their shoulders, I wish they were more like you. Cheers, Mack, can't wait for the next review!
I totally agree Mack, if a AAA full-priced $60 dollar game has a micro-transaction, its a complete bullshit, people don't see the bigger picture, if we let this kind of bullshit run loose, it will be socially accepted, the future of gaming industry will be grim
At least they didn't tack on a pvp, progression-based, kill-streak enabling, case unlocking multiplayer mode. But it's a shame that the infectious corporate aspect is starting to impact this series, because I ADORE it, especially the first. That said, Human Revolution had some of the same problems Mankind Divided has......which is also a shame.
I'm having a blast playing through it. All I can hope for at this point is that when they inevitably release DLC, that it won't be trash. I hope you get some seriously good gameplay, story, weapons and mechanics, but at this point I'm not holding my breath. For DLC I want to see an entire new city to explore with a whole side story to go through. It'll be the same old song and dance though, I bet for 15 bucks you get a SINGLE mission, or another 9.99 you'll get some fancy golden AK-47, and for 7.99 you can get new sunglasses and a duster.
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with the X-RAY vision. Even the very first Deus Ex had sonar vision that allowed you to see enemies through walls, so it's not really new in the franchise ;)
Like the old saying goes fools and their money can easily be parted, that rings very true when it comes to micro transactions, to pay for a game and then avoid having to play it by paying extra to skip through it to the end defies the point of buying the game in the first place. It's like buying a movie on DVD and paying extra to have the privilege of not having to watch it.
I have a weird relationship with deus ex. I remember human revolution and start playing. I go hard and play it pretty far through in just a couple days~weeks, then life kicks in, I can't play for a little while, and I forget about it. A couple years down the line, the cycle repeats. I didn't get mankind divided on release; I just started playing human revolution again, and forgot all about deus ex again. We're 3 years down the line now. I just got Deus Ex GOTY and mankind divided + all DLC for 10eu total. Fucking amazing value.
just one thing. please dont tell i am not a gamer if i disagree, even if i really dont, but i dont really have a choice, nor did the developers. you think they put it in there to ruin the game, or because SQUARE told them to? BOYCOTT SQUARE, not the devs. also i played deus ex HR on a 360 when i was 14 and i absolutely loved every second, bite me.
The mouselook support on this game is ridiculous, I'd say wait a few months for a patch if you care about getting a really good first experience. Mouse acceleration is permanently enabled, and the lowest sensitivity is only good enough for most people if you're using 400DPI, it's pretty archaic. Personally, if the sensitivity slider goes down far enough I prefer using 20cm/360 at 6,000DPI, it makes mouselook silky smooth. Most people use a lower turning rate, sometimes upwards of 80cm/360 so they're using the same in game sensitivity as I am only with a 1,600DPI mouse, and in either case the lowest in game sensitivity in Mankind Divided is not nearly low enough.
I'm playing the game without xray vision and third person (I never even use the F key) and the game is fine. I wish the game had been balanced better and not had these features, but this is honestly the only high-production stealth game we're going to get this year, so... yeah. I'm enjoying it just on those grounds.
I love the game for what it is. But I do agree that this DLC shit is unacceptable and should not be rewarded with a purchase. I just wish Square weren't so scummy because the game itself is damn good. P.S. The mouse acceleration you felt is because the game doesn't have a mouse sensitivity slider, it's actually a mouse acceleration slider! Try putting it to 0, you will immediately understand what I mean! Greets from a patreon supporter :)
Just watched Jim Sterling's video on this and found this bit of info out. The micro-transactions in the game were grayed out on review copies. None of the reviewers were aware you could just buy praxis points in the campaign. That feature was unlocked on launch day. Talk about uber shady practices.
I actually had a different experience with the stealing. I stole a credit chip and the guy gave a warning. Second chip I stole, turned the area into a restricted area and all his buddies started staring at me all funny.
Microtransactions violate the principle of a complete game on purchase. Sadly, they're not going away anytime soon. I try to look past them because there's only so many decent games in a given year and I don't intend on depriving myself of a good experience just because of one bad thing that greedy corporations put in that I can ignore.
"This time it didn't ruin the product guys so its ok"/sigh No this time it seems to not be too much of an issue. In the future it will be, and they will be abusing it left and right until you don't even know how much you should be paying to play it the way it was intended anymore. Hey though this one time when they were just testing the waters you supported it so I'm sure you wont mind when they dive in headfirst.
I didn't realise this one had nickel and dining in it. I mean I don't mind paying for little cosmetic changes, like ship skins, maybe things like different jackets but paying for extra progression, that's a new low taken from mobile games. Man what a shame.
Well, Square Enix and many other companies have been doing booster DLCs for years. Same principle as microtransactions, buying advantage within a game, now they just went one step further. There's nothing really can be done about it. At least the game is actually good, right?
Mack I think you're the only reviewer who actually acknowledged the fact that micro transactions are bullshit in your review of the game. And for that I love you!
I don't get the hate towards third person camera. I mean, if you have a personal preference towards playing in first person, then coolio. But it's not like it's that bad. Microtransactions, though? Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.
Why did I ever think micro-transactions were acceptable?I even trashed Mack in a comment!I have now deleted my bullshit comment because I was making a fucking fool of myself for defending this piece of shit business model.You are awesome,Mack!You opened my eyes to what's good and what's bad in a game.
I can't identify with you on the optimization part. Perhaps because I've bought the game 1 year after it came out and yes, the game struggles hard in Max Settings at 4K to keep 50-55 FPS and it could be better, but they might have updated the game and managed to improve it's stability. The game still drops some FPS every once in a while, obviously loading some effects and other stuff and it could be much better and stable, but I average 50-55 FPS in 4K.
HI,
As an old gamer who's been gaming since 1986 I personally developed a standard Modus operandi regarding buying games:
1. Never (ever) preorder a game no matter what you've been told, heard or seen.
2. Never buy a game Day 1.
3. Always check independant reviews/gameplay on the game BEFORE buying any game.
4. If you have the patience: wait +/- a year after release then buy the game at -70% on sale + all DLCs.
YES finally a sensible human
I do all of those accept waiting a year
I took your advice and bought the game on the Steam Summer Sale for 6 dollars. Which also includes the season pass. My game crashes in Prague though when on DX 12. My system is more than capable. I get 120+ fps with very high settings.
Terra Nigma is the game good in your opinion?
@@adamothman1124 I think it's a great game. It really depends. If you liked Human Revolution or Immersive Sims in general you will like it. The gameplay is better than Human Revolution but story and atmosphere are a little worse.
Games are being sliced up and sold to us bit by bit through DLC and Micro transactions and the more we buy the more they slice up and sell us, STOP BUYING IT FFS!
DLC had so much potential for developers to give us more frequent content, extra units in RTS games etc, contact with the community, LOADS of potential but it's just used to fuck us all up the arse from day one, it's bullshit. You wait for a game hyped to fuck... it pops on the store half finished and yup there it is... that fucking £40 season pass or some elite rifle for £3.99 or other bullshit. I'm glad I got to see gaming before this garbage... I'd never know any different. I feel bad for gamers that think this is how it's always been.
It's right there in the name..
The words, the words..
Mankind DIVIDED.
The game is DIVIDED into sellable pieces.
Stop buying the micro transactions... buy the game because its awesome.
"you don't have to buy them". "i can afford it". It's consumers who say these things that make this type of business model so acceptable to developers these days. Remember back when you paid for a game and it was complete? When did buying an incomplete game then buying the remaining pieces become okay?
Who said this is incomplete game ? This is a fully complete game with about 30 hrs play time.. Do you know what the micro transactions are for ? they are for in-game money. eg gta online.. There are no pieces here. As i said no content of the game is hidden behind the microtransaction
You’re the only reviewer I’ve seen to mention the microtransactions, thank you!
Yeah, no one has mention them in their reviews which is fucking bull shit to be honest.
they haven't mentioned them because who actually uses microtransactions in a single player game?
+sweatyteddytaco I bet someone does. And still it should be mention if it's in the game.
Microtransactions are a negative to a game. I think devs did not allow the paid reviews to mention them.
Like PC reviews not mentioning 30FPS cutscenes that pulls you out from an amazing smooth experience to a stuttery blurry mess in a Fully priced Seasoned Passed Micro Infested cashgrab of a cheap game.
Who cares it's a single player game how will u even notice if someone else uses it
Game about dystopian corporatist future with in-game microtransaction features...
fucking meta
Advertisements mid-game.
Gameception.
art imitates life
Hahah never thought of that
dlc wallet divided
xd
yandere len. the mankind divided trump of america
Ok this comment is kinda brilliant....
Mack, why don't do you do a series where you recommend older games? Maybe not even one WAB per game, but a few in one?
How better to show modern AAA is shit, but showing how the old boys did it better. It's the sort of thing that sparks "renaissance" in an industry- if not from the top then certainly the new blood. (Sort of like how Shovel Knight took the best bits of old platformers).
Definitely. Thanks to Mack I’ve picked up the settlers 3 again and spent a lot of hours on it!
In it's defense even the first Deus Ex with JC Denton had X-ray vision. Makes sense in this context.
it does. He just does not want to play with it that's all.
No. That is not all. He's beyond reason. It makes sense in the game. It is optional. It's an option that's not required. Yet he acts like it's not.
In light of games like Batman Arkham and Shadow of Mordor- it strips difficulty. How early could you get X-ray in the old and new game, and how much does it show?
Perhaps Mack felt it showed too much and made it too easy compared to the point in the game you can first get it?
Yeah but I’m the original you had to work your freakin ARSE off to get the X-ray vision. And you wouldn’t get it till near the end of the game, so it feels earned. Here you can buy it with your Visa card and completely waltz through the game with no challenge whatsoever. So I’m with Mack, it is a fucking joke.
We need to start a petition to end micro transactions.
Or just stop buying games that do. I'm waiting on the pirated release or at best G2A
Petitions don't do a damn thing. No one cares how much you complain. They care about your money. Only after people stop buying all this shit, will things change.
+Topdamagewizard Support the pirates instead? Sounds like a good logic. No wonder why devs are releasing shitty badly optimised triple A games on pc. They are not focusing on pc because they know they will be robbed anyway.
What a shill of an excuse that is. Not focused on PC because of piracy? You say that as if console piracy isn't a thing, when the used game market, essentially sanctioned piracy, was robbing millions from these moron AAA developers. It certainly didn't stop them from still focusing on the console market. No. Piracy is just a convenient excuse some game makers use to justify their half-assed cash grabs (PC ports). There is no basis in fact to support their claims anyhow, and Valve already shoved a giant baby pacifier in the mouths of these whiny game publishers and devs when Steam essentially revived the PC game market with no excuses and no man-baby tears.
SpenzOT Console piracy isn't nearly as big as PC. Don't give me that shit. In our country, 95% pc gamers(cunts) play pirated games. Ps2 and Xbox 360 have hacks but but Ps4, Ps3 Xbox one hacks are not even available here. People can buy original console games from stores. I just showed an example. It's the same case in most of the countries. Mack mentioned this in Far Cry 4 review but he didn't mention it later on. Rockstar Games said in an interview that they wont be releasing Red Dead on pc because of the hackers.
Mack, you didnt use X-ray vision, but you had the minimap up the whole time? It shows you enemies and vision cones....
It's so depressing to see 99% of the population condoning micro transactions, day one dlc and just plain greed from developers. Taking an individual stand against then feels like a lost cause
The only ones we hear saying that's all successful are the people who make it. They wouldn't tell us if no one bought it now would they?
And never silence yourself. Always speak up. It encourages others who feel the same to join in.
Go to their forums and complain. Go to their social media accounts and complain. Go to all your online forums and message boards and complain. It breeds "memetic information" that spreads.
Never deny the world the power of your opinion.
Here's a thought; play the game, but don't give into the micro transactions. All of that stuff can be easily acquired in-game.
get a grip, obviously i am implying that ALOT of people condone micro transactions.
You just confirmed my suspicions. You don't seem to give a damn about the topic that was spoken of. You are one of those people who like to grind on grammar and other shit like that. Most likely so you can feel intellectually superior to 99% of the population ;)
And while I'm here, i'd just like to point out that when i use the word "population" i am obviously talking about the gaming population, not the entire world population. Anyway, its time for you to respond and pick out where i should have used a comma or spell check my text for me.
And after all this time we still don't how you feel about DLC and Micro transactions! You must be fun at dinner parties. Please do not expect another reply because your fixation on the terms i am using is giving me a migrane.
People who defend microtransactions don't understand scaling and second-order effects.
One player opting in or out is irrelevant. Hundreds of thousands of players spending millions of dollars supporting a system that rewards greed and ruins games is something else entirely. For better or worse, you'll get what you pay for.
One thing I love about these games and Ive finished all of them multiple times is that; I play the game like splinter cell, im incredibly stealthy and im aiming not to enter any combat at all. i dont even want to be discovered. but, as shown in your review, you can go through this game just semi stealth (or even guns blazing) and its just as rewarding, just as fun, and just as much of a challenge. And the game caters to this with the wide variety in overt and covert augments :)
You just saved me 100€ this month, Mack. Thanks dude. Do have a patreon or something ?
Check his description
you wanted to give those 100 bucks to mack? xD
not all of it :) but the least we can do is get the lad a beer once in a while, right ?
Kelev Ra lol haha ye
Jim Sterling just released another update. According to an inside source from Eidos, the micro transactions were forced on them by Square Enix. Eidos had no intentions for it, designed game as if they weren't there but at the end as they were finalizing bug fixes Square Enix made them add it.
***** yes, but is it usual that the publisher waits to the last second to tell the developer to add them, after the game was built to be played w/o them?
This is why I absolutely love Mack and his channel!! Bravo!
That's what I love about this game. It's amazingly customizable!
Mack I have not yet seen the video but I know you are Gorman bash it for things like third person and x ray vision
And I don't understand why you have such a strong preference for first person
Games are made to have fun too
Not always be 'hardcore' all the time
Yes I have played more FPS than TPS
But you gotta realize it's not just today that TPS games are appearing they have here for decades
And you just gotta accept the fact that third person games can be good(I know you like a few) but you also bash them for being third person
I bet you feel a bit of a fool after watching the video :p
+Worth A Buy I hope I do :D
So what?
+heriberthuber54 read the full thing
I was saying Mack needs to stop hating on every game for being third person
I don't see the need for him to do anything u want...Why should he?
Usually I agree with X-ray vision argument but it fits into the theme and story of this game so I don’t see your argument here. Love you videos max. Keep it up
This game has one really good thing, when you {TO READ THE REST OF THIS COMMENT PURCHASE THE DECRYPTION DLC FOR $15.99}
It's definitely worth a buy and all you need to do is ignore the microtransactions. I picked it up last year in a sale and am loving a second playthrough on Game+.
This game is a 9/10 in anyone's book and gets my thumbs up over Cyberpunk, for example, any day.
'I'm playing the game like every proper gamer should'
'I'm playing Deus Ex like Half Life'
...
zebroification *goes invisible* sure m8
ikr -.- meh I'm better than you because because some of the shit he says is beyond resonable glad to see people calling him out on it. And when's he even finally going to gamescon heen talking about it four years even I managed to go year before last with a few mates and we're casuals but I guess I'm just a fan boy cause I like destiny lol
For the record, the original (and best) Deus Ex was also on the Playstation 2.
that was harsh... You like the game, you enjoy playing the game. That is the most important thing. If someone wants to cheat - it is his/her choice
I've gotta say, Mack. I was honestly tempted to buy this game on the day it was released, but then I remembered that amidst all of the greed and paid reviewers, there's one beacon of hope and reason whom I can truly, honestly trust. It's you, Mack. I didn't buy it, even though I already counted the money on my bank account and did the calculations on whether I'd survive until the next rent if I did. I read reviews and reseached the subject but I just couldn't shake the paranoia; couldn't trust a single review I read.
I'm so, so very glad that I waited and saw your review of it. As the game stands right now, I'm not going to buy it for the price they're asking me to pay. Maybe after Steam's Christmas sales or something of the sort, but not now. It's honestly a huge shame because I started to play through Human Revolution and got halfway through, just to amp myself up for Mankind Divided. But lo and behold, they managed to ruin this game, too. Damn shame.
Once again, huge thanks. You've saved me, and no doubt countless others, a lot of money. Keep being great, Mr. Beacon of Reason. :)
Apparently I'm not a "real gamer". Only took 19 years to find out.
Me too.After 15 years of gaming he made me realize that I'm not a real gamer(whatever that means)and I'm a pussy for playing how I want.Apparently I'm a console peasant even tough I always played on PC,too.
the microtransactions in this game really demonstrate what Totalbiscuit was talking about when he said "I used to type in a cheat code, now I type in a credit card number". (paraphrasing).
I have never been so shocked by any of your reviews before this haha :D all them good things and it got thumbed down - I totally understand, just shows what corporate greed can do.
I've heard that the PC version has a mouse acceleration glitch.
Even on console I've noticed that when you climb a ledge your movement accelerates really fast for a split second, makes trying to move around a crowded room without been seen kinda awkward.
I think ill pick it up on sale.
Me too.
+Cristian Villavicencio me three! 😀
same
Except if everyone did as you did, we would have no big budget games... Certainly there would not be any sales.
"Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law without contradiction."
A buy at full price is a way to express that you fully support the game and want to see more like it. You aren't just buying the game, you're asking for a sequel.
+gvhagopia yeah mate not all of us are Kant or followers of that dude so I'm just going to buy it on sale.
Previous squabbles aside, I appreciate ya Mack. I only had a mild interest in this (because I don't buy brand new games), but I did take a look at some impressions and various reviews from major sites... Had I not seen a post on reddit talking about it, this video would've been the first and only thing I'd heard of the micro-transactions, which is flabbergasting because of how insulting they are in this case. To go through reviews/videos of over half a dozen of the biggest sites, and to not see a single word about it is frankly insane. What, was the button and store page completely hidden before the day 1 patch AND they're completely incapable of editing their articles after launch? You not only called them on their bullshit, but you where willing to tank the rating because of it. That's exactly what I would've done, and i really respect you for doing the same.
On a more technical side, thankfully even though it has Denuvo and in-game microtransactions, they didn't seem to really obfuscate the values for the things they are charging for among others, so for the time being Cheat Engine and trainers are working as usual and you can get around all these things. That's not to say that this won't change however... a quick transition to cloud-verified saves or even outright online-only DRM isn't outside of the realm of possibility. The real teller for me is going to be if they decide to take any action with patching after a bunch of RUclips videos and reddit threads pop up showing how to get infinite amounts of everything they're selling with seconds of effort... Though regardless unless they completely undo it all and say sorry, all the console players are out of luck. If they wanted people to experiment and have fun, good ol' cheat codes would've done that while deserving praise rather than the (hopefully) massive backlash to come...
I wish we had more games like the old deus ex or games like vampire the masquerade. Where are the TRUE PC rpgs nowadays?!
Fucking consoles, that's what happened!
+Cristian Villavicencio I don't think consoles have anything to do with it. I'm a console player and I'm playing divinity original sin and that shit is as old school as it gets. Classic CRPG running on a console and I'm having a blast. It's all up to the developer, if they wanna do a Bethesda or if they truly want to make a great game, it's up to them.
ZeroHxC07
Oh there are worse then bethesda, them supporting modding is actually a huge thing IMHO. Square Enix, EA,Activision, Ubisoft...the list can go on a lot longer. Nowadays these guys are pretty big and they make big piles of bantha piss which wasn't always the case.
I don't think it's consoles alone that are to blame but rather the consumer in general. I will NOT buy a game with microtransaction out of principle but others will and will even pay for the microtransactions showing devs/publishers hey: people want this shit.
Yet I have to say consoles are part of the problem. You can't make a game complicated for console gamers because they only have like what? 12 buttons? Other ways to make them complex are with depth of character development...which some devs no longer do.
Streamline is the word and I fucking despise it with all my might.
Vampire: Bloodlines is Brilliant....but yeah its old aswell so u have a Point.
+Cloudstar MacLeod I agree but streamlining is not always bad, it's just the evolution of thing before use to take 4 button presses now take 1. That is not the problem it's hat your said, it the lack of depth in the games themselves. It b cause current gamers want instant gratification, compare bf1 and verdun, same setting but they games are completely different. One is focused on realism and being careful and playing the game right. On the other hand bf1 is all about running around like a jackass. Guess witch game is gonna die first?
I actually bought this game thanks to you Mack, and I knew I wasn't going to regret something you reviewed positively.
I believe it is pronounced, DayUs Ex.
That's what I said Do Sex
+Worth A Buy lmao
Lel, you got trolled by Mack
correct
Deuce ex
I bought this on GOG over Cyberpunk and for a fun price of 6$. Winning.
Mack doesn't do cover or X-ray, but he does use the stealth invisibility where you can stand in front of an enemy and smash them in the face when they walk up to you... Hypocrite?
Yep!
Mack, I'll tell you, you make me laugh, really make me laugh all the time. I just watched this video, and I also laughed, but then I realized how much of a PC gamer you really are, and how much love you have for it. Am I offended that you feel the way you do about console jockeys? NO... not in the sense of it, but I do want you to realize something about us, and about me, really. I have specific reasons that i play console games, I grew up on them ever since Atari, and have never stopped and have never thrown my love away for them since then.. Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Super Nintendo.. I could go on but I think you get the point. There's nothing wrong with sitting in front of a television, controller in hand, and enjoying a game. That's what it's all about, at least for me. Just trying to throw some personal thought your way, we love ya, and we appreciate your reviews just the same as anyone else. I bought Deus Ex Mankind Divided on my PS4 yesterday, and am enjoying the hell out of it, Boy-o. Cheers to you, and whoever else who reads this :)
Your verdict makes no sense. The game isn't ruined at all by some optional microtransactions. Not-at-all. I paid 30 euros for my copy and have no need to even look at the microtransactions. Everything is fine. I appreciate the effort of the publisher and devs to make a product that I care about, which cost them tens of millions to make, and that I can grab for 30-60 euros. If some people wanna support the publisher for them to continue making games like these, I'm fine by that. It's kind of like buying a t-shirt from a youtuber to support them. It's optional.
fuckyea.
I'm buying the game because this simply won't affect my experience. I'm not taking up the political cause of others out of some sense of guilt they want me to feel. Paying for shortcuts is tacky. I wish they were just free cheat codes. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't care.
Certainly not everyone, but I've witnessed a lot of guilting over the years to do with just this sort of thing. I think you take a balanced approach and I appreciate that, but not everyone is so reasonable.
And thanks, I look forward to seeing how the thing turned out!
You just don't get it man, it's not about not needing it or ignoring it or wether or not it affected the experience. It is an objective suspect business practice. It is in their best interest to sell you more shit, and even if IN THIS CASE IT DIDNT AFFECT THE GAME you are supporting something that is opening you up for a good throat fucking later. So good luck with that.
The notion that this is a bad practice seems to rely on an appeal to tradition. They've adjusted their business model and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's down to the way you think about it and what your notions of fairness are.
Hows the balance? Doesn't matter they can buy skill points if they need em. Hows the economy? Does it matter they can buy gold/credits if they need them? Hows the progression? Well we're literally selling every indication of player progression does it really matter? ^where I see it going
But hey if you trust a company to be looking out for your wallet and not have their own best interests at heart that's cool I guess.
Personally I will never buy a 60$ single player experience where the first question I have to ask is "was this final product compromised by an attempt to get more money out of micro transactions." If a dev doesn't even respect the balance of their own "art" why should I.
I play the game like you, and I have been loving it. Also the item indicators off, because I want to find them myself, Not have the game basically tell me "Hey here's crafting parts here, hidden behind this crate!"
Bit harsh Mack. Of all the micro-transaction business models, pay-to-cheat (which is what this is) is surely the most benign. If you can't complete a game normally, on the easiest level or too stupid to learn how to crack a single-player game once you have completed it, let the devs make a little more from that incompetence/stupidity.
Mitigating this without transactions would mean fewer people would get to play the whole game, more frustration, bad reviews etc. from the people who are simply no good at games. Result; devs dumb-down the game ruining it for people like you and I.
A pure micro-transaction model would be pay-to-win (mitigating learning & skill), pay-to-access (base game, more content not accessible) or pay-to-play (timers) - all of which fundamentally alter the core experience for all players.
This model simply ensures that the base game is authentic enough for the 'hardcore' player and accessible enough for the 'casual' player (or perhaps disabled?). For the devs, the authenticity ensures they serve the long-time fanbase, the accessibility ensures that all players can play it through to the end without frustration and all of the content and experience they spent time crafting can be experienced by all.
Essentially they are monetising cheat codes. *shrug*
Having cheats for sale incentivizes companies to make games more unfair in order to get people to buy the cheats.
It is quite likely that they don't give out as many perk-points as they would've without the shop.
eddebrock okay, I agree it *could* incentivise developers to make games harder and potentially only winnable by buying "cheats".
Can you cite where this has happened? We're talking about a game so hard that you - or at least the vast majority of players - can only finish a game by cheating.
The thumbs down is definitly a bit harsh but the review explains his logic quite well. Mack still delivers some of the best reviews on RUclips.
I bought the game and my verdict is "get it during the Christmas sale" just because of the condition of mouselook, a few bugs, and the framerate issues.
At least Mack rebinds his keys.
I use RDFG for movement keys, Mack does TFGH and as far as I know he's the only reviewer on RUclips who actually uses non-standard keybinds.
That makes Mack different.
TotalBiscuit does talk about keybinds but I get the impression he usually plays on WASD, it can be hard to catch some of the problems that games have unless you re-bind every command in the game.
Mack also has some of the most relevant reviews on racing games, I appreciate that.
+Prashanna Ss
...That's weird, you're right that my comment isn't related to what Tr33fiddy said. I might have been reacting to other comments when I wrote that.
While I personally don't think the microtransactions in Deus Ex are a big deal, I'm fine if Mack makes a big fuss about it, the attitude is understandable.
Seeing these in what Totalbiscuit calls "the quintessential PC game" could be seen as a bit insulting, it has to do with the attitude of the publisher toward the franchise.
Are they treating it like a flagship title for the PC platform?
Mack is reacting to this game differently than he would any other because of the pedigree, you don't eat fast food in a classic Ferrari and you don't put microtransactions in a Deus Ex game.
People react to things differently depending on how much they care about the subject, this review just reflects how much Mack cares about the franchise.
I'm happy that the new era of immersive sims allows you to play similar to the classic stuff.
I played Dishonored without blinking and with tweaked AI and it felt a lot like Thief with worse levels. It's nice to know that DE:MD allows you to ignore certain gameplay elements and even more that Dishonored 2 allows you to choose to not even have powers.
YOUR TEARING ME APART SQUARE ENIX. WHY? MICROPAYMENTS + SEASON PASS?
It's breaking my heart!
+Cristian Villavicencio Oh hi cristian!
Oh hai mark
+Jonas Rosenven Not the fucking point.
It did not buy this I did NAUT, oh hi Mark.
"It's being raped, guys. It's being molested."
-Mack.
I think this game is fine how it is. The gaming industry is not gonna stop cash grabbing. Its like expecting politicians being honest. I think if the game isnt broken and incomplete then who cares. If your going to thumb down cash grab then you will like maybe 3 games a year. What gets my goat is unisoft kings of e3 with flush tech demo and then gamers are still confused when it looks like a child programmes and coded the game.
So we should all accept it and pipe down is what you;re saying? I'm glad Mack thumbed the game down and Jim Sterling's stance on micro-transactions means games that have them are void for his GOTY lists.
There are many games with the right price points and no micro-transactions and it's actually used as PR when a game has free DLC or a reasonable price now! (The Witcher 3). this is becoming far too common with AAA games and should be spoken out against by everyone; fans, youtubers, reviewers, media etc... at every opportunity and for every game that has such a disgusting system
people like you don't help. The Roll-over-and-take-it type
+Kevin Wilson okay hero lets see how thumbing down actually changes business practices for most of the gaming industry. Listen I agree with your objections but I'm a realist. Plus also I not really bothered by things that do not impact my gaming experience. When you buy a car if you want the leather seats and climate control air con. You gonna pay more than basic seats and a fan heater. If i think a game (destiny) is incomplete at launch then i wait and guy GOTY edition instead.
We see a deadly sin from every publisher, in every game, and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's trivial. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night.
tattoodrdoke "When you buy a car if you want the leather seats and climate control air con. You gonna pay more than basic seats and a fan heater"
I don't see what this has to do with Micro-transactions or the "Augment your preorder" debacle that Square Enix is being roundly criticised for right now? Your analogy means you get what you pay for, quality costs money, we all get that. However, the Micro-transactions in this game and pre-order shite brought zero value to the game, this isn't a huge DLC expansion to the game adding actual value, (I have no problem with MOST DLC or F2P prices in games) It's a disgusting micro-transaction in a full price game! No doubt some kids will convince their parents to fork out for a few of these packs. And that's who I feel sorry for! that is why I will criticise it, because it's the parents that are getting fucked and it will only get worse if everyone took your attitude.
+tattoodrdoke why would you pay for an incomplete car
The seeing through walls actually makes sense in this game though, given Adam's augs. I'm sure the first game had this too? I can't really remember. It doesn't make sense in other games like the last of us etc. but in this game it actually does.
what do you know, a critically acclaimed AAA game that he once again doesn't find worth a buy but it seems like ever random ass indie game he reviews is so great. I literally don't understand this dude lol
Nothing much wrong with the game if you bothered to watch the review, would have been thumbs up all day had it not been for the sheer greed and exploitation shown by the devs. Oh and I thumbed up F1 2016 earlier this week which was another AAA game.
Maybe you should start to listen and you'll understand him
I trust Mack more than any other critic, and that he feels that its not worth a buy because of micro transactions is his prerogative. I'm still going to get it because I actually unlike you WATCHED THE REVIEW and understood the context. The game looks like what I want out of a Deus Ex game. So learn to understand context and just don't look at scores or thumbs or whatever the fuck. Also I'm tired of people putting "lol" after everything when they have not said a damn thing funny.
+LordKellthe1st I just watched it all, and he was mocking people like me but you don't have to buy anything. I don't k ow why anyone would even care about microtransactions in a single player game, there's no point to play to win. He said he liked the game, then you fucking recommend it. He just nitpicks constantly
+Topdamagewizard it's funny because he's just coming off as a hipster deuce that hates everything... LOL
J.C. Denton approves of this rant at 7:23 . Well done Mack.
Jesus, "Duce Ex"?
* Do Sex
The micro DLC chop-shop bullshit killed it for me :/
The fact that they are even trying it with games like Final Fantasy makes me both sad and upset at the same time. I want a complete game when I buy it.
All games should release a mack edition, x-ray vision/cover system/3rd peron/micro transactions and DLC's.
Paid* Dlc's .
Called it, fucking loved the old do sex review Mack. You're the best reviewer, the only guy who will never sell out :) can't wait for more reviews :)
Omg Mack.. Look at that fucking minimap, there's your x-ray augment right there?! It shows enemies movement and where exactly they are. Why you're standing in that corner waiting for an enemy to come up, there's no tension at all when you just look at the minimap. Game-breaking feature, it's why i also quit playing farcry 3 after 15 minutes, where the map showed every item you could find in the world. And just like with your farcry review, you didn't mention it here :(
Yeah really thats worse than x ray because it takes your eyes off the game. At least x ray keeps you focused on whats is going on around you
I have been a fan of the Deus Ex series ever since the original. I even enjoyed the admittedly rather flawed second game, Invisible War.
Both Human Revolution and Mankind Divided are amazing games. I recommend them without reservation. All in all, they really managed to maintain the legacy of the original game.
The one criticism I might mention is that, while these games do offer the classic multi-path approach in which you can choose your preferred way to handle challenges, they definitely seem to reward you more for playing in a particular way. That way being, specifically, stealthy non-lethal combat while hacking everything in sight.
Sure, you can bypass those guards instead of knocking them out, but then you miss out on the XP.
Sure, you found a note giving you the password to the commander's computer, but you had best hack it anyway so that you get the XP.
And going loud in combat, despite your cool arsenal, definitely leaves XP on the table.
Since I happen to naturally prefer the style of gameplay that the games seem to want, I'm fine. However, I do think that it's a pity that different approaches don't have essentially the same reward in terms of XP.
Did you seriously just say Duce Ex?
Do Sex*
Did you seriously take that seriously? By the way it's pronounced do sex, idk if you got the memo bud.
+Canaan Stuart No, 'buddy'. He got the right memo. It's pronounced "Day uss ex"
Indranil Roy Chowdhury ^ This.
+Django Martinez LOL
Mack I really appreciate the bleeping of the curse words. This makes it easy to watch with my 2 year old daughter around.
don't like that takedown...black screen before animation bollox...breaks immersion
This has become my favorite game reviewer in all of youtube
Mac, I love your reviews. This being said, I just have a word of advice: you may want to accept the fact that micro transactions and season passes are now a part of the modern game model. Personally, I never indulge in that aspect of the game, but some people do, and if that enhances their game experience, then… So what? I'm just saying, before you have an aneurysm over this, maybe it's time to just accept it and move on. I'll go fuck myself now.
That's exactly how they want you to behave but if people stopped buying games with micro transactions they would stop putting them in the damn game. Can't you see it's getting worse, they are selling you the game bit by bit.
"if that enhances their game experience" Then they can go fuck a fish skeleton. Wanna know why? Because when the singular progression system of a videogame has the power to take more money from you, there is *no* incentive for the developers to make it fair for anyone who refuses to pay extra. *WHY would a designer take the time to make the levelling in a FPS-RPG balanced when they can be lazy with said balancing and be rewarded with microtransaction revenue from IDIOTS?*
Dead Space 3 had it, MGSV had it and now an actual good game from a franchise with pedigree has it. This phenomenon is LITERAL cancer and for once, I'm with Mack 100 fucking percent on the issue. Let me spell it out to all developers: I. DON'T. TRUST. YOU. If a retail-priced singleplayer has ANY microtransactions in existence, I'm already assuming you WILL skew the systems to milk maximum cash from them. If you wouldn't, *why are they even fucking there?*
To quote TotalBiscuit: "You used to put in a cheat code, now they want you to put in a credit card." If you defend this practice, go die from eating powdered glass. You are literally defending the hooligan who is pissing in everyone's swimming pool.
Mack you have to be a leader of a gaming company. i would trust your games
Please remember.... When we paid £30/$50/60 ten years ago for a game it was for exactly that. The WHOLE game. The issue we have nowadays is content is stripped off the full game and sold as an addition. It's horrendous and is purely an exercise in greed. If they want to release additional content, release expansion packs where there was actual decent content worth getting. Not this DLC 5 or 6 out of 10 rated crap.
+Worth A Buy not sure if you read my follow up post, but this is exactly what I was saying, so I agree with you...I disagree with trashing an entire title (which is fantastic BTW) over optional DLC, however.
Mack here's the thing. Back in our time we had to buy magazines that had the cheat codes and special moves. Now is just in game, basically bypassing the magazine xD
Baldurs Gate 1998 - Go to some ones place, and steel something. You are fcked.
Gothic 1 & 2 2001 - Take stuff from places that don't belong to you. You're in a world of hurt.
Deus Ex 2016 - Loot every thing, who fcking cares. Come visit Me, and take my 60" screen, I don't care. I even help you transporting it.
Video gaming does not progress, in the contrary its getting worse every single year. Quality is dead, shit is king.
Bethesda a bit ? You can't steal shit.
I don't see microtransactions spoiling this game in as much it doesn't appear to make the game a lesser experience if you ignore them.
But I do see the problem if this becomes common. Microtransactions are for freemium games, and don't have a place in a £40 game that's for sure. The actual game developers doing the coding are a decent crowd, but remember they're under the cosh of a big business and industry looking to make as much cash as possible from us. Do you really think they actually care about gamers? They care about making money foremost.
If this shit becomes the norm in AAA titles then overtime they will surely be abused by companies to make microtransactions a near requirement of playing on top of the already hefty ticket price. I guess in reality we're halfway there, so much DLC in games today is trash; they already prey on completionist fans that 'must' buy them all.
damn mack i came back to this and this is NOT worth a buy, the story is so cheap and it takes place in 1 city. for anyone who played the globe trotting adventure of deus ex 1 this is a joke.
Best game I've played Deus Ex 1
Excellent work, Mack! I totally support you, that shit like microtransactions should not be tolerated and you are absolutely right about people who support it or say that it does not matter - as long as the majority keeps supporting it - microtransactions, pre-orders, day one patches - we will be seeing more and more of this shit. Why bother with QA when everyone kinda expect the game to be broken on release, why not grab some money off microtransactions if everyone is okay with it, why bother with polishing the game if you can release it now and patch it later etc etc. As for me - I want to play it, but since developers dont want to give me 100% of the game for the full price I will buy GOTY edition in a year at the price of "pay-us-at-least-something"
What about those takedowns? Why does have to go to a black screen then it happens? Plus the animations themselves look hilariously bad
Yeah that sucks
No option to turn them off? I think there was one in the previous or game or I might be thinking of another game.
There was no option in Human Revolution.
+Worth A Buy to be fair thumbing it down because something is in the game that you don't have to use is ridiculous and anyone that says the same is making a valid point, and I've never played one of these games so no one can say fan boy
How does this compare to the original in terms of non-lethal options and tons fo ways to approach each mission? Can you play as a stealthy hacker/tech type bypassing turrets, cameras and robots? Or is it really combat heavy?
I really liked how in the original you could potentially kill anyone, yet the game would still go on and adapt to what had happened - anything like that in this?
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+Worth A Buy OHHH my god
+Worth A Buy I love your videos
I bought this on a sale with DLCs for not much moolah. I love this game but I do agree that if there were DLCs etc at the start, I'd have avoided it.
Saying that, I'm running customized high settings with average 80fps. I'm using a 10606gb with a ryzen 5600x, 32gb of RAM and an AOC gaming monitor with gsync enabled. It runs smoothly for me.
I'm playing on mouse and keyboard and like the controls, graphics, voice overs etc. Even if the characters look like Thunderbirds at times lol.
Maybe I'm playing the game after it's been patched though as I bought into it later.
Unless it's a classic game, I won't buy PC games new if they are being released on consoles at the same time. Wait a couple of years and buy on a sale. The PC has enough great titles for me to game through while waiting for this cycle to turn in my favour for newer games
Dude it's Deus Ex not Duece Ex. Pronounced Day-us Ex. If your going to review a game at least pronounce it correctly. Just saying.
he was just making fun with the name.
Day of Sex?
You're not bright are you?
Hahaa, Holy shit... You are the reason why I click play and scroll down to the comments. You totally fuq'd his shit up. Bravo man... You must be Mack's cousin. Day of Sex is brilliant man.
He does that with half his reviews. He always makes fun of the names lol
Damn, that takes balls to thumb it down for microtransactions. Most critics now just shrug their shoulders, I wish they were more like you. Cheers, Mack, can't wait for the next review!
Remember horse armor? Everyone were raging when that happened but now it's not only normal but is expected.
Where did it all go so wrong?
I totally agree Mack, if a AAA full-priced $60 dollar game has a micro-transaction, its a complete bullshit, people don't see the bigger picture, if we let this kind of bullshit run loose, it will be socially accepted, the future of gaming industry will be grim
At least they didn't tack on a pvp, progression-based, kill-streak enabling, case unlocking multiplayer mode. But it's a shame that the infectious corporate aspect is starting to impact this series, because I ADORE it, especially the first. That said, Human Revolution had some of the same problems Mankind Divided has......which is also a shame.
I'm having a blast playing through it. All I can hope for at this point is that when they inevitably release DLC, that it won't be trash. I hope you get some seriously good gameplay, story, weapons and mechanics, but at this point I'm not holding my breath. For DLC I want to see an entire new city to explore with a whole side story to go through. It'll be the same old song and dance though, I bet for 15 bucks you get a SINGLE mission, or another 9.99 you'll get some fancy golden AK-47, and for 7.99 you can get new sunglasses and a duster.
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with the X-RAY vision. Even the very first Deus Ex had sonar vision that allowed you to see enemies through walls, so it's not really new in the franchise ;)
>Seems steam reviews
>See's Worthabuy video
>Smiles sadistically
that xray vision foreshadowing at the beginning lol
Like the old saying goes fools and their money can easily be parted, that rings very true when it comes to micro transactions, to pay for a game and then avoid having to play it by paying extra to skip through it to the end defies the point of buying the game in the first place. It's like buying a movie on DVD and paying extra to have the privilege of not having to watch it.
I have a weird relationship with deus ex. I remember human revolution and start playing. I go hard and play it pretty far through in just a couple days~weeks, then life kicks in, I can't play for a little while, and I forget about it. A couple years down the line, the cycle repeats. I didn't get mankind divided on release; I just started playing human revolution again, and forgot all about deus ex again.
We're 3 years down the line now. I just got Deus Ex GOTY and mankind divided + all DLC for 10eu total. Fucking amazing value.
Mackhas dropped the hammer of justice
just one thing. please dont tell i am not a gamer if i disagree, even if i really dont, but i dont really have a choice, nor did the developers. you think they put it in there to ruin the game, or because SQUARE told them to?
BOYCOTT SQUARE, not the devs.
also i played deus ex HR on a 360 when i was 14 and i absolutely loved every second, bite me.
The mouselook support on this game is ridiculous, I'd say wait a few months for a patch if you care about getting a really good first experience.
Mouse acceleration is permanently enabled, and the lowest sensitivity is only good enough for most people if you're using 400DPI, it's pretty archaic.
Personally, if the sensitivity slider goes down far enough I prefer using 20cm/360 at 6,000DPI, it makes mouselook silky smooth.
Most people use a lower turning rate, sometimes upwards of 80cm/360 so they're using the same in game sensitivity as I am only with a 1,600DPI mouse, and in either case the lowest in game sensitivity in Mankind Divided is not nearly low enough.
I'm playing the game without xray vision and third person (I never even use the F key) and the game is fine.
I wish the game had been balanced better and not had these features, but this is honestly the only high-production stealth game we're going to get this year, so... yeah. I'm enjoying it just on those grounds.
I love the game for what it is. But I do agree that this DLC shit is unacceptable and should not be rewarded with a purchase.
I just wish Square weren't so scummy because the game itself is damn good.
P.S. The mouse acceleration you felt is because the game doesn't have a mouse sensitivity slider, it's actually a mouse acceleration slider! Try putting it to 0, you will immediately understand what I mean! Greets from a patreon supporter :)
Just watched Jim Sterling's video on this and found this bit of info out. The micro-transactions in the game were grayed out on review copies. None of the reviewers were aware you could just buy praxis points in the campaign. That feature was unlocked on launch day. Talk about uber shady practices.
I actually had a different experience with the stealing. I stole a credit chip and the guy gave a warning. Second chip I stole, turned the area into a restricted area and all his buddies started staring at me all funny.
Microtransactions violate the principle of a complete game on purchase. Sadly, they're not going away anytime soon. I try to look past them because there's only so many decent games in a given year and I don't intend on depriving myself of a good experience just because of one bad thing that greedy corporations put in that I can ignore.
I think we have lost Mac to WoW Legion... I dont blame him at all... It sounds like the best Wow expansion in quite some time
Your videos brighten my day Mack.
"This time it didn't ruin the product guys so its ok"/sigh
No this time it seems to not be too much of an issue. In the future it will be, and they will be abusing it left and right until you don't even know how much you should be paying to play it the way it was intended anymore. Hey though this one time when they were just testing the waters you supported it so I'm sure you wont mind when they dive in headfirst.
You're one of the funniest people that i've taken the time to listen to and now i cant stop watching your videos xD
And your reviews are actually worth a damn!
I didn't realise this one had nickel and dining in it. I mean I don't mind paying for little cosmetic changes, like ship skins, maybe things like different jackets but paying for extra progression, that's a new low taken from mobile games. Man what a shame.
Well, Square Enix and many other companies have been doing booster DLCs for years. Same principle as microtransactions, buying advantage within a game, now they just went one step further. There's nothing really can be done about it. At least the game is actually good, right?
Mack I think you're the only reviewer who actually acknowledged the fact that micro transactions are bullshit in your review of the game. And for that I love you!
I don't get the hate towards third person camera. I mean, if you have a personal preference towards playing in first person, then coolio. But it's not like it's that bad.
Microtransactions, though? Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.
i got hooked on Deus Ex when it first came out in in 2000. I played it on a Pentium 2 350 with 128 of ram with a 13 gb hard drive.
Congrats on 110k Mack! You deserve it! Another good review! Prepare for your channel to blow up
Why did I ever think micro-transactions were acceptable?I even trashed Mack in a comment!I have now deleted my bullshit comment because I was making a fucking fool of myself for defending this piece of shit business model.You are awesome,Mack!You opened my eyes to what's good and what's bad in a game.
Wasn't this the same game that had that preorder scandal in which they would essentially sell pieces of the game unless people preordered enough?
The game uses diffuse lighting which is not really compatible with MSAA. An alternative AA should be used with this game if you want good frame rates.
I can't identify with you on the optimization part. Perhaps because I've bought the game 1 year after it came out and yes, the game struggles hard in Max Settings at 4K to keep 50-55 FPS and it could be better, but they might have updated the game and managed to improve it's stability. The game still drops some FPS every once in a while, obviously loading some effects and other stuff and it could be much better and stable, but I average 50-55 FPS in 4K.
Again, I am never disappointed with your reviews. I usually look at your reviews first to see if it is a buy :) Keep up the great work. Thanks again